Hi everyone It was the texts that now appear with the maps that were first published between 1842 and 1852 it seems......but in any case it is a superb book and well worth a look........so excited to tell everyone about it ....perhaps i should have read it through first...lol Best wishes Jill Atkinson Sheffield

Hi everyone Thought some of you might like to know about a book i found today at a craft fair in bakewell.....well worth a look! The county Maps of Old England Thomas Moule Introduction by Roderick Barron It contains 56 maps of all the counties in England and Wales which were produced by Thomas Moule and was first published in 1830 under the name of English Counties. The maps contained were all published (i think) between 1842 and 1852. It is a superb book..........i dont know if it is out of print or whether it is still available but if you are interested the reference is ISBN 185170 403 5 With Best wishes Jill Atkinson Sheffield

As someone has already said there are separate Rootsweb emailing lists for Rotherham and Doncaster. Doncaster Family History Society and Doncaster Archives are both in the same building at Balby, but they are separate entities; the Doncaster Archives is part of the Council set up but the Doncaster FHS is run by volunteers and I can recommend it - however you need to book a place as it gets busy and it costs £2 per visit; no cost for members; however payment has to be made obviously for printing. Websites for Doncaster FHS - http://www.doncasterfhs.co.uk/ Doncaster Archives - http://www.doncaster.gov.uk/Leisure_in_Doncaster/Museums_and_history/Archives_and_Local_history/Doncaster_Archives.asp The Rootsweb emailing lists for Rotherham and Doncaster though are not as widely used as this Sheffield site is. But they are worth a try - ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> and ENG-YKS-DONCASTER-L@rootsweb.com <ENG-YKS-DONCASTER-L@rootsweb.com> Hilary ----- Original Message ----- From: "carol cooper" <crc45125@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 2:10 PM Subject: [SHEFF] query > HI List, > Can anyone tell me if there is a separate rootsweb site that covers the > Doncaster area, or does this site cover that and also the Rotherham > area's? > Carol, Sheffield > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > It helps others to know which message your replying to, so always add a > little of the text from the message to which you are responding. Some > subscribers (myself included) have short memories. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Thanks to all who answered my query. I visited the Doncaster archive and Doncaster FHS this week, both very helpful, and found some info, but wanted more than was available. I thought if there was a Doncaster rootsweb site, I might be able to make contact with someone researching the same names. I did look on the Rootsweb page but must have missed it. I will try again. Thanks Carol

Richard, I have just checked the entry again and it is definitely 30th June 1833 for her birth. I assume you are looking at the IGI directly from the LDS website?................Do you know about the 'Hugh Wallis' pages that link to the IGI? These pages are a way of searching through the records of individual churches to find a particular family name, if you click on the link below this will take you directly to the 'England IGI Batch Numbers,' if you then scroll down to the bottom you will see six separate links that take you to records specifically for Yorkshire, clicking on the Q-S link will give you Stannington & Sheffield, similarly clicking on the A-D link will give you records for Bradfield and so on. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryEngland.htm#PageTitle As an example, if you pickeded Q-S, and when the page has opened scrolled down to Stannington, you would see records for Stannington Christ Church and Presbyterian. The blue highlighted references on the left are for Christenings/Baptisms and the right side blue links are for marriages. Click on a link for Christenings and this will bring up a new window titled 'Specify Your Search Criteria,' enter the surname you wish to search for and then click the 'Submit Query' button, this will then bring up a list (if any of these records are available) for the surname that you're after. You can then click on any of the names and you will then see the full details that are available. I often find this way of searching the IGI far easier than going straight to the LDS site and searching that way, you do of course have to have an idea of where to look though. Give it a go if you haven't already done so. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 8th March 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHHELM@aol.com To: jeremy.crawshaw@talktalk.net Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] 1851 & 1861 Armitage census lookup request Hello Jeremy, Thank you for the Stannington Presbyterian records. One small question. The last two entries (children of Joseph and Harriet Armitage) - were their birth dates actually recorded as 30 Jun 1833 and 1 Aug 1833? (could be Mary's date was 1832 and she was not christened until Samuel was on 8 Sep 1833?). I have looked at IGI (batch records from Stannington & Bradfield) and will look with more determination. Dick Helm

Hello List, Could SKS please look up George Hill married to Sarah nee Battie/Batty on any of the census from 1851, 61, or 71. He was MASTER CORN MILLER. I have his son JAMES HILL married to MARY nee SANDERSON RHODES on the 1881 census and their dwelling was OUGHTIBRIDGE, BRADFIELD YORK. James was born in ATTERCLIFFE in 1817. Mary b.1831 SHEFFIELD. Incidentally, I don't suppose the Mill is still there? Kind regards Pat Sheldon. Pat Sheldon Reply Email: <mailto:pat@sheldonp.fsnet.co.uk> pat@sheldonp.fsnet.co.uk Hotmail: <mailto:sheldon_pat@hotmail.com> sheldon_pat@hotmail.com

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 14:10:04 -0000, you wrote: >HI List, >Can anyone tell me if there is a separate rootsweb site that covers the Doncaster area, or does this site cover that and also the Rotherham area's? >Carol, Sheffield > Have a look at Rootsweb: http://lists.rootsweb.com The two you want are: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-ROTHERHAM.html and http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-YKS-DONCASTER.html Regards Steve

Hi Carol Don't know about a rootsweb site, but there is a Doncaster Family History Society, which has a site at: http://doncasterfhs.proboards3.com/ which may be worth having a look at. I know there is a family history centre run by the council at Balby, which I went to once, and the people there (other researchers) were quite helpful. Limited opening hours so you would need to check, I had a day off on the time I managed to get there. Regards Kay-UK -----Original Message----- From: carol cooper [mailto:crc45125@ntlworld.com] Sent: 12 March 2005 14:10 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] query HI List, Can anyone tell me if there is a separate rootsweb site that covers the Doncaster area, or does this site cover that and also the Rotherham area's? Carol, Sheffield ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== It helps others to know which message your replying to, so always add a little of the text from the message to which you are responding. Some subscribers (myself included) have short memories. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005

HI List, Can anyone tell me if there is a separate rootsweb site that covers the Doncaster area, or does this site cover that and also the Rotherham area's? Carol, Sheffield

Martin > I also found it marked on the attached map from 1855. I downloaded this > from > www.old-maps.co.uk a while back when I was looking for a house at > Commonside - you could go on the site and get a version centred on > Mushroom > Bank to get your bearings a bit better. Mushroom Bank is marked just below > Godfrey Dam on the junction of Dam Lane and Northumberland Road - not sure > what it actually is though A big thank you. You have solved several other mysteries about locations of other relatives living in the same location. I don't think I would have found this without your help. Regards Tony Beardshaw Rotherham > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Cross [mailto:martincross948@hotmail.com] > Sent: 12 March 2005 11:05 > To: Beardshaw@tesco.net > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] 1861 Census lookup > > Hi Tony, > Sorry, there weren't any house numbers. > > I assumed it was somewhere near Mushroom Lane. I did a google search for > Mushroom Bank to try and find references to it and found the following > which > you may find useful. Its part of the 1857 Directory. > > At URL : http://www.n.f.wilson.btinternet.co.uk/809-817.htm > Beardshaw Jonth., jun., file and steel mfr.; h Mushroom bank, > Northumberland rd > > I also found it marked on the attached map from 1855. I downloaded this > from > www.old-maps.co.uk a while back when I was looking for a house at > Commonside - you could go on the site and get a version centred on > Mushroom > Bank to get your bearings a bit better. Mushroom Bank is marked just below > Godfrey Dam on the junction of Dam Lane and Northumberland Road - not sure > what it actually is though. > > Regards, > > Martin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tony Beardshaw" <Beardshaw@tesco.net> > To: "'Martin Cross'" <martincross948@hotmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:38 AM > Subject: RE: [SHEFF] 1861 Census lookup > > > > Martin > > > >> Address : Mushroom Bk, Glossop Road > > > > Thank you for the detailed reply. It will be very useful. Were there any > > house numbers for Mushroom Bank (Glossop road)? I think I need to buy > > another Godfrey map to locate it. > > > > Regards > > > > Tony Beardshaw > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Martin Cross [mailto:martincross948@hotmail.com] > >> Sent: 11 March 2005 19:48 > >> To: Beardshaw@tesco.net; ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: Re: [SHEFF] 1861 Census lookup > >> > >> Hi Tony, > >> They don't live in the same house, although the two households are > > next to > >> each other on the census. > >> > >> The details are as follows : > >> > >> Jonathan Beardshaw; Head; Married; 34; Steel Man. & Merchant - J? > >> Beardshaw > >> & Sons; born Sheffield > >> Frances " ; Wife; Married; 20; born C?????ton, Kent > >> Hermann? " ; Son; 1 month; born Sheffield > >> Mary Esther West; H servt; Unmarried; 21; born Eaton Notts > >> Ann Barthorpe; servant; Unmarried; 16; Sheffield > >> > >> Address : Mushroom Bank > >> Jonathan Beardshaw; Head; Married; 38; Merchant; born Sheffield > >> Elizabeth " ; Wife; Married; 36; born Rotherham > >> Alfred " ; Son; 7; born Sheffield > >> Francis " ; Son; 5; born Sheffield > >> Arthur " ; Son; 3; born Sheffield > >> Emily S????? ; Neise (assume niece); 5; born Rotherham > >> Annie Wood ; Sevt; unmarried; 19; born Sheffield > >> > >> Sorry I can't work out the surname of the niece. Its something like > >> Stippins? Maybe someone else can cast a 2nd pair of eyes over it and > > see > >> if > >> they can work it out! > >> > >> The fact they have similar jobs suggests a strong link. > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Martin Cross > >> Essex > >> > >> Researching ALLEN, CODD, CROSS, HINCHLIFFE, > >> JONES, MAPPIN, MARRIN, McCREELEY, RAWSON, WEBSTER > >> in the Sheffield/Derbyshire area. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Tony Beardshaw" <Beardshaw@tesco.net> > >> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 7:21 AM > >> Subject: [SHEFF] 1861 Census lookup > >> > >> > >> > Dear List > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I have a bit of a mystery with a family on the 1861 census. There > > are > >> > two people called Jonathan Beardshaw aged 34 and 38 on the same > > folio > >> > page 3469 15F and both appear to have wives and children. It would > > be > >> > easy to assume they are living in the same house but I guess I > > mustn't > >> > make this assumption. Has any one got access to the census images to > >> > confirm the situation? I would also like to know the street name and > >> > their occupations? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Tony Beardshaw > >> > > >> > <http://www.my-history.co.uk> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > >> > Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all > >> > aspects of genealogy in the UK.........For the Sheffield pages visit > >> > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/index.html > >> > > >> > ============================== > >> > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and > > the > >> > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > >> > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >> > > >> > > > > > > >

Thanks to everyone who helped me on this query. I've got a few ideas to follow up, I need to get the Marriage certificate if I can ever find a match for George Henry PROCTOR (1836) to Annis ? (1838), that will get me back on track and over my brickwall !! Thanks again Lisa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

Hello again, after just received a marriage certificate confirming the father of William, can sks try to give me any information prior to the 1861 census which read: Tinsley Park Road (or West), NAME AGE OCCUPATION WHERE BORN James Holroyd Head 58 Colliery Banksman Yorks,Tinsley Mary Wife 48 Yorks, Whiston William Son 17 Coal Miner Yorks, Tinsley Park Joseph Son 14 Coal Miner Lancs., Newton Heath Hannah Dau 12 Scholar Yorks, Tinsley Park Mary Dau 9 " ditto George H Son 7 " ditto James A Son 5 " ditto George Sayton Nephew 15 Collier Banksman Yorks, Whiston Kind Regards Kay-UK Researching:  SMITH (Whaplode Drove, Lincs. & Welches Dam, Cambs) SIMPKINS/SIMPKIN/SIMKINS (Witcham, Woodditton, Cambs.) NEWELL/NOWELL/NOWILL (Walsall, Staffs., Eckington, Derbyshire, Doncaster, Yorks.) RUMBELOW (Cambridgeshire/Suffolk) HARDING (Tydd St Giles/St Mary, Cambs. Mildenhall, Suffolk ) JONES (Dudley, Worcs. Eckington Doncaster) HULL (Leicestershire) MOAKES (Derbyshire/Nottinghamshire) JEWKES, (Dudley), WORTON (Dudley) HOLDROYD/HOLROYD (Sheffield/Doncaster) HESSLEWOOD (Sheffield/Doncaster) CLUFF/CLOUGH (Whaplode Drove, Wisbech St Mary?) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005

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Hello Richard, I've just checked the baptisms at Stannington Presbyterian and found quite a few ARMITAGE'S. Stannington was a well known area of Nonconformity and many people attended Stannington Presbyterian (later to become a Unitarian Church), now called Underbank Chapel, Stannington, which is still there to this day. All of my own CRAWSHAW family were Razor Grinders from Stannington, Storrs, Hilltop & Dungworth in Bradfield Parish and although I haven't found any of their christenings at Underbank I have found many of my BRADWELL & OATES families that attended there. Back to the christenings I told you about, these are all from Underbank Chapel (formerly Stannington Presbyterian), John ARMITAGE (Chr: 10th October 1743) Son of: Samuel ARMITAGE Aaron ARMITAGE (Chr: 28th April 1745) Son of: Samuel ARMITAGE Mary ARMITAGE (Chr: 16th November 1746) Daughter of: Samuel ARMITAGE Martha ARMITAGE (Chr: 14th August 1748) Daughter of: Samuel ARMITAGE Samuel ARMITAGE (Chr: 11th April 1750) Son of: Samuel ARMITAGE Adam ARMITAGE (Chr: 18th July 1753) Son of: Samuel ARMITAGE John ARMITAGE (Chr: 29th May 1773) Son of: Samuel ARMITAGE Hannah ARMITAGE (Chr: 4th February 1776) Daughter of: Samuel ARMITAGE Sarah ARMITAGE (Chr: 27th December 1777) Daughter of: Samuel ARMITAGE Samuel ARMITAGE (Chr: 19th July 1782) Son of: Samuel ARMITAGE William ARMITAGE (Chr: 20th March 1785) Son of: Samuel & Sarah ARMITAGE George ARMITAGE (Born: 9th June 1786 - 3rd July 1786) Son of: Samuel & Sarah ARMITAGE Elizabeth ARMITAGE (Born: 1st July 1789 - Chr: 23rd July 1789) Daughter of: Samuel & Sarah ARMITAGE Sarah ARMITAGE (Chr: 3rd November 1789) Daughter of: Samuel ARMITAGE Amelia ARMITAGE (Born: 20th May 1793 - Chr: 5th June 1793) Daughter of: James & Sarah ARMITAGE Joseph ARMITAGE (Born: 11th June 1796 - Chr: 15th June 1796) Son of: Samuel & Sarah ARMITAGE John ARMITAGE (Born: 23rd October 1800 - Chr: 16th November 1800) Son of: John & Hannah ARMITAGE Samuel ARMITAGE (Born: 7th July 1802 - Chr: 1st August 1802) Son of: John & Hannah ARMITAGE Mary ARMITAGE (Born: 12th October 1804 - Chr: 14th November 1804) Daughter of: John & Hannah ARMITAGE Joseph ARMITAGE (Born: 23rd November 1806 - Chr: 22nd January 1807) Son of: John & Hannah ARMITAGE Amelia ARMITAGE (Born: 4th July 1816 - Chr: 4th August 1816) Daughter of: William & Sarah ARMITAGE Samuel ARMITAGE (Born: 30th June 1819 - Chr: 4th July 1819) Son of: William & Sarah ARMITAGE George ARMITAGE (Born: 4th February 1829 - Chr: 5th July 1829) Son of: Joseph & Harriet ARMITAGE Mary ARMITAGE (Born: 30th June 1833 - Chr: 8th September 1833) Daughter of: Joseph & Harriet ARMITAGE Samuel ARMITAGE (Born: 1st August 1833 - Chr: 8th September 1833) Son of: Joseph & Harriet ARMITAGE There are also quite a few ARMITAGE family members at Bradfield on the IGI. Hope that this is of use Richard. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 8th March 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: RICHHELM@aol.com To: jeremy.crawshaw@talktalk.net Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] 1851 & 1861 Armitage census lookup request Hello Jeremy Thank you for helping me. Connie has sent me an Alphabetical transcript of both the 1841 and the 1851 Bradfield censuses. These three 1851 Armitages appear to be sons of Joseph and Harriott Armitage of Knowle End, Stannington in the 1841 census. In the 1841 census, there are (with ages rounded down) Ann Armitage age 70 Thomas Armitage age 55 grinder Joseph Armitage age 40 grinder Alfred Armitage age 25 razor grinder I am guessing, but I think Ann is the widowed mother of the three sons, Thomas, Joseph and Alfred. I think Thomas is unmarried and living with his mother Ann. I've been looking without success for Christenings or marriages of these Armitages in the LDS IGI (from Bradfield & Stannington church records - Bishop's transcripts). (I found the christenings of Alfred Armitage's sons, but the church records for Stannington don't go any earlier than 1830) Any ideas on other sources that are available to me here in Richmond VA, USA? Dick Helm richhelm@aol.com

In a message dated 12/03/2005 15:42:32 GMT Standard Time, pat@sheldonp.fsnet.co.uk writes: Could SKS please look up George Hill married to Sarah nee Battie/Batty on any of the census from 1851, 61, or 71. He was MASTER CORN MILLER. Could you give us the year of his birth. ere they both born in sheffield? Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com

I wonder could some kind soul look for Lillie Roberts on the 1861 and 1871 census returns. She was born on 14 Apl 1855 College Road Masbrough. Her parents wer Alfred Roberts a butcher and Elizabeth Roberts whose maiden name was Dobson. Thank You, Stuart

----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> [snip] > I found the following at St Mary's Walkley Cemetery so Hugh might be able to > give you the grave number...... > > PROCTOR Annis 12 Dec 1897 111 Heavygate Rd 59 [snip] There are three PROCTOR graves on the plans of the old section of the cemetery (some in the new section too, but that was opened in 1922 so can't include this burial). Only one appears to have a gravestone. Checking the above entry will have to wait until the Archives re-open next week, but I may be able to check the gravestone this weekend. However.... I don't think this Annis is the one Elaine found in 1861. Also in 1861 there is this household: PROCTOR Henry 26 YKS Sheffield 3486 53 PROCTOR Annis 24 YKS Sheffield 3486 53 PROCTOR Harry 4 YKS Sheffield 3486 53 PROCTOR Frederick 2 YKS Sheffield 3486 53 PROCTOR Mary A. 1 YKS Sheffield 3486 53 Looking at all of the PROCTORs in the Walkley NBI (which only covers 1880-1901) 4 of these five above seem to be buried there: PROCTOR Albert 28 Jan 1894 Ct Wentworth St 22m PROCTOR Annis 12 Dec 1897 111 Heavygate Rd 59 PROCTOR Emma 6 Jun 1893 22 Townend St 28 PROCTOR Ethel 19 Oct 1892 112 Spring Vale Rd 2d PROCTOR Frederick 23 Feb 1899 32 Slinn St 41 PROCTOR Harry 7 Mar 1890 Heavy Gate Rd 33 PROCTOR Henry 1 Mar 1883 Heavy Gate Rd 47 PROCTOR Henry John 11 Nov 1889 3 Freedom Rd 29 PROCTOR Sarah Ann 4 Mar 1883 161 Duncombe St 24 PROCTOR Thomas 22 Jun 1896 Sheffield Infirmary 33 I think 'Henry' is likely to be George Henry, judging by the 1881 census (?!). This is the GRO death entry from FreeBMD: Deaths Mar Qtr 1883 Proctor Henry 47 Ecclesall B. 9c193 Hugh in Walkley

I would be most grateful if someone with access to the 1861 Census could look up the following for me. Just at the moment, my mobility is restricted so cannot get to the archives. I would like to know the addresses at which they were living and the occupations of the following BILLARDS. William BILLARD 46 born IRL 3490 94 James BILLARD 19 born Sheffield 3495 70F George BILLARD 38 born Sheffield 3479 9 James BILLARD 17 " " " " Henry BILLARD 81 3464 110F Many thanks Keith Wright

Hello Can any one tell me where Manor Castle Yard was my family were living there in 1841.Thank You Looking for all in Sheffield BARNES 1800/1900 Samuel and Elizabeth nee Shearstone WHITE 1870 onwards (before then Surrey and Lincs) Isaac and Elizabeth nee Barnes, Elizabeth emigrated to Australia with daughter Alice SHEARSTONE 1800 onwards BLACKBURN 1880 onwards before that Wakefield Joseph and Louie nee Smith they had 13 children The eldest was John Joseph born 1889 married Elizabeth nee White and moved to Scunthorpe Lincs Heres hoping theres a connection Extended family names may include BARCOCK and SORBY in Sheffield. Bev

-------Original Message------- From: Elaine Pickard Date: 03/11/05 20:44:48 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com; Marea Sherman Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Re: Handsworth and Woodhouse 1841 Census Lowe and Redfearn Hi Marea, This area is being transcribed but I dont know when it will be checked and posted to the site so keep checking. Regards Elaine Sheffield Indexers. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.1 - Release Date: 3/9/2005