Hi Glenda, One of the reasons you may be having problems with them is that they were non conformists. I see they are buried in the General Cemetery. An Atley son is producing children in the 1890's and living at Whiteley Woods. His children are also in the General Cemetery. This is on the CD of burials by SDFHS. There is a John Atley on the 1861 census aged 43 unmarried living in Nether Hallam. Table Knife Cutler. As I said there were No other Atley's in Sheffield in 1841. There is a Henry Atley in the States as a Civil War Soldier. I don't have the Ancestry World wide membership to see what it actually says. Hope this helps a little more. Elaine in Ottawa. Elaine Pickard Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. www.SheffieldIndexers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "glenda" <atleyg@cytanet.com.cy> To: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> Sent: June 08, 2010 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Atley > Hello Elaine, you are spot on - it is indeed the right family - trying to > get back another generation but Henry has disappeared by 1851, John has > died, and I can find no trace at all of son John b.1823. > > Thank you for your help and interest, it is much appreciated > > Glenda > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> > To: "glenda" <atleyg@cytanet.com.cy>; <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 3:35 PM > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Atley > > >> Hi Glenda, >> >> Without dates and a possible location hard to pinpoint..... >> >> On Family Search there is this baptisms. >> >> HENRY ATTLEY - International Genealogical Index >> Gender: Male Christening: 18 JUN 1816 Heslington, Yorkshire >> >> Parents are John & Abigail. >> >> Is that the family on the 1841 census living at Spring St? Sheffield. >> Spelt Atley. John is listed as being 55 & Henry 25. >> Only one family in Sheffield on the 1841 with that name. >> >> Heslington seems to be North of York. >> >> Elaine Pickard >> Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. >> www.SheffieldIndexers.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "glenda" <atleyg@cytanet.com.cy> >> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: June 08, 2010 6:12 AM >> Subject: [SHEFF] Atley >> >> >>> Good afternoon all, >>> >>> I rarely find any new info on my Atley's..but turned this reference up >>> on Ancestry. It looks like the birth/Christening of Henry and parents >>> are John and Abigail. Curious about the S.J.?? >>> >>> If someone with a subscription could have a look please, I would be most >>> grateful >>> >>> Many thanks, Glenda >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Yorkshire, England, Extracted Parish Records >>> Birth, Marriage & Death >>> >>> Name: Henry John Abigail Atley S. J. >>> Birth: year >>> Vital: date - Yorkshire, England >>> Vital: location >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Hi Glenda, Without dates and a possible location hard to pinpoint..... On Family Search there is this baptisms. HENRY ATTLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 18 JUN 1816 Heslington, Yorkshire Parents are John & Abigail. Is that the family on the 1841 census living at Spring St? Sheffield. Spelt Atley. John is listed as being 55 & Henry 25. Only one family in Sheffield on the 1841 with that name. Heslington seems to be North of York. Elaine Pickard Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. www.SheffieldIndexers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "glenda" <atleyg@cytanet.com.cy> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: June 08, 2010 6:12 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Atley > Good afternoon all, > > I rarely find any new info on my Atley's..but turned this reference up on > Ancestry. It looks like the birth/Christening of Henry and parents are > John and Abigail. Curious about the S.J.?? > > If someone with a subscription could have a look please, I would be most > grateful > > Many thanks, Glenda > > > > > Yorkshire, England, Extracted Parish Records > Birth, Marriage & Death > > Name: Henry John Abigail Atley S. J. > Birth: year > Vital: date - Yorkshire, England > Vital: location > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have found her in 1881 living with her parents listed as Clarrissa Jennings married but there is no husband with her. RG11/4630/27 page 5. Angela Treweek _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now

Hello Anne, If you've found Willoughby in 81/91, where has he got to, as he is not with Clarissa? I note she is listed as WINFIELD and single in 1891. I'm wondering if this is her marrying again: GRO Marriages MAR Qtr 1897 Joe PEARSON Sheffield 9c 562 Clarissa JENNINGS Sheffield 9c 562 I think this couple is at piece 4353 folio 50 page 26 in 1901. And I think this may be her death entry: GRO Deaths MAR Qtr 1935 Pearson Clarissa 79 Ecclesall B. 9c 485 Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne C" <annecwinfield@ntlworld.com> To: "Sheffield List" <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 1:30 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Willoughby and Clarissa JENNINGS (nee WINFIELD) > Hello Listers > > I can't seem to find the above in the 1901 and 1911 censuses. I have them > in the 1881 and 1891 censuses in Ecclesall Bierlow. Willoughby was born > in > 1857 in Rotherham and Clarissa was born in 1855 in Sheffield. > > Any help/information will be gratefully received. > > TIA > > Anne Winfield in Leeds

Hello Listers I can't seem to find the above in the 1901 and 1911 censuses. I have them in the 1881 and 1891 censuses in Ecclesall Bierlow. Willoughby was born in 1857 in Rotherham and Clarissa was born in 1855 in Sheffield. Any help/information will be gratefully received. TIA Anne Winfield in Leeds

Hi all, This is a sad update for anyone researching the surname HOLLINGWORTH as several of the bouncers listed below were researching that, and other, surnames. As you all know, entries with bouncing emails are deleted from the Master Database and will have to be resubmitted. Don't let this happen to you - let me know if you change your email address, please. Susan Barnes (5) sb@rawdonx.demon.co.uk Alexander (1) alexlarry@prodigy.net Jill Harbertson (34) djharb@ntlworld.com Tracey (1) snugget@dodo.com.au Nicholson Hollingworth (2) nickb2@bigpond.com New surnames entries added to the Master Database with this update: BERRYMAN CLUBLEY DENT FAL(L)AS RILEY All the best, Magdalena ___________________________________________________ Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens List Administrator PLEASE NOTE: - For *all *communications regarding the YKS Surnames List, please address emails to: *ykssurnames@yahoo.com not* to the address from which this update is posted. Thank you. - For the Index to surnames on the YKS Surnames database and for instructions on how to submit surnames, go to: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ -- MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS Member of Council for the Portugal Region AIIC - International Association of Conference Interpreters m.gorrell@aiic.net http://www.mgorrell.eu Membro da Direcção do SNATTI Sindicato Nacional da Actividade Turística Tradutores e Intérpretes http://www.snatti.org

> Mary Malone and Peter Holland were married "at the Catholic Chapel in the > district of Ecclesall Bierlow Union by Matthew Hananagh RC". Would you > know > if that church is the same as the St. Mary's where you indicated Mary Ann > Ball was Baptised? Although the baptism is in the St Marie's transcription it can't have taken place in the church itself which was not completed until 1850. It was preceded on the same site by a chapel, but this must have been demolished before work started on St Marie's in 1847, and it was not in Ecclesall Bierlow. Some information in an 1848 Directory sheds light on this: "Until the completion of this church the Roman Catholics of Sheffiield worship in Mount Tabor Chapel, in Rockingham street, which was built by the Aikenite Methodists, and had been some time unoccupied. The Revs. Matthew Kavanagh, and Michael Henry Smith are the priests." It seems that the building was on the corner of Rockingham Street and Wellington Street and was later used as part of a printing business as 37 Wellington street. It was demolished in the 1960's. The marriage certificate suggests that this location was in Ecclesall Bierlow though I can't immediately confirm that. Part of Rockingham Street was certainly in Sheffield Union rather than Ecclesall. I assume that the Matthew 'Hananagh' you mention was actually Matthew Kavanagh. Hugh

Her date of death presumably abt 1891. The institution probably was: Orignally Middlewood hospital was known as South Yorkshire Asylum (1872-1890) It then became West Riding Asylum, Wadsley (1890-1930) apart from a couple of years from 1915 onwards when the hospital was evacuated by the military to be used as Wharncliffe War Hospital.From 1930 the hospital became Wadsley Mental hospital and remained so until 1939 when 2,200 patients were evacuated so that the hospital could once again be used as a war hospital. After the military had finished with it, the hospital again became Wadsley mental hospital until 1948 when it became Middlewood hospital. It is now a residential estate, and little is left of the old buildings. John Fisher > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 20:06:49 -0400 > From: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca> > Subject: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP730A2598688101D2CA9EAC85ED0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > After years of searching for my great grandmother's death between 1885 and > 1889 I have found medical records from her son's death in 1915 in Canada > which indicate she died in an asylum in Yorkshire. It would seem the > family story was a cover-up. > A friend sent me a page from the 1891 census on which she appears as Mary > Ann Ball, widow, 41 years of age, lunatic, in an institution in Sheffield. > The name and dates fit exactly. But still no death matches on the Free > BMD. > My first question is; what institution? > My second question relates to the possibility that there was a cemetery > used for the asylum where records might still be available? > I would appreciate any help or suggestions as I try to locate her death. > > Her married name was Mary Ann Ball. She was born Mary Ann Holland in > Sheffield, September 19, 1849. She was living in Hunslet, Leeds, with > husband and children and the last record of her there was in 1883 on the > birth of a child. Her husband, James Ball, died there in 1889. The record > I located in Canada gives her death age at 42 (if it's reliable). Her > parents, Peter and Mary Holland were living in Sheffield - Ecclesall > Bierlow - at the time she would have been in an institution there. > > Thanks for any comments, > Alan > Canada

Hi Allen Yes I did find the information on the census. There would be many reasons listed for them being in the Workhouse. Have a look at the 1881 census under "Family Search" the Mormon (LDS) Web Site. Use a common name and I am sure there will be one in the Workhouse... Do you have access to a Family History Center they have lots of material for England etc. Elaine in Ottawa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca> To: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com>; <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 30, 2010 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > Hello Elaine, > > Yes, Emiline was the child born in Hunslet in 1883. That's great news to > discover she was in the Workhouse with her mother in 1891. That certainly > proves it was the right Mary Ann Ball. Did you locate that information > from the census? > > Thanks for the http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ site. Should prove > interesting. > > You commented on the large number of women classed as lunatics in the > workhouse. Were there also women in the workhouse with other > classifications? > > Thanks, > Alan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> > To: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca>; <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 9:21 AM > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > > >> Hi Alan, >> >> After spending some time on this problem last night I decided to sleep on >> it and have another go this morning. >> >> I agree with Hugh and his findings and had just decided they were a >> Catholic family most probably. Peter Holland is listed as being from >> Ireland on the 1881 census and Mary on the 1891 census. >> >> Was Emiline the child born in 1883 in Hunslet, Leeds. She was in the >> Workhouse with her mother in 1891. >> >> Don't know if your aware of this site for Leeds....... >> http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ >> >> Another child who was with her Holland grandparents in 1881 is an Amelia >> Ball (looks like Bell could this be why we are not finding Mary Ann's >> death registration.) Amelia is aged 14 and a servant with the Smithers >> family at Broomhill in 1891. >> >> I was amazed to see the large number of woman classed at Lunatics at the >> Sheffield Union Workhouse at Pitsmore. I had always thought they would >> have been at Middlewood and therefore buried at Wadsley Parish Church. >> Where would inmates as they were called have been buried who were from >> the Union. I have tried the ones on our site "Sheffield Indexers" I had >> thought probably Burngreave but I am sure we are well into the 1890's so >> thought she would show up. >> >> I wonder if she is listed as Bell. >> >> Well that's my added jottings from last night. >> >> Hope this helps. We do so luv a challenge. LOL. >> >> Elaine Pickard >> Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. >> www.SheffieldIndexers.com >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca> >> To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: May 29, 2010 8:06 PM >> Subject: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL >> >> >>> After years of searching for my great grandmother's death between 1885 >>> and 1889 I have found medical records from her son's death in 1915 in >>> Canada which indicate she died in an asylum in Yorkshire. It would seem >>> the family story was a cover-up. >>> A friend sent me a page from the 1891 census on which she appears as >>> Mary Ann Ball, widow, 41 years of age, lunatic, in an institution in >>> Sheffield. The name and dates fit exactly. But still no death matches on >>> the Free BMD. >>> My first question is; what institution? >>> My second question relates to the possibility that there was a cemetery >>> used for the asylum where records might still be available? >>> I would appreciate any help or suggestions as I try to locate her death. >>> >>> Her married name was Mary Ann Ball. She was born Mary Ann Holland in >>> Sheffield, September 19, 1849. She was living in Hunslet, Leeds, with >>> husband and children and the last record of her there was in 1883 on the >>> birth of a child. Her husband, James Ball, died there in 1889. The >>> record I located in Canada gives her death age at 42 (if it's reliable). >>> Her parents, Peter and Mary Holland were living in Sheffield - Ecclesall >>> Bierlow - at the time she would have been in an institution there. >>> >>> Thanks for any comments, >>> Alan >>> Canada >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

Thanks for the offer of a search Angela. It would be wonderful to find out when Mary Ann Ball entered the institution as it would help to put other dates etc. in place. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Treweek" <atreweek@hotmail.com> To: "list sheffield" <eng-sheffield-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 4:13 AM Subject: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > > Hello Alan. > > The institution would be The South Yorkshire Asylum which was later known > as Middlewood. > > We (S&DFHS) are just compiling an index from the admissiom registers and > have got as far as 1891. > > I'll check the records I have later on. > > > > Angela Treweek > > > _________________________________________________________________ > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ > We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell > us now > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Elaine, Yes, Emiline was the child born in Hunslet in 1883. That's great news to discover she was in the Workhouse with her mother in 1891. That certainly proves it was the right Mary Ann Ball. Did you locate that information from the census? Thanks for the http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ site. Should prove interesting. You commented on the large number of women classed as lunatics in the workhouse. Were there also women in the workhouse with other classifications? Thanks, Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> To: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca>; <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > Hi Alan, > > After spending some time on this problem last night I decided to sleep on > it and have another go this morning. > > I agree with Hugh and his findings and had just decided they were a > Catholic family most probably. Peter Holland is listed as being from > Ireland on the 1881 census and Mary on the 1891 census. > > Was Emiline the child born in 1883 in Hunslet, Leeds. She was in the > Workhouse with her mother in 1891. > > Don't know if your aware of this site for Leeds....... > http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ > > Another child who was with her Holland grandparents in 1881 is an Amelia > Ball (looks like Bell could this be why we are not finding Mary Ann's > death registration.) Amelia is aged 14 and a servant with the Smithers > family at Broomhill in 1891. > > I was amazed to see the large number of woman classed at Lunatics at the > Sheffield Union Workhouse at Pitsmore. I had always thought they would > have been at Middlewood and therefore buried at Wadsley Parish Church. > Where would inmates as they were called have been buried who were from the > Union. I have tried the ones on our site "Sheffield Indexers" I had > thought probably Burngreave but I am sure we are well into the 1890's so > thought she would show up. > > I wonder if she is listed as Bell. > > Well that's my added jottings from last night. > > Hope this helps. We do so luv a challenge. LOL. > > Elaine Pickard > Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. > www.SheffieldIndexers.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca> > To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> > Sent: May 29, 2010 8:06 PM > Subject: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > > >> After years of searching for my great grandmother's death between 1885 >> and 1889 I have found medical records from her son's death in 1915 in >> Canada which indicate she died in an asylum in Yorkshire. It would seem >> the family story was a cover-up. >> A friend sent me a page from the 1891 census on which she appears as Mary >> Ann Ball, widow, 41 years of age, lunatic, in an institution in >> Sheffield. The name and dates fit exactly. But still no death matches on >> the Free BMD. >> My first question is; what institution? >> My second question relates to the possibility that there was a cemetery >> used for the asylum where records might still be available? >> I would appreciate any help or suggestions as I try to locate her death. >> >> Her married name was Mary Ann Ball. She was born Mary Ann Holland in >> Sheffield, September 19, 1849. She was living in Hunslet, Leeds, with >> husband and children and the last record of her there was in 1883 on the >> birth of a child. Her husband, James Ball, died there in 1889. The record >> I located in Canada gives her death age at 42 (if it's reliable). Her >> parents, Peter and Mary Holland were living in Sheffield - Ecclesall >> Bierlow - at the time she would have been in an institution there. >> >> Thanks for any comments, >> Alan >> Canada >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Alan, Well if Mr Harper comes through with his promise to have all rural areas covered by high speed internet you will be with us in no time. What was that....."when hell freezes over" Lol..... Take care. Elaine in Ottawa. ----- Original Message ----- From: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 30, 2010 11:13 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Holland-Ball > Sitting in a rural location where the only access to the internet is by > dial-up and connecting through a slow phone link, it's a little > overwhelming to suddenly see such a large amount of information suddenly > appear on my computer. > > Thanks very much to everyone who responded, and as I process this > information I will respond to the individual emails. > > Alan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hugh Waterhouse Yes, they were a Catholic family Hugh. I have the marriage cert. for Mary Malone and Peter Holland, 28 Oct. 1848. Strange part is Mary Ann Holland was married to James Ball in Sheffield at St. John's Church, C of E, 21 Aug. 1870. Probably James Ball b.Nottingham c1825 was Protestant. Their children were all Catholic - except for their son James Jr. (my grandfather) who change to Protestant while in the Highland light Infantry. That led to the usual confusion among descendants wondering how the family split religions. Thank you for the link to http://www.sheffieldindexers.com I hope it will help me find other Baptisms as well as figure out what happened to Mary and Peter Holland. Mary Malone and Peter Holland were married "at the Catholic Chapel in the district of Ecclesall Bierlow Union by Matthew Hananagh RC". Would you know if that church is the same as the St. Mary's where you indicated Mary Ann Ball was Baptised? Again, thanks for the help Hugh, fascinating stuff. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Waterhouse" <dalum@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "list sheffield" <eng-sheffield-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > The 1891 census page is from Sheffield Union, though she could have spent > time at Wadsley Asylum. I think there's some wishful thinking with the > age. > It may begin with '4' but the second digit is just about completely > obliterated by later marks. (Piece: 3836; Folio 137; Page 33) > > This is a Catholic family: > > Holland, Mary Ann (of ~, born 1849-09-19). > Baptised September 23, 1849, by William Parsons at St Maries RC Church, > Sheffield Centre. > Parents name(s) are Mary Malone & Peter (~). > ( from http://www.sheffieldindexers.com ) > > I think her parents are also listed in burials on that site, buried in the > Catholic section of City Road. If so, her mother died in Sheffield Union > in > 1895. Another HOLLAND (brother?) died in the Asylum in 1890. > > Can't see a burial for Mary Ann at the moment. > > Hugh > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Sitting in a rural location where the only access to the internet is by dial-up and connecting through a slow phone link, it's a little overwhelming to suddenly see such a large amount of information suddenly appear on my computer. Thanks very much to everyone who responded, and as I process this information I will respond to the individual emails. Alan

The 1891 census page is from Sheffield Union, though she could have spent time at Wadsley Asylum. I think there's some wishful thinking with the age. It may begin with '4' but the second digit is just about completely obliterated by later marks. (Piece: 3836; Folio 137; Page 33) This is a Catholic family: Holland, Mary Ann (of ~, born 1849-09-19). Baptised September 23, 1849, by William Parsons at St Maries RC Church, Sheffield Centre. Parents name(s) are Mary Malone & Peter (~). ( from http://www.sheffieldindexers.com ) I think her parents are also listed in burials on that site, buried in the Catholic section of City Road. If so, her mother died in Sheffield Union in 1895. Another HOLLAND (brother?) died in the Asylum in 1890. Can't see a burial for Mary Ann at the moment. Hugh

Hi Alan, After spending some time on this problem last night I decided to sleep on it and have another go this morning. I agree with Hugh and his findings and had just decided they were a Catholic family most probably. Peter Holland is listed as being from Ireland on the 1881 census and Mary on the 1891 census. Was Emiline the child born in 1883 in Hunslet, Leeds. She was in the Workhouse with her mother in 1891. Don't know if your aware of this site for Leeds....... http://www.yorkshirebmd.org.uk/ Another child who was with her Holland grandparents in 1881 is an Amelia Ball (looks like Bell could this be why we are not finding Mary Ann's death registration.) Amelia is aged 14 and a servant with the Smithers family at Broomhill in 1891. I was amazed to see the large number of woman classed at Lunatics at the Sheffield Union Workhouse at Pitsmore. I had always thought they would have been at Middlewood and therefore buried at Wadsley Parish Church. Where would inmates as they were called have been buried who were from the Union. I have tried the ones on our site "Sheffield Indexers" I had thought probably Burngreave but I am sure we are well into the 1890's so thought she would show up. I wonder if she is listed as Bell. Well that's my added jottings from last night. Hope this helps. We do so luv a challenge. LOL. Elaine Pickard Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. www.SheffieldIndexers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "A&M Brown" <browns.home@sympatico.ca> To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: May 29, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: [SHEFF] HOLLAND-BALL > After years of searching for my great grandmother's death between 1885 and > 1889 I have found medical records from her son's death in 1915 in Canada > which indicate she died in an asylum in Yorkshire. It would seem the > family story was a cover-up. > A friend sent me a page from the 1891 census on which she appears as Mary > Ann Ball, widow, 41 years of age, lunatic, in an institution in Sheffield. > The name and dates fit exactly. But still no death matches on the Free > BMD. > My first question is; what institution? > My second question relates to the possibility that there was a cemetery > used for the asylum where records might still be available? > I would appreciate any help or suggestions as I try to locate her death. > > Her married name was Mary Ann Ball. She was born Mary Ann Holland in > Sheffield, September 19, 1849. She was living in Hunslet, Leeds, with > husband and children and the last record of her there was in 1883 on the > birth of a child. Her husband, James Ball, died there in 1889. The record > I located in Canada gives her death age at 42 (if it's reliable). Her > parents, Peter and Mary Holland were living in Sheffield - Ecclesall > Bierlow - at the time she would have been in an institution there. > > Thanks for any comments, > Alan > Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Alan. The institution would be The South Yorkshire Asylum which was later known as Middlewood. We (S&DFHS) are just compiling an index from the admissiom registers and have got as far as 1891. I'll check the records I have later on. Angela Treweek _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now

Alan, The institution was Sheffield Union Workhouse. Cedric On Sunday 30 May 2010 01:06:49 A&M Brown wrote: > After years of searching for my great grandmother's death between 1885 and > 1889 I have found medical records from her son's death in 1915 in Canada > which indicate she died in an asylum in Yorkshire. It would seem the > family story was a cover-up. A friend sent me a page from the 1891 census > on which she appears as Mary Ann Ball, widow, 41 years of age, lunatic, in > an institution in Sheffield. The name and dates fit exactly. But still no > death matches on the Free BMD. My first question is; what institution? > My second question relates to the possibility that there was a cemetery > used for the asylum where records might still be available? I would > appreciate any help or suggestions as I try to locate her death. > > Her married name was Mary Ann Ball. She was born Mary Ann Holland in > Sheffield, September 19, 1849. She was living in Hunslet, Leeds, with > husband and children and the last record of her there was in 1883 on the > birth of a child. Her husband, James Ball, died there in 1889. The record > I located in Canada gives her death age at 42 (if it's reliable). Her > parents, Peter and Mary Holland were living in Sheffield - Ecclesall > Bierlow - at the time she would have been in an institution there. > > Thanks for any comments, > Alan > Canada > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

After years of searching for my great grandmother's death between 1885 and 1889 I have found medical records from her son's death in 1915 in Canada which indicate she died in an asylum in Yorkshire. It would seem the family story was a cover-up. A friend sent me a page from the 1891 census on which she appears as Mary Ann Ball, widow, 41 years of age, lunatic, in an institution in Sheffield. The name and dates fit exactly. But still no death matches on the Free BMD. My first question is; what institution? My second question relates to the possibility that there was a cemetery used for the asylum where records might still be available? I would appreciate any help or suggestions as I try to locate her death. Her married name was Mary Ann Ball. She was born Mary Ann Holland in Sheffield, September 19, 1849. She was living in Hunslet, Leeds, with husband and children and the last record of her there was in 1883 on the birth of a child. Her husband, James Ball, died there in 1889. The record I located in Canada gives her death age at 42 (if it's reliable). Her parents, Peter and Mary Holland were living in Sheffield - Ecclesall Bierlow - at the time she would have been in an institution there. Thanks for any comments, Alan Canada

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