Hi Alan, After spending some time on this problem last night I decided to sleep on it and have another go this morning. I agree with Hugh and his findings and had just decided they were a Catholic family most probably. Peter Holland is listed as being from Ireland on the 1881 census and Mary on the 1891 census. Was Emiline the child born in 1883 in Hunslet, Leeds. She was in the Workhouse with her mother in 1891. Don't know if your aware of this site for Leeds....... http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ Another child who was with her Holland grandparents in 1881 is an Amelia Ball (looks like Bell could this be why we are not finding Mary Ann's death registration.) Amelia is aged 14 and a servant with the Smithers family at Broomhill in 1891. I was amazed to see the large number of woman classed at Lunatics at the Sheffield Union Workhouse at Pitsmore. I had always thought they would have been at Middlewood and therefore buried at Wadsley Parish Church. Where would inmates as they were called have been buried who were from the Union. I have tried the ones on our site "Sheffield Indexers" I had thought probably Burngreave but I am sure we are well into the 1890's so thought she would show up. I wonder if she is listed as Bell. Well that's my added jottings from last night. Hope this helps. We do so luv a challenge. LOL. Elaine Pickard Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. www.SheffieldIndexers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 29, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > After years of searching for my great grandmother's death between 1885 and > 1889 I have found medical records from her son's death in 1915 in Canada > which indicate she died in an asylum in Yorkshire. It would seem the > family story was a cover-up. > A friend sent me a page from the 1891 census on which she appears as Mary > Ann Ball, widow, 41 years of age, lunatic, in an institution in Sheffield. > The name and dates fit exactly. But still no death matches on the Free > BMD. > My first question is; what institution? > My second question relates to the possibility that there was a cemetery > used for the asylum where records might still be available? > I would appreciate any help or suggestions as I try to locate her death. > > Her married name was Mary Ann Ball. She was born Mary Ann Holland in > Sheffield, September 19, 1849. She was living in Hunslet, Leeds, with > husband and children and the last record of her there was in 1883 on the > birth of a child. Her husband, James Ball, died there in 1889. The record > I located in Canada gives her death age at 42 (if it's reliable). Her > parents, Peter and Mary Holland were living in Sheffield - Ecclesall > Bierlow - at the time she would have been in an institution there. > > Thanks for any comments, > Alan > Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message