Hi all Brief extracts from "This week in 1911" The School age: The school management and attendance sub committees express a general approval of a report by the secretary of the committee showing the arrangements neccessary if the school leaving age is to be raised to 14. The matter will be fully considered at a later date. Shopbreaking charge: A youth who gave the name of Clement Acaster QUINN aged 16 of 99 Old Street, Park was committed for trial on a charge of breaking into a penny bazzar, kept by Thomas William SWIFT of 175 South Street, Moor and stealing a large quantity of domestic articles. Brass theft: Samuel BAGNALL of Penistone Road and Frederick DEAKIN of Beulah Road appeared on court charged with stealing 56lbs of brass from the Silica Fire Brick Co, Oughtibridge. Pint jug weapon: An extraordinary attack by a woman upon her sister occurred in the Woodside Tavern, Woodside Lane. Florence Mary POLLARD of Fowler Street was charged with maliciously wounding her sister Lucy SMITH the wife of James SMITH of Woodside Lane as she was leaving the Woodside Tavern about 11pm. Mrs POLLARD who had not spoken to her sister for over 12 months was the worse for drink and shouting "I am looking for you" she proceeded to strike her sister on the head and neck with a pint jug several times. Mrs SMITH sustained several wounds to the scalp and a wound 4" long to the neck. She was removed to the Royal Infirmary where she had five stitches put in her neck wound. After hearing the evidence, the magistrate reduced the charge to common assult after the prisoner promised to keep off the drink and not to molest her sister again. Marriages: John MARSHALL to Nellie dau of Thomas STOBBS of Arnside, Tinsley at St Laurence Church, Tinsley John Wm WRIGHT only son of Samuel WRIGHT of Walkley to Virginia HOWE onlt dau of the late Herbert B HOWE of Fern Bank, Upperthorpe at Primitive Methodist Church, Walkley Deaths: BARLEY wife of George BARLEY and dau of Henry F BRYAR BAUMBER Emma, at 25 Newlyn Road, Woodseats, the relict of the late Robert BAUMBER of Attercliffe, BRINING John Gillott at 11 Frickley Road, aged 60 yrs husband of Ann Maria FIELDING James 176 Industry Street, aged 72, husband of Mary HARROP Amanda at Matlock aged 77 yrs JOHNSON at Randall House, Moncriefe Road, Sharrow, in her 83rd yr, wife of J T JOHNSON WATSON Thomas (formerly of Sheffield) at Doncaster, in his 84th yr. Extracts from the Sheffield Daily Independent http://www.cpiper.freeserve.co.uk/ Regards Gordon List Admin (in Sheffield) Sheffield Genealogy Family & Social History http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005

Hello, I wonder if anyone has the actual 1841 census that might fill the additional information I need for this family. Piece No: 1337/5 ED: 10 Folio: 27b Charles Street, Sheffield South John DRIVER age 50 Hannah DRIVER age 58 William DRIVER age 25 Elizabeth DRIVER age 20 My problem is that there is a Caroline DRIVER age 20 and an Elizabeth DRIVER age 15 at this same address and I have no idea how they are related. I have a hunch they do not, but if relationships were shown in the 1841 census that would be great. The information as to whether they were all born in the county and a page number would be a big help. Did Schedule Numbers exist for the 1841? I know that they rounded off the ages which might explain why both Elizabeth and Caroline are 20 if indeed they are sisters but does not explain why they would have two children with the name Elizabeth. Perhaps the youngest one is grandchild but without relationships it is hard to tell. Thanks for any help. Judy Woodley BC, Canada

Hi Mary Ann, I don't have the 1851 census...................which I believe is NOT name indexed........ I have checked the 1861 census index .......Just to see who was in Sheffield called Drummond at that time...... I found the following....... 3488 55 James DRUMMOND 28 SCT Not Stated 3488 55 Ellen E. DRUMMOND 21 YKS Sheffield 3488 55 Samuel DRUMMOND 1 YKS Sheffield 3488 55 Wilfred H.DRUMMOND 1 YKS Sheffield I wonder if James could be a brother to your William. In 1841 (with very few records still to be entered) census index there are NO Drummond's at all, but I would check back later... Elaine in Ottawa Sheffield Indexers 1841 Census Coordinator http://www.sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005

Hello All, I am hoping that someone can help with a particular DRUMMOND family. I am looking for a William Henry DRUMMOND b.23 Jul 1836 in Sheffield (according to written records kept by his great granddaughter). He emigrated to Canada sometime before 1858. He married Martha Small on 18 Feb 1858 in Mount Forest, Wellington County, Canada. On the 1871 Canadian census he gives his father's birthplace as Scotland and his mother's birthplace as England. His occupation was a shoemaker. So, my question is: Has anyone stumbled upon him in the 1851 census or in any parish record? He would be about 15 years old in 1851. In Canada, the family was Methodist. Also, another family researcher has said that his parents were *possibly* John Jennings Drummond and Charlotte Menzies--she cannot remember where this information came from and it cannot be verified by anyone else. Any information is greatly appreciated, Mary A. Allen Great Smoky Mts, USA

Hello Ann Folio 33b follows 33a, all it means is that the family are on two pages following on. They are at Mortomley Lane End and Charles and James are bothe Ironstone Miners. All born in county. Regards Angela (LEE) Eckington U.K.

Hi Can anybody help if a person died and age given as 76 and at burial 77 would this be because there birthday was inbetween the dates from death to burial any thoughts most welcome Regards Denise denise.burns366@ntlworld.co.uk

Hi, Thank you to everyone involved with the Sheffield 1841 census project. I haven't been working on my family history for quite a while due to an injury. The first day I sit for more than a minute in front of the computer, I find the link to the site...and so many of my ancestors listed. If anyone has access to the actual 1841 census could you possibly check for additional info on the PLATTS families at Piece no 1327/6 and folio 33a and 33b. I'm a bit confused because I believe some of the youngsters listed at 33b are actually the children of Charles and Mary Platts of 33a. But then a child was dying at that time, so maybe they were staying with Uncle John Platts and his wife Ann. I don't know if this census does reveal relationships? But anything would be helpful. For anyone visiting Ecclesfield, the graves of these family are quite prominent at the front of St Mary's Churchyard. I saw it on a visit a number of years ago and was quite struck by all the children that died in infancy. I recorded the details. A year later I discovered Charles and Mary were my ancestors! Thanks Ann

Hello Last night we went for a walk to Wharncliffe Grags starting at Deepcar we entered the grags at the back of the lowood working mens club we walked upwards and came to a tunnel that went under what looked like an active railway line then we went further on and through another tunnel still climbing upwards we came across a man made small dam which had two sides built of stone and the other two sandstone does any one know What this is for or perhaps what it was for? further on still climbing we came to a track which was signpost Wortley one way the opposite way Wharncliffe Heath after walking towards Wharncliffe Heath we turned of the track and found another mass of water this was much larger that the previous can a anyone tell us what these were used for? Ken & Joan Littlewood at Barnsley Yorkshire UK Researching: LITTLEWOOD............Kirkburton/Holmfirth/Penistone. CRABTREE................Felkirk South Hiendley & Barnsley GREAVES..................Ecclesfield, Thorpe Hesley, & Barnsley STAFFORD................Glossop & Penistone.

Hi Sue I bought the JP Bean book on the Sheffield Gang Wars through AbeBooks - www.Abebooks.co.uk , an international network, I once had a Sheff book mailed to me from British Columbia! Also, Amazon may well have a copy or two available. Regards Ginny Bristol UK --- Sue Dyson-Wicks <dyswicks@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Will also try to get the JP Bean book but > that may have to wait until I'm in Sheffield again. > Just done a search on Brisbane city library to see > if its here (faint chance I know!) that one isn't > but there's a biography on Joe Cocker by the same > author! > > Sue in Brisbane > > > > Strange request here .... but hope someone can > help. > > Talking to my Mum as much as possible about her > early life and getting all the details down. Don't > know how good her memory is though as she's never > > mentioned this before. Her family used to live > near the Wicker Arches but were too frightened to > stay because of a murder in the area > > and moved away. > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > It helps others to know which message your replying > to, so always add a little of the text from the > message to which you are responding. Some > subscribers (myself included) have short memories. > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about > your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > Researching: BRIGGS, COLLINS,SURTEES, in Sheffield area, BRIGGS before 1850 in the Fens and Lincs BONNER in Lincs FURNE(I)SS in Sheffield and Derbyshire LEAF in Leeds/Holbeck COLLINS, BARTHOLEMEW in London and Surrey Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Many thanks to Hugh, Connie and Carol for their replies, that's really helped a lot. had a look at the Sheffield Forum page and it's very interesting, it certainly could fit, will talk to Mum about it again. Will also try to get the JP Bean book but that may have to wait until I'm in Sheffield again. Just done a search on Brisbane city library to see if its here (faint chance I know!) that one isn't but there's a biography on Joe Cocker by the same author! Sue in Brisbane > Strange request here .... but hope someone can help. > Talking to my Mum as much as possible about her early life and getting all the details down. Don't know how good her memory is though as she's never > mentioned this before. Her family used to live near the Wicker Arches but were too frightened to stay because of a murder in the area > and moved away.

hi,SUE I have a copy of the JP BEAN book, if you wish i will send it to you for the cost of postage & handling. if are happy with this please contact me on my email address regards TONY, -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Hi Neil, Unfortunately the enumerators quite often just wrote as in this case Haymarket when it covered quite a large area.... Regards Elaine in Ottawa. Sheffield Indexers 1841 census Coordinator. http://www.sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 4/19/2005

Hi,All, Thanks to Elaine and Hugh for the infomation on the Haymarket, Sheffield. I had thought that it might have been some kind of an 'institute' as the "View folio" produced a list of 24 individuals,with no family groups and apart from two 13 yr-olds the rest were adults. Regards. Gordon Neal. Canada.

I can't help with the original question but this Broomhead family have been indexed on the 1841 census. John Broomhead 30 Ages for John and Matilda may be rounded Matilda ...... 25 Sarah ......... 4 Elizabeth ..... 1 Ref: 1337/7 15 24b Incidentally there has been a large update to the 1841 index; from 72,000 to 88,000 names in the last couple of days. I can never remember the url but Google on Sheffield Indexers :-) Actually it is, from Elaine's answer :-) http://www.sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/1841census/ John Broomhead isn't listed in the 1852 city directory. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

-------Original Message------- From: Elaine Pickard Date: 04/20/05 15:16:59 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com; Marian Mahon Subject: Re: [SHEFF] St.Peter & Paul(Sheffield Cathedral) Surname List <>Does anyone have a list of this parish's ( or Cathedral's) surnames from around 1836 to 1850 or so that would include this BROOMHEAD family<> Hi Marian, You have hit the dilemma that all of us have that the Sheffield Cathedral Pr s have not been filmed prior to 1828...... I know that the marriages have been indexed but are not very easy to search as they are in a book format if I remember correctly. The actual PR's being on fiche......The only place to view either is the Sheffield Archives. The Archives have not placed the fiche they have for sale for those of us that can not make it to Sheffield. The LDS will be back to film more but when that is the question. Have you had a look at the NEW 1841 census index........ http://www.sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/1841census/ Hope this helps. Kindest regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.17 - Release Date: 4/19/2005

Hi to Sheffield List, After a long period of absence from this list, while I was searching another family line, I am rejoining the list and have an interest in the John and Matilda BROOMHEAD family, especially their daughter Anne. I believe they were married in 1836, had several other children, and I know that Anne was born March 28, 1851 (since the 1851 census for the family says they had an UN-NAMED, four-day old daughter and the census was taken on April 1). I have been unable to find her birth certificate; so am now also interested in a baptism record for her. A Sheffield Archivist told me that the family was in St.Peter & Paul (Sheffield Cathedral) parish at that time since they lived first on Sidney Street, then Egerton, and Clarence Streets in various census years. I do know that in the 1861 census this un-named daughter was named Anne, and this girl was my great grandmother Anne BROOMHEAD GATLEY;. Does anyone have a list of this parish's ( or Cathedral's) surnames from around 1836 to 1850 or so that would include this BROOMHEAD family? Would such a list include or be a help in finding their marriage or Anne's baptism? Any help gladly appreciated. Marian Gatley Mahon Richmond, Virginia USA

Hi All Because I inadvertantly deleted several unread messages, would anyone onlist who emailed me from yesterday and up to the time of reading this message please send the message again if they havent received a response already. Regards Gordon List Admin (in Sheffield) Sheffield Genealogy Website : http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.18 - Release Date: 19/04/2005

Lisa Evans (levans44@yahoo.co.uk) posted: >> Does anyone know if there are available indexes for Sheffield for deaths after 1950 - other than 1837online, or am I better looking at the cemetery records. I am searching for the death of Thomas KIRK (born c1875) believed to be in 1952 and his wife Annie KIRK (nee Hay - born c1891) believed to be in 1969. >> I checked the fiche at Ottawa LDS. 1952 Q2 Thomas Kirk, 71, Sheffield, 2d, 247 This is the only candidate in 1952 1969 Q2 Annie Kirk, [DOB] 26 Je? 1889, Doncaster 2b 1091 1969 Q3 Annie Kirk, 12 De 1889, Upr Agbrigg 2d 113x The last digit of the page is missing Upper Agbrigg Registration District was between Wakefield and Huddersfield - Heavy Woollen District - I think. Note I only checked 1952 and 1969 respectively. I did not do a full search. -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

An old library pamphlet called _Street Names of Central Sheffield_ by Mary Walton says this about Haymarket: "The name Haymarket dates from about 1830, when the then Duke of Norfolk made one of his family's several unsuccessful attempts to establish a hay and corn market in the town. The old name of Haymarket was Bull Stake. Here, certainly, a bull was tied, and it is only too true that the animal may at times have been cruelly baited: but the stake had also a milder function - here the town bull may have stood for hire in the proper season as a sire." Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Neal" <gneal@jetstream.net> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 19, 2005 6:23 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Haymarket, Sheffield. > Hello,All, > In the 1841 Census for Sheffield I found quite a number of individuals with the "Address" listed as " Haymarket". > Would SKS inform me as to what and where that place was. > Regards. Gordon Neal. Canada. > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Always include your name and area of residence on ALL list messages. It helps others to point you to your nearest source of information. It also makes for a more friendly message. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > >

Hi Gordon, Haymarket is in the enter of Sheffield and runs from Fitzallan Square to Exchange Street....... . I f you have a look at the following map you will find it...... http://jfatherton.0catch.com/sheffield/maps/shef1903s.jpg http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield/ and look at the above 1980 street name map for Haymarket you will see an old photo of the area....... Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.9.16 - Release Date: 4/18/2005