Hello all From time to time people have posted queries regarding various buildings in Sheffield so I though people might be interested to see the Pevsner Architectural Guides site which has recently added a link for Sheffield to coincide with its recently published guide. My neighbour showed me the book and its a fascinating guide on a lot of interesting buildings etc in Sheffield from 1650 to date with some historical background on Sheffield. http://www.lookingatbuildings.org.uk/default.asp?document=3.V Pictures - http://www.lookingatbuildings.org.uk/default.asp?document=3.V.5 The book can be obtained from that well know book web site very cheaply and I think its well worth the purchase if you have an interest in Sheffield's history. Sheffield: Pevsner City Guides (Pevsner Architectural Guides: City Guides S.) Ruth Harman, John Minnis Regards Jon Bradshaw Sheffield -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.2 - Release Date: 28/01/2005

Hello Arthur, Welcome to the Sheffield List, looking forward to hearing about your ancestors and the areas of Sheffield that they came from. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 25th January 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arthur Watson" <arthur@madarth.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:28 PM Subject: [SHEFF] New Member > Dear All, > > I am a new member and have been interested in genealogy for over twenty > years and part of my family interests centre around Sheffield. I live and > work in Barnsley, South Yorkshire. > > The names which I most interested in are LONSDALE, LEE, PULEY or POOLEY, > BENNETT and EYRE. > > I am impressed with your website and look forward to advancing knowledge > about my ancesters. > > Arthur Watson > > arthur@madarth.freeserve.co.uk > > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > FLAMING or response postings to any unsavoury message content will not be > tolerated on Eng-Sheffield. > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > > >

Dear All, I am a new member and have been interested in genealogy for over twenty years and part of my family interests centre around Sheffield. I live and work in Barnsley, South Yorkshire. The names which I most interested in are LONSDALE, LEE, PULEY or POOLEY, BENNETT and EYRE. I am impressed with your website and look forward to advancing knowledge about my ancesters. Arthur Watson arthur@madarth.freeserve.co.uk

Canon Odom qwrote in 'Memorials of Sheffield...' (p175)... >>>> S. SILAS CHURCH, GILCAR The name Gilcar seems to be derived from marshy land belonging to the Gill family. Gilcar Lane is mentioned in the Sheffield Court Leet Records of 1609. In 1846 Gilcar was marked out as a[Ecclesiastical] disrict, but the parish was not formed until twenty years later. <<<< The derivation looks like a guess based on the elements of the name ?! (cf Mosscarr, Deepcarr etc). But if it is a topographical name it may recur elsewhere eg in Upper Hallam. Hugh in Sheffield

I have just been sent a picture of my grandfather with a group of friends and I wondered if anyone on the list might recognise any of the people or their names? Seeing as granddad still has some hair in this photo I would say it was taken in the late 30s or early 40s. You can see it at http://www.thewholeshebang.org/genealogy/showphoto.php?personID=I13&tree=she lagh&ordernum=2 Thanks - Shelagh

This is the St Silas' on the corner of Broomhall Street and Hanover Street. The immediate area is known as Gilcar, not to be confused with Golcar which is near Huddersfield. Regards Richard ( in Nottingham) JJupar@aol.com wrote: > If the church is St. Silas, then it is in Solly Street in the centre of > Sheffield and so not in Upper Hallam I think. > > I thought I knew Sheffield inside out but I have never heard of the area. > > Judy

On Tuesday, Feb 1, 2005, at 17:46 Europe/London, JJupar@aol.com wrote: > GELCAR or GOLCAR > is written in the 1871 census for Ecclesall Bierlow, Upper Hallam. According to "Sheffield - The small guide to the parishes in the Sheffield area" published by S&Dfhs, there is an area GILCAR - the local church is St Silas. hth Jay

In a message dated 01/02/2005 21:29:56 GMT Standard Time, arthur@madarth.freeserve.co.uk writes: I am a new member and have been interested in genealogy for over twenty years and part of my family interests centre around Sheffield. I live and work in Barnsley, South Yorkshire. The names which I most interested in are LONSDALE, LEE, PULEY or POOLEY, BENNETT and EYRE. I am impressed with your website and look forward to advancing knowledge about my ancesters. Hi Arthur Welcome to the group. We have a wonderful and informative Sheffield based Website. Why don't you take a look around its many facets and see if you find it interesting. It is full of a wealth of Sheffield knowledge and many lovely photos of various aspects of the City. _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield) Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com

Hi List, I have been in the archives all day with a friend, trying to find any information about the Sheffield Teachers Operatic Society. We searched through lots of docs etc.but didn't come up with anything pertaining to it. He believes that his great grandfather William J. Jutsum founded this society a lot earlier than it is presently believed, but finding any information is proving difficult. He has a copy of a newspaper cutting about it, but there doesn't appear to be any further documentary evidence in the archives or local studies. He was a teacher at Netherthorpe, Heeley Bank and Philadelphia schools in the early 1900's. So, does anyone out there have any information about the society, William Jutsum, or where we may find any further information. We have checked all the usual sources that we could think of. Carol from Sheffield

Hugh A huge thank you for this information - that helps enormously, and I am very grateful. Grandfather's appointment as Quartermaster started 11 Dec 1916. And as he only had that rank while in Land Forces at Redmires (as far as I can discover) that could well be the start date of the internment of German prisoners there. Again many thanks for typing out all this information. Jay On Monday, Jan 31, 2005, at 19:40 Europe/London, Hugh Waterhouse wrote: > hello Jay, > > Stephen Johnson's book 'From Bailey to Bailey: A Short > History of Military Buildings in Sheffield' (1998), has a > short chapter on 'The Redmires Camp'. This covers its > use both for training local forces and as a POW camp in > both World Wars. > > I extract here a summary of the use of the site: > > 1800's - use by local militia for artillery practice > - 4th West York Artillery Volunteers also used it > for artillery practice > 1910- 3rd West Riding Brigade RFA (TF) - practice and > weekend camps > 1914 Sheffield City Battalion was formed 10th Sep. Almost > at once construction of a new camp began at Redmires. > The Batallion in residence from December 5th. > > 29 Apr 1915 Battalion left for Cannock Chase. > Reserve and other units continued to be posted > throughout the war. > > "towards the end of the war" German prisoners > began to be interned at the camp > > 3 Apr 1917 - A Florence MAJORS aged 23 of Weston St > communicated a letter to one of the prisoners > and was fined £5. > > March 1920 The site, now disused, was bought at auction > by the Sheffield Education Committee with the > intention of using it as a 'School Camp' for 600 of > the poorer children in the city who would stay there > for a month at a time. This plan was delayed > several times. > > Oct 1925 Before the school plan could be implemented the > site was given over to the hospitalization of Smallpox > sufferers during an epidemic that only petered out in > 1930. The camp then became an annex to Lodge Moor > Hospital, housing convalescent patients. > > WW2 - used again for housing prisoners. > > After the war, reverted back to Council. None of the buildings > survive. Part of the site is an official residential site > for Travellers. > > There is also a detailed description of the site as occupied by > the City Battalion, including a newspaper account of their first > day in residence. There are three (poorly reproduce) photos > of the camp - 1 is a general view in 1915, the others are > buildings, aken from the 1920 sale catalogue. Finally there is > a plan of the WW2 POW site. > > I am sure there would have been frequent references to the > camp in its various guises in the local newspapers. > > Hugh in Sheffield > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gen Mail" <genmail@btinternet.com> > To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:32 AM > Subject: [SHEFF] WW1 German PoW camps in England > > >> There's been some correspondence on various lists about WW2 PoW camps >> for the British in Germany etc. >> >> Does anyone know about the ones in England in WW1 for Germans etc? My >> grandfather was a Captain and Quartermaster at Redmires and I'd like >> to >> read more? >> Jay > >

In a message dated 01/02/2005 20:51:15 GMT Standard Time, dalum@blueyonder.co.uk writes: The derivation looks like a guess based on the elements of the name ?! (cf Mosscarr, Deepcarr etc). But if it is a topographical name it may recur elsewhere eg in Upper Hallam. Well that is what made me think it strange because I am transcribing the area around Fulwood and Ringinglow to Lodge Moor so it didn't seem right. I haven't changed anything but I have not seen it before. Cheers Judy.

In a message dated 01/02/2005 18:59:44 GMT Standard Time, clensham@btinternet.com writes: St Silas, Broomhall Street, Broomhall, S3 Parish created 1866 from SS Peter & Paul. Parish called St Silas, Gilcar until c. 1990, then renamed St Silas, Broomhall. Likely to close 2000, with parish to be divided between St Matthew, Carver St, and St Mark, Broomhill. Hi Thanks. I think I must have been thinking of the church on Solly Street because I have been dealing with it on another list. Thanks for the Info. Judy Elkington

In a message dated 01/02/2005 17:54:46 GMT Standard Time, genmail@btinternet.com writes: According to "Sheffield - The small guide to the parishes in the Sheffield area" published by S&Dfhs, there is an area GILCAR - the local church is St Silas. If the church is St. Silas, then it is in Solly Street in the centre of Sheffield and so not in Upper Hallam I think. I thought I knew Sheffield inside out but I have never heard of the area. Judy .

Dear Listers, I'm afraid that I am going to raise my virtual voice again... First, everyone, particularly the more recent newcomers, READ the instructions for making changes to your submissions if you have a doubt as to form, especially before you ask me to change an email address. If I have said it once, I have said it a thousand times: you MUST send me your OLD email address, together with your new one, whenever you want me to make a change. The email address is the way that I navigate amongst the almost 22,000 submissions to find your submission(s). I don't need the list of names you have submitted. Please do not copy and paste your entry as it appears on your screen in the Index pages. All you are doing is sending me your name with EMAIL as the indication. This is done especially so that harvesters won't go to the trouble of opening each entry and copying your actual email address. However, what works for harvesters also works for me. I just don't have the time to open the website and go searching for your entry so as to find your email address. Another point, which is important to everyone. I have received several mails from people who have attempted to contact submitters to the YKS list, only to face complete silence in return. I know that most of us are busy individuals, with many other activities that call on our free time. However, if you receive a request or a contact and you don't have time to answer it in detail, the very least you can do is acknowledge it. If you have put genealogy on hold for a while because you don't have the time at the moment, why don't you remove your submission and re-enter it when you can get back to it. I certainly won't mind and you will greatly reduce the frustration levels of other researchers. 'Nuff said. Below, as usual, is the list of entries that have been deleted because of bouncing emails, and the list of surnames submitted these past ten days. Happy hunting everyone, Magdalena LIST OF DELETED SUBMISSIONS: pak1@explorecom.net Pamela A. Catledge Kirk (1) w6qwk@pacbell.net Eva Furman (2) jenny.senior@xtra.co.nz Jennifer Senior (1) addie78@hotmail.com Cynthia Ivester (1) Not deleted, but over quota: Austen Bird austenbird@tiscali.co.uk (2) - Please check your inbox! LIST OF SURNAMES THIS UPDATE: AMBLER, ASKHAM BRITTON, BURDON COGAN DAVIS, DOBSON, DOUTHWAITE FOSTER, FOUNTAIN HALLIWELL, HALSTEAD, HAXBY, HOPE IANSON KILLINGBECK LOBLEY MILLINGTON, MILNER, MOSS NIMMO PRINCE REDMAN, RIPLEY/RYPLEY, RO(D)GERS, ROGERS, RUMFIT, RUSCOE SCOTT, SLATER, SPEIGHT, STEADMAN, STEPHENSON STOREY TARRAN WADSWORTH, WALKER, WALTON -- For all communications, please use: YKSsurnames@yahoo.com THE SURNAMES INDEX CAN BE FOUND AT THE YKS SURNAMES LIST HOME PAGE. PLEASE GO TO: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/yks.htm

In a message dated 01/02/2005 16:22:17 GMT Standard Time, cborges@snet.net writes: Does the Ecclesiastical District column in the 1871 census tell me anything worthwhile? It says Gelcar on my ancestor's census page and I'm just wondering it that gives me more pertinent info. Hi I was about to write and ask someone the same question. GELCAR or GOLCAR is written in the 1871 census for Ecclesall Bierlow, Upper Hallam. Could this be an enumerators mistake as I have never heard of it in this area and wondered if it is a mistake. I am transcribing this census at the moment and it is certainly strange. Has anyone heard of it or could anyone throw any light on it. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Patty, The Ecclesiastical District is very important......That tells you the Church that they probably went to, so marriages, baptisms and burials could have been celebrated there. Mind you if they were anything other than Church of England it doesn't help. Hope this helps. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.3 - Release Date: 1/31/2005

Does the Ecclesiastical District column in the 1871 census tell me anything worthwhile? It says Gelcar on my ancestor's census page and I'm just wondering it that gives me more pertinent info. Thanks! Patty Monroe, CT

hello Karen, I'm not sure I've seen every message in this thread so sorry if this duplicates information..... Michael Liversidge's 'Sheffield Public Houses' has the Broughton Inn at "342 Attercliffe Common or 1 Broughton Lane". This is the same author who wrote '343' in 'A wander up the 'Cliffe'. His pub book has a (small) photo of the pub. White's 1919-20 directory has 'Wm Charles Wood beerhouse' at 352, which appears to be on the corner of Broughton Lane (350 is the other side). He is also listed in the trades section (under beer retailers) and in the alphabetical list of residents, at the same address. In the street directory the lowest odd number on Broughton Lane is no. 13. 342 Attercliffe Common is a furniture dealer (Nathan SUGARMAN - good name!) and 343 isn't listed. Turning to the 1901 directory, online at http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ , this also has Wm Charles Wood, beerhouse at 352. Now both 342 and 343 have furniture dealers. Broughton lane is shown as beginning at 352 Attercliffe Common. Finally, in the 1891 census there is William Duckenfield publican and family at 352 Attercliffe Common. There's a shoemaker at 342 and an iron turner at 343. Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Office of Karen Hill" <shys07572@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Broughton Inn on Broughton Lane > > Hi there everyone > > Thank you for your help with regards to my trying to find the Broughton Inn > but I am getting even more confused now. > I cannot find my copy of "A Wander up the Cliffe" but I am told the book > gives the address as being no. 343 but on the 1881 census the entry reads > 352 Broughton Inn. And the next entry is listed as being on Attercliffe > Common. > Also I am told the Broughton Inn stood where the Arena Car Park now stands > but I am also told it was where the KFC now stands. I have been told by many > though that it was on a corner, which would want to make me plump for the > KFC land but I just don't know? > Can anyone help me out here ... or better still does anyone have any old > photographs of it please? > > Many thanks > > Karen Hill > Sheffield, UK > Owner of the Sheffield Genealogy Chat Group @ MSN > Membership is by Invitation only please contact me for more details

Hi Karen, I would say that 352 Attercliffe Common would be the correct address. I have a street map that gives the house numbers at various intervals along the main roads. Number 222 is on the Arena side of the road near the junction of Terry Street, just where the old school building is (more recently the Players Café but I don't know what it is now). I think that should rule out number 343 though. Kind regards. Jane Chesterfield (UK) Researching:- BARKER, BARTHOLOMEW, COOPER, CRAPPER, CRAWSHAW, EARNSHAW, HAWKE, HIBBERD, JESSOP, MILNER, STEAD(E), THOMPSON and WOOD, all in the Sheffield, Bradfield, Norton area. -----Original Message----- From: The Office of Karen Hill [mailto:shys07572@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 31 January 2005 08:18 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] Broughton Inn on Broughton Lane Hi there everyone Thank you for your help with regards to my trying to find the Broughton Inn but I am getting even more confused now. I cannot find my copy of "A Wander up the Cliffe" but I am told the book gives the address as being no. 343 but on the 1881 census the entry reads 352 Broughton Inn. And the next entry is listed as being on Attercliffe Common. Also I am told the Broughton Inn stood where the Arena Car Park now stands but I am also told it was where the KFC now stands. I have been told by many though that it was on a corner, which would want to make me plump for the KFC land but I just don't know? Can anyone help me out here ... or better still does anyone have any old photographs of it please? Many thanks Karen Hill Sheffield, UK Owner of the Sheffield Genealogy Chat Group @ MSN Membership is by Invitation only please contact me for more details ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== Personal details of living or probable living persons are not to be posted onlist. If such details are requested then please use common sense before responsding offlist with a personal email. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

On Monday, Jan 31, 2005, at 16:19 Europe/London, JJupar@aol.com wrote: > I don't think there were any camps at Redmires in WWI. > Yes there were - 'cos that's where my grandfather served and it's the address on his marriage certificate of 1919! Bless you Jay