Hi Found this TRUANTS SCHOOL, HOLLOW MEADOWS, about six miles out of SHEFFIELD, SOUTH YORKSHIRE. Certified 5th March 1879 for 90 children. Became an ordinary Industrial School in 1910. Cessation of certification or closure 10th February 1922. Originally a farmhouse, apparently an annexe for Sheffield Workhouse with some 11 acres of land. Hope it helps Christine 1945 ----- Original Message ----- From: <MissCavell@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 10:09 PM Subject: [SHEFF] truants school, Hollow Meadows > Hello all, I've just found a distant rellie on the 1901 census - he was 13 > years old and an inmate of Hollow Meadows Truants school... I'd love to > know > more about what the place was like and how children ended up there... > > Amanda Cavell > Liverpool > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > FLAMING or response postings to any unsavoury message content will not be > tolerated on Eng-Sheffield. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > >

Hi Noddie, I found the following Charles on the 1861 census index........The 1851 census I believe is being indexed by the SDFHS and will take about a year I have been told..... NELL Charles 32 YKS Sheffield 3462 29B There are only two Charles Nell's on the 1861 census that I can see. You can check on the SDFHS site for the missed names.......from their diskettes. This is the other Charles...... NELL Charles H. 8 YKS Sheffield 3486 62 NELL Emily 2 YKS Sheffield 3486 62 NELL George 44 YKS Sheffield 3486 62 NELL George 17 YKS Sheffield 3486 62 NELL Ann 45 YKS Bromley 3486 62 NELL Ann 6 YKS Sheffield 3486 62 Hope this helps.... Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005

Hi Gwen The only 1841 census index is at this time being transcribed by members of this list (volunteers always welcome).......... It is being placed on the web once indexed and checked................... Site URL for the "Sheffield Indexers" is......... http://www.sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/1841census/ Regards. Elaine Pickard. Ottawa. Sheffield Indexers. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.8 - Release Date: 2/14/2005

Ignore this - reply linked to wrong email!! K -----Original Message----- From: kay-uk [mailto:kay-uk@btconnect.com] Sent: 16 February 2005 18:12 To: 'carol slater'; 'ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [SHEFF] 1861 census That's strange 'cos I'm protected by an on-line McAfee and was scanned and clean on 12th Feb. Just running it again now, but I actually think it is Hotmails in built protection system that showed similar email and thought !Virus!". I attach 1891 again now to find out if that goes through. Regards Kay -----Original Message----- From: carol slater [mailto:cazannsummer@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: 16 February 2005 11:17 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] 1861 census hi everyone could SKS who as got the 1861 census for sheffield please look up 3478/82 he is a joseph SYKES aged 30 to who is living in the same house as him.i have found him on the 1881,1891 and 1901 census but not the 1871. with the census he should be 29/30 and his occupation was a scissor filer. carol slater from sheffield --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== It helps others to know which message your replying to, so always add a little of the text from the message to which you are responding. Some subscribers (myself included) have short memories. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

Hello all, I've just found a distant rellie on the 1901 census - he was 13 years old and an inmate of Hollow Meadows Truants school... I'd love to know more about what the place was like and how children ended up there... Amanda Cavell Liverpool

hi everyone could SKS who as got the 1861 census for sheffield please look up 3478/82 he is a joseph SYKES aged 30 to who is living in the same house as him.i have found him on the 1881,1891 and 1901 census but not the 1871. with the census he should be 29/30 and his occupation was a scissor filer. carol slater from sheffield --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

Sorry Judy and everyone.. The directories website is www.historicaldirectories.org NOT "com". It seems to be very busy site as couldn't get through at teatime - but OK much later. If you do want to print off an individual page - then suggest you use the pdf format as it is clearer and more legible and gives the whole page , whilst the ordinary format seems to miniaturise the page making it too small to read, and the alternative zoom - while enlarging the image, cuts off some of the page on printing Hope this helps Richard in Surrey -----Original Message----- From: Richard Ellis [mailto:richard@ellisresearch.demon.co.uk] Sent: 13 February 2005 18:48 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SHEFF] Whitworths Shop Hi Judy There's a wealth of information on individual tradesmen and their addresses in the Historical directories website - which include Pigots, Kellys and others - for North and East Ridings, West Ridings, and separate ones for cities such as Sheffield and Leeds. There are at least 51 such trade directories just for Yorkshire - all-on-line for free!!.. courtesy of a University of Leicester project. The website is www.historicaldirectories.com/ Some of these directories are over 600 pages long, so its best to trawl through the page indices first, to see which part of the directory your people are likely to feature. One can also download individual pages of these directories for printing. I have found a number of my relatives using this source, confirming other data such as censuses. Some of them also give a description of individual towns and villages, mentioning schools, places of worship etc. I think it's a real gold mine!... however most of the directories are mid to late 19th century era, and none after c 1915 (for Yorkshire anyway) Happy hunting! Richard in Surrey ps Hope that I haven't upset any of the commercial FH people by mentioning this site. I have bought a number of such trade directories in the past but think we should share information to break down those brick walls!!..as not all can afford to acquire all the CDs or make visits to libraries...and in the spirit of the new Government freedom of information Act! -----Original Message----- From: JJupar@aol.com [mailto:JJupar@aol.com] Sent: 13 February 2005 10:44 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] Whitworths Shop Hi I am researching my gt.grandfather's rise from Pawn Broker to owning a large Tailors and Gentleman's outfitters in West Bars. I know where the shop was but I am interested how long they were in business. They were there in 1900 and in 1914 they were making uniforms for the Army. They were one of the first company's to make ready-made uniforms for soldiers. I wondered if anyone has any later directories which would show the business as I know it continued until at least 1920 and may be longer. The original owner was William Rawson Surplice Whitworth but I know his son Ralph carried on the business for some years after his death. Many thanks Judy Elkington ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== It helps others to know which message your replying to, so always add a little of the text from the message to which you are responding. Some subscribers (myself included) have short memories. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== Personal details of living or probable living persons are not to be posted onlist. If such details are requested then please use common sense before responsding offlist with a personal email. ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

hello Jeanne, here are the details of the two entries: Piece 1334/6 Ed. 6, Folio 41a Fullwood // Stephen FOX 50 farmer Y Stephen FOX 10 Y / William HURST 20 Ag Lab N Isabella RANDLES 3 N // Isabella RANDLES has a mark in the last column which is either a 1 or an 'I' (for Irish/Ireland) and also two other numbers - '14' next to the '1' or 'I' which may be a tally while counting similar marks (although this is the 13th not 14th), and... - '12' next to a crossed out entry in the occupation column (probably also something to do with a tallying of some kind after enumeration). Piece 1336/4 Ed 9, Folio 29a No 2 Weigh Lane Edwd R FOX 25 comb mkr Y Mary Ann FOX 20 Y Eliz FOX 1 Y Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne Fox" <foxtrotjef@ns.sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 4:06 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Look-up please 1841 census-FOX > Could SKS please do a lookup for : > > 1. Stephen Fox for Sheffield - Piece 1334/6 Ed. 6, Folio 41a-Registration District Upper Hallam/Dore, Address Fullwood - age 50. > > 2. Stephen Fox Piece 1334/6, Ed 6, Folio 41a Upper Hallam/Dore, Address Fullwood - age 10. > > I think these are father and son but would like to know who else is listed and if these two are listed together. > > 3. MaryAnn Fox - Piece 1336/4 Ed 9, Folio 29a - Sheffield Park Reg. District, Address Weigh Lane, age 20. > > Stephen Fox was married to Mary Ann Marsden at the time of the birth of their son Hugh on Sept. 9, 1839, or so I thought.

Could SKS please do a lookup for : 1. Stephen Fox for Sheffield - Piece 1334/6 Ed. 6, Folio 41a-Registration District Upper Hallam/Dore, Address Fullwood - age 50. 2. Stephen Fox Piece 1334/6, Ed 6, Folio 41a Upper Hallam/Dore, Address Fullwood - age 10. I think these are father and son but would like to know who else is listed and if these two are listed together. 3. MaryAnn Fox - Piece 1336/4 Ed 9, Folio 29a - Sheffield Park Reg. District, Address Weigh Lane, age 20. Stephen Fox was married to Mary Ann Marsden at the time of the birth of their son Hugh on Sept. 9, 1839, or so I thought.

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hi lister i have re subscribed as i was having problems with my mail sometimes not getting on to the list i was on hotmail known as summer1955. to them that knew me.i still can recieve messages at that address. thought i would update my names paternal line STREET sheffield HEPPLESTONE sheffield and yorkshire ELGIE sheffield and derbyshire DUNSTER sheffield and bury in lancashire DAMMS sheffield MARRIOTT sheffield COOPER bury in lancashire maternal line SYKES sheffield GOULDING/GOULDER sheffield SORBY sheffield NICHOLSON sheffield doncaster and lincolnshire FOSTER sheffield and derbyshire husbands paternal line SLATER sheffield and sussex TRAVIS sheffield and rotherham BURROWS sheffield and nottingham DICKINSON sheffield and lincolnshire WIDDOWSON sheffield husbands maternal line COOPER sheffield MITCHELL sheffield and derbyshire GRAY sheffield and birmingham PORTER sheffield and shropshire LUTTRELL sheffield and ireland RYAN sheffield and ireland MOONEY sheffield and ireland BROOKES sheffield TILSON rotherham and derbyshire COUSANS sheffield carol slater from sheffield --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

Hello Lesley Had a look at the references Hugh found, details below:- MORTON Frederick 17 DBY Norton 3467 15B [Norton] This is Four Lane Ends Frederick MORTON 17, Apprentice born Derbys, Norton living with Edward CROOKES,Head, 35, Filesmith, Derbys Holmsfield Isabella CROOKES, wife, 38, Derbys,Norton children Tom 12, Edward 9 & Mary A 7 MORTON Selina 22 YKS Sheffield 3478 4 [Sheffield West] This is 189 Glossop Road, household starts on previous page Selina MORTON, Niece, 22, Boot binder, born Yorks Sheffield living with Saml PEARSON, head, 46, Boot & Shoe manufacturer, Woodhouse, Derbys Mary Ann PEARSON, wife 46, Yorkshire Sheffield children Saml 13, Thomas 11, Flora 9, Anne 6, Kathl Selina 8 months Hope this helps, looks as though Selina was a family name. Happy hunting Catherine Atkin Leicestershire

One last desperate attempt to find the following, before I give up yet again.... Joseph ELLIOTT married Adelina STRAFFORD probably around 1827. Their son Richard Elliott was born (or baptised) in 1832. They spent their lives in Sheffield and its environs, but I can find neither the marriage nor the birth. Please can anyone help Regards Margaret

Clun Street was/is an extension of Clun Road. It simply changes from "Road" to "Street" when it jig-jogs across Ellesmere Street. (Ellesmere veers of Spital Hillwhere it curves into Burngreave Road). Both are a short walk from Burngreave Cemetery and would be in Pitsmoor, close to Attercliffe I believe. My g-g-g-grandmother lived on Clun Road from the 1860/70's on and my g-g-grandmother raised her family in Bressingham Road which is one street below Clun. My mother was born there in 1921 when her mother went home to give birth. I stayed there for a short time as a very small child in 1947, though of course, I have no recollection. When I visited this neighbourhood in 2001, I was so disappointed, as all of the houses on Clun and Bressingham Roads had been torn down sometime after 1971 when I last visited. It was truly the end of a family era that I had heard much about. But, I do have a few photos from the earlier visit to remember. A little bit of trivia that I can share, Chris in Ontario ORIGINAL MESSAGE I know this may be too late and wrong but some years ago I had trouble with a relation of my wife [gt gt gt grandmother] living in No 8 Clun St. The enumerators writing was difficult and at one stage I thought it could have been Dun St. There are a Clun St and Clun Road still in existence I finally found. John Elmes Sippy Downs SE Qld

hello Karen, If William and Ann were married in Sheffield and they were Anglicans they will almost certainly have been married at the Parish Church (now the Cathedral) - someone may be able to look this up at the Archives where they is a complete index of marriages for this church. If I have the right family in 1861, then Wilfred had several siblings: WALKER William 46 YKS Sheffield 3478 13 WALKER Ann 46 YKS Sheffield 3478 13 WALKER William 21 YKS Sheffield 3478 13 WALKER Wilfred 19 YKS Sheffield 3478 13 WALKER Edwin 16 YKS Sheffield 3478 13 WALKER Eliza 14 YKS Sheffield 3478 13 WALKER Ellen 11 YKS Sheffield 3478 13 WALKER Jonathan 8 YKS Sheffield 3478 13 In the last resort you could egt a certificate for one of these siblings to get their mother's maiden name. It looks as though the marriage should be after the beginning of Civil Registration - I had a quick look at FreeBMD but I could not match a William with a possible Ann B____ (but that index is incomplete). Would it be possible to scan the problem part of the certificate and send it offlist so I can see what I make of it ?! (I won't necessarily do any better!). Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Cogan" <karen.cogan@virgin.net> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: [SHEFF] WALKER Help Required > Hi guys, > > Is there anyone out there who has been researching WALKER around Ecclesall Bierlow. > I have a Wilfred Walker born 11 November 1841. His parents are William Walker and Ann. > > Unfortunately although I have Wilfreds birth certificate I cannot decipher his mothers maiden name and wondered if anyone else had researched this family and found the marriage of Wilfreds parents. > > The name looks something like Bi_i_l_ where _ are letters I can't work out. > > All help appreciated > > Regards > > Karen Cogan > West Yorks > > TOWERS (Sheffield), > LOWE (Derbyshire), > ROWLAND (Sheffield), > ROCH (Sheffield)

Hello Lesley, Welcome to the list! There is only one Selina MORTON in the 1861 index for Sheffield and Rotherham: MORTON Selina 22 YKS Sheffield 3478 4 [Sheffield West] Too young to be Frederick's mother, but, if his mother *was* a Selina, perhaps this could be a sister. There are no other MORTONs with this page reference. Is this your Frederick? - MORTON Frederick 17 DBY Norton 3467 15B [Norton] Slightly old if he was born in 1846. Again - no other MORTONs with this reference. I don't have the census images on disk - other list member will probably be able to supply them. As you may have already discovered, MORTON is a very common name in Sheffield! Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Shaw" <lesleyshaw60@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 9:09 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Frederick Morton > Hello, > > I am a new subscriber to this list. My main surname interests are MORTON and > BATTY,both from Sheffield. > Although I already have a lot of information there is one particular > sticking point. I have recently received the marriage certificate for my > ggrandfather Frederick Morton. In 1866 he married Ann Smith in Norton Parish > Church. His address at the time of marriage was Four Lane Ends. Ann's > address was Derbyshire Lane. In Column 7 the groom's mother is listed > instead of father. Her name was Selina Morton. Can anyone find her on the > 1861 census? I need to know if Fred is listed as her son or perhaps nephew, > as on his birth certificate in 1846 his parents were Matthew and Ann Morton. > I have not been able to trace these people in any census,I think perhaps > they both died young and left Fred with relatives. Either that or I have > been chasing the wrong Frederick Morton for the last 12 months. > Any help or ideas would be most welcome. > Thankyou > Lesley Shaw. > > > Lesley

Hi guys, Is there anyone out there who has been researching WALKER around Ecclesall Bierlow. I have a Wilfred Walker born 11 November 1841. His parents are William Walker and Ann. Unfortunately although I have Wilfreds birth certificate I cannot decipher his mothers maiden name and wondered if anyone else had researched this family and found the marriage of Wilfreds parents. The name looks something like Bi_i_l_ where _ are letters I can't work out. All help appreciated Regards Karen Cogan West Yorks TOWERS (Sheffield), LOWE (Derbyshire), ROWLAND (Sheffield), ROCH (Sheffield)

Hello, I am a new subscriber to this list. My main surname interests are MORTON and BATTY,both from Sheffield. Although I already have a lot of information there is one particular sticking point. I have recently received the marriage certificate for my ggrandfather Frederick Morton. In 1866 he married Ann Smith in Norton Parish Church. His address at the time of marriage was Four Lane Ends. Ann's address was Derbyshire Lane. In Column 7 the groom's mother is listed instead of father. Her name was Selina Morton. Can anyone find her on the 1861 census? I need to know if Fred is listed as her son or perhaps nephew, as on his birth certificate in 1846 his parents were Matthew and Ann Morton. I have not been able to trace these people in any census,I think perhaps they both died young and left Fred with relatives. Either that or I have been chasing the wrong Frederick Morton for the last 12 months. Any help or ideas would be most welcome. Thankyou Lesley Shaw. Lesley

Some months have passed since I first posted the names of MOODY and GREENSMITH that I am trying to research. Nothing much has come to light. Ruth Moody 1785 - 1864 NOT verified anywhere. Her sister Elizabeth (no dates for her) married a RICHARD and went to live in Australia. Third sister SARAH (1809 - 1861) married GEORGE GREENSMITH(1811-1895) in Sheffield on 5.7.1835. George had a brother Charles (no dates) who married a MARY(1782-1862) My great grandmother was ELIZABETH GREENSMITH(1838-1907) daughter of SARAH and GEORGE GREENSMITH. Were there any more children?? I have various photographs of these people all of which seem to have been taken in Sheffield but I have no evidence of them living there - until we get to Sarah and George. Can anyone shed any light on these people? Jill Human The Lake District. --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

Hi Jeremy Thank you very much for your E.Mail, and the lists, they were very helpful, and I love the quote from St. John Thank you again Jenny (Whitby)