.......................... STANDARD POODLES..................... This is not a request, but some people like me are stuck on their families, so i thought i would tell u about 1 of my conundrums that i finally solved. A baby cyril hodkin came up & no one could put him anywhere,until i found he was in same grave as my grandmother who died young. Works out cyril would have been my uncle & was twin to my uncle bernard hodkin.Mom & baby died within days of each other & bernard had severe heart problems & he also died quite young. I can get quite weepy when i read some of the things that happened back then. All those kids they had etc.,etc., cheers shawn

Hi Dave In answer to your above brick wall: There are two deaths registered in Sheffield for a Timothy Millington Sep Q 1849 and Dec Q 1852 Also a death registered for Thomas Henry Millington in Mar Q 1858 Could this be Charlotte Ann living in Leeds in 1851? Prince David Head Married M 28 1823 Bricklayers Labourer b. Seacroft Yorkshire Prince Elenor Wife Married F 26 1825 b. Knaresborough Yorkshire Millington Charlotte Ann Lodger Unmarried F 16 1835 Flax Spinner b. Sheffield Yorkshire RGHO107 Piece 22320 Folio 845 Page 18 No sign of Mary Ann or Roger, though, on the 1851 Census, after trying all possible variations, etc. I notice they are mistranscribed as Willington on the 1861 Census! Hope the above helps. Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Hinde" <dwh123@charter.net> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 3:36 AM Subject: [SHEFF] MILLINGTON 1851 Brick Wall? > Hi All: > > I dunno if this is a Brick Wall, a heavily-reinforced Concrete Wall, > or just a tiny obstacle that my feeble efforts can't seem to get > around, but I'm hoping that fresh eyes (and fresh brains!) may be > able to find the solution... > > Here's my problem: Timothy MILLINGTON Jr was born and baptised in > Sheffield in 1802, son of Timothy (a Hatter, b abt 1772 Dore, DBY, d > Nov 1839 Sheffield) and Sarah (nee SAMPSON, b abt 1770 YKS, d. 1843 > Sheffield) Millington. In 1827 he married Charlotte HURNING in > Bolsover, Derbyshire, and their union produced at least 4 children, > all baptised at the old Sheffield Parish Church - Timothy William, b > Jan 1829, Thomas Henry, b Dec 1830, James Frederick, b 1832, and > Charlotte Ann, b 1834. > > Then the genealogical fog, akin to Sheffield's accumulating > industrial smoke of the era, begins to settle on this family... > > A Roger MILLINGTON, b 28 Apr 1839, bapt 5 Jun 1839 in Sheffield, son > of Ann & Timothy Millington, Hatter shows up (the birth cert is on > order, but not yet here) on the Parish Church PR, and wife Charlotte > disappears from sight - no death or burial for her has yet been > discovered. A portion of the family can be found in 1841 > (mistranscribed as RUTTINGHE, on Ancestry) at Haymarket, Sheffield: > Timothy, 39, Hatter; Timothy William, 10: Charlotte, 8; and Mare > (sic) Ann GOLDEN, 25. Please note: no Roger, age 1 or 2 - but wait... > > Another birth (cert in hand) shows up in Sep 1843 - Mary Ann GOULDEN, > daughter of Mary Ann MILLINGTON, formerly GOULDEN, and Timothy > MILLINGTON, Hatter, Father, at 21 Haymarket, Sheffield. And in Apr > 1844, in Leeds (cert in hand) the knot is formally tied: Timothy M, > widower, Hatter, married Mary Ann G, spinster. (Subsequent research > shows that mother Mary Ann was the daughter of John & Mary Ann > Goulden, bapt 31 Jan 1813, Sheffield Parish Church). > > My latest sighting of Timothy the Hatter is in Slater's 1846 > directory of Sheffield, when he's at 21 Pond St. When Charlotte Ann > (remember her? 8 on the 1841 census.) married John Wesley RIGBY in > Sheff in 1860, her father Timothy is shown as dead. Yet I find no > death registration for him in the West Riding 1846-1861. > > So my Big Question is, where is this family in 1851? From subsequent > census returns, I know that Charlotte, mother Mary Ann, and Roger > were definitively alive in 1851. (Daughter Mary Ann, b 1843, may > have died Sep 1/4 1847 in Sheff, but I haven't pursued that > yet.) Mary Ann should be 37 or so (based on 1861 & 1871 returns), > Charlotte Ann 17 or 18, and Roger 11 or 12. And father Timothy, who > I think was still alive then - Mary Ann had another child, another > Timothy William, in 1853 - should be 48 or 49. > > Any questions, comments, or SOLUTIONS would be welcome. > > Thanks for reading, > > Dave > in northern Illinois > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, No doubt you are aware that Timothy Millington, hat manufacturer, formerly of Holly Street, died Saturday November 23rd, aged 66, according to *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent published on* Saturday, November 30, 1839, and that by his will he bequeathed the interest of his will, namely £300 to be paid annually by his executors to the minister of St Phillips Church, in Sheffield (in this town are the actual words)for the benefit of the British and Foreign Bible Society as long as it exists. In 1842, young Timothy Millington was living in the Haymarket, Sheffield as a Hatter, as he was on the list of people from who the magistrates could choose as being constables. (*NOMINATION OF CONSTABLES UNDER THE NEW ACT *. *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent* (Sheffield, England), Saturday, September 24, 1842) According to the *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent* (Sheffield, England), Saturday, April 22, 1843; Timothy Millington was appointed as a special constable by the Sheffield Leet court-he was then living in King Street. There is a marriage of a Timothy Millington Coggin to a Mrs Pamela Marshall at the Parish church of Rotherham on 16th October, 1850, but is that yours do you think? (*Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries *. *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent* Saturday, October 19, 1850; pg. 5; ) However, like you, after 1843, all references to Timothy Millington Hatter fade from view. My search in the 19th century British Newspapers available maybe from your local library, or if in Illinois, join a British library online and they will send you details of how to get onlne with them. I went with Lancashire library as it pays for The Times online, 1785 to 1985 as well. I am sure that you can join from USA. John * *

Christine writes: >There are two deaths registered in Sheffield for a Timothy Millington >Sep Q 1849 and Dec Q 1852 Thanks, Christine - either one is a possibility, but I'll hold off getting certs until I (hopefully) have further definitive information about Timothy's whereabouts after 1846. Those early indexes of death certs unfortunately don't provide the purported age at death, and even that often can be more than a bit dicey. >Also a death registered for Thomas Henry Millington in Mar Q 1858 Most likely that's Timothy's and Charlotte's (HURNING) son, b 20 Dec 1830. But that still leads to the question, where was the rest of this family in 1851??? You and Margaret Day have kindly found Charlotte Ann Millington in Leeds in 1851, prior to her marriage to John Wesley RIGBY in 1860, and I've tracked her down through the birth of their son Arthur Wesley Millington RIGBY in 1862 and her early death in 1867. I've also tracked John Wesley and John Wesley & Charlotte's son Arthur Rigby up through 1901. But Mary Ann MILLINGTON (nee GOULDEN), 25 in 1841, 47 in '61, and Roger, b 1839, 21 in '61, remain elusive in 1851. Thanks for all the help, folks! Slowly but surely the picture emerges. Dave

John Readman writes: >In 1842, young Timothy Millington was living in the Haymarket, Sheffield as >a Hatter, as he was on the list of people from who the magistrates could >choose as being constables. (*NOMINATION OF CONSTABLES UNDER THE NEW ACT *. >*The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent* (Sheffield, England), Saturday, >September 24, 1842) > >According to the *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent* (Sheffield, >England), Saturday, April 22, 1843; Timothy Millington was appointed as a >special constable by the Sheffield Leet court-he was then living in King >Street. Thanks for those, John! >There is a marriage of a Timothy Millington Coggin to a Mrs Pamela >Marshall at the Parish church of Rotherham on 16th October, 1850, but is >that yours do you think? (*Births, Deaths, Marriages and Obituaries *. >*The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent* Saturday, October 19, 1850; pg. 5; ) Sure is... In fact, anyone named xxxxxx Millington COGGIN in the Sheffield area is likely to be a descendant of my 3XGGrandparents Mary MILLINGTON and Thomas COGGIN Jr, who married 1 Nov 1812 in the old Sheffield Parish Church. Timothy Millington COGGIN was a Horn Cutter, b abt 1823, d Jun 1/4 1874 in Sheffield RD. Pamela died a bit earlier, Dec 1/4 1866, age 36. A short life - I hope it was a happy one! Dave in northern Illinois

Hi Dave, Your missing a bride..... Ann Eyre. Do you have the Cd's from SDFHS for Cathedral Baptisms & Marriages I can't remember if you do or dont. Elaine in Ottawa. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hinde Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 10:36 PM To: ENG-SHEFFIELD@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] MILLINGTON 1851 Brick Wall? Hi All: I dunno if this is a Brick Wall, a heavily-reinforced Concrete Wall, or just a tiny obstacle that my feeble efforts can't seem to get around, but I'm hoping that fresh eyes (and fresh brains!) may be able to find the solution... Here's my problem: Timothy MILLINGTON Jr was born and baptised in Sheffield in 1802, son of Timothy (a Hatter, b abt 1772 Dore, DBY, d Nov 1839 Sheffield) and Sarah (nee SAMPSON, b abt 1770 YKS, d. 1843 Sheffield) Millington. In 1827 he married Charlotte HURNING in Bolsover, Derbyshire, and their union produced at least 4 children, all baptised at the old Sheffield Parish Church - Timothy William, b Jan 1829, Thomas Henry, b Dec 1830, James Frederick, b 1832, and Charlotte Ann, b 1834. Then the genealogical fog, akin to Sheffield's accumulating industrial smoke of the era, begins to settle on this family... A Roger MILLINGTON, b 28 Apr 1839, bapt 5 Jun 1839 in Sheffield, son of Ann & Timothy Millington, Hatter shows up (the birth cert is on order, but not yet here) on the Parish Church PR, and wife Charlotte disappears from sight - no death or burial for her has yet been discovered. A portion of the family can be found in 1841 (mistranscribed as RUTTINGHE, on Ancestry) at Haymarket, Sheffield: Timothy, 39, Hatter; Timothy William, 10: Charlotte, 8; and Mare (sic) Ann GOLDEN, 25. Please note: no Roger, age 1 or 2 - but wait... Another birth (cert in hand) shows up in Sep 1843 - Mary Ann GOULDEN, daughter of Mary Ann MILLINGTON, formerly GOULDEN, and Timothy MILLINGTON, Hatter, Father, at 21 Haymarket, Sheffield. And in Apr 1844, in Leeds (cert in hand) the knot is formally tied: Timothy M, widower, Hatter, married Mary Ann G, spinster. (Subsequent research shows that mother Mary Ann was the daughter of John & Mary Ann Goulden, bapt 31 Jan 1813, Sheffield Parish Church). My latest sighting of Timothy the Hatter is in Slater's 1846 directory of Sheffield, when he's at 21 Pond St. When Charlotte Ann (remember her? 8 on the 1841 census.) married John Wesley RIGBY in Sheff in 1860, her father Timothy is shown as dead. Yet I find no death registration for him in the West Riding 1846-1861. So my Big Question is, where is this family in 1851? From subsequent census returns, I know that Charlotte, mother Mary Ann, and Roger were definitively alive in 1851. (Daughter Mary Ann, b 1843, may have died Sep 1/4 1847 in Sheff, but I haven't pursued that yet.) Mary Ann should be 37 or so (based on 1861 & 1871 returns), Charlotte Ann 17 or 18, and Roger 11 or 12. And father Timothy, who I think was still alive then - Mary Ann had another child, another Timothy William, in 1853 - should be 48 or 49. Any questions, comments, or SOLUTIONS would be welcome. Thanks for reading, Dave in northern Illinois ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.864 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3247 - Release Date: 11/09/10 14:34:00

Hi, As a small girl living in Sheffield, I have one or two rather vivid memories of the Sheffield Blitz. One was when my Uncle, on firewatch duties in the town centre, found a dead German in uniform in High Street. I suppose he must have fallen out of a plane on the bombing raid. Would he have been buried under his name, which I presume would have been on his dog-tag or just as an unknown German. Where would he have been buried. JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com/) Elkington@rootsweb.com _www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html_ (http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html)

Hi All: I dunno if this is a Brick Wall, a heavily-reinforced Concrete Wall, or just a tiny obstacle that my feeble efforts can't seem to get around, but I'm hoping that fresh eyes (and fresh brains!) may be able to find the solution... Here's my problem: Timothy MILLINGTON Jr was born and baptised in Sheffield in 1802, son of Timothy (a Hatter, b abt 1772 Dore, DBY, d Nov 1839 Sheffield) and Sarah (nee SAMPSON, b abt 1770 YKS, d. 1843 Sheffield) Millington. In 1827 he married Charlotte HURNING in Bolsover, Derbyshire, and their union produced at least 4 children, all baptised at the old Sheffield Parish Church - Timothy William, b Jan 1829, Thomas Henry, b Dec 1830, James Frederick, b 1832, and Charlotte Ann, b 1834. Then the genealogical fog, akin to Sheffield's accumulating industrial smoke of the era, begins to settle on this family... A Roger MILLINGTON, b 28 Apr 1839, bapt 5 Jun 1839 in Sheffield, son of Ann & Timothy Millington, Hatter shows up (the birth cert is on order, but not yet here) on the Parish Church PR, and wife Charlotte disappears from sight - no death or burial for her has yet been discovered. A portion of the family can be found in 1841 (mistranscribed as RUTTINGHE, on Ancestry) at Haymarket, Sheffield: Timothy, 39, Hatter; Timothy William, 10: Charlotte, 8; and Mare (sic) Ann GOLDEN, 25. Please note: no Roger, age 1 or 2 - but wait... Another birth (cert in hand) shows up in Sep 1843 - Mary Ann GOULDEN, daughter of Mary Ann MILLINGTON, formerly GOULDEN, and Timothy MILLINGTON, Hatter, Father, at 21 Haymarket, Sheffield. And in Apr 1844, in Leeds (cert in hand) the knot is formally tied: Timothy M, widower, Hatter, married Mary Ann G, spinster. (Subsequent research shows that mother Mary Ann was the daughter of John & Mary Ann Goulden, bapt 31 Jan 1813, Sheffield Parish Church). My latest sighting of Timothy the Hatter is in Slater's 1846 directory of Sheffield, when he's at 21 Pond St. When Charlotte Ann (remember her? 8 on the 1841 census.) married John Wesley RIGBY in Sheff in 1860, her father Timothy is shown as dead. Yet I find no death registration for him in the West Riding 1846-1861. So my Big Question is, where is this family in 1851? From subsequent census returns, I know that Charlotte, mother Mary Ann, and Roger were definitively alive in 1851. (Daughter Mary Ann, b 1843, may have died Sep 1/4 1847 in Sheff, but I haven't pursued that yet.) Mary Ann should be 37 or so (based on 1861 & 1871 returns), Charlotte Ann 17 or 18, and Roger 11 or 12. And father Timothy, who I think was still alive then - Mary Ann had another child, another Timothy William, in 1853 - should be 48 or 49. Any questions, comments, or SOLUTIONS would be welcome. Thanks for reading, Dave in northern Illinois

First time on the list for a few years. Is there anybody researching the names CAVILL, HEELEY, or HELLIWELL all from around the Ecclesall area. Fran Stewart >From Australia

Hi Fran I did some work on a HELLIWELL family from Birley Carr/ Grenoside area of Ecclesfield earlier this year because they were friends of my grandfather. Its not to hand but I think I could find it again. Who are you looking for? Peter -----Original Message----- From: Fran Stewart Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2010 9:02 AM To: eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SHEFF] ENG-SHEFFIELD Digest, Vol 5, Issue 122 First time on the list for a few years. Is there anybody researching the names CAVILL, HEELEY, or HELLIWELL all from around the Ecclesall area. Fran Stewart >From Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List Is there anyone out there with the 2 family names in there family history.They were married on 15th September 1850 his name was Thomas CHATTERTON her's was Martha HAWKSWORTH and they were married in Sheffield i'd love to know more if anyone has anymore information.Joyce

In a message dated 20/10/2010 19:34:46 GMT Daylight Time, robextra@hotmail.com writes: Alice was born on 28 Feb 1925 and died in October/November 1974. I have been to the Sheffield Archives to try to locate the grave but have been unsuccessful. There's no trace at either City cemetery or Burngreave. An uncle confirmed that she was buried and that the service was at Christ Church Fulwood. I have been to the church but the records office can find no trace of her in their burial records. Hi, Have you checked the Cremation Records at Hutcliffe Road crematorium, Sheffield. Even though her service was held at Fulwood Church, she may have been cremated afterwards, which is quite usual. Do you think that your uncle could have been mistaken. The graveyard at Fulwood has been full for sometime, I lived and worshipped there for 37 years, so many people were buried elsewhere. Why not contact Sheffield Bereavement Services and see if they know. _Bereavement.Service@sheffield.gov.uk_ (mailto:Bereavement.Service@sheffield.gov.uk) JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com/) Elkington@rootsweb.com _www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html_ (http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html)

Hi Rob, Most of the burial indexes we have only cover from when the church was opened until about 1903 ish These have been transcribed by Sheffield Family History Society and are available on CD as per their website. We at "Sheffield Indexers" transcribed City Road up to 1946 and are currently transcribing Burngreave and have reach 1899 with that one. Unfortunately 1974 is still very early as far as transcribing goes. They are on line free of charge by the way St Mary's Bramall Lane is the one you are thinking of but I believe they were not allowing more burials there at that time. I think the Archives would be the only place that could sort this one out for you. Elaine in Ottawa. http://www.sheffieldindexers.com -----Original Message----- From: Rob Pritchard Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 2:34 PM To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] Alice PAYNE (nee ROEBUCK) Good evening I'm new to this list and was hoping someone could help me to locate the grave of my aunt Alice PAYNE (nee ROEBUCK). Alice was born on 28 Feb 1925 and died in October/November 1974. I have been to the Sheffield Archives to try to locate the grave but have been unsuccessful. There's no trace at either City cemetery or Burngreave. An uncle confirmed that she was buried and that the service was at Christ Church Fulwood. I have been to the church but the records office can find no trace of her in their burial records. I do know that she was living in Lancing Road (round the corner from Bramhall Lane football ground). Maybe she's buried at a church nearby, but not knowing the area at that time don't know which one. Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank you in advance Rob ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3208 - Release Date: 10/20/10 02:34:00

Good evening I'm new to this list and was hoping someone could help me to locate the grave of my aunt Alice PAYNE (nee ROEBUCK). Alice was born on 28 Feb 1925 and died in October/November 1974. I have been to the Sheffield Archives to try to locate the grave but have been unsuccessful. There's no trace at either City cemetery or Burngreave. An uncle confirmed that she was buried and that the service was at Christ Church Fulwood. I have been to the church but the records office can find no trace of her in their burial records. I do know that she was living in Lancing Road (round the corner from Bramhall Lane football ground). Maybe she's buried at a church nearby, but not knowing the area at that time don't know which one. Any help would be greatly appreciated Thank you in advance Rob

Hello List!! I just wanted to let you all know that the Family History Day at Low Bradfield is being held this coming Sunday [24th October 2010]. Doors will be open from 10am to 4pm. Admission is free and refreshments will be available. There is a small car park at the village hall as well as on street parking in Low Bradfield and there is also a small car park in The Sands at the other side of the village green. Organisations that will be attending include: Bradfield Historical Society Friends of Bradfield Archives Friends of Wardsend Cemetery Great Sheffield Flood Ancestry Grenoside & District Local History Society Hillsborough & Owlerton Local History Group Sheffield & District Family History Society Stannington Local History Group Stocksbridge & District History Society Thurgoland Local History Group It is organised by the Bradfield Historical Society and further details can be obtained from Malcolm Nunn on telephone 0114 233 7463. I do hope some of you will be able to make it as it really is a great day out. If you do please make sure you come and say hello to me on the Sheffield Flood stall!! Best Wishes Karen

Hi Katie, You Will always find some help on the lists so welcome. JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com/) Elkington@rootsweb.com _www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html_ (http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html)

Hi all, just joined the list a few days back, so thought I would introduce myself. I'm Katie, aged 31, and I live in NE Wales. I have always known of my Yorkshire ancestry, as my father's line goes back to the 1820s in Hoyland; but I was also shocked to discover that my mother's paternal line traces back to North Yorkshire in the 1830s! I have been interested in researching my family tree ever since my teens, but have only been researching seriously for the last 2 years. Although I have never lived in Yorkshire, I consider it my spiritual home. Hope this list will be of help to me, and that I in turn will be able to help others. Katie

Dear listers, I am sorry to say that I have had a couple of computer crashes, fortunately correctable, but in the meantime I cannot complete the latest updating of the YKS Surnames List database. I have taken note of the requests for adding surnames, correcting entries and emails and I have made the necessary changes to the database. The only thing left for me to do is to upload the revised database to the net, which I will do as soon as I have my desktop computer back and everything is working again properly. In the meantime, you can still consult the YKS database without problem, please keep your requests coming and do bear with me! Regards, Magdalena -- MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS Member of Council for the Portugal Region AIIC - International Association of Conference Interpreters m.gorrell@aiic.net http://www.mgorrell.eu Membro da Direcção do SNATTI Sindicato Nacional da Actividade Turística Tradutores e Intérpretes http://www.snatti.org

In a message dated 30/09/2010 20:05:56 GMT Daylight Time, dalum@blueyonder.co.uk writes: The major work is the installation of a new ventilation system (they are probably calling it 'climate control' or something equally technologically impressive). They are also taking the opportunity to upgrade the cataloguing system. A significant proportion of the lengthy closure is for physically removing all the records, stock-taking as they go, and bringing them back afterwards. Hi, The only trouble is that I understand they are now splitting the systems for finding things. Won't it be a bit awkward when looking for something? JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com/) Elkington@rootsweb.com _www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html_ (http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html)

On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:03:59 +0100 "Hugh Waterhouse" <dalum@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: Hello Hugh, > The major work is the installation of a new ventilation system (they > are probably calling it 'climate control' or something equally Whatever's wrong with "Air Conditioning"? :-) > technologically impressive). They are also taking the opportunity to > upgrade the cataloguing system. A significant proportion of the > lengthy closure is for physically removing all the records, I'd have taken a guess at records being moved (for safety as much as anything else)... > stock-taking as they go, and bringing them back afterwards. ...but that hadn't occurred to me. It makes sense, of course. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" It's not your heart, it's your bank I want to break It's Yer Money - Wonder Stuff