Jay, I've tried the most basic of searches in various ways and the only male RUDD family members born in Sheffield in 1841 (+ or - 1 year) that I can find are as follows, Sheffield - Ecclesall Bierlow (14 Cliffe Street) Thomas RUDD (born: Sheffield) Age: 30, Occupation: Scissor Maker Living as a lodger with George & Mary TURNER London - Bethnall Green (13 Charles Street) Henry E. RUDD (born: Sheffield) Age: 30, Occupation: Coach Painter Living with wife Sarah Ann & Family. Looks like Frederick and family are hiding behind one of those brick walls. Best Wishes (and good hunting) Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gen Mail" <genmail@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 12:14 AM Subject: [SHEFF] 1871 - can't find Frederick RUDD & family > I've been looking on ancestry.co.uk on and off for days, but I cannot find > this family - not even one member of them. Please, if anyone has a spare > life or two could they have a go - I'm probably just missing something? > > Frederick Henry Hattersley RUDD born Feb 1841 Sheffield (Philips Road) > Hannah Elizabeth RUDD (nee HIBBERT) bap 22 Jan 1837 Sheffield (Carver St > Wes Meth Chapel) > Laura Eleanor RUDD born Apr 1864 Ecclesall Bierlow (Monmouth Street) > > In 1861 Frederick is listed twice, (he's single - doesn't get married > until next year 1862) > > 119 Ecclesall Road, Ecclesall Bierlow > Russells Buildings, Broom Spring Lane, Ecclesall Bierlow > > by 1881 Frederick and his family are at > 2 Brincliffe Hill Road, Ecclesall Bierlow > > by 1891 Frederick and his wife are at > 1 ctg. Olivet Road, Norton (Ecclesall Bierlow) > > No matter what tricks I try, I cannot find this family in 1871. Others > called Frederick, Hannah and Laura pop up, but all have some detail wrong, > and to the best of my ability I've disproved those odd entries. > > Would be grateful if anyone can find them. (AND there ought to be a bonus > if you find Frederick in 1851 - he and brother Thomas missing from there > too!) > > Jay

I wonder could some kind soul give me the details from the above film of census of 1861. I am unable to find the details from Ancestry.Com George Guest married Sarah Peat on 2 August 1860 at The Wicker Church Sheffield. George was born in 1836 at Rotherham and Sarah was born 1842 at Chesterfield Derbyshire. In 1861 he was a Coachman. He died between 1861 and 1871. They had a daughter Emma born in 1862. Thank you, Stuart.

I've been looking on ancestry.co.uk on and off for days, but I cannot find this family - not even one member of them. Please, if anyone has a spare life or two could they have a go - I'm probably just missing something? Frederick Henry Hattersley RUDD born Feb 1841 Sheffield (Philips Road) Hannah Elizabeth RUDD (nee HIBBERT) bap 22 Jan 1837 Sheffield (Carver St Wes Meth Chapel) Laura Eleanor RUDD born Apr 1864 Ecclesall Bierlow (Monmouth Street) In 1861 Frederick is listed twice, (he's single - doesn't get married until next year 1862) 119 Ecclesall Road, Ecclesall Bierlow Russells Buildings, Broom Spring Lane, Ecclesall Bierlow by 1881 Frederick and his family are at 2 Brincliffe Hill Road, Ecclesall Bierlow by 1891 Frederick and his wife are at 1 ctg. Olivet Road, Norton (Ecclesall Bierlow) No matter what tricks I try, I cannot find this family in 1871. Others called Frederick, Hannah and Laura pop up, but all have some detail wrong, and to the best of my ability I've disproved those odd entries. Would be grateful if anyone can find them. (AND there ought to be a bonus if you find Frederick in 1851 - he and brother Thomas missing from there too!) Jay

Hi Caroline, Image about to be sent off-list within the next few minutes. The quality of the image is not very good though, one of the worst I've seen on Ancestry. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "CAROLINE COFFEY" <caroline.coffey13@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:33 PM Subject: [SHEFF] re- 1871 help please for Albertina Stead > Hi to all please can anyone look for my 3x great grandmother Albertina > Stead in 1871 census? Her parents were John Stead and Sara Stead living in > Sheffield she was born in 1852. Thanks if you can kind regards Caroline

Hi to all please can anyone look for my 3x great grandmother Albertina Stead in 1871 census? Her parents were John Stead and Sara Stead living in Sheffield she was born in 1852. Thanks if you can kind regards Caroline

Hi Richard, You're right. I have just looked at my old Pawson & Brailsford 1900 Map and it does show it on that as well. I didn't bother looking at any of my maps of this period because Marion mentioned the 1840s so my 1849 map was the obvious choice. The road had been shortened considerably though in the 51 years between 1849 and 1900. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Tetley" <richard.tetley@ntlworld.com> To: "Jeremy Crawshaw" <jeremy.crawshaw@talktalk.net> Cc: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Strawberry Lane > Strawberry Hall Lane was still there in 1903. > And, from studying the overhead satellite photos, it is now under the back > gardens of houses on Priestley St, Store St, and > directly under the buildings opposite the new B&Q depot. > > In fact, Strawberry Hall Lane would have met Queens Road just about > opposite the entrance to the B&Q car park! > > Rgerads > Richard > > Jeremy Crawshaw wrote: > >> Hello Marion, >> >> I've just had a look at my 1849 Sheffield Map and have found it, albeit >> named as Strawberry Hall Lane.

Strawberry Hall Lane was still there in 1903. And, from studying the overhead satellite photos, it is now under the back gardens of houses on Priestley St, Store St, and directly under the buildings opposite the new B&Q depot. In fact, Strawberry Hall Lane would have met Queens Road just about opposite the entrance to the B&Q car park! Rgerads Richard Jeremy Crawshaw wrote: > Hello Marion, > > I've just had a look at my 1849 Sheffield Map and have found it, albeit > named as Strawberry Hall Lane.

Hi everyone I have just been reading the memoirs of my grandmother who was born in 1893. She mentioned her great great grandfather Kiddall Tomlinson who she said was a yeoman farmer from Kidd Hall in the village of Kiddalhall, South Yorkshire. Has anyone heard of Kiddalhall village and any idea of where it is? I tried a Google search with no real success. He would have lived there in the late 1700's from my reckoning. Any information would be most helpful about the village and/or Kiddall Tomlinson. Kind regards Stevie Smith Perth Western Australia

Stuart, Can you give me some more info and I'll have a look for you. I've just had a quick look on Ancestry and can see quite a few George GUESTs so his approx age (in 1861), his occupation and any other family members names would be of help. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stugue@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 7:40 PM Subject: [SHEFF] George Guest 1861 Census >I have been unable to find George Guest on the 1861 Census on Ancestry.com > I have been advised however that he appears on the 1861 census index ref > HO3472 vol76F. > I would be so grateful if somebody could kindly look this up and tells me > what appears. > Yours hopefully, > > Stuart

Hi Elaine Thanks for the info. I thought Strawberry Lane must have disappeared when Park was built up mid -late 19th century but worth a try. Of course, much of that development has gone as well now.... Thanks again Marian >From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> >To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com>, "Marian Smith" <marzipan52@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Strawberry Lane >Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 22:12:47 -0400 (Eastern Standard Time) > >Hi Marian, > >Strawberry Lane (Park) is certainly mentioned on the 1841 census.. and its >somewhere near Park Grange Farm?........Unfortunately I don't think it was >in existence too much after 1841 as in the 1871 street name change booklet >its isn't mentioned. Certainly not there by 1881. > >That's the best I can do I am afraid. > >Kindest regards. > >Elaine in Ottawa. >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 Marian E Smith

Hi to all please can anyone look for my 3x great grandmother Albertina Stead in 1871 census? Her parents were John Stead and Sara Stead living in Sheffield she was born in 1852. Thanks if you can kind regards Caroline Hi a quicklook in ancestry brought this up: Wood Grove, Nether Hallam Head: John STEAD aged 53 born Wortley occupation Cab driver Wife: Sarah STEAD aged 45 born Sheffield Daughter: Albertine STEAD aged 19 born Sheffield Son: William STEAD aged 13 born Sheffield I can send the image offlist if you wish. Amanda Liverpool

Hello Marion, I've just had a look at my 1849 Sheffield Map and have found it, albeit named as Strawberry Hall Lane. Elaine was correct in saying that it was quite close to Park Grange Farm. I have just been comparing the old map with a current Sheffield Street Plan and the road used to run more or less parallel to the River Sheaf and part of what is now Queens Road would now cross over where the lane used to be. If you have a current Sheffield Street Map, look for Edmund Road and you will see a small road/lane running off it called Clough Bank, as you look at the map Strawberry Hill Lane was on the right side of Clough Bank running up towards the first part of Queens Road. The lane started at Hill Road (which itself was off Queens Road, this road no longer exists) and then ran to a dead end at Eastbank Cottage, it was at that time just a rural lane running through fields near to the River Sheaf. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temporary List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Smith" <marzipan52@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 1:29 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Strawberry Lane > Hello all > > Could anyone tell me where Strawberry Lane, Park, was situated? My g > grandmother Sarah Staniforth was born there in 1845 and her family had > been there from 1841 at least. I have searched through my old maps many > times but must be missing it somehow. > > Thanks > > Marian E Smith

I have been unable to find George Guest on the 1861 Census on Ancestry.com I have been advised however that he appears on the 1861 census index ref HO3472 vol76F. I would be so grateful if somebody could kindly look this up and tells me what appears. Yours hopefully, Stuart

Does this help? http://www.hjsmith.clara.co.uk/oriel.htm It shows Kiddal Hall in Barwick in Elmet, which is close to Leeds. Kind Regards Kay-UK Researching: CLUFF/CLOUGH (Whaplode Drove, Wisbech St Mary?) HARDING (Tydd St Giles/St Mary, Cambs. Milldenhall, Suffolk, Eckington, Doncaster HESSLEWOOD (Beighton, Derbyshire, Attercliffe Sheffield, Doncaster) HOLROYD (Attercliffe Sheffield/Doncaster) HULL (Leicestershire) JEWKES, (Dudley), JONES (Dudley, Worcs. Eckington Doncaster) MAW(E) (Thorpe Hesley/Salvin, Attercliffe Sheffield) MOAKES (Eckington, Derbyshire/Treversall, Nottinghamshire) NEWELL/NOWELL/NOWILL/NOEL (Walsall, Staffs., Eckington, Derbyshire, Doncaster) RUMBELOW (Cambridgeshire/Suffolk) SIMPKINS/SIMPKIN/SIMKINS (Witcham, Woodditton, Cambs.) SMITH (Whaplode Drove, Wisbech St Mary?) WORTON (Dudley) -----Original Message----- From: John & Stevie Smith [mailto:john.stevie@escape.net.au] Sent: 12 May 2005 13:44 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] Kidd Hall and the village of Kiddalhall South Yorkshire Hi everyone I have just been reading the memoirs of my grandmother who was born in 1893. She mentioned her great great grandfather Kiddall Tomlinson who she said was a yeoman farmer from Kidd Hall in the village of Kiddalhall, South Yorkshire. Has anyone heard of Kiddalhall village and any idea of where it is? I tried a Google search with no real success. He would have lived there in the late 1700's from my reckoning. Any information would be most helpful about the village and/or Kiddall Tomlinson. Kind regards Stevie Smith Perth Western Australia ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== FLAMING or response postings to any unsavoury message content will not be tolerated on Eng-Sheffield. ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/2005

if they lived at woodhouse why are they buried at balby and why are the records under theYork Arch Society. i have ancestors buried there from 1811 through to 1836 thankyou marea --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

In a message dated 12/05/2005 04:41:10 GMT Standard Time, angeltrouble7025@yahoo.com.au writes: if they lived at woodhouse why are they buried at balby and why are the records under theYork Arch Society. i have ancestors buried there from 1811 through to 1836 Hi Marea, The Quakers had large Meetings in some places and Balby was just one of them. Handsworth/Wolodhouse was just a small meeting but Balby was a main one for the area. Their meetings were often held quite far away from where people lived and I found some Chesterfield Quakers attending the Balby area which is some distance away. I think that you should try and find out about the history of the Quakers in this district perhaps from the Society of Friends, Euston Road, London or The Secretary Quaker Family History Society - Liz Butler 1 Ormond Crescent Hampton London TW12 2TJ Email: _info@qfhs.co.uk_ (mailto:info@qfhs.co.uk) Hope this helps Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _http://www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

hello Marea, The Yorkshire Archaeological Society (http://www.laplata.co.uk/yas/content/about.html ) has transcribed and published many parish registers and other records. They were responisble for publishing 5 or 6 volumes of the early Sheffield Parish Registers, for example. I'm not sure whether you are saying your ancestors were buried at Woodhouse or Balby?! The earlier reference to Balby was the 'Balby Monthly Meeting' (Balby MM) which you could compare with a Parish - it might cover an extensive area and several settlements. Because the concentration of Quakers varied from place to place, the town picked as a centre may seem surprising - presumably there were lots of Quakers in Balby and not so many in Sheffield or Woodhouse. Balby MM dates from the beginnings of the Society of Friends: "Monthly Meetings in 1669 The following were created at the Yorkshire Quarterly Meeting held in March 1669, at which George Fox was present: Balby Monthly Meeting (1669 - ), West Riding [comprising Balby, Cinderhill, Fishlake and Sheffield] (and thirteen other MMs) http://www.hull.ac.uk/oldlib/archives/quaker/1669.htm" It is likely that there was a larger burial ground at Balby for the main Monthly Meeting. It would not be surprising if, sometimes, people from the subordinate meetings, such as Woodhouse, were buried there. Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marea Sherman" <angeltrouble7025@yahoo.com.au> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 4:40 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Re: Woodhouse quakers buried at balby Why? > > if they lived at woodhouse why are they buried at balby and why are the records under theYork Arch Society. i have ancestors buried there from 1811 through to 1836 > > thankyou > > marea

Hello all Could anyone tell me where Strawberry Lane, Park, was situated? My g grandmother Sarah Staniforth was born there in 1845 and her family had been there from 1841 at least. I have searched through my old maps many times but must be missing it somehow. Thanks Marian E Smith

Thanks Elaine - I have seen that one on the 1841 site. I need to send for his death certificate to see if that gives any clues. I hadn't found the death though - thanks again for that. Hilary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Pickard" <trayford@rogers.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com>; "hilary jackson" <hj014b0552@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] ROBERT BRAITHWAITE AND HARRIET MICKLETHWAITE > Hi Hilary, > > the 1841 census does have a Christopher Braithwaite.... > 1337/5 27a Sheffield South 10 Charles Street Christopher Braithwaite 80 > > Burial. > > St. Mary, Bramall Lane Christopher BRAITHWAITE New George St 83 20 Jun > 1844 > Can't find Robert. > Elaine. in Ottawa. >

Robert BRAITHWAITE and Harriet MICKLETHWAITE were married in Penistone in 1849; their children were - John b1850 Hunshelf; Thomas born 1852 Wortley; Jane born 1854 Hunshelf; Benjamin b1856 Hunshelf, Joseph b1858 Hunshelf; Josiah (my Grandfather ) b1859 Greenmoor; Robert Reynard b1864 Bolsterstone; George b1868 Bolsterstone. Robert BRAITHWAITE was b 1824 in Hartwith, Yorkshire and Harriet MICKLETHWAITE was b 1827 in Bradfield, Yorkshire. Their children also seemed to have large families - is there anyone out there researching the BRAITHWAITE family - I would love to exchange information. I have hit a brickwall trying to find Robert's birth; his father was Christopher BRAITHWAITE, and I can't trace him either. I have found the family (Not Christopher) in various later Census records, its just the earlier information which I can't find - I have not managed to find Christopher or Robert BRAITHWAITE nor Harriet MICKLETHWAITE on the 1841 Census as yet although I have Harriet's family, she is not with her parents Benjamin and Sarah. If you are researching this BRAITHWAITE family, please contact me with a view to exchanging information. Hilary Jackson (nee BRAITHWAITE) www.hilarymaryjackson.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk