Hugh Waterhouse Yes, they were a Catholic family Hugh. I have the marriage cert. for Mary Malone and Peter Holland, 28 Oct. 1848. Strange part is Mary Ann Holland was married to James Ball in Sheffield at St. John's Church, C of E, 21 Aug. 1870. Probably James Ball b.Nottingham c1825 was Protestant. Their children were all Catholic - except for their son James Jr. (my grandfather) who change to Protestant while in the Highland light Infantry. That led to the usual confusion among descendants wondering how the family split religions. Thank you for the link to http://www.sheffieldindexers.com I hope it will help me find other Baptisms as well as figure out what happened to Mary and Peter Holland. Mary Malone and Peter Holland were married "at the Catholic Chapel in the district of Ecclesall Bierlow Union by Matthew Hananagh RC". Would you know if that church is the same as the St. Mary's where you indicated Mary Ann Ball was Baptised? Again, thanks for the help Hugh, fascinating stuff. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Waterhouse" <dalum@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "list sheffield" <eng-sheffield-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > The 1891 census page is from Sheffield Union, though she could have spent > time at Wadsley Asylum. I think there's some wishful thinking with the > age. > It may begin with '4' but the second digit is just about completely > obliterated by later marks. (Piece: 3836; Folio 137; Page 33) > > This is a Catholic family: > > Holland, Mary Ann (of ~, born 1849-09-19). > Baptised September 23, 1849, by William Parsons at St Maries RC Church, > Sheffield Centre. > Parents name(s) are Mary Malone & Peter (~). > ( from http://www.sheffieldindexers.com ) > > I think her parents are also listed in burials on that site, buried in the > Catholic section of City Road. If so, her mother died in Sheffield Union > in > 1895. Another HOLLAND (brother?) died in the Asylum in 1890. > > Can't see a burial for Mary Ann at the moment. > > Hugh > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> Mary Malone and Peter Holland were married "at the Catholic Chapel in the > district of Ecclesall Bierlow Union by Matthew Hananagh RC". Would you > know > if that church is the same as the St. Mary's where you indicated Mary Ann > Ball was Baptised? Although the baptism is in the St Marie's transcription it can't have taken place in the church itself which was not completed until 1850. It was preceded on the same site by a chapel, but this must have been demolished before work started on St Marie's in 1847, and it was not in Ecclesall Bierlow. Some information in an 1848 Directory sheds light on this: "Until the completion of this church the Roman Catholics of Sheffiield worship in Mount Tabor Chapel, in Rockingham street, which was built by the Aikenite Methodists, and had been some time unoccupied. The Revs. Matthew Kavanagh, and Michael Henry Smith are the priests." It seems that the building was on the corner of Rockingham Street and Wellington Street and was later used as part of a printing business as 37 Wellington street. It was demolished in the 1960's. The marriage certificate suggests that this location was in Ecclesall Bierlow though I can't immediately confirm that. Part of Rockingham Street was certainly in Sheffield Union rather than Ecclesall. I assume that the Matthew 'Hananagh' you mention was actually Matthew Kavanagh. Hugh