Hi List, Any of you clever people ever heard of a 'Glass Gunner'? can't help but think this is a mistake, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong...that is what was written as the occupation of the father of a Bridegroom on a Marriage cert. The father's name was Thomas Younge, the Marriage took place circa 1849 at St. Peters Sheffield ... Thomas Younge's son, the Bridegroom, also a Thos Younge; was listed as occupation 'Roller', which I take to be his occupation in a Rolling Mill. Any help with this greatfully received. Regards, Josephine, Ontario.

what churches do i have for this time in the handsworth area and woodhouse area. He is not buried in st marys handsworth marea --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

If someone lived in the handsworth parish married st marys church handsworth but is not buried there what church for 1828 would his death be listed in. He may have also lived in the woodhouse area thank you marea --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Hello everyone, Can someone tell me if there's a Sheffield History Fair this year, if so what is the date & venue, I know its about April May time, as I have been in the past. Regards Gail

Marea, The burial could have been in the old Revill Lane cemetery at Woodhouse. Send the name and I will check it. Could they have possibly have been Quakers? I also have some records for the burial ground at Woodhouse. Carol, Sheffield Message for Gordon I liked the Nathen Sithe comment. Only a true Sheffielder would appreciate it!!

Hi St James wasn't built until 1875, and there are no burial registers for this church, only baptisms and marriages. Burials probably took place at Revill Lane which was also opened in 1875. If you post the name you are looking for listers have burial indexes for Sheffild and area and may be able to help. Kind Regards Angela (LEE) Eckington U.K.

if he died in woodhouse, he could be burried in ST JAMES church yard which is on church lane/beaverhill road. tony _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

In a message dated 20/03/2005 03:13:52 GMT Standard Time, angeltrouble7025@yahoo.com.au writes: If someone lived in the handsworth parish married st marys church handsworth but is not buried there what church for 1828 would his death be listed in. He may have also lived in the woodhouse area Hi Marea, Unfortunately it would be difficult to define this. There are many reasons for this but here are a few. He may have asked to be buried near his parents or grandparents which may have been outside the area. Where was he born. He could have died away on holiday and been buried there. Perhaps if SKS has the Burial CD they might be able to look for you. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com

I am seeking to find the above. His parents were John Guest and Ann and he was born on 21 Feb 1825 and baptised 20 May 1825. He lived at The Crofts Rotherham and is found on the 1841 Census aged 15* ref HO107/1332/Roth4/P12. I have no access to the 1851 or 1861 census, although it has been suggested that he appears on the 1861 census piece 3506 page 22f Kimberworth age 28. I wonder if some kind soul would be able to assist please. Regards, Stuart

Hi Angela Hope you are well and thanks for your reply it certainly does help. They are too late for the marriage but there could be other children baptised there so I will check. Thanks! Karen Lightowler Doncaster, South Yorkshire Researching the Sheffield Flood

> Hello Karen, Angela and other interested listers > > "The Small Guide to Nonconformist and RC churches in > Sheffield" published recently by the Sheffield & District FHS > gives similar information about the Carver Street records: > > Original registers held at TNA: > - Births and baptisms 1832-1837 > - Burials 1830-1837 > > Original registers held at Sheffield Archives: > - Marriages 1870-1994 > - Burials 1806-1855 including Ebenezer and Bridgehouses Chapels > > Copies on microfilm available via LDS FH Centres: > - Births and baptisms 1832-1837 > > Copies held at Sheffield Archvies: > - Baptisms 1832-1837 > - Burials 1830-1837 > > Extracts on IGI: > - Births and baptisms 1832-1837 > > Original records at Sheffield Archives: > Monumental inscriptions, Minutes, accounts, pew rents, > Sunday School records, correspondence > > In the Introduction, Judith Pitchforth says she has tried to ensure > the information is accurate but will be pleased to receive any > amendments which may be necessary. > > Best regards > Judith Gaillac > Montfermeil, France > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "A. Treweek" <atreweek@hotmail.com> > To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 10:48 PM > Subject: [SHEFF] Joseph NICHOLLS [Non Conformist Records] > > >> I don't know if this information is any use to you the registers >> maybe too late, but according to the Sheffield Family History Guide >> no 6 published by Sheffield Archives they have the following >> registers. >> >> Carver St. including Ebenezer and Brighthouses(W.M.) >> Bapt 1832-1837 on MF A136 >> Marr 1870-1994, >> Burials 1830-1837 >> 1806-1855 >> N.B. later original registers are kept at the Chapel. >> >> There is no date when this guide was published. >> > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.4 - Release Date: 18/03/2005

Hi Karen. I don't know if this information is any use to you the registers maybe too late, but according to the Sheffield Family History Guide no 6 published by Sheffield Archives they have the following registers. Carver St. including Ebenezer and Brighthouses(W.M.) Bapt 1832-1837 on MF A136 Marr 1870-1994, Burials 1830-1837 1806-1855 N.B. later original registers are kept at the Chapel. There is no date when this guide was published. My family were methodists after 1850 and its not easy finding information. You may find baptisms in the records of another chapel. In the Methodist chuch, individual chapels are organised in groups in a cicuit.In earlier times, ministers were appointed to a circuit. There is one main church in each circuit. Rural circuits may cover a very wide area and may straddle administrative county boundaries. this is why some nonconformist registers may have been deposited in out-of-county repositories. I have found baptisms for people from Barnsley and Lancashire in the Chesterfield WM circuit. Hope this helps Angela (LEE) Eckington U.K.

Hi Karen, Just a little snippet of information for you which mentions your Joseph NICHOLS and members of my OATES & BRADWELL families. This info is taken from my copy of "The History of Underbank Chapel, Stannington" by F.T. Wood (1944). This excerpt is from the chapter "The Socinian Controversy" and this part deals with the dispute at Underbank between the majority of the congregation who professed to holding Trinitarian beliefs and the minority that held Unitarian beliefs. The chapel supposedly had been founded by Thomas Marriot "for the propagation of that form of orthodox dissent usually known by the term Independent or Calvinistic" but even that was in dispute as in the trust deeds there is no mention of either Calvinists or Independents. The minister John HALL professed on his appointment in 1761 to be a Trinitarian, but later became a Unitarian, yet he continued to hold office for several years after that. The minister Edward GIBSON (minister from 1785 - 1794) was a Unitarian and was appointed against the wishes of the greater part of the congregation and ever since his time the chapel has been held by the Unitarians. To cut a long story short (as we know today) the Unitarian beliefs continued to be followed (as is still the case at Underbank today), see excerpt below, The majority of the inhabitants of Stannington were of the orthodox persuasion, yet were precluded from worshipping in a chapel founded expressly for their accommodation, without outrage to their consciences. (This might have been true enough, but as an argument it has little force and is, to some extent, discounted by the next point made by the petitioners.) A previous Lord Chancellor had ruled that it was illegal for trustees or the congregation of a place of worship to apply doctrines to those intended by the founder of the trust. The petitioners therefore asked Samuel SHORE, as the person mainly responsible, to remove the present minister and appoint a Trinitarian in his place. (the ruling referred to is that of Lord Eldon in the case "Attorney General v. Pearson (1817)"; but the validity of this argument rests, of course, upon the assumption that the funds originally left by Richard SPOONE were for the maintenance of an Episcopalian or at least a Trinitarian minister, and that therefore they had been thus misapplied, points which had by no means been proved.) The petition was followed by 358 signatures divided into two categories, Trinitarian and Unitarian, a note at the head of them explaining that "The persons whose names are inserted under the title 'Unitarians' are understood as expressing their wish for the continuance of the present minister and as objecting to the petition." There were 27 of them, viz., Paul HATFIELD, William SHAW, Matthew OATES, George SANDERSON, Jonathan OXLEY, Luke OATES, Christopher REVITT, John TATTERSALL, John LUDD, Joseph NICHOLS, George NICHOLS, Samuel NICHOLS, Samuel INMAN, William BRADLEY, George WILSON, Frederick THORPE, Matthew SHAW, George LOY, Am. HALLAM, John OATES, James OATES, Edward BARNES, Jonathan REVITT, John BUSHBY, John SIDDONS, William BRADWELL, John REVITT. A letter which accompanied the document explained that "no undue influence, threat, persuasion or intimidation has been resorted to for the purpose of procuring names. 340 people signed in favour of the petition and only the 27 names above signed against it, having said that the Unitarians still won the day. Hope that this is some use to you Karen. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 18th March 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <KARENL823@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 7:34 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Joseph NICHOLLS [Non Conformist Records] Hi List I am looking for a Joseph NICHOLLS who married a lady called Sithe and I know they had 3 children baptised at Underbank Unitarian Chapel at Stannington between 1808 and 1813. There is an indenture at Bradfield for an apprentice called Joseph NICHOLLS who was aged 15 in 1820 but I have been unable to find a baptism in about 1805. His father, according to the indenture, was also called Joseph NICHOLLS and I am thinking that Joseph senior may be the same chap as the one who married Sithe.

Hi Jeremy Thanks for that it is certainly very interesting and puts a new light on Joseph! Best Wishes Karen Lightowler Doncaster, South Yorkshire Researching the Sheffield Flood

Hi Josephine Thanks for your suggestion - I will try the church records as I haven't as yet, presuming they would have been in a chapel somewhere, but it is obviously worth a try. Keep your fingers crossed for the Carver Street records bu,t whatever you do, dont' hold your breath!! Thanks again Best Wishes Karen Lightowler Doncaster South Yorkshire Researching the Sheffield Flood

Hi Elaine. I found these two at Whitfield Mills (or Wells) RG9/2550/22b schedule 6 Deborah HODGKINSON / Head / Wid / 76 / Independent / YKS Sheffield Ann HODGKINSON / dau / 33 / Milliner & Dressmaker / YKS Sheffield Condition was left blank for Ann, and the ages are clear. Kind Regards Angela (LEE) Eckington U.K.

Hi Karen Unfortunately, I cant help with your query but I cant stop myself from asking if the lady's father was called Nathen. Nathen Sithe sounds like a good old Sheffield name to me <lol>. Gordon List Admin (in Sheffield) Sheffield Genealogy Website : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield ----- Original Message ----- Joseph NICHOLLS who married a lady called Sithe -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.3 - Release Date: 15/03/2005

Hi Karen, I take it that you did look at the Church records as well? Although a lot of my family were nonconformists they all married at Church, St. Peters. As a rule their children were baptized at Chapel. What I find peculiar is that my 3Xs great uncle Francis Dixon was the Dissenting Minister at Leecroft Chapel, but is buried at St. Peters... We had a mixture of Dissenters, Methodists and Wesleyans in our lot. The problem with marrying at Chapel was that Marriages were not recognized by the State up to a certain date if not performed in the established Church, this caused no end of problems... can't remember the time frame at the moment for that ruling. I'm sure someone else will though. I don't know if this helps or not. By the way if you find the lost Carver Street Records I'd appreciate knowing, I have been searching for them for some time. Regards, Josephine, Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: <KARENL823@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 18, 2005 2:34 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Joseph NICHOLLS [Non Conformist Records] > Hi List > I am looking for a Joseph NICHOLLS who married a lady called Sithe and I > know they had 3 children baptised at Underbank Unitarian Chapel at Stannington > between 1808 and 1813. > There is an indenture at Bradfield for an apprentice called Joseph NICHOLLS > who was aged 15 in 1820 but I have been unable to find a baptism in about > 1805. His father, according to the indenture, was also called Joseph NICHOLLS > and I am thinking that Joseph senior may be the same chap as the one who > married Sithe. > I have also been unable to find the marriage of Joseph and Sithe and, seeing > as the address in the indenture was Bradfield, I started wondering if there > was a chapel in Bradfield. I now understand from Malcolm Nunn that there was > once a Methodist chapel in what are now the council offices but he didn’t > know whether they would have been licensed for marriages during the 19th > century. > Malcolm has also told me the records of the Chapel seem to be missing. The > new Chapel was opened across the road in 1898 and closed about 1993 and all > the records were taken by Carver Street Methodist Circuit in Sheffield, that in > turn closed about 5 years ago. Allegedly the records were handed in to > Sheffield Archives but they claim to never have seen them! > I was wondering if anyone could suggest where I may look for a baptism in > about 1805 and a marriage some time round about that date for a couple who were > obviously non conformists. > Thanks > Karen Lightowler > Doncaster, South YorkshireResearching the Sheffield Flood > > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > DO NOT post VIRUS or OFF TOPIC messages to Eng-Sheffield. Off topic content messages should be sent to the list admin instead. For Virus help access http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/announce.html#virus > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi List I am looking for a Joseph NICHOLLS who married a lady called Sithe and I know they had 3 children baptised at Underbank Unitarian Chapel at Stannington between 1808 and 1813. There is an indenture at Bradfield for an apprentice called Joseph NICHOLLS who was aged 15 in 1820 but I have been unable to find a baptism in about 1805. His father, according to the indenture, was also called Joseph NICHOLLS and I am thinking that Joseph senior may be the same chap as the one who married Sithe. I have also been unable to find the marriage of Joseph and Sithe and, seeing as the address in the indenture was Bradfield, I started wondering if there was a chapel in Bradfield. I now understand from Malcolm Nunn that there was once a Methodist chapel in what are now the council offices but he didn’t know whether they would have been licensed for marriages during the 19th century. Malcolm has also told me the records of the Chapel seem to be missing. The new Chapel was opened across the road in 1898 and closed about 1993 and all the records were taken by Carver Street Methodist Circuit in Sheffield, that in turn closed about 5 years ago. Allegedly the records were handed in to Sheffield Archives but they claim to never have seen them! I was wondering if anyone could suggest where I may look for a baptism in about 1805 and a marriage some time round about that date for a couple who were obviously non conformists. Thanks Karen Lightowler Doncaster, South YorkshireResearching the Sheffield Flood

Hi Elaine, Dore is on RG9-3466 pages 50 to 66 of the Yorkshire/Sheffield discs. Unfortunately, there is no Deborah Hodgkinson - no Hodgkinsons at all - listed in Dore in 1861. There is also no one in Dore listed as having been born in Glossop. Almost certainly there would still have been some of "my" Hodgkinsons in Totley at the time, but also no Deborah I'm afraid. HTH John Green Velp, The Netherlands Elaine Pickard wrote: >Hi Guys, > >Is there anyone on the list that could do a look up for me please on the >Derbyshire census.... > >I am looking for a Deborah Hodgkinson in Dore......she would be about 61 or >2......born Glossop. > >Thanks > >Much appreciated... > >Elaine. > > > >