Hello Liz, I've just downloaded an image from the 1901 census which shows a John DOWSON (Widow) who has a daughter Maggie DOWSON (aged 14) if you would like it? If so mail me off list and I will send it to you. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 18th March 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ---- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <e.newbery@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 1:48 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Dowson, Wallis > My sister used to say that her husband's family came from "up North > probably near Birmingham"! Well, I've now found that they did come from > "up North"...but from Sheffield!! > > Herbert E. WALLIS was born in Sheffield - 1st Quarter 1918 > Son of Herbert E. WALLIS and Maggie DOWSON (sometimes DAWSON) - They > married 1st Quarter 1915 in Sheffield. > > Herbert E WALLIS the elder I have not decided which one he is...there are > one or two on the 1901 census that could be the right one...ugh! > His wife was Maggie DOWSON/DAWSON and I believe her father is John Robert > Rhodes DAWSON/DOWSON, however on the IGI I see a marriage to Emily WARD on > 22nd September 1871...I am hoping that this lady died...does anyone have > any knowledge of a burial? Hopefully he then married Margaret Fisher > SHIELS from Edinburgh in the 3rd quarter 1879 and they had Jessie (Aug > 1880), William (Abt 1882) and Maggie (1st quarter 1887). Margaret died > 4th quarter 1894. > > JRR DOWSONs parents are Henry DOWSON 1828 and Martha ROBERTS who married > on 19 Sep 1847 in Sheffield. > > Does anyone have this family in their tree and can anyone help with > burials from the burial index please. > > Cheers > LIZ > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery

In a message dated 21/03/2005 22:32:54 GMT Standard Time, pbotham@telus.net writes: Just one question, several " " codes appear in the text describing Ecclesall Bierlow. Can you tell me what these mean? Hi I presume you mean <BR> Absolutely nothing, I just missed eradicating them when the story was sent to me. They have nothing to do with the story. Judy

In a message dated 21/03/2005 21:41:42 GMT Standard Time, SheffGens@blueyonder.co.uk writes: So, nearly a 100 years later and nothings changed then Gordon, The more things change the more they stay the same. A quote from a book in 1534 says, "Football is nothing but beastly hurt and rioting." They were planning to ban it then. Nothing changes there either. Judy

Christine, (christine1945@blueyonder.co.uk) at this point I really don't have much of an idea as to when the Archdale-Turner marriage would have taken place. I just know that in 1841 Joseph and Mary Archdale, in addition to other children, Ann, Sarah, and Mary, have a daughter Maria Archdale, aged 7. In 1851 Mariah's age is 18, unmarried. (and the family has added Emiy, Josiah and William.) 1871 - I haven't seen information from the 1861 census, but in 1871 Mary is a widow living with her daughter Sarah and son-in-law WDBotham, so I assume that Maria has married between 1851 and 1871 - and could be a Turner. 1881 - I haven't received any indication of where a Maria Elliott Turner might be. 1891 - The next hint that I have had of Mariah is 1891. A "Mariah Elliott Turner" is living next door to WD & Sarah Botham in Brampton. (Of difficulty here is that this census says that she was born in Brampton, not Heeley - But the Elliott middle name is my clue to thinking that this very well could be the Maria who was the sister to Sarah) Christine, thank you for taking an interest in this little problem. I don't imagine. though. that it's going to be very easy to find such a marriage. And while I'm at it, I wonder if SKS who has the 1861 census CDs would mind seeing if there is any mention of Joseph and Mary Archdale and family of Heeley. If he is still alive the ages should be roughly: Joseph, 61, Mary 52, (Sarah married in 1859), maybe Mariah 28, maybe Mary 25, Emily 19, Josiah 17, and William 12. Thank you. P e t e r B o t h a m K a m l o o p s B C

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My sister used to say that her husband's family came from "up North probably near Birmingham"! Well, I've now found that they did come from "up North"...but from Sheffield!! Herbert E. WALLIS was born in Sheffield - 1st Quarter 1918 Son of Herbert E. WALLIS and Maggie DOWSON (sometimes DAWSON) - They married 1st Quarter 1915 in Sheffield. Herbert E WALLIS the elder I have not decided which one he is...there are one or two on the 1901 census that could be the right one...ugh! His wife was Maggie DOWSON/DAWSON and I believe her father is John Robert Rhodes DAWSON/DOWSON, however on the IGI I see a marriage to Emily WARD on 22nd September 1871...I am hoping that this lady died...does anyone have any knowledge of a burial? Hopefully he then married Margaret Fisher SHIELS from Edinburgh in the 3rd quarter 1879 and they had Jessie (Aug 1880), William (Abt 1882) and Maggie (1st quarter 1887). Margaret died 4th quarter 1894. JRR DOWSONs parents are Henry DOWSON 1828 and Martha ROBERTS who married on 19 Sep 1847 in Sheffield. Does anyone have this family in their tree and can anyone help with burials from the burial index please. Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery

Thank you to Carol Slater for the information she found about Joseph Archdale and his family - namely the family of William Drabble Botham. Arising out of your information I have a question or two: Is the 1861 census not available? I've seen one or two suggestions on websites I've been on, that it is still being indexed - or something! In the 1871 information you sent concerning my GGrandfather WDBotham and his family on the 1871 census, one of the members of the family is given as H K Botham - under 1 month. I know that one of my grandfather's brother was born in 1871, but his intials weren't HK. Is this an abbreviation that the census takers used? - or are those letters meant to be the initials of the baby? I find it interesting that they named two daughters almost the same name: Mary and Maria. The 1891 entry for Sarah Elliott Turner shows her as 55 - (born ca. 1836), whereas in 1851 Maria is 18 (born ca. 1833) and Mary is age 15 (born ca. 1836). I don't imagine that anything you have seen can clarify that? The born "Brompton" entry is puzzling, because like you said, the Elliott middle name is a very strong indication that she was one of the daughters. (Elliott is also one of my middle names!). I will try to find an Archdale-Turner marriage somewhere, to try to clear it up - but seeing as how she isn't part of my direct line, this isn't a top priority item - maybe level two priority!! I also notice that Mary Elliott Deardon is 35 in 1871 (birth ca.1836), but 40 in 1881 (birth ca.1841) Lastly, you have offered to provide me with the information you've found on the 1881, 1891, and 1901 censuses. I would appreciate that if it's not too much trouble. Before I close I would also like to take this opportunity to offer my gratitude to Judy Elkington to her interesting and very illuminating quotation concerning the history and geography of Ecclesall Bierlow and Heeley. Just one question, several "<BR>" codes appear in the text describing Ecclesall Bierlow. Can you tell me what these mean? Once again, thank you very much. The information thatt you ladies have provided is invaluable to me! Peter Botham Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada

hi peter i have sent this through the list incase anyone else related to the link info. i found josph and mary ARCHDALE on the 1851 census living lower heeley but the writing is not very good but i can make most of it out. JOSEPH ARCHDALE 51 HEAD CUTLER BORN HEELEY YORKSHIRE MARY ARCHDALE 42 WIFE BORN CURDAR DERBYSHIRE SARAH ARCHDALE 20 DAUGHTER UNMARRRIED SCHOOL TEACHER BORN HEELEY MARIA ARCHDALE 18 DAUGHTER UNMARRIED BORN HEELEY MARY ARCHDALE 15 BORN HEELEY EMILY ARCHDALE 9 DAUGHTER BORN HEELEY JOSIAH ARCHDALE 7 SON BORN HEELEY WILLIAM ARCHDALE 2 SON BORN HEELEY there is no ann but she may have been married as she would be 21 joseph had died before 1871 as mary is a widow living with daughter sarah and son in law william d botham at woodhead brampton in derbyshire WILLIAM D BOTHAM 38 HEAD FARMER AND BUTCHER BORN BARLOW DERBYSHIRE SARAH ELLIOTT BOTHAM 39 WIFE BORN HEELEY YORKSHIRE WILLIAM A BOTHAM 10 SON BORN CHESTERFIELD DERBYSHIRE ALICE M BOTHAM 8 DAUGHTER BORN CHESTERFIELD DERBYSHIRE ANNIE E BOTHAM 6 DAUGHTER BORN CHESTERFIELD DERBYSHIRE JOSEPH A BOTHAM 4 SON BORN BRAMPTON DERBYSHIRE JOSIAH E BOTHAM 2 BORN BRAMPTON DERBYSHIRE H K BOTHAM UNDER 1 MONTH SON BORN BRAMPTON DERBYSHIRE MARY ARCHDALE 62 MOTHER IN LAW BORN CURBAR DERBYSHIRE mary married verdon deardon in 1871 living 30 summerfield street ecclesall yorkshire VERDON DEARDON 50 HEAD CHEMIST/DRUGIST MARY ELLIOTT DEARDON 35 WIFE CECELIA DEARDON 1 DAUGHTER 1881 living 71 london road ecclesall yorkshire MARY ELLIOTT DEARDON 40 HEAD WIDOW CHEMIST MARY ARCHDALE 72 MOTHER WIDOW there was no cecelia in 1891 living next door to william and sarah botham on walton lane brampton derbyshire is a maria elliott turner aged 55 but it says single and born brompton not heeley but with sarah and mary both having elliott as their midddle name maybe she had seperated from her husband or divorced as she was living on her own means it says. not been able to find any of the others but i have sarah on the 1881 1891 and 1901 if you have not got the info let me know. hope this is some help to you carol slater from sheffield Peter Botham <pbotham@telus.net> wrote: Hello Listers, I have data taken from the 1841 census for a family in my ancestry. They lived at Heeley in the Ecclesall Bierlow district of Sheffield, (Am I right in expressing their district of residence in this way?) and the members were as follows: Joseph Archdale, 40; Mary Archdale, 30, Ann Archdale, 10; Sarah Archdale, 9; Maria Archdale, 7; and Mary Archdale, 4. As you can see As those of you experienced with the 1841 census can see, I don't have all the information taken at the census. First of all, I don't understand the address (shown as "Heeley" for all the names), and nothing is given regarding: Houses; Profession or trade; or the locations of birth of the family members. May I request that some kind soul who has the census records for 1841, 1851, 1861 or 1871 please look for this family and send me what they find. I don't expect that Sarah will appear from 1861 onwards as she married my GGGrandfather, William Drabble Botham in 1859. I have no idea of what happened to the other members of the family as time went on and would greatly appreciate the kindness of someone looking them up. Thank you Peter Botham Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== FLAMING or response postings to any unsavoury message content will not be tolerated on Eng-Sheffield. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Marea, I have checked Revill Lane cemetery at Woodhouse but as before mentioned, these burials date from around the 1870's, so too late. There were no Lowe families there at any time. Have also checked Attercliffe but not there. Have checked the Quaker burials in Woodhouse, and these go back to the 1600's. There were several Lowe burials, but whether this Robert mentioned is yours I cannot say. There wasn't one for Robert.I enclose the list of Lowe's, just in case. They may be useful in the future. Lowe Elizab'th 48 Wife of Robert Lowe died 1811 Jan 16 Lowe Oswell 6m Son of Robert and Sarah died 1819 Feb 7 {Handsworth Woodhouse} Lowe Sarah 43 Wife of Robert, Stone mason died 1827 Apr 13 {Handsworth Woodhouse} Lowe Myra 19 Daughter of Robert and Sarah died 1836 Apr 10 {Handsworth Woodhouse} Lowe Elizab'th buried 1858?? Lowe John buried 1858?? Lowe Mary buried 1877-1879?? Lowe Ann buried Lowe Sarah 78 Spinster died 1906 Mar 25 { Woodhouse; Sheffield} This is all the information that the document gives. Hope it is of some help to you. Carol, Sheffield

Hello Margaret and List, Thankyou for you answer Margaret, This makes me wonder even more if it wasn't Cutter, misheard. With clarity in mind, a search for the 1851 census might reveal the fact... this is what we intend to do. (This wasn't my idea, so cannot take the credit). It does make me wonder if being a Grinder wasn't the real cause of death of your Ancestor? as Grinder's lung could have produced similar symptons to Tuberculosis. It is known that Grinders in general did not as a rule enjoy good health and the death rate was high for anyone who was occupied in any of the Grinding Trades... re the Glass Factories Margaret. This morning I decided to re-visait Bradbury's Book 'History of Old Sheffield Plate' and found the following'... I knew I'd seen something about this before...Here is a List of Glass Makers which might be pertinent.It is under the Heading 'Where The Old Sheffield Plate Makers Obtained there Glass'. p 67-69. Fenton and Watson & Bradbury obtained their glass from the following Glass Makers/Factories: John Withey Sheffield May 3 1800 George Nichols Sheffield 1811-1813 Wm. Beatson &Co., Rotherham 1801-1803 JNO Dixon, Whittington "Glass House"1779-1807 "Preceding the Whittington Factory was another Factory at Bolsterstone, run by a Worcester man named Richard Dixon. He removed to Whittington; as well, in 1740 others from the Bolsterstone Factory set up Glass Works at Catcliffe and Attercliffe"...the latter Glass house is frequently mentioned in the Parish Registers, according to Bradbury. The Beatsons of Rotherham were known for their Flint Glass. It is probable that GeorgeNicholls & John Withey Sheffield were not Makers...the 1817 directory gives George Nicholls and Esther Withey as Glass Cutters, both in Norfolk Street so interesting inference... A Mr Westropp mentions in Bradbury's Book that: "It has never been found that the Irish Glass makers ever competed with the Birmingham and Dudley manufacturers in the supplying of glass for Old Sheffield Plated goods" there is a footnote that glass bottles were also made by the Whittington/Bolsterstone Factories. John Benson , Dudley1803-1812 Lee &Large Dudley 1804-5 Wm.Large Dudley 1805-6 Bruton Gibbons Birmingham 1806-12Large & Hodgetts Dudley1806-8 Isaac Hawker & son Birmingham 1784-94 James Smart Birmingham (see Jones Smart & Co., 1794-99 Jones Smart &Co Birmingham 1799-1805 Hughes & Harris Birmingham 1798-1803 Hughes & Fearon Birmingham 1805-10 (see Danl Hughes & C0., & Fearon Collins & Co.,) Hughes & Fearon Birmingham 1805-10 Danl Hughes Co., Birmingham 1810-11 Fearon Collins & Co., 1811-12 I& M Jones, Edgebaston Street Birmingham 1800-4 Shakespear Johnson & Co., Birmingham 1806 John Allen Birmingham., 1812 Should really go looking for things before I ask the List, and stop answering my own questions; still in that case, Margaret maybe wouldn't have got involved so I'm glad I asked about Glass Manufacturers... Hope the above List is helpful, for anyone else who might have wondered about Glass Factories....In my own defence...sometimes my back is very bad and I cannot sit too long and don't always have the get up and go to puruse my source material. Regards, Josephine, Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: <DayMargaretstan@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:22 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Glass Gunner? or... > Dear John > I also have a GLASS GRINDER in my Sheffield family, Francis OTTER died when > he was 38 of consumption in 1837 > (says FATHER .Glass GUTTER ? GLAZIER?? on my Gt. Grandfathers marriage > certi deceased) I have always wondered where this glass works was or if there > even was one . can SKS tell us all IF there was one PLEASE > Margaret Notts Uk > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > FLAMING or response postings to any unsavoury message content will not be tolerated on Eng-Sheffield. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Here in Australia a "gun" shearer is the top shearer in all aspects of sheep shearing. Maybe a Glass Gunner is the "Gun Grinder" in a glass factory. Then again - mmmm. John Elmes in SE Qld. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Josphine Laxton" <rlaxton@rogers.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:58 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Glass Gunner? > Hi List, > Any of you clever people ever heard of a 'Glass Gunner'? can't help but think this is a mistake, please feel free to correct me if I am wrong...that is what was written as the occupation of the father of a Bridegroom on a Marriage cert. The father's name was Thomas Younge, the Marriage took place circa 1849 at St. Peters Sheffield ... Thomas Younge's son, the Bridegroom, also a Thos Younge; was listed as occupation 'Roller', which I take to be his occupation in a Rolling Mill. Any help with this greatfully received. Regards, Josephine, Ontario. > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Visit: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield/ > Visit list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ENG-SHEFFIELD-L/ or > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-SHEFFIELD- > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx >

In a message dated 21/03/2005 05:33:30 GMT Standard Time, pbotham@telus.net writes: I have data taken from the 1841 census for a family in my ancestry. They lived at Heeley in the Ecclesall Bierlow district of Sheffield, (Am I right in expressing their district of residence in this way?) and the members were as follows: Joseph Archdale, 40; Mary Archdale, 30, Ann Archdale, 10; Sarah Archdale, 9; Maria Archdale, 7; and Mary Archdale, 4. As you can see As those of you experienced with the 1841 census can see, I don't have all the information taken at the census. First of all, I don't understand the address (shown as "Heeley" for all the names), and nothing is given regarding: Houses; Profession or trade; or the locations of birth of the family members. Hi First of all I think you need to understand the use of Ecclesall Bierlow. It is a collection of many parishes in and around Sheffield, some of them in the early days were outside the city boundary. Their actual residence was in Heeley, probably still a country area in 1841 so everyone knew who was who and who lived in their village. There probably was no street name even and certainly no house numbers. There were a few Cutlers and Scythe Makers but mostly Agriculture. The 1841 census does not give you much information at all. Certainly no place of birth but just the question of "were you born in county" the answer being simply "yes" or "no" which isn't much help. The best census to give you the information required would be the 1851 census but I am afraid I do not have a copy. I have sent you a history of Ecclesall Bierlow off line. Hope this helps Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com

Dear John I also have a GLASS GRINDER in my Sheffield family, Francis OTTER died when he was 38 of consumption in 1837 (says FATHER .Glass GUTTER ? GLAZIER?? on my Gt. Grandfathers marriage certi deceased) I have always wondered where this glass works was or if there even was one . can SKS tell us all IF there was one PLEASE Margaret Notts Uk

hello Gail, the Local History Fair will be on Saturday 7th May from 10am till 4pm. The venue is the Banqueting Suite in the Town Hall. I will be there representing the Friends of Walkley Cemetery! Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail 2nd Account" <gail.woodhead@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 12:17 PM Subject: Sheffield History Fair > Hello everyone, > Can someone tell me if there's a Sheffield History Fair this year, if so what is the date & venue, I know its about April May time, as I have been in the past. > Regards > Gail > > ______________________________

> Hi again Josephine > > Just found out what a glass grinder did - see below. Regards again - Ann > > TITLE(s): GLASS GRINDER (glass mfg.) > > Removes rough edges and surface convexities from formed glassware, using > belt or disk grinder: Turns valves to regulate flow of abrasive compound and > water on metal disk or to regulate flow of water on grinding wheel or belt > grinder. Presses and turns edges and surfaces of glass or glassware against > revolving grinding tools to remove rough and uneven areas. May measure > glassware for conformance to specifications, using steel tape, template, and > fixed gauges. May grind glass container mouth with mating glass stopper to > ensure fit and be designated Stopper Grinder (glass mfg.). >

Hello Josephine You asked in your email > Any of you clever people ever heard of a 'Glass Gunner'? I couldn't find a Glass Gunner, but I could find a Glass Grinder. Don't know what a glass grinder did though! Regards - Ann Hunt, Oakerthorpe, Derbyshire

Hello Listers, I have data taken from the 1841 census for a family in my ancestry. They lived at Heeley in the Ecclesall Bierlow district of Sheffield, (Am I right in expressing their district of residence in this way?) and the members were as follows: Joseph Archdale, 40; Mary Archdale, 30, Ann Archdale, 10; Sarah Archdale, 9; Maria Archdale, 7; and Mary Archdale, 4. As you can see As those of you experienced with the 1841 census can see, I don't have all the information taken at the census. First of all, I don't understand the address (shown as "Heeley" for all the names), and nothing is given regarding: Houses; Profession or trade; or the locations of birth of the family members. May I request that some kind soul who has the census records for 1841, 1851, 1861 or 1871 please look for this family and send me what they find. I don't expect that Sarah will appear from 1861 onwards as she married my GGGrandfather, William Drabble Botham in 1859. I have no idea of what happened to the other members of the family as time went on and would greatly appreciate the kindness of someone looking them up. Thank you Peter Botham Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada

Hi John and List, Thanks for your input John, very creative... who knows. Your guess is very innovative and thankyou... I was browsing through Google and it suddenly occurred to me that it maybe should have been written as Glass Cutter!!! not Gunner... makes more sense to me. Now what was he doing in a Glass Factory in Sheffield, the rest of the family were in Silver or other Metals... I know Fenton was involved in Glass, were there any other likely names for Glass Factories in Sheffield which spring to mind... my brain has been overworked already with the above problem. Kindest regards, Josephine, Ontario. p.s. I could still be wrong... ----- Original Message ----- From: "johnelmes" <johnelmes@ozemail.com.au> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Glass Gunner? > Here in Australia a "gun" shearer is the top shearer in all aspects of sheep > shearing. Maybe a Glass Gunner is the "Gun Grinder" in a glass factory. > Then again - mmmm. > > John Elmes in SE Qld. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Josphine Laxton" <rlaxton@rogers.com> > To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 4:58 AM > Subject: [SHEFF] Glass Gunner? > > > > Hi List, > > Any of you clever people ever heard of a 'Glass Gunner'? can't help > but think this is a mistake, please feel free to correct me if I am > wrong...that is what was written as the occupation of the father of a > Bridegroom on a Marriage cert. The father's name was Thomas Younge, the > Marriage took place circa 1849 at St. Peters Sheffield ... Thomas Younge's > son, the Bridegroom, also a Thos Younge; was listed as occupation 'Roller', > which I take to be his occupation in a Rolling Mill. Any help with this > greatfully received. Regards, Josephine, Ontario. > > > > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > > Visit: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield/ > > Visit list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ENG-SHEFFIELD-L/ or > > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-SHEFFIELD- > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > E-mail etiquette - CAPITALISE only research surnames, other CAPITALisation usually means you are SHOUTING!!! and may be interpreted as being offensive. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

John try looking for leslie Marshmont hume age two with parents george edwin and annie maud will send image off list if you want it they are living in jesmond Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: "john.hume" <john.hume@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 9:08 AM Subject: [SHEFF] HELP with the 1901 census PLEASE > Hi Everyone, > could some kind person please explain why I can not find someone on the 1901 census. I have a LESLEY MARCHMONT HUME, the GRO birth filch No. 4411 at June 1899 recorded at 11a-178, this is down as Newport M. > I know he was married to a IDA MAY BARKER in Worksop Nottinghamshire, had three children. Therefore he must have been alive in 1901. > This census dosen't even come up with a LESLEY or LESLIE or even a LES. Is this census NOT complete?. > > Any help cracking this nut will be extremely appreciated > thanks > John Morriss HUME > Always looking for:-HUME plus > ARCHER-Cradley Herts, 1840---BEAL(E) - Sheffield 1880 > BROOKES-Rotherham 1860---BUCKLAND-Nottingham 1880 > BURTON- Sheffield 1910---CARLTON-Sutton on Forest Yorks. 1730 > CLARKE-Myton Hall, Yorks 1825---CROWSHAW- Sheffield 1910 > HARGREAVES-West Yorks 1840---HARRISON-Nottingham 1760 > HELMAN-London 1850---HOLIDAY-Kilvington York 1780 > HUME- Lowestoft 1901--- > LINCOLN-London 1850--- MEDD-SEAMER YORK 1901---McBRIDE- Rotherham 1850 > SKELTON -York 1800---THEAKER- Sheffield 1910 > STANLEY-West Hartlepool-1863 > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > DO NOT post VIRUS or OFF TOPIC messages to Eng-Sheffield. Off topic content messages should be sent to the list admin instead. For Virus help access http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/announce.html#virus > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Ann and List, Thankyou for your fast reply Ann. I appreciate your input. The definition which you have given, may very well be correct. It is likely (I would think); that the term, on the Marriage cert of Occupation 'Glass Gunner' is somewhat fanciful...thanks again Ann, regards, Josephine, Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Hunt" <ann.hunt44@ntlworld.com> To: "Josphine Laxton" <rlaxton@rogers.com> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Glass Gunner? > Hi again Josephine > > Just found out what a glass grinder did - see below. Regards again - Ann > > TITLE(s): GLASS GRINDER (glass mfg.) > > Removes rough edges and surface convexities from formed glassware, using > belt or disk grinder: Turns valves to regulate flow of abrasive compound and > water on metal disk or to regulate flow of water on grinding wheel or belt > grinder. Presses and turns edges and surfaces of glass or glassware against > revolving grinding tools to remove rough and uneven areas. May measure > glassware for conformance to specifications, using steel tape, template, and > fixed gauges. May grind glass container mouth with mating glass stopper to > ensure fit and be designated Stopper Grinder (glass mfg.). > >