In a message dated 15/06/2010 21:20:21 GMT Daylight Time, e.newbery@btinternet.com writes: I think if your family originated in UK and crossed the pond, many of them took with them their family bibles. They kept in touch - albeit irregularly. They weren't necessarily escaping religious persecution or poverty, many were going to make a buck!...and, many came back having made their fortunes. Hi, You are wrong there. Many people leaving England, many on the "Mayflower" and other like ships, were fleeing from religious persecution of Quakers. Yes they had their family bibles in which they recorded family happenings so that there was a record for future generations. Many families settled in Burlington, New Jersey, and started a Quaker Colony there. One of my family, George Elkington born in England in 1650, travelled to America on the "Kent" in 1677 and was indentured as a Blacksmith for four years. He finally settled there, marrying two wives there, and did not return to England again. At this time, that Sarah Jessica Parker was looking at, People were fleeing England for their religion. It was not until over 100 years later that English and Americans owned plantations in the West Indies, that English people made money by buying and selling slaves on their plantations. If any of you watched last night [Sky Watch] and saw Carol Vorderman researching her family you would have found it very interesting. She did her mother's family first and they were well respected butchers in North Wales. She then followed her father's family and found out he was an important leader of the resistance in Holland. Sadly, her father had a massive stroke whilst he was being researched, so she had to finish there. There wasn't one "OH my Gaawd" in it and as a bright and intelligent woman, she came over very well. The programme was filled with interesting meaty bits which SJP lacked. JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com/) Elkington@rootsweb.com _www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html_ (http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html)

I think this show created just what it planned on happening ! After the first airings of this show it was reported that the libraries were being swamped with people asking how to do this - and mainly from this program. How wonderful, and I was delighted and told a ton of people on my web sites to watch, hoping it would get them inspired to do more....anything to get todays younger generation interested to carry on all my hard work! I really think they should teach genealogy to jr. high students, and incorporate it into history classes. I might have liked history better way back then if I could have related it to one of my ancestors! I applaud the people who put together these programs, and wish they would have more of them. I'd rather watch these than dancing with the stars type of shows. Just my 2 cents worth! Kris Michigan usa

I think if your family originated in UK and crossed the pond, many of them took with them their family bibles. They kept in touch - albeit irregularly. They weren't necessarily escaping religious persecution or poverty, many were going to make a buck!...and, many came back having made their fortunes. Friends in Ontario have said that they weren't too impressed with the "majority" of the US programmes but enjoyed the UK ones. Thinking about it, many of the famous people that had their lives researched on the UK version were actually from Eastern bloc countries or Turkey, etc. but they managed to trace their families back there - Jews, Christians and Orthodox - and they visited those places. Perhaps some of the future programmes will be more interesting. As for the Salem Witches - I visited there last Autumn/Fall - and I got the impression that everyone is looking for ancestors who were involved just like the Aussies are looking for convicts! I recall being told that my Perkins lot were involved with the Salem Witches they were in Massachusetts. John PERKINS left England for Mass. before 1635 - I went to the US for the induction of his 6xg daughter-in-law (ie wife of his 6xg grandson) into the National Women's Hall of Fame. I didn't have any problem looking for the family. It's a bit like England - if they stayed still, if they were wealthy or if they were very bad, then they are not too difficult to research. Those that are difficult are the ones who were escaping their country of origin for whatever reason. I had an email from a gentleman who assured me that I had the wrong connection as it was his grandfather. Poor man was very embarrassed when I had to tell him that his grandfather had actually committed bigamy as he'd left a wife and children behind in England! There are others that I'm still looking for but not so easy when they changed their names. Liz www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josephine Laxton" <rlaxton@rogers.com> To: "Jane Howard" <janemariehoward@hotmail.com>; <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Sarah Jessica Parker/"Who Do You Think You Are?" > I have been watching the interchange, between people who watched the > Sarah Jessica Parker episode of who do you think you are, American > version. > Several points stand out. It seems to me that the there is a fundamental > difference in cultures in America and Britain.For instance, while engaging > in my own research in Britain, I was amazed to find out for instance, that > a > lot of Church records/ documents were removed from churches such as St. > Marys' in Ecclesfield, during at least one of it's battles with France. > These same documents were then sent to France to the the mother house > (they > are still there to this day)...why is this imformation revelant? because, > I > was looking for records of my own ancestors, who were definitely English. > While in Britain, the history of the country and documents pertaining to > ancestry are writ large. In America which is such a young country by > comparison; a lot of people do not know who their ancestors are past their > grandparents. The documents to prove the connections were not available > (until lately) to the general public. > It is interesting that as in Britain the people being showcased on > these Ancestry Programmes are somewhat famous...the average person in > America does not have the funds to find the information for their own > ancestors to the degree that more prominent people can . Also the U.S.A. > is > a huge place in comparison to England. Unlike most of my ancestors who > stayed within the boundaries of Ecclesfield for hundreds of years, it is > much more likely that Americans lost their early roots when they left > England, Europe or wherever they came from. I do not think that their > Ancestry was much on their minds in the early days as a huge number of > people who entered America did so within certain time frames, and in a lot > of cases, without the benefit of being able to speak English and in a > survival mode. > My husband's family was a case in point. His ancestry centered around > a family who came in from Poland in the early 1920's. They left with only > their clothes, being refugees... His Grandfather was from Romania. he > entered the Port of New York with his father, who spoke no English. My > husnband's Grandfather was a Talmudic scholar in Budapest, but ended up as > a > farmer in Saskatchewan... The person in authority at the Port of New York, > asked my husband's Grandfather his name. He replied 'Herchel Lazar > Cohen'. > His name was misheard and then fore shortened to 'Herchel > Lazaresko'...soon > after arriving in New York, the family decided to take advantage of free > land in Saskatchewan Canada...a place named 'Goose Lake' as there were no > other people around except for the indigenous population, who incidently > kept the family alive, the name Goose Lake was appropriate... there were > only a handful of families who had travelled to that destination, and had > no > skills or knowledge to survive the terrible winters inherent in > Saskatchewan...They later moved to Saskatoon Saskatchewan and from there > to > Toronto Canada... If you could withold judgement I am pretty sure you will > see the episode where Lisa Kudrow, discovers her own ancestors past, > particularly heart rending...This episode made me weep...quite a few > immigrants did not want their identities known for fear of reprisals > within > the communities where they had to live, in the New World, and because they > also feared reprisals on those family members left behind... The old > saying > that New York was a melting pot, was perfectly true. Fighting between > different immigrant groups was legendary. > The search for ancestors in America is only now being approached in > any meaningful way. Too many times becuase of their ancestry having > originated in foreign lands, it involves multiple venues of research must > be > consulted. In poland it was thought for a long time that all Jewish > history > had been erased. It has now come to light that docuements were in many > cases > hidden by the local population who did this at great risk.While the > British > trot off to the local record offices and London to the Pro etc etc.( And I > include myself among this group), the records in Canada and America are a > lot more spread out and harder to find. I think if you are patient with > the > programmes, you will find it worthwhile. Also keep in mind that while > America and England are suppsoed to speak the same language there mores, > attitudes and life experiences are much different. I have lived in England > half my life, and the other half in America and Canada, and the older I > get > the more I realize how different the countries are. One last thought, re > Sarah Jessica Parker, I very much doubt that she would have been able to > find her heritage so easily, if she had not had the means to be able to do > so...Kindest regrads, Josephine M. Laxton Ontario Canada. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jane Howard" <janemariehoward@hotmail.com> > To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:27 AM > Subject: [SHEFF] Sarah Jessica Parker/"Who Do You Think You Are?" > > >> >> Americans are a "quick-fix society?" Gotta love these generalizations... >> >> >> >> In any case, as far as this program goes, there is just one hour > (including commercials) to get the story across out of the dozens of hours > spent conducting the actual research. I think the whole point of these > episodes is to give people an idea of what can be found about our > ancestors > and the part they may have played in American History. >> >> >> >> As far as documentation, census records were clearly shown along with > actual correspondence from one of the friends reporting on the death of > SJP's ancestor in the gold fields. There was also the deed to the actual > claim. As far as the Salem Witch Trials, there were court documents cited > just for starters. Of course there isn't going to be time to give > microfilm/page numbers and other source material, but it gave viewers an > idea of what kinds of records are out there to be gleaned. >> >> >> >> Would I have liked to have seen more on the actual research process? Of > course. However, I think the main aim of this series was entertainment, > as > is with all television, and there is a history lesson thrown in to boot. > Furthermore, who knows how many people will have been bitten by the > genealogy bug that prompts them to undertake a search of their own roots - > a > search that, who knows, might end up providing to a long lost relative YOU > have been trying to find? >> >> >> >> >> Jane M. Howard >> >> Pets are NOT disposable! >> >> Spay, Neuter, Adopt! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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I hate to disagree with you Liz that most people would take their Family Bibles with them, when they emmigrated. In fact in my research of many years, I have found that in fact, the eldest person in the family usually held the Family Bible as in my own family...it would be nice to think that everyone in England who emmigrated took a Family Bible with them. but hardly the case! As for keeping in touch, articles from the Society of Genealogists in London point to correspondence between families who had emmigrated as being an unusual trend. If the family was educated (and this again was the exception rather than the rule with emmigrants), they may have had correspondence albeit spotty. I have been shocked to learn, just how many ships sank on voyages across to the New World. Nova Scotia and the East Coast of America were graveyards for ships. In Nova Scotia they had a Newspaper named the 'Shipping News'. which kept people abreast of the sinkings. My own 3Xs Great GArndfather drowned after falling off a ship in Quebec Harbour. He had been travelling as a Representative of his Firms' Business. There was a Coroner's Inquest which ruled accidental drowning...The other fallacy is that most immigrants had a first second or 3rd class berth on their voyages, because the most likely venue would have been steerage. I direct you to News Paper articles in Quebec Newspapers of the early 1800's (written in English at that time). which delineated the fates of many poor immigrants. In 1832 especially a lot of the passengers suffered quite horrible fates, especially because of the Cholera epidemic. Most Ships coming into Quebec were quarantined on an island in Quebec Harbour, if there was any chance of illness aboard. Even if one did not have an illness it would be likely that one would have, after internment/quarantine. New York also had routine quarantine of immigrants. I did not state that most people were travelling to escape religious persecution, especially from England; except for maybe the Founding Fathers of America...as well Quakers and Protestants left enmasse, landing at Plymouth Rock... as for going to 'make a Buck', I think it more likely that while this would have been the end result in a lot of cases, it was mostly young men who would have gone abroad, in a lot of cases to send money back home. I am not familiar with many people returning to England after making their fortunes, although I suspect that some did...I know that at least one of the Ancestors gtraveleld to New York and Pgiladelphia in the 1840's-50's, living in America for some tiem representing the Sheffield Family Firm. I prefer to make my own decision on whether or not something is valid/interesting, or not. I am not too influenced by what other people think. Re the Eastern bloc reference. While you state that the people interviewed found their histories etc, it seems to me that only the ones who could find there origins were interviewed for T.V.. The masses did not and in fact cannot hope to find their inheritance as it was cruelly disposed of by many people. I mentioned my husband's family on his mother's side as originating in Poland. The family owned the local bakers' oven to which the locals would bring their bread etc to be baked. My mother in Law remembered well the Cossacks invading Poland routinely. The locals were terrorized by them. Eventualy my husband's Maternal Grandfgather, managed to raise enough money for one passage to America. He bought a business in London, Ontario, and within the next few months managed to get enough money togather to pay for passages to enable the rest of his immedate family to join him in Canada. They were the lucky ones. The rest of the family suffered a terible fate, being sent to Auschwitz... I am fascinated, re the reference to the Salem Witches. Did you mange to confirm that your immediate family was connected to these same Perkins? You are correct in that if you were wealthy, corrupt, or burned as a Witch, your history is not too hard to find in America, although Unfortuna tely this does not account for the majority who had no such connections.What I have been flabbergasted about, is the fact that in only the last year, I have connected with relations in Canada, who I never knew existed. This includes members from quite a few lines, originating mostly from Yorkshire, this mass migration, happened on both sides of the family. I was never even aware of them until the last few months... They were the sons/ brothers of my own Paternal Great Grandfather (for the most part) who left England for a better life. a lot of younger sons left as they had no hope of inheriting very much. Well must end here. Regards, Josephine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> To: "Josephine Laxton" <rlaxton@rogers.com>; "Jane Howard" <janemariehoward@hotmail.com>; <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 2:55 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Sarah Jessica Parker/"Who Do You Think You Are?" > I think if your family originated in UK and crossed the pond, many of them > took with them their family bibles. They kept in touch - albeit > irregularly. They weren't necessarily escaping religious persecution or > poverty, many were going to make a buck!...and, many came back having made > their fortunes. > > Friends in Ontario have said that they weren't too impressed with the > "majority" of the US programmes but enjoyed the UK ones. Thinking about it, > many of the famous people that had their lives researched on the UK version > were actually from Eastern bloc countries or Turkey, etc. but they managed > to trace their families back there - Jews, Christians and Orthodox - and > they visited those places. Perhaps some of the future programmes will be > more interesting. > > As for the Salem Witches - I visited there last Autumn/Fall - and I got the > impression that everyone is looking for ancestors who were involved just > like the Aussies are looking for convicts! I recall being told that my > Perkins lot were involved with the Salem Witches they were in > Massachusetts. John PERKINS left England for Mass. before 1635 - I went to > the US for the induction of his 6xg daughter-in-law (ie wife of his 6xg > grandson) into the National Women's Hall of Fame. I didn't have any problem > looking for the family. It's a bit like England - if they stayed still, if > they were wealthy or if they were very bad, then they are not too difficult > to research. Those that are difficult are the ones who were escaping their > country of origin for whatever reason. > > I had an email from a gentleman who assured me that I had the wrong > connection as it was his grandfather. Poor man was very embarrassed when I > had to tell him that his grandfather had actually committed bigamy as he'd > left a wife and children behind in England! There are others that I'm still > looking for but not so easy when they changed their names. > > Liz > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josephine Laxton" <rlaxton@rogers.com> > To: "Jane Howard" <janemariehoward@hotmail.com>; > <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 6:59 PM > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Sarah Jessica Parker/"Who Do You Think You Are?" > > > > I have been watching the interchange, between people who watched the > > Sarah Jessica Parker episode of who do you think you are, American > > version. > > Several points stand out. It seems to me that the there is a fundamental > > difference in cultures in America and Britain.For instance, while engaging > > in my own research in Britain, I was amazed to find out for instance, that > > a > > lot of Church records/ documents were removed from churches such as St. > > Marys' in Ecclesfield, during at least one of it's battles with France. > > These same documents were then sent to France to the the mother house > > (they > > are still there to this day)...why is this imformation revelant? because, > > I > > was looking for records of my own ancestors, who were definitely English. > > While in Britain, the history of the country and documents pertaining to > > ancestry are writ large. In America which is such a young country by > > comparison; a lot of people do not know who their ancestors are past their > > grandparents. The documents to prove the connections were not available > > (until lately) to the general public. > > It is interesting that as in Britain the people being showcased on > > these Ancestry Programmes are somewhat famous...the average person in > > America does not have the funds to find the information for their own > > ancestors to the degree that more prominent people can . Also the U.S.A. > > is > > a huge place in comparison to England. Unlike most of my ancestors who > > stayed within the boundaries of Ecclesfield for hundreds of years, it is > > much more likely that Americans lost their early roots when they left > > England, Europe or wherever they came from. I do not think that their > > Ancestry was much on their minds in the early days as a huge number of > > people who entered America did so within certain time frames, and in a lot > > of cases, without the benefit of being able to speak English and in a > > survival mode. > > My husband's family was a case in point. His ancestry centered around > > a family who came in from Poland in the early 1920's. They left with only > > their clothes, being refugees... His Grandfather was from Romania. he > > entered the Port of New York with his father, who spoke no English. My > > husnband's Grandfather was a Talmudic scholar in Budapest, but ended up as > > a > > farmer in Saskatchewan... The person in authority at the Port of New York, > > asked my husband's Grandfather his name. He replied 'Herchel Lazar > > Cohen'. > > His name was misheard and then fore shortened to 'Herchel > > Lazaresko'...soon > > after arriving in New York, the family decided to take advantage of free > > land in Saskatchewan Canada...a place named 'Goose Lake' as there were no > > other people around except for the indigenous population, who incidently > > kept the family alive, the name Goose Lake was appropriate... there were > > only a handful of families who had travelled to that destination, and had > > no > > skills or knowledge to survive the terrible winters inherent in > > Saskatchewan...They later moved to Saskatoon Saskatchewan and from there > > to > > Toronto Canada... If you could withold judgement I am pretty sure you will > > see the episode where Lisa Kudrow, discovers her own ancestors past, > > particularly heart rending...This episode made me weep...quite a few > > immigrants did not want their identities known for fear of reprisals > > within > > the communities where they had to live, in the New World, and because they > > also feared reprisals on those family members left behind... The old > > saying > > that New York was a melting pot, was perfectly true. Fighting between > > different immigrant groups was legendary. > > The search for ancestors in America is only now being approached in > > any meaningful way. Too many times becuase of their ancestry having > > originated in foreign lands, it involves multiple venues of research must > > be > > consulted. In poland it was thought for a long time that all Jewish > > history > > had been erased. It has now come to light that docuements were in many > > cases > > hidden by the local population who did this at great risk.While the > > British > > trot off to the local record offices and London to the Pro etc etc.( And I > > include myself among this group), the records in Canada and America are a > > lot more spread out and harder to find. I think if you are patient with > > the > > programmes, you will find it worthwhile. Also keep in mind that while > > America and England are suppsoed to speak the same language there mores, > > attitudes and life experiences are much different. I have lived in England > > half my life, and the other half in America and Canada, and the older I > > get > > the more I realize how different the countries are. One last thought, re > > Sarah Jessica Parker, I very much doubt that she would have been able to > > find her heritage so easily, if she had not had the means to be able to do > > so...Kindest regrads, Josephine M. Laxton Ontario Canada. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jane Howard" <janemariehoward@hotmail.com> > > To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:27 AM > > Subject: [SHEFF] Sarah Jessica Parker/"Who Do You Think You Are?" > > > > > >> > >> Americans are a "quick-fix society?" Gotta love these generalizations... > >> > >> > >> > >> In any case, as far as this program goes, there is just one hour > > (including commercials) to get the story across out of the dozens of hours > > spent conducting the actual research. I think the whole point of these > > episodes is to give people an idea of what can be found about our > > ancestors > > and the part they may have played in American History. > >> > >> > >> > >> As far as documentation, census records were clearly shown along with > > actual correspondence from one of the friends reporting on the death of > > SJP's ancestor in the gold fields. There was also the deed to the actual > > claim. As far as the Salem Witch Trials, there were court documents cited > > just for starters. Of course there isn't going to be time to give > > microfilm/page numbers and other source material, but it gave viewers an > > idea of what kinds of records are out there to be gleaned. > >> > >> > >> > >> Would I have liked to have seen more on the actual research process? Of > > course. However, I think the main aim of this series was entertainment, > > as > > is with all television, and there is a history lesson thrown in to boot. > > Furthermore, who knows how many people will have been bitten by the > > genealogy bug that prompts them to undertake a search of their own roots - > > a > > search that, who knows, might end up providing to a long lost relative YOU > > have been trying to find? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Jane M. 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I have been watching the interchange, between people who watched the Sarah Jessica Parker episode of who do you think you are, American version. Several points stand out. It seems to me that the there is a fundamental difference in cultures in America and Britain.For instance, while engaging in my own research in Britain, I was amazed to find out for instance, that a lot of Church records/ documents were removed from churches such as St. Marys' in Ecclesfield, during at least one of it's battles with France. These same documents were then sent to France to the the mother house (they are still there to this day)...why is this imformation revelant? because, I was looking for records of my own ancestors, who were definitely English. While in Britain, the history of the country and documents pertaining to ancestry are writ large. In America which is such a young country by comparison; a lot of people do not know who their ancestors are past their grandparents. The documents to prove the connections were not available (until lately) to the general public. It is interesting that as in Britain the people being showcased on these Ancestry Programmes are somewhat famous...the average person in America does not have the funds to find the information for their own ancestors to the degree that more prominent people can . Also the U.S.A. is a huge place in comparison to England. Unlike most of my ancestors who stayed within the boundaries of Ecclesfield for hundreds of years, it is much more likely that Americans lost their early roots when they left England, Europe or wherever they came from. I do not think that their Ancestry was much on their minds in the early days as a huge number of people who entered America did so within certain time frames, and in a lot of cases, without the benefit of being able to speak English and in a survival mode. My husband's family was a case in point. His ancestry centered around a family who came in from Poland in the early 1920's. They left with only their clothes, being refugees... His Grandfather was from Romania. he entered the Port of New York with his father, who spoke no English. My husnband's Grandfather was a Talmudic scholar in Budapest, but ended up as a farmer in Saskatchewan... The person in authority at the Port of New York, asked my husband's Grandfather his name. He replied 'Herchel Lazar Cohen'. His name was misheard and then fore shortened to 'Herchel Lazaresko'...soon after arriving in New York, the family decided to take advantage of free land in Saskatchewan Canada...a place named 'Goose Lake' as there were no other people around except for the indigenous population, who incidently kept the family alive, the name Goose Lake was appropriate... there were only a handful of families who had travelled to that destination, and had no skills or knowledge to survive the terrible winters inherent in Saskatchewan...They later moved to Saskatoon Saskatchewan and from there to Toronto Canada... If you could withold judgement I am pretty sure you will see the episode where Lisa Kudrow, discovers her own ancestors past, particularly heart rending...This episode made me weep...quite a few immigrants did not want their identities known for fear of reprisals within the communities where they had to live, in the New World, and because they also feared reprisals on those family members left behind... The old saying that New York was a melting pot, was perfectly true. Fighting between different immigrant groups was legendary. The search for ancestors in America is only now being approached in any meaningful way. Too many times becuase of their ancestry having originated in foreign lands, it involves multiple venues of research must be consulted. In poland it was thought for a long time that all Jewish history had been erased. It has now come to light that docuements were in many cases hidden by the local population who did this at great risk.While the British trot off to the local record offices and London to the Pro etc etc.( And I include myself among this group), the records in Canada and America are a lot more spread out and harder to find. I think if you are patient with the programmes, you will find it worthwhile. Also keep in mind that while America and England are suppsoed to speak the same language there mores, attitudes and life experiences are much different. I have lived in England half my life, and the other half in America and Canada, and the older I get the more I realize how different the countries are. One last thought, re Sarah Jessica Parker, I very much doubt that she would have been able to find her heritage so easily, if she had not had the means to be able to do so...Kindest regrads, Josephine M. Laxton Ontario Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Howard" <janemariehoward@hotmail.com> To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 10:27 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Sarah Jessica Parker/"Who Do You Think You Are?" > > Americans are a "quick-fix society?" Gotta love these generalizations... > > > > In any case, as far as this program goes, there is just one hour (including commercials) to get the story across out of the dozens of hours spent conducting the actual research. I think the whole point of these episodes is to give people an idea of what can be found about our ancestors and the part they may have played in American History. > > > > As far as documentation, census records were clearly shown along with actual correspondence from one of the friends reporting on the death of SJP's ancestor in the gold fields. There was also the deed to the actual claim. As far as the Salem Witch Trials, there were court documents cited just for starters. Of course there isn't going to be time to give microfilm/page numbers and other source material, but it gave viewers an idea of what kinds of records are out there to be gleaned. > > > > Would I have liked to have seen more on the actual research process? Of course. However, I think the main aim of this series was entertainment, as is with all television, and there is a history lesson thrown in to boot. Furthermore, who knows how many people will have been bitten by the genealogy bug that prompts them to undertake a search of their own roots - a search that, who knows, might end up providing to a long lost relative YOU have been trying to find? > > > > > Jane M. Howard > > Pets are NOT disposable! > > Spay, Neuter, Adopt! > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. 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Americans are a "quick-fix society?" Gotta love these generalizations... In any case, as far as this program goes, there is just one hour (including commercials) to get the story across out of the dozens of hours spent conducting the actual research. I think the whole point of these episodes is to give people an idea of what can be found about our ancestors and the part they may have played in American History. As far as documentation, census records were clearly shown along with actual correspondence from one of the friends reporting on the death of SJP's ancestor in the gold fields. There was also the deed to the actual claim. As far as the Salem Witch Trials, there were court documents cited just for starters. Of course there isn't going to be time to give microfilm/page numbers and other source material, but it gave viewers an idea of what kinds of records are out there to be gleaned. Would I have liked to have seen more on the actual research process? Of course. However, I think the main aim of this series was entertainment, as is with all television, and there is a history lesson thrown in to boot. Furthermore, who knows how many people will have been bitten by the genealogy bug that prompts them to undertake a search of their own roots - a search that, who knows, might end up providing to a long lost relative YOU have been trying to find? Jane M. Howard Pets are NOT disposable! Spay, Neuter, Adopt! _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2

Maybe I'm too easily pleased but I enjoyed the programme touching as it did on two major historical events in U.S. history. It's easy to pick fault with it but it was entertaining in spite of all the "wows". I would just like to know why the letter from El Dorado was held there and not in the family archive in Ohio ? Or would that spoil a good story ? Cheers from Frank in dry but not sunny Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Chatterton" <junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens" <m.gorrell@aiic.net>; <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Who do you think you are US Version > Hi Magdalena > > I realise it was telling a story and they dont want to bore TV audiences > but they did nort give of the background to the research like where ir > came from, as we know we have to name our resources. The reseachers just > produced a piece of paper with some info . I dont think it gave a true > feeling or what is involved in family history. > > Obviously we are entitled to our own opinion and I respect yours. > > June Chatterton > A Sheffielder for 57 years > UK > > Tracing family names of > BENSON/BENNISON, BRADFORD, CHATTERTON, FIELDSEND, GILLESPIE and variants, > HAWLEY, KENN(E)Y, LEMONS & MITCHELL > www.junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2936 - Release Date: 06/13/10 20:45:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2936 - Release Date: 06/13/10 20:45:00

________________________________________ From: (gst) M L Cleeve Sent: 14 June 2010 12:07 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SHEFF] Who do you think you are US Version Hi everyone I particularly enjoyed seeing the building of the New England Genealogical Society (I think that's what it was), learning a bit about the 1849 Gold Rush and the Salem witch trials (I've never had to investigate those in my ancestor hunting!) and also seeing a bit of Cincinnati (I'm never likely to go there). So all in all, although SJP's script seemed a bit limited, I found her enthusiasm, and that of the archivists (who seem to look alike the world over) enjoyable. Marigold (Cleeve) Loughborough ________________________________________ AIIC.MAIL - A service of the International Association of Conference Interpreters to Members --- http://www.aiic.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Magdalena I realise it was telling a story and they dont want to bore TV audiences but they did nort give of the background to the research like where ir came from, as we know we have to name our resources. The reseachers just produced a piece of paper with some info . I dont think it gave a true feeling or what is involved in family history. Obviously we are entitled to our own opinion and I respect yours. June Chatterton A Sheffielder for 57 years UK Tracing family names of BENSON/BENNISON, BRADFORD, CHATTERTON, FIELDSEND, GILLESPIE and variants, HAWLEY, KENN(E)Y, LEMONS & MITCHELL www.junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk

Hi Sheffielders, I can't resist a comment from the east side of the BIG POND, Washington State, that is. All of you are most accurate in your assessments of said program. Please remember one thing - the USA is a "quick fix" society. From fast meals to Ancestry.com, an American wants service right now. Case in point - if you have been an Ancestry subscriber for more than a few years, you will notice quite a change. The emphasis is no longer on resources and documentation, but on give me a little more info and Ancestry will give you the answer. Its all meant to attract for the purpose of making money. For an American, all of the episodes were good, but each left the impression that one institution or another would help you if only you would use them [and to use them means joining or subscribing]. So you know, in addition to doing Bingham family genealogy, as a hobby, I'm a retired professional historian who has lived in The Lucky County and can see the USA as an outsider. Cheers, Donna Bingham Munger ________________________________ From: Frank Turner <frank@cyberscotia.com> To: June Chatterton <junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk>; Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens <m.gorrell@aiic.net>; eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, June 14, 2010 5:51:48 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Who do you think you are US Version Maybe I'm too easily pleased but I enjoyed the programme touching as it did on two major historical events in U.S. history. It's easy to pick fault with it but it was entertaining in spite of all the "wows". I would just like to know why the letter from El Dorado was held there and not in the family archive in Ohio ? Or would that spoil a good story ? Cheers from Frank in dry but not sunny Scotland ----- Original Message ----- From: "June Chatterton" <junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk> To: "Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens" <m.gorrell@aiic.net>; <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Who do you think you are US Version > Hi Magdalena > > I realise it was telling a story and they dont want to bore TV audiences > but they did nort give of the background to the research like where ir > came from, as we know we have to name our resources. The reseachers just > produced a piece of paper with some info . I dont think it gave a true > feeling or what is involved in family history. > > Obviously we are entitled to our own opinion and I respect yours. > > June Chatterton > A Sheffielder for 57 years > UK > > Tracing family names of > BENSON/BENNISON, BRADFORD, CHATTERTON, FIELDSEND, GILLESPIE and variants, > HAWLEY, KENN(E)Y, LEMONS & MITCHELL > www.junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2936 - Release Date: 06/13/10 20:45:00 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2936 - Release Date: 06/13/10 20:45:00 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am sorry June was disappointed in the showing of the first US version of WDYTYA: > I was very disappoined in the first episode and felt it wast just someone telling SJP a story. We know that people in the background do all the work but at least in the UK versions it shows the clebs and going to archives, churches and graveyards. And you can see that they are genuinely affected by it all. > Lets hope the following episodes improve. Of course, it was telling SJP a story - isn't that what all these programmes are, whether UK or USA? The people who are highlighted are only chosen celebrities in order to get the TV audiences, but they are people like you and me who are looking precisely for the (his)story of their families. In this case, SJP did visit archives and, quite honestly, she didn't pretend to be doing the lookups herself - we saw her speaking to the researchers and the historians themselves who, in my opinion, were honestly given recognition for their work, as opposed to the nameless "helpers" in the UK version. As to whether SJP was "genuinely affected" by what she learnt - of course she was. This is just another example of the culture gap that separates both sides of the big pond. For a young woman brought up in the great Midwest, probably in a relatively small community (and there are no smaller communities than those that are formed around an ethnicity (in her case German) in a large city (Cincinnati, in her case), to find out that one ancestor was actually involved in the Gold Rush and that another, actually accused of witchcraft in Salem MA, is unbelievable. Both of these historical events loom very large in American history, both past and present, and feature greatly in the American imaginarium. This truly was the family (his)story of a young woman and, to me, much more interesting in the telling than the fact that she, coincidentally, was a celebrity. I was pleasantly surprised at the program and look forward to seeing the next ones. Magdalena AIIC.MAIL - A service of the International Association of Conference Interpreters to Members --- http://www.aiic.net

I was very disappoined in the first episode and felt it wast just someone telling SJP a story. We know that people in the background do all the work but at least in the UK versions it shows the clebs and going to archives, churches and graveyards. And you can see that they are genuinely affected by it all. Lets hope the following episodes improve. June Chatterton A Sheffielder for 57 years UK Tracing family names of BENSON/BENNISON, BRADFORD, CHATTERTON, FIELDSEND, GILLESPIE and variants, HAWLEY, KENN(E)Y, LEMONS & MITCHELL www.junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk

In a message dated 14/06/2010 07:06:28 GMT Daylight Time, junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk writes: I was very disappointed in the first episode and felt it was just someone telling SJP a story. We know that people in the background do all the work but at least in the UK versions it shows the clebs and going to archives, churches and graveyards. And you can see that they are genuinely affected by it all. Lets hope the following episodes improve. Hi, I too was rather disappointed because I felt that there could have been so much more in the story. It didn't show you enough of the search and Jessica Parker's language was rather limited to strong expletives of the same three words. Perhaps the next one will be better. JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com/) Elkington@rootsweb.com _www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html_ (http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html)

Hello there – new to the list and think I have finally found my Yorkshire ancestors, knew they were there somewhere! Have a quandary and would be grateful if anyone can assist or guide me to a conclusion? Have John BATES (aged 28 and noted as a bricklayer) and family emigrating to Australia on board the “United Kingdom” in 1844. Family were Mary Ann 28 (Nee WALLER) born Sheffield, Yorkshire abt 1815, Alice Elizabeth Bates 3 yrs born Dublin (no luck finding that) and Emma Bates born Yorkshire 7 months. John stated he was born Flintshire but have had no luck finding his birth there. In the records there are testimonials for John from a parish clerk in Denbighshire, a surgeon John … Lewis, Sheffield. Then there are householders certifying character Peter Moore, Orange St Sheffield, John Eyre Talbot St Sheffield and his employer was Thomas Hickson, Trinity St Sheffield. His clergyman was from St Mary’s Sheffield. Can’t find a marriage for John Bates and Mary Ann Waller although there is one for a Mary Ann Waller in Manchester Dec ¼ 1839 with a John Hughes on the same page – have requested that from the GRO. That may well be a mistranscription and be John Bates. Now I have the birth cert for Emma Bates (born May 1843 in Sheffield) and it gives the name of John Bates and Mary Ann Bates nee Waller as the parents and that they were living in Joiner Lane. John’s occupation is noted as “sugar refiner” Did a census search and have found a Bates family in 1841 in Joiner Lane – not John but a Joseph (60), Sarah (55) and a James (25). My questions, if anyone has managed to get this far, are: 1 Do the names or addresses of any of the men who gave testimonials ring a bell with anyone that might give me a clue as to what John did for a living and how/why he might have been assisted to come to Australia? 2 What might a sugar refiner be doing in Sheffield? 3 Does the name Waller ring any bells with Sheffield people at all? Sorry this sounds a bit fuzzy – but hope someone out there may have some ideas Best wishes and thanks Meegan Ipswich, Qld

Looking forward to warching the start of the USA version of Who do you think you are tomorrow night at 9.15 Then of course we will have th UK version starting soon after. June Chatterton A Sheffielder for 57 years UK Tracing family names of BENSON/BENNISON, BRADFORD, CHATTERTON, FIELDSEND, GILLESPIE and variants, HAWLEY, KENN(E)Y, LEMONS & MITCHELL www.junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk

Hi Meegan, I was just looking at the entries for baptisms on "Sheffield Indexers" site and found something rather odd. I entered Mary Ann Waller to see if her baptism would come up and one did. But at a later time period than expected. The mothers name was Alice. So I thought I would try just entering Waller with a mother of Alice. This is what came up. Waller, Emma England (of Sheffield, born 1813-09-25). Baptised September 21, 1834, by Wm Carter at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield. Parents name(s) are Alice & Benjamin (Smith). Note: . Similar Date Baptised Same Household if Available Surname Match if Available Waller, Frank (of Sheffield, born 1817-06-26). Baptised May 7, 1834, by E Goodwin at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield. Parents name(s) are Alice & Benjamin (Blacksmith). Note: . Similar Date Baptised Same Household if Available Surname Match if Available Waller, Mary Ann (of Sheffield, born 1835-08-11). Baptised August 21, 1836, by W F Wilkinson at Sheffield Parish Church, Church Street, Sheffield. Parents name(s) are Alice & Benjamin (Blacksmith). Note: . Similar Date Baptised Same Household if Available Surname Match if Available Emma and Frank were born to the same parents but back in 1813 & 1817. Your Mary Ann Would fit right in the middle nicely. I just wonder.........could the Mary Ann above have not been baptised as a baby for some reason and just prior to marriage would have been baptised.? Could John Bates have also been in the Army and moved around. There was a Sugar refinery in Sheffield at that time. If you check out the 1841 census on Sheffield Indexers and just put in sugar refiner under occupations two other names pop up. The four men that vouched for him were all in Sheffield and on the 1841 census. Hope I am not leading you astray but it seems there could be a link. Elaine Pickard Sheffield Indexers Site Admin. www.SheffieldIndexers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meegan and Chris Ferguson" <chris.meegan@harboursat.com.au> To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Cc: <shamwari@gmail.com> Sent: June 12, 2010 8:14 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Waller and BATES families - assisted passage Hello there - new to the list and think I have finally found my Yorkshire ancestors, knew they were there somewhere! Have a quandary and would be grateful if anyone can assist or guide me to a conclusion? Have John BATES (aged 28 and noted as a bricklayer) and family emigrating to Australia on board the "United Kingdom" in 1844. Family were Mary Ann 28 (Nee WALLER) born Sheffield, Yorkshire abt 1815, Alice Elizabeth Bates 3 yrs born Dublin (no luck finding that) and Emma Bates born Yorkshire 7 months. John stated he was born Flintshire but have had no luck finding his birth there. In the records there are testimonials for John from a parish clerk in Denbighshire, a surgeon John . Lewis, Sheffield. Then there are householders certifying character Peter Moore, Orange St Sheffield, John Eyre Talbot St Sheffield and his employer was Thomas Hickson, Trinity St Sheffield. His clergyman was from St Mary's Sheffield. Can't find a marriage for John Bates and Mary Ann Waller although there is one for a Mary Ann Waller in Manchester Dec ¼ 1839 with a John Hughes on the same page - have requested that from the GRO. That may well be a mistranscription and be John Bates. Now I have the birth cert for Emma Bates (born May 1843 in Sheffield) and it gives the name of John Bates and Mary Ann Bates nee Waller as the parents and that they were living in Joiner Lane. John's occupation is noted as "sugar refiner" Did a census search and have found a Bates family in 1841 in Joiner Lane - not John but a Joseph (60), Sarah (55) and a James (25). My questions, if anyone has managed to get this far, are: 1 Do the names or addresses of any of the men who gave testimonials ring a bell with anyone that might give me a clue as to what John did for a living and how/why he might have been assisted to come to Australia? 2 What might a sugar refiner be doing in Sheffield? 3 Does the name Waller ring any bells with Sheffield people at all? Sorry this sounds a bit fuzzy - but hope someone out there may have some ideas Best wishes and thanks Meegan Ipswich, Qld ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to Peter, Ann, Elaine and Angela for your prompt and helpful replies. Much appreciated. Glenda

The record reads as follows. 18th June 1816. Henry son of John & Abigail ATLEY of Heslington by S.J. The christening was at Heslington. I can only assume that S.J. were the initials of the incumbant. Angela Treweek _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now

Good afternoon all, I rarely find any new info on my Atley's..but turned this reference up on Ancestry. It looks like the birth/Christening of Henry and parents are John and Abigail. Curious about the S.J.?? If someone with a subscription could have a look please, I would be most grateful Many thanks, Glenda Yorkshire, England, Extracted Parish Records Birth, Marriage & Death Name: Henry John Abigail Atley S. J. Birth: year Vital: date - Yorkshire, England Vital: location

Hello Glenda Do you have a date for this baptismal record? And have you seen the 3 ATLEY burials on Sheffield Indexers? Also the school admission of Mary Atley? Regards ~ Ann On 08/06/2010 11:12:38, glenda (atleyg@cytanet.com.cy) wrote: > Good afternoon all, > > I rarely find any new info on my > Atley's..but turned this reference up on Ancestry. It looks like the birth/Christening of Henry and parents are John and Abigail. Curious about the S.J.?? > > If someone with a subscription could have a look please, I would be most grateful > > Many thanks, Glenda > > > > > Yorkshire, England, Extracted Parish Records > Birth, Marriage & Death > > Name: Henry John Abigail Atley S. J. > Birth: year > Vital: date - Yorkshire, England > Vital: location > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message