Hi Kay, Re the 1841 census..... Just three more to be checked before they are all on line....... Just placed another Brightside Bierlow one on line take another look. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 5/13/2005

Alan, Just a quick point, I have spelled the surname incorrectly in the info I have just given you, on the census return it is spelled as JEFFERY, just like your own name. Regards Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 15th May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Jeffery" <alanjeff@aapt.net.au> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: [SHEFF] FW: JEFFERY/JEFFREY TINSLEY 1925 > > >> > Gooday All, >> I have come up against a brick wall as we all do in the pursuit of our > family's past and thought that out there some one will know something or > be > able to put me on the right track. >> If anyone has info or can suggest which way I should turn it would be > gratefully received. >> >> Your from Sunny Queensland OZ Alan Jeffery

Alan, I have just had a look on Ancestry for you and have found the following family which may be yours, you'll have to decide. If you would like the image to study I can mail it to you off-list. 1891 Census Civil Parish: Heeley Minicipal Ward: Nether Hallam 83 Alexandra Road Thomas H. JEFFREY, Head, Married, Age: 35, Occ: Table Knife Buffer, Born: Notts. Old Radford Sarah J. JEFFREY, Wife, Married, Age: 33, Born: Staffs, Wolverhampton John E. JEFFREY, Son, Age: 12, Occ: Cutler, Born: YKS, Sheffield James W. JEFFREY, Son, Age: 9, Scholar, Born: YKS, Sheffield Mary E. JEFFREY, Daughter, Age: 6, Scholar, Born: YKS, Sheffield Florence JEFFREY, Daughter, Age: 4, Scholar, Born: YKS, Sheffield Nellie JEFFREY, Daughter, Age: 2, Scholar, Born: YKS, Sheffield Edith JEFFREY, Daughter, Age: Under 6 Months, Born: YKS, Sheffield James JEFFREY, Father, Married, Age: 75, Born: Devon, Exeter Elizabeth JEFFREY, Mother, Married, Age: 66, Born: Herefordshire, Ashburton Albert J. JEFFREY, Brother, Widower, Age: 30, Occ: Heraldic Engraver, Born: Notts, Old Radford Charles J. JEFFREY, Nephew, Age: 8, Scholar, Born: YKS, Sheffield Herbert S. JEFFREY, Nephew, Age: 6, Scholar, Born: YKS, Sheffield Charles JEFFREY, Brother, Single, Age: 27, Occ: Locksmith, Born: Notts, Old Radford Rose A. JEFFREY, Niece, Age: 12, Scholar, Born: YKS, Sheffield All of the names you mentioned (apart from George) appear in this family although Florence & Edith are cousins to this Charles. One other thing, next to the surname of 75 year old James JEFFREY it has the letters "St", I don't know if this means he was Thomas' step-father or maybe it means something else, maybe someone else on the list may be able to throw some light on it. Looks like the house was pretty well packed. Don't forget, if you want the image just mail me and I will send it to you. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 15th May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Jeffery" <alanjeff@aapt.net.au> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 11:01 AM Subject: [SHEFF] FW: JEFFERY/JEFFREY TINSLEY 1925 > > >> > Gooday All, >> I have come up against a brick wall as we all do in the pursuit of our > family's past and thought that out there some one will know something or > be > able to put me on the right track. My Grandfather Charles (Charlie ) James > JEFFERY was born in Sheffield in 1886 married Frances Cawthorne and they > had > 2 sons, one of which was my dad. Charlie had 2 sisters Florence and Edith > born a year before and a year after himself and I have traced them to the > present day. He also had a brother George JEFFERY born in 1880 in > Sheffield > and to this point I cannot find out much about him. I have been assured he > had 13 children and I have photos of a number of them, and in 1925 he was > living at 40 Third Ave, Munition Huts Tinsley. One of the photos shows a > couple of his children outside the huts. Also from the voters lists of > 1925 > it gives other occupants of the above address as Charles Henry Jeffrey and > Jane Lillian Jeffrey. Charles Henry would probably be one of his sons but > Jane Lillian could be his wife, daughter or daughter in law. >> If anyone has info or can suggest which way I should turn it would be > gratefully received. >> >> Your from Sunny Queensland OZ Alan Jeffery

Everything comes to him who waits :-) I asked about Piece Number 1329/1 of Brightside Bierlow. Elaine confirmed this was one of the last pieces being checked. Indeed it was put online last week and six Fewsdales (my connections) were present on Stanley Street, Wicker, just where expected.(Part of Stanley Street was in the pieces which have been available for some time, which was part of my confusion.) -- Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877@freenet.carleton.ca ----------------------------------------------------------------

Check out the neat project that National Geographic and IBM are collaborating on regarding our ancestries. http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/genographic/ Patty Monroe, CT

Dear Listers, I received a heartfelt appeal that I wish to share with everyone who has submitted or is thinking of submitting one or more surnames. «I am very disappointed with the response I have received, or more to the point not received, from various people who have put names forward on the Yorkshire surname list. Sometimes, just in case they never received the first email, I have contacted them again but to no avail. What I don't understand is why people put names forward if they have no intention or cannot be bothered to reply to queries. Not only does this cause you unnecessary work it also destroys my confidence in the list. However, I will still continue to watch out for my name interests as there must be some kind person on the list who will acknowledge my query.» I share this person's disappointment. Believe me, I couldn't care less whether there are 200 or 20,000 surnames on this list. The most important is that the list serves as a database for other researchers. If you have submitted surnames and are no longer interested in being contacted, do let me know and I'll remove your submissions. You don't even have to list the names - just send me your email address. No problem at all. I'm sure you are all kind souls at heart. Nuff said. Below is the list of the 77 surnames that were submitted this week, following the list of persons whose entries have been deleted because their email address has bounced. DEFAULTERS whose surname submissions have been deleted: Malcolm Brears (1) malcolmb@netaccess.co.nz Hilda Marshall (2) H.Marshall@tinyonline.co.uk Chris Huges (4) chris@hughes11.freeserve.co.uk Walter Blanchard Thompson (1) grayrigg@eisa.net.au P. Howell (6) howells@xtra.co.nz Paul Archer (4) pj.archer@ntlworld.com Bob Copeland (1) bobcopeland@g4pdf.freeserve.co.uk NEW SURNAMES THIS WEEK: AKED, ARMSTRONG BALDWIN, BARTON(2), BELL(2), BURNISTON CANNON, CARIS, COCKSHOTT, COLBY, COTTOM/COTTON COULBY DAMON, DEWSBERRY, DIX, DOBSON(2), DOLLIMORE DUNLOP EATON, ETHERINGTON FAIRHEAD, FEARN(E)/FIRN, FINLINSON, FOSTER, FOWLER FRANCE GOODISON HANBY, HARRISON, HELLIWELL, HEMINGWAY, HEPTINSTALL HOLMES, HOLROYD, HOLT, HUNTLEY INGHAM JACKSON KAYE, KELL(E)Y, KETTLE LAMB, LATNEY, LYON MCNEILL, MOORE, MURGATROYD OXLEY PARKER, PEXTON, PINDER, PORRIT RAPER, RAYWOOD, REVIS, REYNOLDS, RIPLEY ROBERTS SEYMOUR, SHERWOOD, SOTHCOTT, SPURR, SUTCLIFFE TAYLOR, THACKER VARLEY WADE, WALKER, WATSON(2), WEBSTER, WILKINSON WINTERBURN YOUNG Best regards to everyone, Magdalena -- For all communications, please use: YKSsurnames@yahoo.com THE SURNAMES INDEX CAN BE FOUND AT THE YKS SURNAMES LIST HOME PAGE. PLEASE GO TO: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/yks.htm

Have a look on Jane Lachs Bolsterstone site http://www.bolsterstone.de/BGP.htm and go to World Connect. You will find the Helliwells there John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz McAsey" <eamcasey@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 9:02 AM Subject: 1851 census help please >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Liz McAsey [mailto:eamcasey@ntlworld.com] >> Sent: 15 May 2005 08:00 >> To: 'ENG-' >> Subject: 1851 census help please >> >> Dear List, >> I have two families a Benajamin and Mary Swift in Sheffield in 1861 who I >> would like to find in 1851 they had a daughter sarah about 17 in 1861 who >> would be about 7 in 1851, also Isaac and Hannah Helliwell with son George >> , they were in Bradfield in 1841 , george was born bradfield and would be >> about 10 in 1851. >> Could anyone help me to find them please? >> Thank you , >> Liz > > ______________________________

I have found this family in Sheffield in 1841 , Benjamin Swift aged 30, wife mary 30, children Jane 9, Thomas 7, harriet 6, Henry 4, William 1. Theyw ere at coalpit lane. Please could anyone locate them in 1851, in Sheffield, they should have a daughter Elizabeth about 9 and sarah aged 7 in 1851 Thank you , Liz

In a message dated 15/05/2005 20:34:18 GMT Standard Time, magdalena@blunham.com writes: I am very disappointed with the response I have received, or more to the point not received, from various people who have put names forward on the Yorkshire surname list. Sometimes, just in case they never received the first email, I have contacted them again but to no avail. What I don't understand is why people put names forward if they have no intention or cannot be bothered to reply to queries. Not only does this cause you unnecessary work it also destroys my confidence in the list. However, I will still continue to watch out for my name interests as there must be some kind person on the list who will acknowledge my query Hi Magdalena For many years I have been researching the name ELKINGTON and have never yet found anyone on the Yorks lists doing the same. I keep hoping Judy Elkington

Hello Liz, I can't help you with your SWIFT family but I have just searched the Bradfield 1851 Census and found two possible George HELLIWELLs. One of the George's is aged 9 and living with his parents, Isaac & Alice HELLIWELL, the other George is aged 7 and living with his widowed (pauper) mother Hannah and brother Benjamin. Folio: 588F, District: 18, Schedule: 80 Royd (Bradfield) Isaac HELLIWELL, Head, Married, Aged: 35, Occ: Agricultural Labourer, Born: YKS, Bradfield Alice HELLIWELL, Wife, Married, Aged: 32, Born: YKS, Ecclesfield John SMITH, Son/Law, Aged: 13, Occ: Coal Miner, Born: YKS, Ecclesfield Charles SMITH, Son/Law, Aged: 11, Occ: Coal Miner, Born: YKS, Ecclesfield George HELLIWELL, Son, Single, Aged: 9, Occ: Umbrella Maker, Born: YKS, Bradfield Elizabeth HELLIWELL, Daughter, Single, Aged: 7, Scholar, Born: YKS, Bradfield Lidia SMITH, Dau/Law, Aged: 7, Scholar, Born: DBY, Barlborough Thomas SMITH, Son./Law, Aged: 3 Born: YKS, Bradfield Ann HELLIWELL, Daughter, Aged: ? (not shown), Born: YKS, Bradfield Folio: 318B, District: 5, Schedule: 9 Brightholmlee (Bradfield) Hannah HELLIWELL, Head, Widow, Aged: 37, Occ: Pauper, Born: YKS, Bradfield George HELLIWELL, Son, Single, Aged: 7, Born: YKS, Bradfield Benjamin HELLIWELL, Son, Aged: 4, Born: YKS, Bradfield In the first family I can only assume that the relationship to head (ie: Son or Daughter in Law) may mean that the elder SMITH children may have been Alice's from a previous marriage, not sure about the younger ones. Do any of these two George's look like they might be yours? Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 15th May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Liz McAsey [mailto:eamcasey@ntlworld.com] >> Sent: 15 May 2005 08:00 >> To: 'ENG-' >> Subject: 1851 census help please >> >> Dear List, >> Isaac and Hannah Helliwell with son George, they were in Bradfield in >> 1841 , George was born bradfield and would be about 10 in 1851. >> Could anyone help me to find them please? >> Thank you , >> Liz

Hi there,could sks help me to trace an ancestor of mine,one William FROST I have him on the 1861 census as being aged 18,unmarried,the son-in-law of Robert Worfinden,who he lives with in Lord Street,Dyers Hill. His brother Joseph aged 14,is at the same address,also unmarried,and the son -in -law of Robert Worfinder. Could someone tell me if Robert and Joseph FROST appear on the 1851 Sheffield census and if they are living with their family,and where. Help would be very much appreciated, Dave in Inskip. --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger - want a free & easy way to contact your friends online?

> -----Original Message----- > From: Liz McAsey [mailto:eamcasey@ntlworld.com] > Sent: 15 May 2005 08:00 > To: 'ENG-' > Subject: 1851 census help please > > Dear List, > I have two families a Benajamin and Mary Swift in Sheffield in 1861 who I > would like to find in 1851 they had a daughter sarah about 17 in 1861 who > would be about 7 in 1851, also Isaac and Hannah Helliwell with son George > , they were in Bradfield in 1841 , george was born bradfield and would be > about 10 in 1851. > Could anyone help me to find them please? > Thank you , > Liz

George Guest was born in 1836 in Rotherham, but is found on the 1861 Census aged 25 a Coachman with his wife Sarah aged 19 and her sister Hannah aged 20. George and Sarah had married on August 2 1860 at Wicker Parish Church Sheffield and a daughter was born named Emma in 1862. I suspect that he died in 1865 Sept quarter. He does not appear on the 1871 census. Would anyone with access to the NBI kindly see if they can identify him. Regards, Stuart

Thanks for the quick response to my query. Although there are lots of Stead families, the family of Thomas had an ' E ' on the end of the name. The family that Dick sent to me appears to be the right one in 71, according to the names of his children, and I have found some of them in Buxton, visiting another sister in 81, but Thomas was not there and I haven't been able to locate him, whether or not, I put an 'E ' on the end of his name. Carol

Hi List, I have unsuccessfully been trying to find Thomas Steade [ builder of houses in Nether Edge] born in 1821 and presumably Sheffield. I have searched anywhere and everywhere, but cannot find him on the 81 census. I have found some of his family in Derbyshire but he is not with them. He died in 1889 so should be around somewhere. Any help appreciated. Carol, Sheffield

Hello Julie, Welcome to the Sheffield List. I've just had a look on the 1891 Census (Ancestry) for you and cannot find a William WHEATER born in Sheffield in 1887, however there are four William WHEATERs which could be possible, see below, William WHEATER, b: c1887 - Selby, Yorks Civil Parish: Hunslet, Yorks William Herbert WHEATER, b: c1886 - Stow in Lindsey, Gloucestershire Civil Parish: Sedburgh, Yorks William J. WHEATER, b: c1887 - Barlow, Yorks Civil Parish: Barlow, Yorks If you would like the images for any of these let me know. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "julie" <julie@julieg.f9.co.uk> To: <eng-sheffield-d-request@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: WILLIAM WHEATER > I'm trying to find out about William Wheater, born 1887 in Sheffield. That's > as much as I know.

Hi Jeremy, I think it's fascinating that you can still see traces of where roads and lanes used to be, even in the depths of cities like Sheffield. Of course in some places they've so radically changed the street layout that it's difficult to get your bearings, but there are a lot of clues to where our ancestors lived and worked. Unfortunately, I'm old enough to remember some of the older streets! Perhaps the fact that I lived away from Sheffield for so many years, has left those memories intact. I find that I try to drive along streets that used to link up, but don't go where I expect them to go, these days! Or they're one way streets now! :-) Cheers Richard Jeremy Crawshaw wrote: > Hi Richard, > > You're right. I have just looked at my old Pawson & Brailsford 1900 Map and > it does show it on that as well. I didn't bother looking at any of my maps > of this period because Marion mentioned the 1840s so my 1849 map was the > obvious choice. The road had been shortened considerably though in the 51 > years between 1849 and 1900. >

Stuart If you just put the piece # and the page as 45 in the search on Ancestry it actually brings your family up transcribed as GUCK..?? at 5 Milton St . George GUEST aged 25 Coachman Sarah GUEST aged 19 Hannah PEAT wifes sister aged 20 dressmaker Kind Regards Angela (LEE) Eckington U.K.

My thanks to Elaine, Jeremy and Richard for their help in locating Starwberry Lane. It is much appreciated. Marian E Smith

Stuart, I have found a George GUEST living with his wife Sarah in the Park District of Sheffield in 1861. This George has the occupation of Carter, is aged 25 (and Sarah is aged 23), George was born in Durham though so this (and the fact that Sarah is too old) will probably not be them. This couple do not have any children with them either. I have saved the image should you want it. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 2nd May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stugue@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 13, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: [SHEFF] George Guest 1861 Piece # of 3472 45B >I wonder could some kind soul give me the details from the above film of > census of 1861. I am unable to find the details from Ancestry.Com > George Guest married Sarah Peat on 2 August 1860 at The Wicker Church > Sheffield. George was born in 1836 at Rotherham and Sarah was born 1842 at > Chesterfield Derbyshire. In 1861 he was a Coachman. He died between 1861 > and 1871. > They had a daughter Emma born in 1862. > Thank you, > Stuart.