Thank you to Carol Slater for the information she found about Joseph Archdale and his family - namely the family of William Drabble Botham. Arising out of your information I have a question or two: Is the 1861 census not available? I've seen one or two suggestions on websites I've been on, that it is still being indexed - or something! In the 1871 information you sent concerning my GGrandfather WDBotham and his family on the 1871 census, one of the members of the family is given as H K Botham - under 1 month. I know that one of my grandfather's brother was born in 1871, but his intials weren't HK. Is this an abbreviation that the census takers used? - or are those letters meant to be the initials of the baby? I find it interesting that they named two daughters almost the same name: Mary and Maria. The 1891 entry for Sarah Elliott Turner shows her as 55 - (born ca. 1836), whereas in 1851 Maria is 18 (born ca. 1833) and Mary is age 15 (born ca. 1836). I don't imagine that anything you have seen can clarify that? The born "Brompton" entry is puzzling, because like you said, the Elliott middle name is a very strong indication that she was one of the daughters. (Elliott is also one of my middle names!). I will try to find an Archdale-Turner marriage somewhere, to try to clear it up - but seeing as how she isn't part of my direct line, this isn't a top priority item - maybe level two priority!! I also notice that Mary Elliott Deardon is 35 in 1871 (birth ca.1836), but 40 in 1881 (birth ca.1841) Lastly, you have offered to provide me with the information you've found on the 1881, 1891, and 1901 censuses. I would appreciate that if it's not too much trouble. Before I close I would also like to take this opportunity to offer my gratitude to Judy Elkington to her interesting and very illuminating quotation concerning the history and geography of Ecclesall Bierlow and Heeley. Just one question, several "<BR>" codes appear in the text describing Ecclesall Bierlow. Can you tell me what these mean? Once again, thank you very much. The information thatt you ladies have provided is invaluable to me! Peter Botham Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada