Hi Hilary....Many men tend to have tunnel vision when it comes to family history. My 4th cousin 1x removed only takes the direct line...how I found him I don't know!!! (Don't think he'll be looking at this list at the moment!!!) His wife, however, is like me and spreads the net. When I see an unusual name I tend to research it as far as possible in both directions, this way you 'meet' more family historians from around the world and make some great like-minded friends and are often able to help other family history buffs. I'm off to the wedding of my 4th cousin 2x removed in Chesterfield next month, I'm really looking forward to that because my 5xg and 3xg grandfathers were the main witnesses at weddings from about 1760 for over a hundred years. If it wasn't because I spread the net I would never have been invited to the wedding. What is even more interesting is that the bride to be has found her ancestors lived 3 miles from me in Cornwall and she is likely to be connected to my granddaughter's tree! That's what makes this such fun. Cheers LIZ (nee Y o u l e) www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery Penzance, Cornwall ----- Original Message ----- From: "hilary jackson" <hj014b0552@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] How Far To Spread The Tree? > Hi > > I'm the same! I find something about someone very distant in the tree and > I'm off trying to find out more about that incident! > > That's why its so interesting. However my husband thinks its obsessive! > > Hilary Jackson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JJupar@aol.com> > To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:05 PM > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] How Far To Spread The Tree? > > >> >> In a message dated 11/04/2005 20:53:39 GMT Standard Time, >> shelaghgarside@gmail.com writes: >> >> I'm interested to know how much detail people research for individuals >> who marry into their family tree? I find that if the data is >> available about the wider family, eg, on the IGI or census data, I >> can't resist adding it in however I'm finding that my tree is getting >> very cluttered with people who are nothing to do with me. What do you >> all do? >> >> >> >> Hi >> >> I had the same problem and decided that as I was getting snarled up with >> adding people I would draw a line at girls marrying out of the family. I >> put >> in the spouse's parents and any children with the new name and that is >> where I >> stop. >> >> Best wishes >> >> JUDY ELKINGTON > > > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Always include your name and area of residence on ALL list messages. It > helps others to point you to your nearest source of information. It also > makes for a more friendly message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

On Monday, Apr 11, 2005, at 20:53 Europe/London, Shelagh Garside wrote: > I'm interested to know how much detail people research for individuals > who marry into their family tree? I find that if the data is > available about the wider family, eg, on the IGI or census data, I > can't resist adding it in however I'm finding that my tree is getting > very cluttered with people who are nothing to do with me. What do you > all do? Trouble is if one ignores too many of the "married into" lines, one could miss out on the interesting fact of inter-marriage of families. This may only be relevant for lines which originate or remain in small villages, but it could be a mistake not to follow things up. On the other hand you might need to have several versions of the family tree on the computer program - providing you show where they are linked it should be possible to keep each separate (say) grandparent's lines under control, if only for the sake of one's own mind, memory and sanity! Jay

Hi I'm the same! I find something about someone very distant in the tree and I'm off trying to find out more about that incident! That's why its so interesting. However my husband thinks its obsessive! Hilary Jackson ----- Original Message ----- From: <JJupar@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] How Far To Spread The Tree? > > In a message dated 11/04/2005 20:53:39 GMT Standard Time, > shelaghgarside@gmail.com writes: > > I'm interested to know how much detail people research for individuals > who marry into their family tree? I find that if the data is > available about the wider family, eg, on the IGI or census data, I > can't resist adding it in however I'm finding that my tree is getting > very cluttered with people who are nothing to do with me. What do you > all do? > > > > Hi > > I had the same problem and decided that as I was getting snarled up with > adding people I would draw a line at girls marrying out of the family. > I put > in the spouse's parents and any children with the new name and that is > where I > stop. > > Best wishes > > JUDY ELKINGTON

The more the merrier! little acorns (in this case new lines) grow big trees Adrienne Wyatt Raleigh NC USA. LAWRENCE/GREENWOOD

Hi Shelagh When it comes to those who marry into my family - ie aunts, uncles or Gt aunts and Gt uncles or husbands and wives who marry a 4th cousin 1 removed, or researching the sister of the wife of the Gt uncles half-brother's niece - ad infinitum....... ......I only include details of the individual who married a blood-relative of mine. For example, as the parents of an aunt or uncle who married into my family are not blood-relatives of mine in anyway, I don't include their details. If they don't have an identifiable relationship to me, my wife, and my children then they don't get a second look-at. There is a definite temptation to include everyone who has a connection with your family - sometimes called "Total Genealogy" - no matter how remote that link might be. However, as you say, you end up with a family tree that is crammed full of individuals who are nothing to do with you. I think it's a case of being strict with oneself. So, when you're next tempted to trace the family tree of the grandparents of an aunt of your 4th half-cousin's cousin, three times removed..... say to yourself: "No!! I mustn't!!, I wont!!" ....hahaha!! :) Cheers Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Shelagh Garside [mailto:shelaghgarside@gmail.com] Sent: 11 April 2005 20:53 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: How Far To Spread The Tree? I'm interested to know how much detail people research for individuals who marry into their family tree? I find that if the data is available about the wider family, eg, on the IGI or census data, I can't resist adding it in however I'm finding that my tree is getting very cluttered with people who are nothing to do with me. What do you all do? Thanks - Shelagh ______________________________

Hello Can anyone tell me where the address "51 Old Orchard, Sheffield" would be. It was the place of birth for Ida May daughter of Samuel May the Sheffield Basket Maker. This is written on the birth certificate. I am familiar with Orchard Street and Orchard Place but is this connected in any way with that area. Many thanks Judy Elkington

getsmart@beeb.net wrote snip< HENRY SHERWIN got married in 1882, and the 1891 Census should confirm a son > Henry, born 1885 in Ecclesall Bierlow, and daughter ANNIE SHERWIN, born > 1889> Hi Could this be your family? Christine 1945 1901Census shows Fred SHERWIN 1893Yorks SheffieldBrightside BierlowSheffield Harriet SHERWIN 1860Yorks SheffieldBrightside BierlowSheffield Henry SHERWIN 1859Yorks SheffieldBrightside BierlowSheffield Machine Knife Grinder Henry SHERWIN 1886Yorks SheffieldBrightside BierlowSheffield Annie SHERWIN 1890Yorks SheffieldBrightside BierlowSheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "getsmart" <getsmart@beeb.net> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 11:39 PM Subject: [SHEFF] 1861 & 1891 Census for HENRY SHERWIN in Sheffield look-up request > Dear listers, > > Can anyone help me with the 1861 and 1891 Censuses, please? > I am researching HENRY SHERWIN born 1859, Sheffield. > > I am hoping that the 1861 Census will reveal his parents and siblings. I > have found a CHARLES SHERWIN on the 1841 Census, who is likely to be his > father. > > HENRY SHERWIN got married in 1882, and the 1891 Census should confirm a > son Henry, born 1885 in Ecclesall Bierlow, and daughter ANNIE SHERWIN, > born 1889 in either Ecclesall Bierlow or Sheffield. There are two Annie > Sherwins listed for the December 1/4 of 1889 on Free BMD, just to confuse > things! One was registered in Sheffield, the other in Ecclesall Bierlow. > > If anyone finds the other one in 1891, it would be interesting. > > Thank you, > > Dorothy Smart > ALTRINCHAM > Cheshire > > > > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > DO NOT post VIRUS or OFF TOPIC messages to Eng-Sheffield. Off topic > content messages should be sent to the list admin instead. For Virus help > access http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/announce.html#virus > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 11/04/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 11/04/2005

Dear listers, Can anyone help me with the 1861 and 1891 Censuses, please? I am researching HENRY SHERWIN born 1859, Sheffield. I am hoping that the 1861 Census will reveal his parents and siblings. I have found a CHARLES SHERWIN on the 1841 Census, who is likely to be his father. HENRY SHERWIN got married in 1882, and the 1891 Census should confirm a son Henry, born 1885 in Ecclesall Bierlow, and daughter ANNIE SHERWIN, born 1889 in either Ecclesall Bierlow or Sheffield. There are two Annie Sherwins listed for the December 1/4 of 1889 on Free BMD, just to confuse things! One was registered in Sheffield, the other in Ecclesall Bierlow. If anyone finds the other one in 1891, it would be interesting. Thank you, Dorothy Smart ALTRINCHAM Cheshire

Hi Shelagh I think I work on similar lines to Jeremy, I like to see how far the branches of my tree have spread. My roots are heavily weighted on my mother's side as I have become fascinated tracking her father's TURNER family back to Lower Gornal, Staffordshire. However, I have discovered that several of her great uncles made the journey to Yorkshire before her grandfather did in the 1880s. I enjoy seeing my tree grow & making contact with cousins (no matter how distant), but I can see the danger of things getting a bit over crowded:-). If only I could find someone out there linked in some way to my dad's HAWKSWORTH family. My grandfather James born 1903 was the youngest of 7 children & the only one who married. His father John born 1865 was the only boy in a family of 7, I know 3 of his sisters married but I haven't managed to trace any children. Perhaps this lack of HAWKSWORTH roots explains my quest. Happy hunting to you all Catherine Atkin Leicestershire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelagh Garside" <shelaghgarside@gmail.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: [SHEFF] How Far To Spread The Tree? > I'm interested to know how much detail people research for individuals > who marry into their family tree? I find that if the data is > available about the wider family, eg, on the IGI or census data, I > can't resist adding it in however I'm finding that my tree is getting > very cluttered with people who are nothing to do with me. What do you > all do? > > Thanks - Shelagh > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all > aspects of genealogy in the UK.........For the Sheffield pages visit > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/index.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hello Judy & List, With regard to Judy's snippet below. St. Paul's Church, Norfolk Street was erected by public subscription and commenced in 1719 but was not actually opened until 22nd May 1740 when it was made a chapel of ease to the Parish Church (St. Peter's - now the Cathedral). The church was demolished in 1938. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd April 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <JJupar@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Marriage,Simeon HANDLEY,Sheffield. > There was also a Church called St. Paul's in the centre of Sheffield. > I > am not sure of the actual opening date but it was sometime in the early > 1700s > and was only pulled down in the 1930s. It was very close to St. Peter's > [now > the Cathedral] and only a few minutes walk away on Pinfold Street. > > I think the records are at the Sheffield Record Office. > > Best wishes > > JUDY ELKINGTON

Hello Shelagh, I suppose it's really a matter of choice for the individual concerned as to how much or how little information you enter into your family tree. With my own CRAWSHAW tree I like to enter the details of every family that I manage to make a link with purely so I can see how many descendants one married couple actually have. If I make a connection with anyone I usually ask them for as much info that they can give me so that I can add it to the tree. I have just in the last few weeks been contacted by a man (I won't give his name, but the surname is WILSON) who I found out that his 2nd G.Grandmother was Ann CRAWSHAW who was a sister to my 4th G.Grandfather, George CRAWSHAW, so this new WILSON cousin would be a 4th Cousin, Twice Removed to me, so really there would be no real necessity for me to enter all of his family details to the CRAWSHAW tree but I have done so as it pads out the tree nicely and gives me an idea of how many extended cousins I have all over the world. Sorry to have rattled on there, it would be interesting to know what others think though. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD RESEARCHING Paternal Line CRAWSHAW (Dungworth / Storrs / Hilltop / Stannington / Bradfield / Hillsborough, Sheffield) HORSFIELD (Bradfield / Wadsley / Loxley, Sheffield) BARBER (Stannington, Bradfield) DRABBLE (Stannington, Bradfield) BRAMALL (Storrs / Hilltop / Stannington, Bradfield) MORTON (Stannington / Bradfield, Sheffield) SHARP(E) (Dronfield, Dbys / Roscoe Wheel, Rivelin / Stannington, Bradfield) BRADWELL (Bradwell & Hope, Derbyshire / Stannington, Bradfield & Hillsborough, Sheffield) GOODISON (Stannington, Bradfield) OATES (Stannington, Bradfield) JENKINSON (Stannington & Wadsley, Sheffield) MARSHALL (Stannington, Hunshelf, Deepcar) LOY (Stannington, Bradfield) WOOD (Hillsborough / Heeley, Sheffield) THOMAS (Boston, Lincolnshire & Hillsborough, Sheffield) CHAMBERS (Butterwick, Lincolnshire) Maternal Line HARTLEY (Morley/Holbeck, Leeds & Sheffield ) HOLLOWAY (Sheffield) FELL (Sheffield) FELL-HOLLOWAY (Sheffield) SHAW (Addy St, Upperthorpe, Sheffield & Ulley, Aston Parish) DRAKE (St. Philip's Rd, Sheffield) BEHR & BOTCHER (Liban, Russia) ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd April 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelagh Garside" <shelaghgarside@gmail.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: [SHEFF] How Far To Spread The Tree? > I'm interested to know how much detail people research for individuals > who marry into their family tree? I find that if the data is > available about the wider family, eg, on the IGI or census data, I > can't resist adding it in however I'm finding that my tree is getting > very cluttered with people who are nothing to do with me. What do you > all do? > > Thanks - Shelagh > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all > aspects of genealogy in the UK.........For the Sheffield pages visit > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/index.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > >

Hi list, Thanks for all the replies to my query on a burial. I should have stated that it was in fact a late burial i.e 1953, so expect it to be in a municipal cemetery, and as far as I know, C/E. Thanks, Carol Sheffield

I'm interested to know how much detail people research for individuals who marry into their family tree? I find that if the data is available about the wider family, eg, on the IGI or census data, I can't resist adding it in however I'm finding that my tree is getting very cluttered with people who are nothing to do with me. What do you all do? Thanks - Shelagh

hello ,i,m back after a long time away.my ancestors seem mainly to be in Notts. and Derbys. but i would like to exchange info on Seston,s Limbs and Froggatts. regards roy.

Hi List, Has anyone an idea of where a person who died at Redmires Road would be buried[ although I know it could have been anywhere] Not sure of the nearest cemetery. Carol Sheffield

In a message dated 11/04/2005 20:53:39 GMT Standard Time, shelaghgarside@gmail.com writes: I'm interested to know how much detail people research for individuals who marry into their family tree? I find that if the data is available about the wider family, eg, on the IGI or census data, I can't resist adding it in however I'm finding that my tree is getting very cluttered with people who are nothing to do with me. What do you all do? Hi I had the same problem and decided that as I was getting snarled up with adding people I would draw a line at girls marrying out of the family. I put in the spouse's parents and any children with the new name and that is where I stop. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _http://www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

In a message dated 11/04/2005 16:31:18 GMT Standard Time, crc45125@ntlworld.com writes: Has anyone an idea of where a person who died at Redmires Road would be buried[ although I know it could have been anywhere] Not sure of the nearest cemetery. You do not say what year. It could have been at Fulwood or Crookes Cemetery. It is important to know what year because some church were still being built in the 1800s whilst other were established. There was no Church at Redmires until the 1960s when St. Lukes was built, but they have no burial ground there so they may have been buried at Fulwood, of which this church was an offshoot. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _http://www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

In a message dated 11/04/2005 18:10:34 GMT Standard Time, trayford@rogers.com writes: Have you tried checking the IGI out as there were very few churches in Sheffield till about 1840 so they probably were married at the Parish Church There was also a Church called St. Paul's in the centre of Sheffield. I am not sure of the actual opening date but it was sometime in the early 1700s and was only pulled down in the 1930s. It was very close to St. Peter's [now the Cathedral] and only a few minutes walk away on Pinfold Street. I think the records are at the Sheffield Record Office. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _http://www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Hi all, to celebrate National Library week Gale is offering free access to some of its databases which are usually available only in libraries. Amongst them is the Times Digital Archive. _http://www.gale.com/nlw/_ (http://www.gale.com/nlw/) best regards Kathy Wirral

Hi Gordon, Have you tried checking the IGI out as there were very few churches in Sheffield till about 1840 so they probably were married at the Parish Church ....... Yes there is one............... SIMEON HANDLEY - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Marriage: 23 JUL 1815 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Have you tried the New Sheffield 1841 census as well. That might give you further insight into this family....... http://www.sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/1841census/ Kindest regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.5 - Release Date: 4/7/2005