Hello Margaret & List, welcome back after your sabbatical Margaret... just lately I received more information re the Webster connection which we both have in common. It relates to the fact that one of Eleanor's daughters was living in London with a probable sister of Eleanors. She was running a Boarding house. She was single as her last name was Webster. I'll send you the details tommorrow. She was born in Glasgow??? and as you may remember Eleanor was born in Berwick on Tweed. I did find a marriage of a Joseph Webster to an Isabella Rule in Berwick on Tweed which may be a lead... Re where is Todwick? It is a Parish Town , in the upper division of Strafforth and Tickhill; 7 miles SE,of Rotherham, 7 and 3/4 from Worksop Notts 10 1/4 miles from Sheffield. Population 210. Church is a Rectory dedicated to St Peter and St. Paul. This information was taken from Genuki West Riding Parishes. Where is it in Yorkshire... The Link is on the Sheffield Genuki. Let me know if I can be of any more assistance, Kindest regards, Josephine, Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Downes" <maranjon59@yahoo.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 7:09 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Where is Todwick? > Dear LIst Members. > My name is Margaret, and I live in New Hampshire in the States. I took a couple of years off from my research but am trying to get back into it. I used to belong to this list way back, and it seemed a lot busier then. > Anyway, this is my problem: my ancestor, Thomas WINDOW was (according to his military discharge record) born in Tickhill, Yorkshire in 1784. I have not been able to find any record of his birth, but the IGI shows births of Richard WiINDOW in 1807, and William WINDOW in 1810.in Tickhill. The father of these two was John WINDOW, and there was a John WINDOW born in 1777 in Todwick, Yorkshire. I am speculating that Richard and William are the sons of thisJohn, and this John could be a sibling to my Thomas. whose first two sons were Richard and John. Can anybody tell me where Todwick is in relation to Tickhill? > Thanks for any help > Regards Margaret.. > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > E-mail etiquette - CAPITALISE only research surnames, other CAPITALisation usually means you are SHOUTING!!! and may be interpreted as being offensive. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > >

Hi Margaret, Welcome back to genealogy............ There is a programme you can download to help you find where places are and how close they are to where you know your family to have been........ Its called Parloc......... http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ParLoc htm Todwick seems to be very close to the Nottinghamshire Border and about 8 miles from Tickhill. I presume you have seen on the IGI the following.... JOHN WINDOW - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 28 DEC 1777 Todwick, Yorkshire, England I would have a look through the PR's for both places..from the LDS. Parish register transcripts, 1538-1855 Church of England. Parish Church of Tickhill (Yorkshire and Todwick parish registers, 1577-1900 Church of England. Parish Church of Todwick (Yorkshire) Just a few suggestions that I hope helps get you back in the swing of things . Kindest regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.7 - Release Date: 4/12/2005

Could SKS look up the following family for me please? I was in the Sheffield Archives today and found the family on the 1851 census index but I wasn't able to look up the actual entry and wasn't able to book any more time for a fortnight :( There is : Phillip Wain 52 Cheadle, Staffs Mary Wain 52 Cheadle, Staffs Hannah Wain 18 Sheffield Harriet 24 Sheffield John 21 Sheffield The reference is 2339/36b - I'd love to see the full details for this family and confirm that John is a son in this family - I haven't come across him before. I'm hoping that the parents are still alive on the 1861 census. Thanks - Shelagh

Dear LIst Members. My name is Margaret, and I live in New Hampshire in the States. I took a couple of years off from my research but am trying to get back into it. I used to belong to this list way back, and it seemed a lot busier then. Anyway, this is my problem: my ancestor, Thomas WINDOW was (according to his military discharge record) born in Tickhill, Yorkshire in 1784. I have not been able to find any record of his birth, but the IGI shows births of Richard WiINDOW in 1807, and William WINDOW in 1810.in Tickhill. The father of these two was John WINDOW, and there was a John WINDOW born in 1777 in Todwick, Yorkshire. I am speculating that Richard and William are the sons of thisJohn, and this John could be a sibling to my Thomas. whose first two sons were Richard and John. Can anybody tell me where Todwick is in relation to Tickhill? Thanks for any help Regards Margaret.. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!

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To be more exact, Hooten Pagnell, is a small very old village with a lovely old church, which is situation to the North of Doncaster more or less in line with Hickleton but further north. There are two other villages closely linked Brodsworth, and Pickburn, which I have found transcribed as Pigburn, as it is locally called. Regards Kay-UK ----- Original Message Follows ----- From: Shelagh Garside <shelaghgarside@gmail.com> To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SHEFF] DRABBLE Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 09:48:10 +0100 > > Hooten Pagnell is between Doncaster and Wakefield. > > Shelagh > > > > Where the heck is Hooten Pagnell??? > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > It helps others to know which message your replying to, so > always add a little of the text from the message to which > you are responding. Some subscribers (myself included) > have short memories. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not > only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Hooten Pagnell is between Doncaster and Wakefield. Shelagh > Where the heck is Hooten Pagnell???

Hi Karen et al, A little information on the Old Park Silver Mill which may be of interest. Old Park Silver Mills were established somewhere between 1762 and 1765 by a Mr. Joseph Hancock. Hancock was an ex-apprentice of Thomas Boulsover, the discoverer of the method of making Old Sheffield Plate; he started the Old Park Mills primarily to roll nothing else but that lamination of silver upon copper, which was Sheffield Plate. Hancock’s first essays in this trade, in which he also produced finished plated goods, were done by mills operated entirely by hand. He then progressed to the use of horses as the prime movers of his mill but soon conceived that waterpower harnessed by the water wheel would provide a reliable, more efficient and more enduring source of power. It was on this realisation that he moved his premises from Union Road to set up the Old Park Mills in Club Mill Road. Hancock was the first to use water power for Sheffield Plate rolling and though the invention was Boulsover’s, there is little doubt that Hancock played the greater part in making a local i! ndustry out of it. Hancock however eventually withdrew from the manufacture of plated goods and concentrated solely on rolling the plated metal for other manufacturers. He established a considerable business in this respect, which has been continued ever since as far as the rolling of silver for the free trade is concerned. Old Sheffield Plate is now a collector’s metal and no longer a marketable product, but it interesting to note that these mills are today still drawing upon their century and a half of experience in what might be termed ‘lamination rolling’, by producing considerable quantities of bi-metal strip for the electrical industry. The site of the Old Park Mills is on the left bank of the Don immediately opposite the spot at which the combined waters of the Rivelin and Loxley flow into the parent stream. In 1864 this was to prove a near-disaster, for when the Bradfield (Dale Dyke) dam burst its walls on the night of 11th/12th March of that year, it was the Loxley that brought down that slamming bore of water which killed some 50 people, razed works and private dwellings impartially and cast up its wreckage as far down stream as Doncaster. The smash of the flood completely removed one mill shop and attendant furnaces at Old Park Silver Mills and did many hundreds of pounds’ worth of other damage. Recovery was a slow and laborious business but under Mr. William Hobson Peace, who succeeded in control the Mr. W Houldsworth for whom we (Davy Bros.) built the water wheel in 1858-9*, the Old Park Mills re-established themselves as the main rollers to the silver trade in Sheffield. Davy’s contribution to the development of this celebrated Sheffield firm did not end with the building of this one water wheel. In 1928 we provided a new 500 h.p. electric drive to replace the steam engine installed in 1875 in the Old Park’s largest mill, which is mainly concerned with cold rolling silver in wide sheets. In 1935 we (Davy’s) supplied new pinions, pinion housings and bedplate to the 18 in. x 28 in. mill, while as recently as 1952 we were able to do a rapid remetalling job on bearing shells on the 500 h.p. drive against a particularly urgent delivery request. The quotation for this wheel is dated 1st December 1858 and is for a Water Wheel and Drive at an all in cost exclusive of masonry and woodwork of £190. Subsequent research established that this quotation was in fact accepted and the Wheel installed. As the Old Park Silver Mill’s ledger entry of 31st December, 1859 shows, however, the finally agreed purchase price was reduced to £155, possibly due to modifications to the original design, while – let us whisper this – a further sum of £7-17-00 – was added as “half the cost of altering the above wheel including Rhodes’ a/c & mason’s work. The water wheel was used to drive four pairs of Cross Rolls and it continued to work regularly and well up to 1920. At some time around 1900, a shaft was fitted to provide an additional drive for an unknown enthusiast’s small model making lathe through the floor of a private workshop. During the 1914/18 War, the Wheel and the Cross Rolling Mill worked almost round the clock on Government work. In 1920 however, the water wheel was taken out and replaced by an electric motor drive. This replacement was done free of charge by Sheffield Corporation as the new Neepsend Power Station required the water rights for cooling purposes. The changeover was satisfactory to both parties, however, since prior to the introduction of the electric drive, the Water Wheel had frequently had to stop work through the power station taking water from the goit, which supplied the Wheel from the River Don. From ‘The Anvil’, Vol. 3, No. 2. The house magazine of Davy Brothers. The Old Park Silver Mill The rolling mill was built by Joseph Hancock in 1764, shown by a field-book entry for laying floors in the glazing and rolling mill. The land appears to have belonged to the Burtons, who owned it in 1794. Hancock was a former apprentice to Thomas Boulsover, inventor of Old Sheffield Plate. It is likely that his mill was put up near the paper mill known to have stood near the Old Park corn mill in 1749 and 1754, but whose early history is unknown. References to the paper mill continue until 1788, but in 1794 and 1795 two rolling mills were mapped and described, and it is likely that the second replaced the paper mill. The 1795 description contains important detail: one mill was for rolling plated copper, and was driven by an undershot wheel of 12 feet diameter and 4ft. 3in. wide; the other was for finishing plate and for rolling silver, powered by a new undershot wheel of 18ft. diameter and 3ft. 7in. width, built by a mill-wright named Machin. When both mills were working and! no water was running into the dam, they would use the supply in 15 minutes. Ebenezer Hancock worked the mills in 1815, but John Houldsworth was tenant by 1824, when surveys include details of the wheels; William Houldsworth was tenant by 1841, and is recorded in directories and the Brightside rate books until 1860. A new water wheel was tendered for in 1858 by Davy Brothers, and appears to have been installed. At the time of the 1864 Loxley Flood, William Peace, whose claim for damage totalled £1932-00-00, of which £1720-00-00 was agreed, operated the mills. The mill opposite the outflow of the Loxley was badly damaged; it was claimed that silver was lost, and a reference to steam pipes suggests that an engine may have been in use. An invoice for repairing a water wheel has survived, from Alfred Wilson of Owlerton, millwright. The Old Park Silver Mills Co. as it was known from about 1880, worked until the 1950s, succeeded by the Sheffield Rolling Co., who operated the work! s until 1980. The larger mill was changed from water to steam power in 1875, and the others were converted to electric operation in 1920. One waterwheel was recorded in 1895. The dam was filled in about 1929. The area of the dam has been built over. The buildings have been much altered, but the house, although derelict, is recognisably that shown in W. Botham’s early-19th-century(c.1800) painting. Two partly filled in tailraces can be traced to their outfalls. From ‘Water Power on the Sheffield Rivers’, by David Crossley Dave Yates -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Dear Listers, A very big thank you to all those who have helped me track down Annie Sherwin, her father Henry Sherwin and his father Henry, through the 1861, 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses. Your response was wonderful and I've got lots of little Sherwins to keep me busy for a while! Dorothy Smart Altrincham Cheshire

Hello Karen, I don't have any connections to the surname ROCH and my connection to the DRABBLE surname at Stannington is quite a way back and I only know of one person at present, that being my 6th G.Grandmother, Susanna DRABBLE who married my 6th G.Grandfather, James CRAWSHAW on 17th March 1777 at St. Nicholas Church, High Bradfield. At some stage I hope to have a look at the DRABBLES but as I'm sure you know "so many surnames and so little time"...... Maybe some time soon though. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD > ---------------------------------------------------- > Outgoing Mail protected by: > NORTON Internet Security 2004 > Updated: 2nd April 2005 > ---------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Cogan" <karen.cogan@virgin.net> > To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> > Cc: <jeremy.crawshaw@talktalk.net> > Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:08 PM > Subject: DRABBLE & How Far To Spread The Tree? > > >> Hi Jeremy, >> >> I noticed that you are researching the name DRABBLE on your paternal >> line. I >> have a son of an ancestor called William Drabble ROCH b. 1862 in >> Sheffield >> and wondered if you had a connection to the ROCH name. I haven't found a >> link to Drabble as yet. I don't know much about his father except he is >> called William ROCH and he died before 1871 (can't find him on the 1861 >> census). The father was married to Selina TOWERS b. 1836 in Mansfield, >> Nottinghamshire. > >> Regards >> >> Karen Cogan >> Cleckheaton, West Yorkshire >

Hi Jeremy I missed the DRABBLE name until just now. I have a Hannah DRABBLE way back in my tree - she married my g-g-g-g-g-g-uncle, James HOWGATE in Sheffield in 1808. James was a cutler, born in Hooton Pagnell and seems to have moved back and forth between HP and Sheffield - children #1 and #3 were baptised in HP and the other 3 in Sheffield. Hannah seems to have died before 1827 when James remarried in HP. I haven't been able to find out anything about Hannah at all apart from the date of her marriage. Shelagh

Hi Jeremy, I noticed that you are researching the name DRABBLE on your paternal line. I have a son of an ancestor called William Drabble ROCH b. 1862 in Sheffield and wondered if you had a connection to the ROCH name. I haven't found a link to Drabble as yet. I don't know much about his father except he is called William ROCH and he died before 1871 (can't find him on the 1861 census). The father was married to Selina TOWERS b. 1836 in Mansfield, Nottinghamshire. The name has been mis-spelt a number of times - ROCK/ROCHE/ROACH With regards to how far to spread the tree if I find a marriage I try to trace the descendants but not the ancestors of the person marrying into the family. This means that anyone in my family tree with the exception of the spouse are blood related in someway. Regards Karen Cogan Cleckheaton, West Yorkshire -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Crawshaw [mailto:jeremy.crawshaw@talktalk.net] Sent: 11 April 2005 21:16 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SHEFF] How Far To Spread The Tree? Hello Shelagh, I suppose it's really a matter of choice for the individual concerned as to how much or how little information you enter into your family tree. With my own CRAWSHAW tree I like to enter the details of every family that I manage to make a link with purely so I can see how many descendants one married couple actually have. If I make a connection with anyone I usually ask them for as much info that they can give me so that I can add it to the tree. I have just in the last few weeks been contacted by a man (I won't give his name, but the surname is WILSON) who I found out that his 2nd G.Grandmother was Ann CRAWSHAW who was a sister to my 4th G.Grandfather, George CRAWSHAW, so this new WILSON cousin would be a 4th Cousin, Twice Removed to me, so really there would be no real necessity for me to enter all of his family details to the CRAWSHAW tree but I have done so as it pads out the tree nicely and gives me an idea of how many extended cousins I have all over the world. Sorry to have rattled on there, it would be interesting to know what others think though. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD RESEARCHING Paternal Line CRAWSHAW (Dungworth / Storrs / Hilltop / Stannington / Bradfield / Hillsborough, Sheffield) HORSFIELD (Bradfield / Wadsley / Loxley, Sheffield) BARBER (Stannington, Bradfield) DRABBLE (Stannington, Bradfield) BRAMALL (Storrs / Hilltop / Stannington, Bradfield) MORTON (Stannington / Bradfield, Sheffield) SHARP(E) (Dronfield, Dbys / Roscoe Wheel, Rivelin / Stannington, Bradfield) BRADWELL (Bradwell & Hope, Derbyshire / Stannington, Bradfield & Hillsborough, Sheffield) GOODISON (Stannington, Bradfield) OATES (Stannington, Bradfield) JENKINSON (Stannington & Wadsley, Sheffield) MARSHALL (Stannington, Hunshelf, Deepcar) LOY (Stannington, Bradfield) WOOD (Hillsborough / Heeley, Sheffield) THOMAS (Boston, Lincolnshire & Hillsborough, Sheffield) CHAMBERS (Butterwick, Lincolnshire) Maternal Line HARTLEY (Morley/Holbeck, Leeds & Sheffield ) HOLLOWAY (Sheffield) FELL (Sheffield) FELL-HOLLOWAY (Sheffield) SHAW (Addy St, Upperthorpe, Sheffield & Ulley, Aston Parish) DRAKE (St. Philip's Rd, Sheffield) BEHR & BOTCHER (Liban, Russia) - -------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd April 2005 - -------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shelagh Garside" <shelaghgarside@gmail.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: [SHEFF] How Far To Spread The Tree? > I'm interested to know how much detail people research for individuals > who marry into their family tree? I find that if the data is > available about the wider family, eg, on the IGI or census data, I > can't resist adding it in however I'm finding that my tree is getting > very cluttered with people who are nothing to do with me. What do you > all do? > > Thanks - Shelagh > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all > aspects of genealogy in the UK.........For the Sheffield pages visit > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/index.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > ______________________________

Hi Karen, I've just had a look at my Neepsend 1903 map and can't see a Norfolk Road in this area at all. As for the Old Park Silver Mill, Yes, it is still there, and there is (as far as I can recall from about a year and a half ago) still a more or less complete building, albeit a shell. I keep meaning to go down Club Mill Road and get a photo for the website. If you do go down there though be careful if you go by car as the road is very uneven and full of potholes. I would also recommend you only go down there during the daytime when the local works are open and there are plenty of people about, it's far too quiet a place to go to any other time as you don't know who could be hanging around there. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd April 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <KARENL823@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:28 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Norfolk Road > Hi List > > I have an address of "Norfolk Road, Parkwood Springs". > > Looking at a modern map there is a Norfolk Road that runs between Talbot > Street and Granville Road, close to the railway station but this seems > rather a > long way from what I think is Parkwood Springs near Club Mill Road. > > Can anyone help clarify this for me? > > Also, are there still any remains of Old Park Silver Mills? > > Thanks to anyone who can help. > > Karen Lightowler > Doncaster, South Yorkshire > Researching the Sheffield Flood > > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Personal details of living or probable living persons are not to be posted > onlist. If such details are requested then please use common sense before > responsding offlist with a personal email. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > > >

Hi List and other interested parties... I have been following the thread re how far to spread one's family tree. A few thoughts from my own research. (may or may not be useful). If I had not followed ancillary lines, I wouldn't have found (as Jay mentions) that our trees go round in circles. GASP... The family tree is not linear. I was speaking about this to a doctor not long ago, and he maintains that marriage of cousins, 1st, 2nd and 3rd etc, was exceedingly common at least up to 1900's, both in England (especially Yorkshire for some reason) and across Europe. The reasons being that a) the family wanted to keep any assets it had within the family. b) it was a very small gene pool within a given area, if one considers the numbers regarding population in Sheffield and surrounding area say from 1615 it showed just over 2,207 persons in Hallamshire, c) social position excluded certain marriages, so little option... food for thought. Therefore unless someone went out of the area to marry it is inevitable that there will be recurrences of marriage between families. I can of course only speak for my own family, but I have found one progenitor who was the grandfather, ggrandfather etc for many Sheffield families...I have been amazed at the convoluted twists and turns that this family has taken. In one generation at least three sisters married three brothers from another family... When I first started to research I thought that there would be one of each family name etc. branching off the main line I couldn't have been more wrong. The same names crop up through many generations, with permutations. (could explain the congenital stubborness in my family). Of course there were many other names besides which only occur once, thank God, no doubt this thins out the blood a little. Now I inevitably look for the same names right through the tree. I thought one particular family only entered the main tree in the 1900's, came to find out that even as far back as 1600 the family had been intermarried with our main branch. When I found evidence of re-marriage in the 1700's, I was mind boggled. Add to that the eldest son usually set the tone for the marriage of siblings. Of course the eldest son (usually being the Heir) married the Heiress of another family, (or Heiress the Heir... not very democratic) the younger siblings of an Heir or Heiress often married the lesser siblings of the same family to quite an extent. Of course I suppose my family could be an exception to the rule but as the intermarriage pertains to the attendant families as well, and there are many intermarriages there as well; not just in our main line, I believe not. There is also to be considered (as I'm sure everyone well knows) when adding to the Trees, that the additions are proved, ie while the IGI is a great research tool, only extractions are valid not submittals (they are conjecture for the most part) even then the facts must be substantiated by other means if possible, ie finding the entry in a Parish record etc... Hearsay is not enough. This can of course limit the size of the Trees. I see nothing wrong with adding as many people as possible to the various trees and my personal thought is that I shall stop adding them when 1) I can get no more information or 2) I have passed on. At that point I shall leave all information in the hands of those best able to use it. I wish my sons well with trying to keep all the names straight... it's certainly given me fits from time to time, although I love every minute of the chase. Kindest regards, Josephine, Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gen Mail" <genmail@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:42 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] How Far To Spread The Tree? > > On Monday, Apr 11, 2005, at 20:53 Europe/London, Shelagh Garside wrote: > > > I'm interested to know how much detail people research for individuals > > who marry into their family tree? I find that if the data is > > available about the wider family, eg, on the IGI or census data, I > > can't resist adding it in however I'm finding that my tree is getting > > very cluttered with people who are nothing to do with me. What do you > > all do? > > > Trouble is if one ignores too many of the "married into" lines, one > could miss out on the interesting fact of inter-marriage of families. > This may only be relevant for lines which originate or remain in small > villages, but it could be a mistake not to follow things up. > > On the other hand you might need to have several versions of the family > tree on the computer program - providing you show where they are linked > it should be possible to keep each separate (say) grandparent's lines > under control, if only for the sake of one's own mind, memory and > sanity! > > Jay > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Personal details of living or probable living persons are not to be posted onlist. If such details are requested then please use common sense before responsding offlist with a personal email. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. 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Hi Karen, I don't know if this has any bearing at all on your research but I found the following on the 1861 census index. 347632WilliamROCHE39IRL But unfortunately that piece and page number doesn't bring any one else up of the same name... I am sure I have seen that name combination before but where that is the question....LOL. Regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.6 - Release Date: 4/11/2005

Hi Jeremy I've just had a look at my Neepsend 1903 map and can't see a Norfolk Road in this area at all. Thanks to Pete I now know that Norfolk Road was renamed Douglas Road as he tells me "Parkwood Springs which contains many new houses and gardens, those in the higher part commanding extensive views of the town and neighbourhood. Some of the road names are different from the contemporary names; Orchard, Prospect, Mount, Vale and Norfolk Roads date from 1856. Orchard Road was named after the Orchard through which it was built, it was renamed Wallace Road in 1876. Prospect Road was a typically optimistic Victorian road name but was renamed Pickering Road in 1876. Vale and Mount Roads, which were named after the topography of the district, retained their original names; Norfolk Road was named after the Duke of Norfolk owner of the Old Park Wood. However there was another Norfolk Road in Sheffield so the Norfolk Road of Parkwood was renamed Norfolk Road North to avoid confusion, it was renamed Douglas Road in 1876." Hope this is also interesting to others and thanks again Pete! I keep meaning to go down Club Mill Road and get a photo for the website. If you do go down there though be careful if you go by car as the road is very uneven and full of potholes. I would also recommend you only go down there during the daytime when the local works are open and there are plenty of people about, it's far too quiet a place to go to any other time as you don't know who could be hanging around Yes, you are right, not the best area to wander alone! At the moment I am still having trouble driving so I am hoping hubby will take pity and take me there! If I do manage it I will send you a copy of the photo. Best Regards Karen Lightowler Doncaster, South Yorkshire Researching the Sheffield Flood

hello, regarding width of tree. it got me thinking!. we don,t ( as we all know) have to go back very far before we have dozens of different names.every generation doubles the number,. if we had a magic wand most of us would use it to break down the brick walls we all come up against, . so would i, but given such a wand i would opt for researching my line through the female ( my mother,her mother . her mother etc.) and not pay too much attention to the male side. i know who my mother is but somewhere along the line back 15 /20 generations??. it,s a lucky man who knows his father!!!. let me say that i am 76yrs. and when i look in the mirror it is as though my father is looking back at me. like 2 peas from the same pod!!. so no! , i don,t have any bad experiences that way. hope i didn,t bore you .roy.

I desire to contact anyone who has done any research on any Hallam family name that involves the time period 1695 to 1705. Keith Hallam Virginia USA

G'day from Oz, I think it's up to the individual on how far to go with researching side families, but I was reading an article some years ago by an author of family history books, Janet Reakes if I remember rightly, and she said "Why stop at a branch or a tree, when the whole forest is available". I think that if you have the time, space on your computer program and a way of keeping track of all the people from the many families, then go ahead. I have many cousins who are only too pleased to be kept up to date with a family that maybe way off line for my own family, but not too far away from theirs. Also it is possible that you may be able to help out others, who you make contact with at a later date. Ian Cunliffe [from a very unseasonably warm, Victoria, Australia]. ------------------------------------------ * My Main Surnames Research: BILLS (Lancs. 1800-1850) CLAYTON (Yorks. & Notts 1830-1891) CUNLIFFE (Lancs. 1790-1912) CUNLIFFE (Yorks. 1871-1888) CUNLIFFE (Australia 1913 to now) FEARN (Derbys. 1750 - now) PARRY (Lancs & Wales 1850 to now) STOPFORD (Lancs.1850 to 1901] WILSON ( Scotland, Cheshire & Lancs. 1877 to now) * Scottish Connection Names: CUNNINGHAM / LITSTER / GOURLAY / HOPKINS / CARGILL / CLELLAND ( Fife, Scot. 1700 to now) * Other Scottish Names: ANDERSON / BARCLAY / BELL / BROWN / BUDDO / CHISHOLM / CRISP / DICKSON / DUNCAN / DYE / FINLAY / HARLEY / HIMMERMAN / KIRK / LANGLANDS / MARTIN / McVICAR / MENZIES / MOIR / PALLAS / POXON / ROLLO / SCOTT / * Tasmania, Australia Connection: BARKER (Eng. to Tasmania 1840) BRAINE (Berks. to Tasmania 1820 - 1850) EDMUNDS (Notts. to Tas. 1870 to now) MARTIN (Wilts. to Tasmania 1820 to now) NAILER (Berks. to Tasmania. 1720 to now) * Victoria, Australia Names: CHAFER (Lincs. to Victoria 1700 to now) EDMUNDS (Vic. to Tas. to Vic. 1900 - now) EDWARDS (Victoria 1870 to now) GRIFFITHS (Vic. 1870 to 1900) HIMMERMAN (Vic. 1920 to 1980) LEES (Vic. 1850 to now) MARTIN (Vic. 1900 to now) POPE (Vic. 1853 to 1920) * New Zealand Connection Names: EAGLE (Eng to NZ to Aust 1880 to now) GANNAWAY (Eng to Aust. & NZ 1730 to present) MARTIN (Tas. to NZ 1850 to now) + Many Others........ * ~ ~ ~ * ~ ~ ~ * ~ ~ ~ * ~ ~ ~ * ~ ~ ~ * ~ ~ ~ *

Hi List I have an address of "Norfolk Road, Parkwood Springs". Looking at a modern map there is a Norfolk Road that runs between Talbot Street and Granville Road, close to the railway station but this seems rather a long way from what I think is Parkwood Springs near Club Mill Road. Can anyone help clarify this for me? Also, are there still any remains of Old Park Silver Mills? Thanks to anyone who can help. Karen Lightowler Doncaster, South Yorkshire Researching the Sheffield Flood