In a message dated 07/07/2007 04:02:34 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Ann married John Charles OLDALE in 1920 in Eccelsall Bierlow. At this stage I don't know if either had been married previously. Hi As you know the marriage date you could send for one. This would tell you if they were married before and fathers names and jobs of both parties. If they were under 21 then I will give you their age so that you can look up their births, Sometime certificates say of full age [over 21] or if you are lucky they give the age over 21. You can obtain one on line costing £7. which is the current rate from _http://www.col.statistics.gov.uk/login.asp_ (http://www.col.statistics.gov.uk/login.asp) All you need is the year, place, quarter, volume and page number which in your case is 1920 - Ecclesall B. -Dec - 9c - 742. It usually takes about 7 to 14 days. You do not need to give parents names or even spouse on the form. Regards JUDY ELKINGTON [email protected] www.elkingtonfamily.com www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html