Hi Roy, It would be very helpful if you gave us specific people to look for and time frames...... Kindest regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005

-------Original Message------- From: Elaine Pickard Date: 04/11/05 11:55:38 To: carol cooper Cc: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Burial place Hi Carol, If you could give us the name of the person and the year we could look up the known burials and rule out possible places......because as you say it could be anywhere depending on many variables such as the religious persuasion of the person....... Regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005

Hello Glen , I noticed the list about Athletes of the Sheffield United Harriers ,, would there be further info on this S. Chaffey 1939 ? the Chaffeys are in my line and were formarly of Dorsetshire, England. A full first name for him , anything known of him? Thank You in advance, Jean Boone Ohio USA JLB7981@aol.com

Hi,All, I'm looking for the marriage of Simeon Handley and Mary ? about 1814/15 in Sheffield. Could be in the Tinsley area as they had a daughter,Christiana ,bap 25 Dec.1815. Hope that SKS might be able to help. Regards. Gordon Neal. B.C. Canada.

I have just made a wonderful discovery this week. I have been researching history of Sheffield United Harriers up to c1920 and managed to find someone who has the original Humberstone Cup for athletics in his attic!!. (Its a long story!)He sent me a digital photo inscribed with a list of winners inc my great grandfather William Doubleday PIPER. Here are all the names on the cup.I can send a digital photo if you spot any ancestors. My contact has also sent me copies of the Sheffield United Harriers minute book c1899-1901 and i am busy transcribing names. This is a unique document I will post a list of names asap and deposit a copy at the Sheffield archives soon. Any more info on Sheffield United Harriers would be most welcome Humberstone cup winners 1901was E Bannister 1902 G Spooner 1903 N Baldwin 1904 N Baldwin 1905 W.D Piper 1906 S Howard 1907-8 A Turner 1915 J W Round 1916 C W Hissett 1918 J E Sharman 1919 H Legge 1920 L Sandall 1921 T Handley 1927 W Hibberd 1932 C Christian(long time chairman of the club) 1936 E Whitehurst 1937 H Ibbotson 1938 JE Meek 1939 S Chaffey 1940 R Barden 1943 F A L Turner 1944 K W Atkin 1945 P Challenger 1946 D Waddington 1947 C A Fearn 1949 R Watson 1950 D Beckett 1954 J B E Edwards 1955 D Binns 1957 F Jarvis 1961 M Thursby 1962 D Oldfield(current member) 1965 M Exley 1969 R Marsh 1973 P SHAW 1974 M sMITH 1976 j sTRINGER Glenn Piper researching PIPER-UK. Sheffield 1911 newspapers on cd/dvd. Free surname and general index. Other indexes in progress. See www.cpiper.freeserve.co.uk I use Archive books to help my research. www.archivecdbooks.org

How about this lady, hardly Bradfield bit it may be worth checking out. Name: Lathrop, Sarah Record Type: Marriages Quarter: March Year: 1875 District: Halifax County: West Riding of Yorkshire West Yorkshire Volume: 9a Happy hunting Dick ----- Original Message ----- From: <EvanBarr@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 5:41 PM Subject: [SHEFF] ??? PLEASE SKS, ADVISE NEEDED DESPARATELY ??? > June, I am trying to get this note together so I can send out another > request for help on that marriage search. I have psoriasis now in my left ear and > it has got on my ear drum. I'm am going wild with an ear ache you wouldn't > believe. I'm so frightened that it will hit me right ear too and there isn't > anything they can do. I'm going nuts trying to compose this and hit > everything we've do for the search. Read it and add and correct as you find where it > is needed. If you can think of anything you have done other then what I > have put down please add or correct it. Oh Lord, I know I'm repeating myself > but I can't go back and check honey. I'm hurting so. Just forward it back to > me please. > Dinnie > > >>On the trail of my missing great aunt. HELP PLEASE. > > Sarah LATHROPE born 10 Apr 1850 in Slack End, North Bierley, to Robert and > Harriet LATHROPE. > > 1867 Sarah was a witness on her mother Harriet's death certificate in > Deepcar, near Sheffield, Yorkshire > > 1870 Sarah has a baby boy Albert Edward Lathrope out of wed-lock 1 June 1870 > at Daniel Hill, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire, England > > 1871 census She was living with her sister and brother in law in > Bolsterstone, Yorkshire. > > 1872 baby Albert, dies 22 May 1872, at Castle Bents, Brad field, Yorkshire, > England > > I have searched marriage records from St. Philips and St. Bartholomew's in > Sheffield, and from St, Nicholas in Bradfield > > I have searched the Civil Registry Index for all of England and Wales for > all 144 spellings for LATHROPE. With no results. > > I have also searched the Civil Registry Index for her marriage to a Farewell > BILLS and a Mark PARKIN with no results. > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > All internet users should have a virus detection program installed. If you dont have one then please install one immediately. > ***** You Know It Makes Sense ***** > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Have you spotted an Ellen LATHROPE born approx 1854 at North Bierley. She is on the 1871 census as a daughter, but her parents are not LATHROPE., but William and Sarah ELLIS. Source information: RG10/4441 Registration district: Bradford Sub-registration district: North Bierley ED, institution, or vessel: 13 Folio: 45 Page: 35 There were other siblings Frederick LATHROPE 15, Miranda LATHROPE 11, and Harriet ELLIS 3 - there were all at Acre Street, North Bierley. I don't know if this helps, but such an unusual name born in the same place is surely some relative. Kind Regards Kay-UK -----Original Message----- From: EvanBarr@aol.com [mailto:EvanBarr@aol.com] Sent: 10 April 2005 17:42 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] ??? PLEASE SKS, ADVISE NEEDED DESPARATELY ??? June, I am trying to get this note together so I can send out another request for help on that marriage search. I have psoriasis now in my left ear and it has got on my ear drum. I'm am going wild with an ear ache you wouldn't believe. I'm so frightened that it will hit me right ear too and there isn't anything they can do. I'm going nuts trying to compose this and hit everything we've do for the search. Read it and add and correct as you find where it is needed. If you can think of anything you have done other then what I have put down please add or correct it. Oh Lord, I know I'm repeating myself but I can't go back and check honey. I'm hurting so. Just forward it back to me please. Dinnie >>On the trail of my missing great aunt. HELP PLEASE. Sarah LATHROPE born 10 Apr 1850 in Slack End, North Bierley, to Robert and Harriet LATHROPE. 1867 Sarah was a witness on her mother Harriet's death certificate in Deepcar, near Sheffield, Yorkshire 1870 Sarah has a baby boy Albert Edward Lathrope out of wed-lock 1 June 1870 at Daniel Hill, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire, England 1871 census She was living with her sister and brother in law in Bolsterstone, Yorkshire. 1872 baby Albert, dies 22 May 1872, at Castle Bents, Brad field, Yorkshire, England I have searched marriage records from St. Philips and St. Bartholomew's in Sheffield, and from St, Nicholas in Bradfield I have searched the Civil Registry Index for all of England and Wales for all 144 spellings for LATHROPE. With no results. I have also searched the Civil Registry Index for her marriage to a Farewell BILLS and a Mark PARKIN with no results. ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== All internet users should have a virus detection program installed. If you dont have one then please install one immediately. ***** You Know It Makes Sense ***** ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 07/04/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 07/04/2005

Dear list, please forgive the previous request. I was having a bad ear ache and posted my message too soon. I'm so embarrassed. Here is the request I did want to post: Could SKS with access to parish registers for Bradfield or Nether Hallam help find the marriage of Sarah Lathrope to Farewell Bills about 1870-71? GRO indexes for marriages have been searched several times with no positive results. 1 June 1870, child born to Sarah Lathrope (no father), residence Daniel Hill, Nether Hallam 1871 census: Sarah and husband Farewell Bills, residence 14 Langsett Rd, Nether Hallam. (piece 4662, ED 12, fol 153, page 41, St. Philip's ecc district) 22 May 1872, child (now with Bills surname) dies at Castle Bent, Bradfield; buried St. Nicholas, Bradfield. It would appear the marriage took place between the child's birth in June, 1870, and the census in April, 1871. 1873 & 1875: Bills children born Castles Bent, Bradfield; subsequent children born (1877-1885) Nether Hallam. 1881 census: Grammar St., Nether Hallam. Any help or suggestions would be very much appreciated." What a great group, Hugzz, Dinnie from southern California

June, I am trying to get this note together so I can send out another request for help on that marriage search. I have psoriasis now in my left ear and it has got on my ear drum. I'm am going wild with an ear ache you wouldn't believe. I'm so frightened that it will hit me right ear too and there isn't anything they can do. I'm going nuts trying to compose this and hit everything we've do for the search. Read it and add and correct as you find where it is needed. If you can think of anything you have done other then what I have put down please add or correct it. Oh Lord, I know I'm repeating myself but I can't go back and check honey. I'm hurting so. Just forward it back to me please. Dinnie >>On the trail of my missing great aunt. HELP PLEASE. Sarah LATHROPE born 10 Apr 1850 in Slack End, North Bierley, to Robert and Harriet LATHROPE. 1867 Sarah was a witness on her mother Harriet's death certificate in Deepcar, near Sheffield, Yorkshire 1870 Sarah has a baby boy Albert Edward Lathrope out of wed-lock 1 June 1870 at Daniel Hill, Ecclesall Bierlow, Yorkshire, England 1871 census She was living with her sister and brother in law in Bolsterstone, Yorkshire. 1872 baby Albert, dies 22 May 1872, at Castle Bents, Brad field, Yorkshire, England I have searched marriage records from St. Philips and St. Bartholomew's in Sheffield, and from St, Nicholas in Bradfield I have searched the Civil Registry Index for all of England and Wales for all 144 spellings for LATHROPE. With no results. I have also searched the Civil Registry Index for her marriage to a Farewell BILLS and a Mark PARKIN with no results.

The LDS film 1426108 has a section titled ELLIN family and connection giving genealogical notes and pedigrees. Henry Ellyne of Womersley, husbandman buried 12 April 1586 married to Elizabeth buried 11 Dec 1584. Brotherton and Knottingley places named. A Bible entry listed for Thomas Ellin junior of Sheffield giving his children's bbirth dates and deaths. The book it was taken from was printed in 1916. Aileen in Australia

Hi All Extracts from the Sheffield Daily Independent cd newspaper www.cpiper.freeserve.co.uk This week in 1911 Census Stories - Some funny incidents Weary census officers trudged around Sheffield yesterday collecting the thousands of schedules which were distributed last week. It was not a particular thrilling time what with the bewildering questions of the ignorant, and the pertness of well to do snobs, who endeavoured to make the officials lot as difficult as possible. The latter type of people appeared to imagine that the enumerators were entirely responsible for the census being taken, and treated the officials with suspicion that was amusing to the observer. In many instances the enumerators were told to "call again". It is a an astonishing fact that there is still hostility in Sheffield against the taking of the census. One old gentleman, living not far from the University, for example, was labouring under the delusion that the primary object of the census was for taxation. When the enumerator handed him the paper he was full of wrath and flung it in the fire. He warned the census officer that he would never fill it up. The enumerators have discovered that the delicate question as to a lady's age is not confined to whiskered jokes and funny stories. The lot of some these lady's is so happy that they appear to lose count of the number of years that pass by. Some only feel about five years older since the last census, and they calmly put on the schedule a figure about five years in advance of their last census. The column as to infirmities appears to have puzzled many. "My wife drinks: is that an infirmity ?" asked one man. "In some cases" said the officer who was collecting in the Crofts area, "the children have filled in the forms for their parents, the latter being unable to read or write, but of course supply the information. So much difficulty was experienced in getting papers from the better class houses in Sharrow that one census officer only secured ten papers in an hour and a half. Men who have been married twice and have in thier homes children of both marriages have been somewhat concerned when filling up their forms. As one man expressed it "I have to give exact particulars as to the period of the present marriage, which happens to be ten years, and in the other column I have to state that of my five children living in the house one is twenty years of age and another is eighteen years, and I cannot find any place in which to put an explanation". "I'll not argue the point with you my boy" exclaimed one collector of schedules at Nether Edge, when he found his way barred by a savage looking bull dog. "Work depends on weather" wrote one man on his form. The enumerator wanted something more definate. "Well, my last jobs have all been snow shifting", replied the head of the family. Some little men with big wives, and some big men with little wives, have had great satisfaction for once in a way of being able to declare themselves the head of the family. One amusing feature about the census so far as Sheffield is concerned has been the "literal" interpretaion of the time the papers should be filled in. Scores of people sat up until midnight and commenced to fill the papers in on the stroke of twelve. A proud father in Ecclesall who had a baby a few hours old, calmly explained on the census form that the baby was single and not married. A Sheffield parent who should have known better, described his three year old son as a "mischief brewer" The keepers of common lodging houses in the city had an unenviable time in filling up forms. Many men were particularly foolish, thinking there was something sinister about the inquiries. The wags gave all kind of names. One man declared that he was the Earl Fitzwilliam, and another insisted he was Lloyd George in disguise. -------------------------------- Maybe some food for thought there somewhere. Regards Gordon List Admin (in Sheffield) Sheffield Genealogy Website : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 07/04/2005

Hi All, I've discovered an ancestor worked as a cook at Broom House, Broom Hall at Havelock (?) Square Sheffield, her name was Mary Marie Green who married my g grandfather Frederick HUME. Their daughter Daisy Virginia Hume married Hiram CRAWSHAW. Does anyone have any information regarding this 'establishment'. Also Mary Marie had a son, John William Green, but we know him as John William Hume, did people around 1900 just change their names or was it done officially. Any information would be appreciated Many thanks John Hume Nottingham

Hi everyone Is anyone researching ROWLAND in Sheffield and has this family or can anyone help please? I have the following family in 1841 living in Hollis Croft, Sheffield. They are all born Sheffield. Sarah ROWLAND (wid) Age 40 Thomas ROWLAND (son) Age 15 John ROWLAND (son) Age 15 Caroline ROWLAND (dau) Age 10 Matilda ROWLAND (dau) Age 5 Wilfred ROWLAND (son) Age 5 I know that Caroline had an illegitimate child Eliza Catherine ROWLAND born 19 May 1846 also Sheffield. If anyone can find the marriage for Sarah as this would give the husband and Sarah maiden name. Caroline must have married later if anyone can find a marriage or find her on the 1851 or 1861 census then it will help narrow the field for searching for a marriage. All help is very much appreciated. Regards Karen Cogan West Yorks

Hi guys I was wondering if anyone is researching the above name plus any other spellings. I am trying to find the parents of Ann born about 1816 and her brother Alfred born about 1827 both in Sheffield. Alfred appeared with Ann and her family in the 1841 census. She married William WALKER. Any help with this family will be very much appreciated as I have not found any other information. Regards Karen Cogan West Yorkshire P.S. Sorry if this got posted twice. probs with my e-mail.

Hi everyone hope your all having a nice weekend. Please could SKS look up the following family for me and if possible send the images off list for 1851 & 1861 William WALKER born c.1816 in Sheffield Ann WALKER (wife) born c.1816 - think maiden name is BEVENS or BIVINS Alfred WALKER son born c.1837 Sheffield William WALKER son born 1838 Sheffield Wilfred WALKER born 11/11/1841 birth registered Ecclesall Bierlow They were living in Porter Street in 1841 both at the time of the census and when Wilfred was born. All help is very much appreciated and if anyone has a connection to this family then please contact me. Regards Karen Cogan West Yorks

Hello List, Just thought I would update the folk who kindly helped me with the JENKINSON info recently. As I said in my earlier messages, I sent for the birth certificate for the Richard JENKINSON that I found born in the March Qtr 1862 and I have received the certificate this morning. Good news, it's the right one and the information that Karen Lightowler and Tracey (Leicestershire) sent me was correct. Also, the assumptions that I had arrived at (based on Karen & Tracey's info) was also correct, see my original snippet below, "Tracey kindly provided me with (from the 1881 Census) Richard TINKINSON, aged: 18, a Trammer Coal Miner, born: Stannington and living with grandparents John & Ruth MARSHALL at Hunshelf/Deepcar. I have now found this John & Ruth MARSHALL in the 1841, 1851 and 1871 Census records and believe that my Michael JENKINSON (or whatever other surname variant he uses) may have married one of John & Ruth MARSHALL's daughters, possibly their daughter Mary (b: c1842) which would make her approx 20 years of age when Richard was born in 1862". Richard is the son of Michael JENKINSON and I was also correct in my assumption that he would probably have been the son of John & Ruth MARSHALL's daughter Mary, see details of certificate below, When & where born: 27th January 1862 Name: Richard Name & surname of father: Michael JENKINSON Name & maiden surname of mother: Mary JENKINSON formerly MARSHALL Occupation of father: Miner for Water Comp. Sig/Res of informant: the mark of Mary JENKINSON, mother, Stannington, Bradfield This little snippet for Karen Lightowler, Karen, as Michael JENKINSON is listed as a Miner for Water Company and the year on the certificate is 1862, is it reasonably safe to assume that he would probably been involved in the construction of the Bradfield dams, possibly Dale Dyke? So all in all a great result thanks in particular to Karen & Tracey and many others who all offered advice. Just got to get the research going now on my newly found JENKINSON's and a whole new MARSHALL family. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD RESEARCHING Paternal Line CRAWSHAW (Dungworth / Storrs / Hilltop / Stannington / Bradfield / Hillsborough, Sheffield) HORSFIELD (Bradfield / Wadsley / Loxley, Sheffield) BARBER (Stannington, Bradfield) DRABBLE (Stannington, Bradfield) BRAMALL (Storrs / Hilltop / Stannington, Bradfield) MORTON (Stannington / Bradfield, Sheffield) SHARP(E) (Dronfield, Dbys / Roscoe Wheel, Rivelin / Stannington, Bradfield) BRADWELL (Bradwell & Hope, Derbyshire / Stannington, Bradfield & Hillsborough, Sheffield) GOODISON (Stannington, Bradfield) OATES (Stannington, Bradfield) JENKINSON (Stannington & Wadsley, Sheffield) MARSHALL (Stannington, Hunshelf, Deepcar) WOOD (Hillsborough / Heeley, Sheffield) THOMAS (Boston, Lincolnshire & Hillsborough, Sheffield) CHAMBERS (Butterwick, Lincolnshire) Maternal Line HARTLEY (Morley/Holbeck, Leeds & Sheffield ) HOLLOWAY (Sheffield) FELL (Sheffield) FELL-HOLLOWAY (Sheffield) SHAW (Addy St, Upperthorpe, Sheffield & Ulley, Aston Parish) DRAKE (St. Philip's Rd, Sheffield) BEHR & BOTCHER (Liban, Russia) ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd April 2005 ----------------------------------------------------

Hi Jeremy Great to hear the certificate has helped proved your assumptions. As for this snippet “as Michael JENKINSON is listed as a Miner for Water Company and the year on the certificate is 1862, is it reasonably safe to assume that he would probably been involved in the construction of the Bradfield dams, possibly Dale Dyke?” well, yes, it would seem likely and needless to say, it has piqued my interest as, according to Samuel Harrison [journalist at the time of the flood and author of the book A Complete History of the Great Flood at Sheffield], a man called JENKINSON died in the flood and he tells us “A great many dead bodies were found in this neighbourhood. In these gardens were a number of small cottages, some of them used merely as tool houses, and others occupied by the artisans who rented the garden plots. In one of these houses, only one story high, lived a man named Jetty, his wife, and three children. They were all drowned, and in fact had no chance of escape. In another garden Thomas Elston, his wife, and a child, were drowned. A house occupied by a man named Jenkinson was partly destroyed, and it is supposed that he lost his life”. Despite this the name Jenkinson does not appear in the list of victims produced by Chief Constable John Jackson and later reproduced in Harrison’s book. A search of the NBI showed only one male adult in 1864 that of William JENKINSON aged 47 buried on 20th March 1864 at St Mary’s Church in Sheffield but the name actually turned out to be JINKINSON. Having purchased his death certificate I was somewhat disappointed to see that the cause of death was not drowning. William died on 14th March 1864 at Hermitage Lane Ecclesall Bierlow of “Angina Pectoris” [medical term for chest pain or discomfort due to coronary heart disease]. The death was registered by Jane Jinkinson of Court 29 Pearl Street but the only entry for her in the 1861 census was living at ‘ Sunderland Street Bk’ with husband John and four sons. An account in the newspaper ‘The Doncaster, Nottingham & Lincoln Gazette Supplement’ dated Friday March 18th 1864 says ‘A man named Jenkinson who lived near Neepsend Lane’. In the 1861 census Oliver and Mary Ann JENKINSON were living at Neepsend Lane with 8 children and a grand son. Karen Hill has since proved that Oliver was her ancestor and it seems unlikely that anyone in Oliver’s family died in the flood. So, after all this, I tend to think reports at the time of the flood stating, “a house occupied by a man named Jenkinson was partly destroyed, and it is supposed that he lost his life” was actually incorrect but I do hope someone can prove me wrong! Thanks again Jeremy Best Regards Karen Lightowler Doncaster, South Yorkshire Researching the Sheffield Flood

Hi All, Would anyone have access to the 1851 census for Whiston who could check for a family for me? I'm seaching for William & Eliza BIRKHEAD with children: Henry, Ann, Sarah, John, Emma, Rebecca, Eliza and James. Any help is very much appreciated! -Carrie

Sorry I meant to say 1851 census in the last message. Lorna

I have just received the following information on a marriage certificate. Could SKS with access to the 1851 census tell me where this couple were living and, if with their families, the age and birth place of George FIELDSEND and his wife. December 4th 1854 St George's Sheffield Joseph FIELDSEND 23 bach Clerk New Edward St Bridgehouses Father George FIELDSEND railway porter Harriot SORSBY 22 Spinster Eyre St Father John SORSBY Engineer Witnesses William WILSON and Cooper CORBEDGE ======================================= Lorna in wet and windy Derbyshire