Hi Pete, As a member of a Number of Rootsweb Mailing List and Three that I administer myself, I believe the reason the number of hits are down is because more information is available on line. I along with Tony Morton also administer "Sheffield Indexers" which allows you to do just that. That is precisely the reason for the site so you can search for yourself as many of us do not have access to Sheffield Archives and want to be able to do our own research. You mention New Row being at the corner of Parkside Road & Penistone Rd. On the 1841 census it states the Guites were living on New Row, Ecclesfield/Wadsley Hamlet. My question would be was that area of Penistone Rd classed as Wadsley Hamlet at that time?????? The reason I question it is that My paternal Grandparents (Smedley's) lived just round the corner facing Penistone Rd and along with a map I have from Sheffield archives dated 1850 revised 1900 and what I was always led to believe that area is called "Owlerton" Now to who owned the property. Maybe the Rates Books would help you to find out who the owners were. Not having spent much time looking at them 10 years ago I hope I am not leading you astray. Just a few thoughts that I hope help. By the way Pete if you click on reply all it will bring up the persons private e-mail address so you can still reply privately. Another annoying feature that I hate is the fact people who are not members say of Eng Sheffield but use Rootsweb Boards can post. Kindest regards. Elaine in Ottawa Sheffield Indexers http://www.sheffieldindexers.com -----Original Message----- From: Peter Lee Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 5:28 AM To: eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] re Sheffield Archives etc. I’ve tried three times to get a message accepted by the list since the replies to my original post. Lets hope this works! Thanks to all who replied to my original message. In particular, John, I would be delighted to exchange info on the BOWER family but I dont have much to offer! My BOWER connection is Hannah BOWER who I have as born 1806 who married William GUITE about 1831. I've had Hannah and her family on the back burner for quite a few years due to other priorities so I'm not that certain about her father but I have him as being Thomas but i have his wife as beingElizabeth Kimsworth not Ann Cox. I did all this in 2000 so there was not all that much on-line info available. This info was from the IGI. I would not be all that surprised to find a different Thomas somewhere! Angela, thanks for the info on the West Riding Registry of deeds. I’ve had a quick (very quick!) look at the site but have not found a searchable index yet. I’m slightly concerned that the property I am interested in which is New Row on the corner of Penistone Road and Park Side Road might have belonged to one of the great estates such as the Norfolk estate and thus no deeds would be deposited, if I understood the info page on the Wakefield site correctly. I am trying to get more info on the three houses in New Row that were occupied by GUITEs in 1841. I havwe to find out if they were all related and where they came from. Pauline, you very kindly sent me a copy of your paper on Middlewood some years ago. I’m going to have a look at your website after I’ve written this. As to why the list has not been very active; it could be down to competition from the Sheffield Indexers site as you suggest Angela or maybe people are moving on from the hobby or maybe because a lot of people reply directly to the poster, rather than via the list. This could be a technical issue because it used to be possible to chose to reply on list as the list came through as sender of the email. That does not seem to happen now. best wishes for 2011, Peter researching LEE, GUITE SENIOR CLAY SPEIRS BOWERS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3354 - Release Date: 01/02/11 02:34:00

HAPPY NEW YEAR! With my warmest wishes for much health, wealth, happiness and lots and lots of success in your genealogical endeavours, for 2011. For the first update of the year, we have two sets of deletions because the submitters' emails bounced. Please, remember to email me with your OLD as well as your new email address, each time you make a change. Send this information to: ykssurnames@yahoo.com. Bernice Garness (4) calladineb@aol.com Anne Blyth (1) ingrid.blyth@xtra.co.nz A few new names, including a contact for one that I have been personally seeking for ages: COUKELL GALE, GLOBE, GLOVER HARDY OUBRIDGE STRINGER THOMPSON WOMERSLEY Best regards to everyone, Magdalena ___________________________________________________ Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens List Administrator PLEASE NOTE: - For *all *communications regarding the YKS Surnames List, please address emails to: *ykssurnames@yahoo.com not* to the address from which this update is posted. Thank you. - For the Index to surnames on the YKS Surnames database and for instructions on how to submit surnames, go to: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ -- *MAGDALENA GORRELL GUIMARAENS* Member of Council for the Portugal Region *AIIC* - International Association of Conference Interpreters www.aiicportugal.pt prt-region-councilmembers@aiic.net<http://prt-region-councilmembers.aiic.net/> *MGG *m.gorrell@aiic.net http://www.mgorrell.eu Membro da Direcção Nacional do *SNATTI* Sindicato Nacional da Actividade Turística Tradutores e Intérpretes http://www.snatti.org AIIC Mail - A service provided by the International Association of Conference Interpreters --- http://aiic.net

Hello Peter. You can find details of the archives closure here, http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/libraries/archives-and-local-studies/archives-temporary-closure. The West Riding Registry of Deeds at Wakefield is were you will find details regarding property ownership. The records are indexed and cover Sheffield http://www.archives.wyjs.org.uk/wyjs-archives-w-r-registry-d.asp The other records that maybe of help are the Rate Books available at the local studies during the archives closure. The message board at www.sheffieldindexers.com is more active nowadays than this one. Kind Regards Angela Treweek

Hi, I remember seeing that the Archives are closed for refurbishment but that a limited service is available in the local studies library. Does anybody know whether this includes access to the sort of record that might include details of who owned properties in the Penistone road area at the beginning of the nineteenth century? The list seems very inactive these days in stark contrast to the Derbyshire list that I also subscribe to so I am taking the opportunity to restate my Sheffield interests and to wish everybody a very happy 2011. Peter Interests: Names: LEE, GUITE, SENIOR, GREAVES, CLAY, SPEIRS, or SPIERS, BOWER, Places: Middlewood Forge, about 1800, Birley Carr, Other interests; The companies Hides and Speirs, Nichols&Co,

forwarded to me, thought you all would like a laugh: he Twelve Days of Christmas On the first day of Christmas my true love said to me 'm glad we've bought a turkey and a proper Christmas tree. On the second day of Christmas much laughter could be heard s we tucked into our turkey - a most delicious bird. On the third day of Christmas we'd friends in from next door he turkey tasted just as good as on the day before. On the fourth day of Christmas Gran came, she's rather old. e finished up the Christmas pud and ate the turkey cold. On the fifth day of Christmas outside the snowflakes flurried ut we were nice and warm inside - we ate the turkey - curried. On the sixth day of Christmas the turkey spirit died. he children fought and bickered and we ate the turkey - fried. On the seventh day of Christmas my true love gave a winceWhen he sat own to dinner and was given turkey mince. On the eighth day of Christmas the dog ran off for shelter served up turkey pancakes and a glass of Alka Seltzer. On the ninth day of Christmas poor Dad began to cry e said he couldn't stand the strain of eating turkey pie. On the tenth day of Christmas the air was rather blue nd everybody grumbled at eating turkey stew. On the eleventh day of Christmas the Christmas tree was moulting ince pies as hard as rock and the turkey quite revolting. On the twelfth day of Christmas at last Dad smacked his lips he guests had gone, the turkey too - we dined on fish and chips! WISHING YOU ALL A WARM & SAFE MERRY CHRISTMAS! .... ncestors in Yorkshire? http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/index.html; ww.ryedalefamilyhistory.org; www.wharfedalefhg.org.uk; ww.yorkshireparishregisters.com; www.yorkshireroots.org.uk; ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to YORKSGEN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Melody, this was all I could find Magisterial Proceedings . The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent (Sheffield, England), Tuesday, November 26, 1861; pg. 3; Issue 2235. 19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II. Arresting a man for threatening behavior(posted as Police Constable Wolfsohn) Regards Jean

Hello--  I wonder if anyone has access to (or can point me to an online version of)  the  Sheffield Conduct and Commendation BooksWolf Wolfsohn, of  71 Malinda Terrace, Melinda Street, Sheffield,  was a constable in Sheffield from  1861-73. According to family lore, he was fined several times, as well as awarded  a special baton for catching a thief.   I would be VERY grateful if someone could look up entries mentioning Samuel Wolfsohn for me.   With kind regards, Melody Amsel-Arieli

-----Original Message----- From: Maureenpontefhs <maureenpontefhs@aol.com> To: WEST-RIDING@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 16:36 Subject: [WRY] Fwd: TANSHELF REUNION possible late Feb 2011 TANSHELF REUNION id you or do you know anyone that lived Down Tansh' ? If so, then we are trying o arrange a Reunion or sometime in the New Year, maybe end of February. anshelf was a housing estate built circa 1890 & sadly demolished circa 1972 - 974 now Pontefract ire Station & few industrial building are there now. The terrace houses were ainly 3 up, 3 down with utside loo's, but were modernised to have inside bathrooms. We had shops, cafe, arber's, chippy, wimming baths, Co-Op, Bakery, cinema & Alexander Theatre (later Bingo hall) oing my family research I have discovered so many of my ancestors lived down ansh' quite a lot oming in for work from Stafford & many other places. Many were miners at Prince f Wales olliery just down the road, or worked at the liquorice factory, Dunhill (now aribo) y great, grandparents HARRY & ANNIE PONSONBY lived on Headlands opposite the aths. y grandad RICHARD (Dick) REYNOLDS was born on Colonels Walk, then living rinces Street hen he married CLARA PONSONBY then lived Victoria Street, where mam was born. randad as the cinema projectionist for over 40 years. Dad worked at Johnson's Bakery & hen at pit. am worked at Dunhills & the baths. She taught us all to swim & she entered unhills Gala's won few times before she married. Still looking for lost photo she had taken ith Mayoress who resented mam her prize. lived with my parents & siblings at Newport Street 1956 - 1972 my name then aureen CLIFF acqueline WOTTON lived Anderson Street with her parents 1957 - 1969 f you are interested in our reunion, or know someone that may, then please get n touch. e have started a group on facebook called, (yes, you guessed right) DOWN TANSH' o why ot visit & catch up with who we have found so far, or still looking for, you ay be able to help. here is a street map of Tanshelf & many photos, but still wanting many more hotos to add. hank you, hope to hear from lots of past neighbours, family & friends, aureen (now Walters) & Jacky (now Robinson) ome useful websites - REECEN - http://www.freecen.org.uk/ REEBMD - http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ REEREG - http://www.freereg.org.uk/ Want to know where a place in Yorkshire is - Try Genuki ttp://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/ ------------------------------- o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WEST-RIDING-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

In a message dated 06/12/2010 19:42:42 GMT Standard Time, mamadug5@yahoo.com writes: I have just realised that i am not getting any messages from The sheffield link. I sent a request about a week ago and have had no feed back. Hi, Don't give up hope. It maybe that no-one knows an answer. Also Sheffield has been the worst hit city for snow so they may all be too busy surviving. JUDY ELKINGTON [North Derbyshire] _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elkingtonfamily.com/) Elkington@rootsweb.com _www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html_ (http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html)

I have just realised that i am not getting any messages from The sheffield link. I sent a request about a week ago and have had no feed back. Please help. mamadug5@yahoo.com. Names interest: Eyre, Siddons Keeton Wragg Fernee Thank you in advance. Mary Duggan (Eyre) . Of Sheffield, now California, U.S.A.

Hi John Many thanks for this info, interesting about the musician part, all the family have been musicians down through the generations. *The four schools forming this union assembled in their respective classrooms, and the children and teachers had an early breakfast, after which they walked in procession, met in the centre of the village, and sang special hymns, under the leadership of **Mr. Benjamin Mount**; and from thence the Zion Independent School, with 100 scholars and 18 teachers, and the Wesleyan Reform school, with 70 children and 12 teachers, went to the Wesleyan Reform Chapel, where the service was conducted by Mr. W. Maw, of Sheffield. The Brightholmlee Wesleyan school with 120 children and 14 teachers, and the Oughtibridge Wesleyan School, attended the Wesleyan Chapel. During the afternoon, the children and teachers, together with the class of 52 young men of Wesleyan Reform School, assembled in the schoolroom and had tea. Mr. Cooper?s band and friends from Watery street Reform Chapel also joined them, and the gathering was a very enjoyable one.*

Just how many terry steeples are there in sheffield? ========================================== Hi When I lived in Sheffield it was comically known as the 'Mucky Duck' and was still there the last time I was in Sheffield. A distant relative of mine (or at least a name sake) Terry Steeples was the owner and was also in entertainments around Sheffield. Regards Terry

Does anybody have any connection to a Benjamin MOUNT of Bradfield Yorkshire. He was born around 1813. Fran Stewart Brisbane Australia

Does anybody have any connection to a Benjamin MOUNT of Bradfield Yorkshire. He was born around 1813.? Fran, I have no connection with the above named but have found these articles in a local Sheffield newspaper which I think belong to your Benjamin. *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent** Saturday, May 08, 1847; pg. 5; Issue 1422.** **19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.** ** * *Deaths: **On Sunday inst., at Worrall, in the 84th year of his age, Mr. Benjamin Mount.* * * * * *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent** , Saturday, October 16, 1869; pg. 12; Issue 5074.** **19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.* * * *Deaths: **On October 12th., Benjamin Mount, Spring Knife cutlet, Worrall, aged 56* * * *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent** Wednesday, July 20, 1870; pg. 3; Issue 5318.** **19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.** ** * *Deaths: **Mount-July 18, Archer Benjamin, son of the late Mr. Benjamin Mount, of Worrall, aged 15.* * * * * *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent** , Tuesday, May 22, 1888; pg. 3; Issue 10516.** **19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.** *** *OUGHTIBRIDGE UNION* * * *The four schools forming this union assembled in their respective classrooms, and the children and teachers had an early breakfast, after which they walked in procession, met in the centre of the village, and sang special hymns, under the leadership of **Mr. Benjamin Mount**; and from thence the Zion Independent School, with 100 scholars and 18 teachers, and the Wesleyan Reform school, with 70 children and 12 teachers, went to the Wesleyan Reform Chapel, where the service was conducted by Mr. W. Maw, of Sheffield. The Brightholmlee Wesleyan school with 120 children and 14 teachers, and the Oughtibridge Wesleyan School, attended the Wesleyan Chapel. During the afternoon, the children and teachers, together with the class of 52 young men of Wesleyan Reform School, assembled in the schoolroom and had tea. Mr. Cooper’s band and friends from Watery street Reform Chapel also joined them, and the gathering was a very enjoyable one.* * * *John*

Hi Fran Stewart, I have no connection I'm afraid with Benjamin Mount, but I have found these articles in a Sheffield newspaper-the source is given, about a Benjamin Mount of Worrall. Looking at the map, Bradfield and Worrall are adjacent to one another, and Oughtibridge is close to them both. On A*****y I see that this Benjamin was a spring knife manufacturer with a wife called Mary and in 1861 a son called Archer Benjamin. So the first named article must have been his father, or maybe grandfather, as on A*****y he is shown as being born around 1763. I take it that you are looking for persons following the same family as opposed to census images and the like. It would appear that your Benjamin was a musician as well. *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent** Saturday, May 08, 1847; pg. 5; Issue 1422.** **19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.** ** * *Deaths: **On Sunday inst., at Worrall, in the 84th year of his age, Mr. Benjamin Mount.* * * * * *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent** , Saturday, October 16, 1869; pg. 12; Issue 5074.** **19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.* * * *Deaths: **On October 12th., Benjamin Mount, Spring Knife cutlet, Worrall, aged 56* * * *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent** Wednesday, July 20, 1870; pg. 3; Issue 5318.** **19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.** ** * *Deaths: **Mount-July 18, Archer Benjamin, son of the late Mr. Benjamin Mount, of Worrall, aged 15.* * * * * *The Sheffield & Rotherham Independent** , Tuesday, May 22, 1888; pg. 3; Issue 10516.** **19th Century British Library Newspapers: Part II.** *** *OUGHTIBRIDGE UNION* * * *The four schools forming this union assembled in their respective classrooms, and the children and teachers had an early breakfast, after which they walked in procession, met in the centre of the village, and sang special hymns, under the leadership of **Mr. Benjamin Mount**; and from thence the Zion Independent School, with 100 scholars and 18 teachers, and the Wesleyan Reform school, with 70 children and 12 teachers, went to the Wesleyan Reform Chapel, where the service was conducted by Mr. W. Maw, of Sheffield. The Brightholmlee Wesleyan school with 120 children and 14 teachers, and the Oughtibridge Wesleyan School, attended the Wesleyan Chapel. During the afternoon, the children and teachers, together with the class of 52 young men of Wesleyan Reform School, assembled in the schoolroom and had tea. Mr. Cooper’s band and friends from Watery street Reform Chapel also joined them, and the gathering was a very enjoyable one.* * * *John*

Dave Hinde wrote: > Are the Black Swan at Snighill and > the Waterloo Turf Tavern still in existence? The current Black Swan (or Mucky Duck) on Snig Hill is a newish place, built post-war. I think you'd be disappointed Dave! The Waterloo Tavern was on Watson's Walk, which was in the same area. That part of the city centre was more or less destroyed in the blitz in the second world war. Personally, I've never seen the Waterloo, but I have been in the (new) Black Swan. cheers Richard

Hi When I lived in Sheffield it was comically known as the 'Mucky Duck' and was still there the last time I was in Sheffield. A distant relative of mine (or at least a name sake) Terry Steeples was the owner and was also in entertainments around Sheffield. Regards Terry > Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 07:27:13 -0600 > To: eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com > From: dwh123@charter.net > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Thomas Millington > > John Readman writes: > > >Thomas Millington; did he marry Miss Mary Ann Hanson at Rotherham-there is > >an announcement in the newspaper for this marriage on May 15, 1847 > > <snip> > > >It appears that this Thomas Millington had a brother called James, who in > >1849, charged his brother Thomas with theft! > > > >By 1854, Thomas Millington was 31, still a saw maker, and was in trouble > >again for theft, stealing chairs from two pubs, the Black Swan at Snighill > >and the Waterloo Turf Tavern-he was sentenced to twelve months. (if this > >Thomas is yours then at least you know which pubs he frequented!) > > > Timothy Millington's family did have sons named Thomas and James, but > I don't think it's the same pair mentioned in your message. > > My Timothy's Thomas was bapt in 1806, a bit old to be getting married > in 1847, the saw-making MILLINGTONs in Sheffield at the time appear > to be a different line (most of mine seemed to be Hatters at one time > or another), and if the article is at all correct, the chair-stealing > Thomas was born ca 1823. > > However, thanks for the message. Are the Black Swan at Snighill and > the Waterloo Turf Tavern still in existence? If so, I'd like to stop > by them the next time I'm across the pond - purely out of a Family > History desire to "put flesh on the bones", mind! > > Dave > in northern Illinois > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, It gets lots of hits on Google and if I can follow the drift of some of the message boards, its still there but maybe under a different name! Peter

John Readman writes: >Thomas Millington; did he marry Miss Mary Ann Hanson at Rotherham-there is >an announcement in the newspaper for this marriage on May 15, 1847 <snip> >It appears that this Thomas Millington had a brother called James, who in >1849, charged his brother Thomas with theft! > >By 1854, Thomas Millington was 31, still a saw maker, and was in trouble >again for theft, stealing chairs from two pubs, the Black Swan at Snighill >and the Waterloo Turf Tavern-he was sentenced to twelve months. (if this >Thomas is yours then at least you know which pubs he frequented!) Timothy Millington's family did have sons named Thomas and James, but I don't think it's the same pair mentioned in your message. My Timothy's Thomas was bapt in 1806, a bit old to be getting married in 1847, the saw-making MILLINGTONs in Sheffield at the time appear to be a different line (most of mine seemed to be Hatters at one time or another), and if the article is at all correct, the chair-stealing Thomas was born ca 1823. However, thanks for the message. Are the Black Swan at Snighill and the Waterloo Turf Tavern still in existence? If so, I'd like to stop by them the next time I'm across the pond - purely out of a Family History desire to "put flesh on the bones", mind! Dave in northern Illinois

Hi Dave again, Thomas Millington; did he marry Miss Mary Ann Hanson at Rotherham-there is an announcement in the newspaper for this marriage on May 15, 1847, though the advert gives the date as "lately" which isn't really helpful. The occupation of Thomas Millington was a saw maker. However, that same Thomas Millington, saw maker, earlier in August 1846, was before the mayor of Sheffield, charged by his brother (doesn't say whom) for trying to hang himself, whilst drunk! The report sates that Thomas was in receipt of some money from a property, and was spending it on drink, to such an extant that he had been in the lock up for drunkeness and violent conduct before towards his parents and had even been committed to Wakefield jail on one occasion. The mayor ordered him to be remanded in custody-probably for his own safety as none of his friends or family were present. It appears that this Thomas Millington had a brother called James, who in 1849, charged his brother Thomas with theft! By 1854, Thomas Millington was 31, still a saw maker, and was in trouble again for theft, stealing chairs from two pubs, the Black Swan at Snighill and the Waterloo Turf Tavern-he was sentenced to twelve months. (if this Thomas is yours then at least you know which pubs he frequented!) John