Hi Allen Yes I did find the information on the census. There would be many reasons listed for them being in the Workhouse. Have a look at the 1881 census under "Family Search" the Mormon (LDS) Web Site. Use a common name and I am sure there will be one in the Workhouse... Do you have access to a Family History Center they have lots of material for England etc. Elaine in Ottawa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca> To: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com>; <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 30, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > Hello Elaine, > > Yes, Emiline was the child born in Hunslet in 1883. That's great news to > discover she was in the Workhouse with her mother in 1891. That certainly > proves it was the right Mary Ann Ball. Did you locate that information > from the census? > > Thanks for the http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ site. Should prove > interesting. > > You commented on the large number of women classed as lunatics in the > workhouse. Were there also women in the workhouse with other > classifications? > > Thanks, > Alan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> > To: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca>; <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 9:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > > >> Hi Alan, >> >> After spending some time on this problem last night I decided to sleep on >> it and have another go this morning. >> >> I agree with Hugh and his findings and had just decided they were a >> Catholic family most probably. Peter Holland is listed as being from >> Ireland on the 1881 census and Mary on the 1891 census. >> >> Was Emiline the child born in 1883 in Hunslet, Leeds. She was in the >> Workhouse with her mother in 1891. >> >> Don't know if your aware of this site for Leeds....... >> http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ >> >> Another child who was with her Holland grandparents in 1881 is an Amelia >> Ball (looks like Bell could this be why we are not finding Mary Ann's >> death registration.) Amelia is aged 14 and a servant with the Smithers >> family at Broomhill in 1891. >> >> I was amazed to see the large number of woman classed at Lunatics at the >> Sheffield Union Workhouse at Pitsmore. I had always thought they would >> have been at Middlewood and therefore buried at Wadsley Parish Church. >> Where would inmates as they were called have been buried who were from >> the Union. I have tried the ones on our site "Sheffield Indexers" I had >> thought probably Burngreave but I am sure we are well into the 1890's so >> thought she would show up. >> >> I wonder if she is listed as Bell. >> >> Well that's my added jottings from last night. >> >> Hope this helps. We do so luv a challenge. LOL. >> >> Elaine Pickard >> Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. >> www.SheffieldIndexers.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca> >> To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: May 29, 2010 8:06 PM >> Subject: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL >> >> >>> After years of searching for my great grandmother's death between 1885 >>> and 1889 I have found medical records from her son's death in 1915 in >>> Canada which indicate she died in an asylum in Yorkshire. It would seem >>> the family story was a cover-up. >>> A friend sent me a page from the 1891 census on which she appears as >>> Mary Ann Ball, widow, 41 years of age, lunatic, in an institution in >>> Sheffield. The name and dates fit exactly. But still no death matches on >>> the Free BMD. >>> My first question is; what institution? >>> My second question relates to the possibility that there was a cemetery >>> used for the asylum where records might still be available? >>> I would appreciate any help or suggestions as I try to locate her death. >>> >>> Her married name was Mary Ann Ball. She was born Mary Ann Holland in >>> Sheffield, September 19, 1849. She was living in Hunslet, Leeds, with >>> husband and children and the last record of her there was in 1883 on the >>> birth of a child. Her husband, James Ball, died there in 1889. The >>> record I located in Canada gives her death age at 42 (if it's reliable). >>> Her parents, Peter and Mary Holland were living in Sheffield - Ecclesall >>> Bierlow - at the time she would have been in an institution there. >>> >>> Thanks for any comments, >>> Alan >>> Canada >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >