Hello List Elaine and Frank, I am submitting this letter, which I first sent to Frank today, to the list as others may benefit from this... I forgot to add this the List earlier... sorry about that... Kindest regards, Josephine, Ontario, no snow this year to speak of yet! Canada... Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Birthplace lookup > Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:36 PM > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Birthplace lookup > > > > Hi Frank. My sister went looking for your family... My > sister and I have been working on our pedigrees for many years now...we try > to help others as the time allows. My sister wanted to know how you setlled > on this particular Kate as being the one living with Thaomas Fisher as there > were several Kate Greens around that time. It wasn't unusual for a wife to > lower her age if she was older than her husband! I hope this info is > useful...my sister Cynthia is the one to be thanked for this info... > > > > Re the request below I found the following:- > > > > 1861 census Sheffield - RG 9 pce 3485;folio 8; page 10 > > 61 crt Holliscroft, Sheffield > > > > Thomas Green hd 40 Excavator Ireland > > Catrien Green wife 40 Ireland > > Mary Green dau 17 Ireland > > Catrien dau 11 Ireland > > Thomas Green son 4 Sheffield > > William Green son 2 Sheffield. > > > > This would point to the fact that the first two girls were born in Ireland > > before 1851 - the boys were born in Sheffield after 1856/7 > > > > I am not suire how Frank Turner decided that the Kate who was with the > > Thomas Fisher in 1871 was the one he was looking for but if so it would > > again point to the fact that Catherine/Kate was born around 1850 and not > > 1855 however she did give her date of birth as 1855 after she was married > > probably because her husband would have been about 4 -5 years younger than > > she was. > > I found them on the 1881 census:- > > > > Sheffield RG11, piece 4644 folio 107 pge 7 > > Ct 1 4 Ebenezer Street, Sheffield, > > > > Herbert Wilson, hd 26 Tin Stamper Attercliffe > > Kate Arabella Wilson wf 26 Sheffield > > Rebecca dau 6 scholar " > > Kate dau 4 " " > > Herbert son 2 " > > Mary dau 3 " > > > > Thos. Green F in L Masons Lab. Kings Co, Ireland > > Catherine Green M i L Tipperary Co.,Ireland. > > Wm. Green Br in Law 21 Gen Lab Sheffield > > > > Rebecca Wilson mother W. 57 Annuit. " > > > > 1891 census Sheffield RG 12 pce 3820; folio 124; page 52 > > > > Herbert Wilson hd 36 Attercliffe > > Kate A Wilson wfe 36 Sheffield > > Rebecca dau 16 > > Kate dau 14 " > > Herbert son 12 " > > Mary dau 10 " > > Elz. dau 8 " > > > > 1901 census Attercliffe cum Darnall > > RG 13 pce 4379 folio l32; page 33 > > 91 Attercliffe Road > > > > Kate Wilson hd Married 46 Sheffield > > Herbert Wilson son 22 Fitters Lab. " > > Mary Wilson dau 20 Dress Maker " > > > > Looked for the rest of the family and found > > > > Marriage Rebecca Wilson Sheffield Sept 1/4 vol 9c page 669 > > Thomas William Tyers. > > > > Marriage Kate Wilson Sheffield Dec 1/4 vol 9c page 711 > > Walter Gascoigne. > > > > from the 1901 census:-Attercliffe Cum Darnall > > Rg 13 pce 4387 folio 7 page 6 > > > > Thos. Wm. Tyers hd 26 Sheffield > > Rebecca Tyers wife 26 " > > > > 1901 census:- Attercliffe Cum Darnall > > RG 13; pce 4382; folio 15; page 22 > > 655 Attercliffe Common > > > > Walter Gascoigne hd 26 Silver Buffer wht. Sheffield > > Kate wife 24 " > > Lizzie Wilson age 17 Gen Dom Serv. " > > > > on thecensus Lizzie was entered as serv. but i Believe she was the > sister > > of Kate and Rebecca and the youngest daughter of Herbert & Kate. Name > > Elizabeth. > > > > I have not been able to find Herbert on this last census - He could have > > been working and not counted at home. > > > > I could not find a birth for Kate/Catherine/ in the UK that would point to > > it being the one and I really do think that she was born in either King > > County or Tipperary > > As you know our Kate (we had a Katherine McKay) had two brothers born in > Ireland and then the rest of > > them were born in Sheffield and surrounds. on different census returns > they > > gave birth place as Sheffield even her mother who was born in Sligo. > > > > Hard to Know. but worth a try. - A Wedding Cert may give her age as well. > as > > her father. > > > > I hope this helps. > > > > Cynthia > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "J K gen" <gen2mail@googlemail.com> > > > To: "Frank Turner" <frank@cyberscotia.com> > > > Cc: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:10 AM > > > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Birthplace lookup > > > > > > > > >> The reference for 1871 shows Kate Green as Servant to Thomas Fisher and > > > his > > >> great niece Charlotte Hill. > > >> > > >> Kate is 20 yrs and born in Sheffield (household at Kenwood Banks). > > >> > > >> Still looking for later entries. > > >> JK > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:24 PM, Frank Turner <frank@cyberscotia.com> > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> > I'm looking for the birthplace of Kate Arabella Wilson ( nee Green ) > b. > > >> > 1855 > > >> > who married Herbert Wilson b. 1855 in Sheffield. They married in 1874 > > >> > in > > >> > Sheffield. The 1881 census shows her birthplace as Sheffield whereas > > >> > the > > >> > 1861 census shows her birthplace as Ireland. Confusing isnt it ? I do > > > know > > >> > that her parents were Irish. > > >> > Would anyone with the 1891 and later census records do me a lookup > > > please ? > > >> > On the 1871 census the relevant page is Piece 4674 Folio 35. All I > need > > > is > > >> > the place of birth. I'm trying to determine when the family moved > over > > > from > > >> > Ireland > > >> > Many thanks > > >> > Frank