Hi I wondered if some kind person who has access to the 1851 census or index, might be able to do a check for this family of mine please. Mary BRAITHWAITE 42 born Sheffield Harriet daug 8 born Sheffield - possible daughter Henry 17 born Sheffield I would be truly grateful to find the husband to Mary so I can dig further into this family. Thanks heaps for any help. Gwen Nadin Did find these people on an index for 1861, but cannot confirm if they are all one family. Ta

Hi Can anyone advise me where I might find a will for Thomas LEEDELL He died between 1881 and 1891 in Ecclesall Bierlow area Thank you Christine 1945 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.3 - Release Date: 05/04/2005

Greetings Could this be your man? National Probate Calendar CHARLES CAVELL [sic] Personal Estate under £2,355 10s 8d 3 March 1882 The will of Charles Cavell the elder late of 10 Slinn St Walkley in the parish of Sheffield on the county of York Yeoman who died 11 Dec 1881 at 10 Slinn St was proved at WAKEFIELD by Francis Sutton of Revell Grange near Stannington in the parish of Ecclesfield in the said county Esquire and Benjamin Smith of Montague house, Crookesmoor Road in the parish of Sheffield steel manufacturer the Executors. All the above raises questions and gives some answers:- A copy of the will is held at Wakefield Yeoman says he was a landholder usually of smaller areas. Are Sutton and Smith son in laws or business associates or both. Is Revell Grange where the land lies? Do you have him at 10 Slinn St in the 1881 census. He is the "elder" so where is the younger Charles and why isn't he an executor? Lots to be going on with there! Another entry may also be of interest. THOMAS CAVILL [sic] personal estate under £1,500 10 January 1881 The will of Thomas Cavill late of 127 Cemetery Road Sheffield in the county of York Engineer who died 7 Nov 1880 at 127 Cemetery Road was proved at WAKEFIELD by Sarah Cavill of 127 Cemetery Road Widow the relict the sole Executrix. Could be a relation. I found more Cavells than Cavills so it seems you may need to look under both spellings. I always have to check under Elms as well as Elmes - the one that really gave me trouble was a spelling of Elemes. Best regards John Elmes SE Qld Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: <MissCavell@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:11 PM Subject: [SHEFF] wills > Hello all, > > I have a Charles Cavill, died Oct-Dec 1881 aged 72 at Eccleshall Bierlow, I > would like to know whether he left a will, he was listed as an annuitant for > the last few censuses before he died and in his younger life was a 'gentleman > farmer' so it has been suggested that he may have had some land or an > investment to leave to someone... I just don't have a clue how I would find out - > any suggestions? > > Thanks > Amanda Cavell > Liverpool > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > DO NOT post VIRUS or OFF TOPIC messages to Eng-Sheffield. Off topic content messages should be sent to the list admin instead. For Virus help access http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/announce.html#virus > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Hello Josephine Thanks for your reply and ideas. The information you have unearthed about Ralph Staveley is correct. I have traced that line back to the early 1700's (so far) in Tideswell. Elizabeth Hardy is my sticking point. I know she was a widow because that is her status on both the marriage licence and marriage record in the parish register. I am not too sure in all honesty about the correctness of her age yet. If she was indeed 69 in 1851 then she would have been about 40 when my gg grandfather, Henry, was born (less than 3 months after the marriage, hence the licence!) and about 42 when his brother was born. There only seem to have been two children from the marriage. I have no idea about any children from a previous marriage. Ralph died in Liverpool in 1839 at the age of 52 so he was about 35 at the time of the marriage. As yet I haven't been able to find Elizabeth in the 1841 census records. I am currently in the process of obtaining what I think is Elizabeth's death certificate which may clarify the age situation. I have been trying all sorts of directions to solve this one but nothing yet has provided any real information or leads. Sandra Hello Sandra and List, Sandra, are you certain that your Grandmother was a widow when she married Ralph Stavely? only there is a birth on the IGI for an Elizabeth Hardy, born 29 Dec 1782 Christened 05 January 1783 in Naburn, Yorkshire. She could have been born in one place (Sheffield) and christened in another. Her parents would have been Edward Hardy and Elizabeth (Weatherill) Hardy, if this is so. I noticed that there is a Marriage as you say for Elizabeth Hardy to Ralph Stavely 17 Feb. 1822 Saint Michael's Derby...I am fascinated that if the 1851 census was right, then your grandmother was at least 40 when she married? do you know how many children she had after marrying your Grandfather? I would be trying to find another census to see if the age is the same. It is a well known fact that ages on censuses are suspect... my own 3Xs great grandmother's age changed at least three times on three different censuses...I wouldn't go by just one. Re your Grandfather Ralph Staveley, there is only one birth of a Ralph Staveley on the IGI christened 23 October 1788 in Tideswell Derby, father Ralph Stavely, mother Sarah; you didn't mention how old your Grandfather was on the 1851 census... (this was however a submittal). There was a marriage for Ralph Staveley (Sr.) and Sarah Walker 01 January 1779 in Matlock Derby, (also a submittal) which suggests that there were more children born to this couple. In fact also on the IGI with a parent search comes the following information, Martha Staveley born 16 April 1781 Tideswell Derby to Ralph Staveley and Sarah, (this was an extracted entry and thus can be believed and it shows that there was such a couple, having children at the right time) and in 1784 Sarah Staveley christened 11 April 1784 in Tideswater to Ralph Staveley and Sarah...(another submittal, but more likely as there is a precedent with the extracted record, the other two need to be confirmed through Parish records as does the Marriage of Ralph and Sarah...sometimes one has to venture back and sideways to find answers. Although the conventional wisdom is to work backwards, I have found it exceedingly helpful to vary from that route, with excellent results... (These results must however be confirmed, cannot be taken as read). When one is stuck, put out feelers for other members of the family and see if anything gels, if not, nothing is lost, but a lot can be gained by this approach. What comes to mind right away is that if your 3Xsgreat grandmother was married before, unless she had no children by her 1st marriage, it would be likely that there should have been children from the previous marriage and they would likely have been with her on the 1831 census, maybe 1841, but not too likely. I know there is very little information usually on this particular census, however; if she had children living with her at that point born before 1822 (according to age) then it would be very likely that she was a widow. On the other hand if there was no evidence of prior children then it would be unlikely that she was a widow. Of course you would have to know when the family moved to Liverpool... Hope I have not totally confused you, Kindest regards, Josephine, Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Duncan" <Sandra@jean45.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: [SHEFF] ELIZABETH HARDY > I am new to this list. > > I am trying (so far without success) to find someone who can throw light on my ggg grandmother, Elizabeth HARDY. The problem I have is that when Elizabeth married my ggg grandfather, Ralph STAVELEY (in Derby in February 1822), she was a widow and both the marriage licence and the record of the marriage just list her as Hardy. I assume that this was her name from her previous marriage and so I am lacking a maiden name. > > The family subsequently moved to Liverpool and the 1851 census says that she was born in Sheffield. As her age was given as 69 in the census, this indicates a year of birth around 1782. > > I have hit a bit of a brick wall with Elizabeth and just wondered if anyone has any clues lurking in research connected with their own families. > > Any help would be gratefully received. > > Sandra Duncan > Chester, Cheshire > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Always include your name and area of residence on ALL list messages. It helps others to point you to your nearest source of information. It also makes for a more friendly message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Original Message From: "Sandra Duncan" Sandra@jean45.freeserve.co.uk To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05,2005 11:48 am Subject: [SHEFF] ELIZABETH HARDY Sandy writes: I am new to this list. I am trying (so far without success) to find someone who can throw light on my ggg grandmother, Elizabeth HARDY... etc. Second email from Sandy: Hello Josephine Thanks for your reply and ideas, The information you have unearthed about Ralph Staveley is correct...etc . Hi again Sandy, I did wonder how you knew she was a widow, thanks for clarifyng that. I do wonder about other children which she may have had in her first marriage... I too had got back as far as Tideswell, 1758 re the Ralphs, if I remember right. Let's hope that this was your Grandmother's death cert which you sent for, as it could give more info. Isn't Genealogy interesting? Will think about the problem re finding your Grandmother's Birth. Will let you know if I come up with anything. The only other thing which comes to mind is that they may have stayed in Derby after she was married the second time for awhile, depending on when they moved to Liverpool. One more thing, have you any idea what occupation your Grandfather was involved in as it may give some indication as to why he moved to Liverpool and where he might have been employed while still in Derby? It did cross my mind that Derby and Liverpool do not seemingly have too much in common... except for maybe paper, printing and cotton. I always think of the Docks etc in Liverpool and associate Liverpool with Commerce, Mills and Shipping etc, (probably wrongly). Having said that, I am never surprised at where I find my family now although I used to be. I always thought that they stayed around Sheffield, (Wrong)... they were much more adventurous back then than I ever gave them credit for. Maybe SKS maybe able to help with the 1841 census if you know which area they were living in at the time...may help to ask someone on the Derbyshire List for help as well if you haven't done so already, just a thought... the people on the Sheffield List are extremely helpful I find. Good luck with your research, sorry I couldn't be of any more help... regards, Josephine. > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > It helps others to know which message your replying to, so always add a little of the text from the message to which you are responding. Some subscribers (myself included) have short memories. > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

I am new to this list. I am trying (so far without success) to find someone who can throw light on my ggg grandmother, Elizabeth HARDY. The problem I have is that when Elizabeth married my ggg grandfather, Ralph STAVELEY (in Derby in February 1822), she was a widow and both the marriage licence and the record of the marriage just list her as Hardy. I assume that this was her name from her previous marriage and so I am lacking a maiden name. The family subsequently moved to Liverpool and the 1851 census says that she was born in Sheffield. As her age was given as 69 in the census, this indicates a year of birth around 1782. I have hit a bit of a brick wall with Elizabeth and just wondered if anyone has any clues lurking in research connected with their own families. Any help would be gratefully received. Sandra Duncan Chester, Cheshire

Hi Don't know what the heck went wrong then, sent the reply twice before I'd even typed it. Had a look in the 1925 Kelly's. The following Marsden came up Mrs Ellen Marsden 97 Tapton Hill Road Mrs Ellen Marsden shopkeeper 282 Holme Lane Mrs Nellie Greaves greengrocer 678 Brightside Lane Mrs Nellie greaves householder 36 Colver Road Sorry for the silence over the last few weeks, but my relatives have been adding to the D part of the BMD statistics. Chris Roderick

--- ENG-SHEFFIELD-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ENG-SHEFFIELD-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 135 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Marsden / Greaves / Smithson ["Joan > Marsden" <joan@marsden001.wa] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ENG-SHEFFIELD-D, send a message > to > > ENG-SHEFFIELD-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, > but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, > too. > > To contact the ENG-SHEFFIELD-D list administrator, > send mail to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ______________________________> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:12:51 +0100 > From: "Joan Marsden" <joan@marsden001.wanadoo.co.uk> > To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Marsden / Greaves / Smithson > > Hi, > > I subscribed to this list a while ago. I then had > problems with my computer and unsubscribed to spend > what feels like a lifetime sorting out the Tree > again. > > I have come to the proverbial brickwall with two of > my husbands uncles - Charles William MARSDEN and > John Edward MARSDEN. I found their birth > certificates quite quickly but their marriages are a > different story. I have sent for several marriage > certificates but have had no luck in finding the > correct matches. I am hoping that someone, somewhere > will recognise the following family details and be > kind enough to contact me. > > Violet Ellen MARSDEN is also proving to be rather > elusive......... > > ********************************************** > > William MARSDEN married his first wife, Clara > BULLOSS, in the Parish Church of St Mary, Walkley, > Sheffield in 1888. > > He married his second wife, Ellen GREAVES, at the > Parish Church, Sheffield in 1904. On the marriage > certificate his age is given as 39 years, occupation > painter. The brides age is given as 32 years - > fathers name Charles GREAVES (dec'd) occupation > grinder. > > William and Ellen had the following children all > born in Sheffield except John Edward who was born in > Boulton, Derby. > > Charles William born 1895 - John Edward born 1898 - > Violet Ellen born 1899 - Elizabeth Jane born 1902- > Nellie born 1904 - Ernest William born 1907 - Elsie > born 1910 - Florence Winifred born 1916 > > Oral history says that John worked in the Labour > Exchange in Sheffield. Charles sold fruit and veg - > but we don't know if he had a shop, a market stall > or a barrow. Violet became a nurse and left > Sheffield. Did she marry? Where did she go? > > Ellen GREAVES first husband was Joseph SMITHSON - > they married 1895 in Sheffield.. > > Ellens second husband - William MARSDEN - details > above. > > Her third husband was George Thompson IRONMONGER - > they married 1933 in Lincolnshire. > > I am hoping that someone will recognise the above > family and can help me to fill in the gaps. > > TIA > Joan (in Buckinghamshire) >

--- ENG-SHEFFIELD-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > ENG-SHEFFIELD-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 135 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Marsden / Greaves / Smithson ["Joan > Marsden" <joan@marsden001.wa] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from ENG-SHEFFIELD-D, send a message > to > > ENG-SHEFFIELD-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, > but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, > too. > > To contact the ENG-SHEFFIELD-D list administrator, > send mail to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-admin@rootsweb.com. > > ______________________________> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2005 21:12:51 +0100 > From: "Joan Marsden" <joan@marsden001.wanadoo.co.uk> > To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Marsden / Greaves / Smithson > > Hi, > > I subscribed to this list a while ago. I then had > problems with my computer and unsubscribed to spend > what feels like a lifetime sorting out the Tree > again. > > I have come to the proverbial brickwall with two of > my husbands uncles - Charles William MARSDEN and > John Edward MARSDEN. I found their birth > certificates quite quickly but their marriages are a > different story. I have sent for several marriage > certificates but have had no luck in finding the > correct matches. I am hoping that someone, somewhere > will recognise the following family details and be > kind enough to contact me. > > Violet Ellen MARSDEN is also proving to be rather > elusive......... > > ********************************************** > > William MARSDEN married his first wife, Clara > BULLOSS, in the Parish Church of St Mary, Walkley, > Sheffield in 1888. > > He married his second wife, Ellen GREAVES, at the > Parish Church, Sheffield in 1904. On the marriage > certificate his age is given as 39 years, occupation > painter. The brides age is given as 32 years - > fathers name Charles GREAVES (dec'd) occupation > grinder. > > William and Ellen had the following children all > born in Sheffield except John Edward who was born in > Boulton, Derby. > > Charles William born 1895 - John Edward born 1898 - > Violet Ellen born 1899 - Elizabeth Jane born 1902- > Nellie born 1904 - Ernest William born 1907 - Elsie > born 1910 - Florence Winifred born 1916 > > Oral history says that John worked in the Labour > Exchange in Sheffield. Charles sold fruit and veg - > but we don't know if he had a shop, a market stall > or a barrow. Violet became a nurse and left > Sheffield. Did she marry? Where did she go? > > Ellen GREAVES first husband was Joseph SMITHSON - > they married 1895 in Sheffield.. > > Ellens second husband - William MARSDEN - details > above. > > Her third husband was George Thompson IRONMONGER - > they married 1933 in Lincolnshire. > > I am hoping that someone will recognise the above > family and can help me to fill in the gaps. > > TIA > Joan (in Buckinghamshire) >

Could this be your man? National Probate Calendar CHARLES CAVELL [sic] Personal Estate under £2,355 10s 8d 3 March 1882 The will of Charles Cavell the elder late of 10 Slinn St Yes that's him! I have him at 10 Slinn Street in the 1881 census - and you're right about the questions, Charles had 5 sons living in the area as well as a few sons-in-law... as far as I know, Francis Sutton was the employer of 2 of Charles' children, in 1871 Frances Cavill was a nursemaid and Robert Cavill was a coachman at Revill Grange, but this a stronger connection. I'm baffled, but that seems to be the way with this business! Thanks very much for your help, it is hugely appreciated. Amanda Cavell Liverpool.

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Hello Sandra and List, Sandra, are you certain that your Grandmother was a widow when she married Ralph Stavely? only there is a birth on the IGI for an Elizabeth Hardy, born 29 Dec 1782 Christened 05 January 1783 in Naburn, Yorkshire. She could have been born in one place (Sheffield) and christened in another. Her parents would have been Edward Hardy and Elizabeth (Weatherill) Hardy, if this is so. I noticed that there is a Marriage as you say for Elizabeth Hardy to Ralph Stavely 17 Feb. 1822 Saint Michael's Derby...I am fascinated that if the 1851 census was right, then your grandmother was at least 40 when she married? do you know how many children she had after marrying your Grandfather? I would be trying to find another census to see if the age is the same. It is a well known fact that ages on censuses are suspect... my own 3Xs great grandmother's age changed at least three times on three different censuses...I wouldn't go by just one. Re your Grandfather Ralph Staveley, there is only one birth of a Ralph Staveley on the IGI christened 23 October 1788 in Tideswell Derby, father Ralph Stavely, mother Sarah; you didn't mention how old your Grandfather was on the 1851 census... (this was however a submittal). There was a marriage for Ralph Staveley (Sr.) and Sarah Walker 01 January 1779 in Matlock Derby, (also a submittal) which suggests that there were more children born to this couple. In fact also on the IGI with a parent search comes the following information, Martha Staveley born 16 April 1781 Tideswell Derby to Ralph Staveley and Sarah, (this was an extracted entry and thus can be believed and it shows that there was such a couple, having children at the right time) and in 1784 Sarah Staveley christened 11 April 1784 in Tideswater to Ralph Staveley and Sarah...(another submittal, but more likely as there is a precedent with the extracted record, the other two need to be confirmed through Parish records as does the Marriage of Ralph and Sarah...sometimes one has to venture back and sideways to find answers. Although the conventional wisdom is to work backwards, I have found it exceedingly helpful to vary from that route, with excellent results... (These results must however be confirmed, cannot be taken as read). When one is stuck, put out feelers for other members of the family and see if anything gels, if not, nothing is lost, but a lot can be gained by this approach. What comes to mind right away is that if your 3Xsgreat grandmother was married before, unless she had no children by her 1st marriage, it would be likely that there should have been children from the previous marriage and they would likely have been with her on the 1831 census, maybe 1841, but not too likely. I know there is very little information usually on this particular census, however; if she had children living with her at that point born before 1822 (according to age) then it would be very likely that she was a widow. On the other hand if there was no evidence of prior children then it would be unlikely that she was a widow. Of course you would have to know when the family moved to Liverpool... Hope I have not totally confused you, Kindest regards, Josephine, Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sandra Duncan" <Sandra@jean45.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 11:48 AM Subject: [SHEFF] ELIZABETH HARDY > I am new to this list. > > I am trying (so far without success) to find someone who can throw light on my ggg grandmother, Elizabeth HARDY. The problem I have is that when Elizabeth married my ggg grandfather, Ralph STAVELEY (in Derby in February 1822), she was a widow and both the marriage licence and the record of the marriage just list her as Hardy. I assume that this was her name from her previous marriage and so I am lacking a maiden name. > > The family subsequently moved to Liverpool and the 1851 census says that she was born in Sheffield. As her age was given as 69 in the census, this indicates a year of birth around 1782. > > I have hit a bit of a brick wall with Elizabeth and just wondered if anyone has any clues lurking in research connected with their own families. > > Any help would be gratefully received. > > Sandra Duncan > Chester, Cheshire > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Always include your name and area of residence on ALL list messages. It helps others to point you to your nearest source of information. It also makes for a more friendly message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi John Is this National Probate Calendar available online? I've never come across it before. Thanks - Shelagh -----Original Message----- From: johnelmes [mailto:johnelmes@ozemail.com.au] Sent: 05 April 2005 11:11 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SHEFF] wills Greetings Could this be your man? National Probate Calendar

Hi, I subscribed to this list a while ago. I then had problems with my computer and unsubscribed to spend what feels like a lifetime sorting out the Tree again. I have come to the proverbial brickwall with two of my husbands uncles - Charles William MARSDEN and John Edward MARSDEN. I found their birth certificates quite quickly but their marriages are a different story. I have sent for several marriage certificates but have had no luck in finding the correct matches. I am hoping that someone, somewhere will recognise the following family details and be kind enough to contact me. Violet Ellen MARSDEN is also proving to be rather elusive......... ********************************************** William MARSDEN married his first wife, Clara BULLOSS, in the Parish Church of St Mary, Walkley, Sheffield in 1888. He married his second wife, Ellen GREAVES, at the Parish Church, Sheffield in 1904. On the marriage certificate his age is given as 39 years, occupation painter. The brides age is given as 32 years - fathers name Charles GREAVES (dec'd) occupation grinder. William and Ellen had the following children all born in Sheffield except John Edward who was born in Boulton, Derby. Charles William born 1895 - John Edward born 1898 - Violet Ellen born 1899 - Elizabeth Jane born 1902- Nellie born 1904 - Ernest William born 1907 - Elsie born 1910 - Florence Winifred born 1916 Oral history says that John worked in the Labour Exchange in Sheffield. Charles sold fruit and veg - but we don't know if he had a shop, a market stall or a barrow. Violet became a nurse and left Sheffield. Did she marry? Where did she go? Ellen GREAVES first husband was Joseph SMITHSON - they married 1895 in Sheffield.. Ellens second husband - William MARSDEN - details above. Her third husband was George Thompson IRONMONGER - they married 1933 in Lincolnshire. I am hoping that someone will recognise the above family and can help me to fill in the gaps. TIA Joan (in Buckinghamshire)

Hi All, I wonder if SKS has the above index and could tell me the Census Ref for George Valentine JOHNSON born 1848 Lambeth,London but living in Sheffield with his mother Ann Green in 1871. Thanks in advance Trevor Kersley Easingwold,North Yorks Web Page:- http://www.trevorkersley.co.uk Researching:- KERSLEY....Sheffield 1898+ & Winchester, Hampshire. ROBERTS....Sheffield,Yks & Llanrwst,Denbigshire. LILL....Sheffield & Doncaster Yks & Boston,Lincs. GAMBLE....Helmsley & York,Yks. ETHELL...Huttons Ambo + York + All Yorks & All Kent. REVIS... Westow & Malton, Yorks. WAKE... Brandsby, Crayke, & Stillington,Yorks. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 01/04/2005

Dear Listers, I have just said goodbye to the last of my Yorkshire Easter invasion - what a nice one it was. I hope everyone had as nice an Easter Holiday as I did. Now that life is somewhat back to normal, here is the latest update. Sadly, the list of email defaulters grew to astronomical proportions in the past ten days. All those listed below have had all their submissions deleted and will have to resubmit. You might wish to check your own entries in case you have recently changed ISPs or email accounts and have forgotten to tell me. Remember, send me your OLD and your NEW emails together so that I can identify your submissions. (Don't worry about the names as my search will be based on the email address.) Barbara Whitehouse (9) barbaraw@dsl.pipex.com Shirley Harrison (8) shirleyharrison@onepark.freeserve.co.uk Jean Creswick (8) jcreswick@columbia-center.org David Cowton (7) davecowton@v21mail.co.uk S. Arundel-Ross (4) S._Arundel-Ross@bc.sympatico.ca Karen Lamola (4) klamola@prodigy.net Chris Roderick (4) christineroderick@btintenet.com Shona Henderson (3) junkshop@ntlworld.com Jacquie Stone (2) AandJRStoneat5@lineone.net Mary Haywood (2) mhaywood@terra.net.au Chris Linley (2) cj@heart13.fsnet.co.uk Ernest Bean (1) ernest.bean@virgin.net The following surnames were submitted this update. Let's hope one or more of these help you to get rid of the proverbial brick walls! AUTY BEAUMONT, BOLLAND, BOOTH(2), BRIDEKIRK DEAN(2) EDWARDS, ELLENER, ELLIOTT FIRTH, FISHER GOMERSALL H(E)ALEY, HARDY, HEYWOOD, HOLDSWORTH, HOLROYD LEYLAND, LUMB MARTINSON NICHOLSON PALMER RENDER, RICH, ROBINSON SHEARD, SIMMONS, SNOWDEN, SPIVEY TALBOT, TAYLOR WEBBER, WELLS, WHEWAY, WHISKER Happy hunting everyone! Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens YKS Surnames List Administrator -- For all communications, please use: YKSsurnames@yahoo.com THE SURNAMES INDEX CAN BE FOUND AT THE YKS SURNAMES LIST HOME PAGE. PLEASE GO TO: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/yks.htm

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hi elaine and list i have found my john travis and were he came from. on the 1871 census he is still at treeton but he is put under the name john traves and 54 instead of 64 thats why i could not find him and it says he came from consbro so i now know where he came from.thanks to all who tried to help regards carol slater from sheffield Elaine Pickard <trayford@rogers.com> wrote: -------Original Message------- From: Elaine Pickard Date: 04/03/05 23:08:16 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com; carol slater Subject: Re: [SHEFF] place name help Hi Carol, A good place to start when you are unsure of a place name in Yorkshire is the following Genuki page...... http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Where/index.html John Travis 1871...... Is living with his father in law in Brightside Bierlow......... Catherine St ... RG 10/4691. Hope that helps. Kindest regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005 ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== It helps others to know which message your replying to, so always add a little of the text from the message to which you are responding. Some subscribers (myself included) have short memories. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi Liz, As you say on the 1871 census he's living with his wife and son in Peacroft" aged 60 and a Tailor..... Had an look for him on the 1861 census index......... 348456RobertFLINT57STSDodsley 348456AnnFLINT52YKSSheffield 348456Walter R.FLINT19YKSSheffield 348456Edward G.FLINT16YKSSheffield 348456RobertFLINT13YKSSheffield 348456AbrahamFLINT10YKSSheffield So Walter R was born in Sheffield......... FLINT Robert Walter Sheffield 22572 March qtr 1842. and I can see the other children listed on FreeBMD's. As far as the 1841 census is concerned........ Looks as if they could be in the Sheffield North area and we still have a few that are being typed for that area........ But keep checking back........... Regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.1 - Release Date: 4/1/2005