hello Harry, The current official spelling is 'Bramall' Lane and that seems to have been used from at least 1834, judging by the addresses in directories transcribed (in part) at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/index.html . Variants with an 'h' look strange to me! Interestingly, there is no sign of this road under any spelling in the directories listed there for 1787, 1822 and 1829. The 1851 OS also spells it Bramall. Of course sufficient and authorative evidence for this spelling can be found throughout the following site: http://www.sufc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/Home/0,,10418,00.html Hugh (Sheffield) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harry Dodsworth" <af877@freenet.carleton.ca> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:15 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Bramhall Lane or Brammall Lane? > Bramhall Lane is one of the best known streets in Sheffield. > However in the old directories, it seems to be spelt Brammall Lane. > I have a birth and death certificate from the 1840s and again > Brammall is the spelling - I would expect the registrar to be able > to spell correctly. > > Did the spelling change and, if so, when and why? > > A Google search lists: > Bramhall 1190; Brammall 447; Bramall 214; Bramhal 2 > Of course many of the references were written by football fans :-) > > > -- > Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca > ----------------------------------------------------------------

Bramhall Lane is one of the best known streets in Sheffield. However in the old directories, it seems to be spelt Brammall Lane. I have a birth and death certificate from the 1840s and again Brammall is the spelling - I would expect the registrar to be able to spell correctly. Did the spelling change and, if so, when and why? A Google search lists: Bramhall 1190; Brammall 447; Bramall 214; Bramhal 2 Of course many of the references were written by football fans :-) -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

I am looking for a family who lived on Little London Road, Heeley, Sheffield probably in the 1930's & 40's and maybe later. The problem is I don't know their surname! It is the sister of my grandmother and her husband - their christian names are Harry and May (nee JEWELL) - I am searching for. My grandmother Ethel Jewell married Thomas Hampton and lived in Mexborough. Harry and Thomas were in the army together, Thomas and Ethel married in 1924. Apparently, Harry and May had 2 children, a son and a daughter but that is all I know. If anyone has access to or can look at the Electoral Register for Little London Road and see if there is a Harry and May living there and give me a surname I would be very grateful. Otherwise I don't know where I could go on from here. Many thanks Sue

Hello List, Can anyone throw any light on the workhouse/hospital at Grenoside. I have searched through the South Yorks Asylum fbooks, several times, for a Grandfather, who is said to have come out of there and then drowned himself aged 25 in 1912. I have his death registration and also his burial place in a common grave in Tinsley Park, so know the date is right. I cannot find any record of him being in there at all. I have recently discovered that there was also this place at Grenoside and wonder if this is where he came out of. I have questioned my aunt about it and she says, that my Gran always said that it was Wadsley where he came out of,which I assume was Middlewood or S.Y.A, so the mystery deepens. TIA Carol, Sheffield

Dear Stevie The Wadlsey Asylum became part of what was known as Middlewood Hospital which closed in the early 1990s. The site has now been redeveloped with houses but some of the original buildings have been preserved and converted into luxury apartments. As far as staff records are concerned the rules are that the staff file must be kept until the individual reaches the age of 70 after which it can be destroyed. I would think therefore that your grandfather's file was probably destroyed in about 1965. However as Jeremy stated there may be some records in the Sheffield Archives. The following is a link to the UK National Archives website which gives a bit more detail about hospital records http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords Hope this helps Ewan Armstrong Sheffield UK -----Original Message----- From: John & Stevie Smith [mailto:john.stevie@escape.net.au] Sent: 24 April 2005 10:19 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] Wadsley Asylum Hi Listers My grandfather Fred Portman b 1895 was a nurse at the Wadsley Asylum Sheffield and later a gardener there. I do not know exactly what years he worked there but I know he was working in a coal mine until after his marriage in 1916 so it was post that time. I found a site on Google which told me that it had been demolished. Will it still be possible to find records of my grandfather's working life there or will they be protected by privacy laws? If anyone has any knowledge of the Wadsley Asylum I would be interested to hear from them. All the best Stevie Smith Perth Western Australia ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== It helps others to know which message your replying to, so always add a little of the text from the message to which you are responding. Some subscribers (myself included) have short memories. ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I have permission from the YORSKGEN subscriber who sent the following reply to me off list to forward it to the SHEFFIELD list. An enquiry was sent to the YORSKGEN mailing list asking if any one had a Frederick Warburton, born 1873 Ecclesall Bierlow on their family tree. My husbands grandmother had a brother who matched the details. I answered and the following is the reply to me off list. It is referring to children who were in orphanages and children's homes who were sent to Canada and Australia, some without their parent(s) knowledge. Subject: Re: [YKS] WARBURTON, Ecclesall Bierlow. I have a friend here (Canada)whose father was one of these children - he came here in 1923 age 13, was told both his parents were dead, and given a false birth certificate. He did remember he was born in Cheshire and had a sister called Mary Alice, who went by Alice. He tried all his life to find his family in England but was always blocked by the authorities in both countries - but now the story of these kids has come out and the records have opened up. My friend has found the whereabouts of her dads sister Alice - or at least her granddaughter, Alice died in 1999. It appears she too was sent to various childrens homes in England and also given a false birth certificate. It states she was Alice Warburton born March 14, 1910 to Frederick and Lydia (nee Wood). There is an actual birth entry for Alice, and I found Frederick and Lydia on the 1901 census. Not that it matters now, but I was curious as to what made the local authorities give "my" Alice that particular birth certificate - did Frederick and Lydia's Alice die? Was she too put in a home? I am a keen family historian (not in Yorkshire though), and thought I'd just join the list to see if there were any connections. So if you have any idea about the rest of your family I'd be extremely interested. If not, sorry to have rambled on! SIGNATURE DELETED----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have searched the free BMD and found baby Alice Warburton, she was born and died on the same day. Alice Warburton age 0 March qtr. 1910. 9c 215. Ecclesall Bierlow. My enquiry is- is it possible to find out if baby Alice was the daughter of Frederick & Lydia Warburton without me having to send for a copy of the death certificate ?. To say that I am upset to think that her identity was possibly stolen is an understatement. Was this practice widespread ?, and if so it takes searching for ancestors to many brick walls. Thanks for reading all of the above, Audrey, Canada. Ex Sheffield. :

JLB7981@aol.com wrote snip<Could SKS with info on the 1851 & 1871 census for Sheffield look up a > Henry Mason family> This looks like them in 1871 Christine 1945 1871 George Duffield1847 Spalding, Lincolnshire, EnglandBoarder Sheffield Yorkshire Henry Mason1814 Sheffield, Yorkshire, EnglandHead Sheffield Yorkshire Sarah Mason1853 Sheffield, Yorkshire, EnglandDaughter Sheffield Yorkshire Thirza Mason1860 Sheffield, Yorkshire, EnglandDaughter Sheffield Yorkshire Thurza Mason1815 Sheffield, Yorkshire, EnglandWife Sheffield Yorkshire Joseph Walker1846 Scrinsby, Lincolnshire, EnglandBoarder Sheffield Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: <JLB7981@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Re Henry Mason > > Hello list, > > Could SKS with info on the 1851 & 1871 census for Sheffield look up a > Henry Mason family , wife Thirza variant spellings of her name. > > Believe it is in the Park areas > > They were at 132 South St in 1861 3493 /32F&B > They were at 125 South St on the 1881 Census > > Thank You very Much for any Help !!! > > Jean Mason/Boone OHIO USA JLB7981@aol.com > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > All internet users should have a virus detection program installed. If you > dont have one then please install one immediately. > ***** You Know It Makes Sense ***** > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 21/04/2005

Jean, I have the 1871 Census image for you if you want to contact me off-list. They were still at 132 South Street in 1871. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd April 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <JLB7981@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 6:09 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Re Henry Mason > > Hello list, > > Could SKS with info on the 1851 & 1871 census for Sheffield look up a > Henry Mason family , wife Thirza variant spellings of her name. > > Believe it is in the Park areas > > They were at 132 South St in 1861 3493 /32F&B > They were at 125 South St on the 1881 Census > > Thank You very Much for any Help !!! > > Jean Mason/Boone OHIO USA JLB7981@aol.com

Hi Listers My grandfather Fred Portman b 1895 was a nurse at the Wadsley Asylum Sheffield and later a gardener there. I do not know exactly what years he worked there but I know he was working in a coal mine until after his marriage in 1916 so it was post that time. I found a site on Google which told me that it had been demolished. Will it still be possible to find records of my grandfather's working life there or will they be protected by privacy laws? If anyone has any knowledge of the Wadsley Asylum I would be interested to hear from them. All the best Stevie Smith Perth Western Australia

Hello list, Could SKS with info on the 1851 & 1871 census for Sheffield look up a Henry Mason family , wife Thirza variant spellings of her name. Believe it is in the Park areas They were at 132 South St in 1861 3493 /32F&B They were at 125 South St on the 1881 Census Thank You very Much for any Help !!! Jean Mason/Boone OHIO USA JLB7981@aol.com

Hello Stevie, This may be of help to you; it's taken from the list website from the Wadsley Parish Registers link, Wadsley asylum was demolished a year or so ago to make way for a housing estate. All records that exist pertaining to the asylum are held at Sheffield Archives. There is a 'Minutes' book, held at the archives which records daily goings on in the asylum, staff hiring, firings, promotions etc. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd April 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "John & Stevie Smith" <john.stevie@escape.net.au> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2005 10:18 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Wadsley Asylum > Hi Listers > My grandfather Fred Portman b 1895 was a nurse at the Wadsley Asylum > Sheffield and later a gardener there. I do not know exactly what years he > worked there but I know he was working in a coal mine until after his > marriage in 1916 so it was post that time. I found a site on Google > which told me that it had been demolished. Will it still be possible to > find records of my grandfather's working life there or will they be > protected by privacy laws? > > If anyone has any knowledge of the Wadsley Asylum I would be interested to > hear from them. > All the best > Stevie Smith > Perth Western Australia > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > It helps others to know which message your replying to, so always add a > little of the text from the message to which you are responding. Some > subscribers (myself included) have short memories. > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > > >

Morning Harry, I have just had another look at the index and the family was enumerated as Moor. 1336/5 39bSheffield Park 11 New Street John Moor 40 Elaine. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005

Hello Elaine, Thank you for the reply. Apparently there were two John Moores' who were both 40 yrs and both married to a Mary, in the 1841 census. My John was my g-g-grandfather bn 1797 and was a Knife Blade Forger, so I guess the 38 New St was his right address and he and his family will show up on the Sheffield Park piece that you say will be completed soon. My grandfather was Harry Moore, son of William, who was one of Johns sons. A bit confusing I guess. William and his wife must have gone to his fathers house for the birth of Harry, for they lived at Bramber St., which must have been near St Georges, as that is where Harry was christened. Thanks again for your help. Harry Moore in Florida

An enquiry was sent to the YORSKGEN mailing list asking if any one had a Frederick Warburton, born 1873 Ecclesall Bierlow on their family tree. My husbands grandmother had a brother who matched the details. I answered and the following is the reply. It is referring to children who were in orphanages and children's homes who were sent to Canada and Australia, some without their parent(s) knowledge. Subject: Re: [YKS] WARBURTON, Ecclesall Bierlow. I have a friend here (Canada)whose father was one of these children - he came here in 1923 age 13, was told both his parents were dead, and given a false birth certificate. He did remember he was born in Cheshire and had a sister called Mary Alice, who went by Alice. He tried all his life to find his family in England but was always blocked by the authorities in both countries - but now the story of these kids has come out and the records have opened up. My friend has found the whereabouts of her dads sister Alice - or at least her granddaughter, Alice died in 1999. It appears she too was sent to various childrens homes in England and also given a false birth certificate. It states she was Alice Warburton born March 14, 1910 to Frederick and Lydia (nee Wood). There is an actual birth entry for Alice, and I found Frederick and Lydia on the 1901 census. Not that it matters now, but I was curious as to what made the local authorities give "my" Alice that particular birth certificate - did Frederick and Lydia's Alice die? Was she too put in a home? I am a keen family historian (not in Yorkshire though), and thought I'd just join the list to see if there were any connections. So if you have any idea about the rest of your family I'd be extremely interested. If not, sorry to have rambled on! SIGNATURE DELETED----------------------------------------------------------------------------- I have searched the free BMD and found baby Alice Warburton, she was born and died on the same day. Alice Warburton age 0 March qtr. 1910. 9c 215. Ecclesall Bierlow. My enquiry is- is it possible to find out if baby Alice was the daughter of Frederick & Lydia Warburton without me having to send for a copy of the death certificate ?. To say that I am upset to think that her identity was possibly stolen is an understatement. Was this practice widespread ?, and if so it takes searching for ancestors to many brick walls. Thanks for reading all of the above, Audrey, Ex Shefield. :

Thanks so much Hugh for the information regarding the Driver family in the 1841 census. Judy hello Judy, Unfortunately the 1841 census does not give relationships. This is how this household is shown in the original (with its slightly eccentric order). Is it possible that the older Elizabeth is married to William ?! The slash marks are the original marks used to divide and subdivide the households. So Robert IBBOTSON is part of the household, though his actual status (lodger, visitor, some family relationship (?) is unknown. This census does not have schedule numbers. The folio number 27b is equivalent is essentially a page number. Hugh in Sheffield

hello Kay, White's 1919/20 directory includes Strand St in its list of smaller street and notes that it is off King Jame's St. From the street directory in the same edition, part of King Jame's St is listed as follows: *King Jame's Street* (Langsett Road) 2-40 even (Rose Street) 42-52 even (Hessle Street) 56-66 (Strand Street) (James Street) 104 (Grammar Street) It is not listed on the 'odd' side of this street. So, if you find King Jame's St on the Neepsend map, moving uphill (North to South) from Langsett Road, this street would have be on the right shortly before Grammar St (but allowing room for a James Street also). Rose Street is marked, but Hessle St, Strand St and James St are not - his is a blank area on the map. There is no mention of Strand Street in the 1901 directory, so it must have been built very soon after the map was published ! Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kay" <chantrey2000@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 8:58 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Strand Street > Hi > > I've been looking through parish records during 1907 - 1912 at St Bartholomew's Church on Langsett Road and have found relatives living on Strand Street. Please can anyone tell me where Strand Street was located, I've looked on my 1903 maps for Sheffield West and Sheffield Neepsend and just can't find it. > > Kay

Hi Harry, Glad to see you back at your tree and hope your computer stays active for a while. Thank you for your compliments re the 1841 census everyone that has been involved has worked very hard and long to have it nearly completed........ in a short 5 months. Now to your problem....... Two John Moore's................ piece no. 1337/4, ed 8, folio 33a, Sheffield South, Pond St................. . is correct as transcribed.. John is a file cutter......The census has been checked at least twice so other than the old English script and poor penmanship that was a problem it is as accurate as we could make it. As you will have seen on the index there is NO other 40 year old John more.. .. I have checked the pieces that have to be uploaded to the site and there is no other 40 year old John Moore. There is still one Sheffield Park piece number to be completed and I feel over the next two weeks will be on the site.... Who was your grandfather???? I must have it somewhere? LOL.......but 1859 is 18 years on... I doubt if this family would have still been producing children as Mary was already 40 could have been 44 in 1841. Hope this clear's up you problem...... Kindest regards. Elaine in Ottawa Sheffield Indexers 1841 Census Coordinator http://www.sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.10.2 - Release Date: 4/21/2005

Hi I've been looking through parish records during 1907 - 1912 at St Bartholomew's Church on Langsett Road and have found relatives living on Strand Street. Please can anyone tell me where Strand Street was located, I've looked on my 1903 maps for Sheffield West and Sheffield Neepsend and just can't find it. Kay

hello Judy, Unfortunately the 1841 census does not give relationships. This is how this household is shown in the original (with its slightly eccentric order). Is it possible that the older Elizabeth is married to William ?! // John DRIVER 50 ivory cutter Y William DRIVER 25 ivory cutter Y Hannah DRIVER 58 F.S. Y Caroline DRIVER 20 Y Elizabeth DRIVER 20 Y Elizabeth DRIVER 15 Y / Robert IBBOTSON 2 Y // The slash marks are the original marks used to divide and subdivide the households. So Robert IBBOTSON is part of the household, though his actual status (lodger, visitor, some family relationship (?) is unknown. This census does not have schedule numbers. The folio number 27b is equivalent is essentially a page number. Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Woodley" <judywood@allstream.net> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2005 7:15 PM Subject: [SHEFF] 1841 census > Hello, > I wonder if anyone has the actual 1841 census that might fill the additional information I need for this family. > > Piece No: 1337/5 ED: 10 Folio: 27b Charles Street, Sheffield South > > > My problem is that there is a Caroline DRIVER age 20 and an Elizabeth DRIVER age 15 at this same address and I have no idea how they are related. > I have a hunch they do not, but if relationships were shown in the 1841 census that would be great. The information as to whether they were all born in the county and a page number would be a big help. Did Schedule Numbers exist for the 1841? I know that they rounded off the ages which might explain why both Elizabeth and Caroline are 20 if indeed they are sisters but does not explain why they would have two children with the name Elizabeth. Perhaps the youngest one is grandchild but without relationships it is hard to tell. > > Thanks for any help. > > Judy Woodley > BC, Canada

Hello all, I have been off line for quite some time and I believe this will be a short run too. PC problems! I have just looked at the 1841 census and everyone who participated did a wonderful job. I would like to get a bit more information if possible. About four years ago, when I first started looking for my ancestors, I had someone look up my Moore family and they sent me these names for the 1841 census and the address was 38 New St, Park. John Moore head 40 Mary Moore wife 35 Elizabeth 15 William 3 Then someone else wrote that a Benjamin Moore was at the neighbors and tallied there. When I looked at the new site, the family was on Pond St. and the occupants were different. piece no. 1337/4, ed 8, folio 33a, Sheffield South, Pond St. John 40 Mary 40 William 14 Edward 7 James 5 Frederick 1mo Could someone please tell me which one of the entries are correct? I know that the family lived on New St, because my grandfather was born there in 1859. Thank you for any help. Harry Moore in Mt. Dora, Florida