Hi Jeremy, whilst researching my Sheffield BINNS family I came across this article in the Times Newspaper. Sadly, I have not managed to make a connection to this branch of the family but I have collected some information about them if anyone else is connected. Apologies for the size of the article. best regards Kathy Wirral The Times, Thurs 12 Oct 1882 SINGULAR MARRIAGE A marriage of a very extraordinary character took place yesterday at Sheffield between a local solicitor, Mr. E. Knowles Binns, a member of the Sheffield Town Council and Sheffield Board of Guardians, and Mrs. Ada Caroline Milne, widow of Tunbridge-wells. Two months ago Mrs. Milne, who possesses a fortune of £18,000, advertised in the Matrimonial News her wish to again get married. The advertisement fell into the hands of Mr. Binns, who entered into correspondence with the lady. An appointment was made, and Mr. Binns met the lady at Tunbridge-wells. The interview was interrupted by the appearance of Mr. F. Liebert of Tunbridge-wells, the brother of the lady, who, believing that his sister was not responsible for her actions, as she had already been confined in an asylum, took energetic measures to defeat the intentions of Mr. Binns. At his hands Mr. Binns received summary chastisement. He was thrashed, and kicked out of the house, and the thrashing was repeated at the railway station. Mr. Binns, returning to Sheffield, wrote to the lady for "some explanation why your brother should have thought fit to insult me in the way he did," and received a stern reply from the brother himself, who opened the letter. Mr. Binns, however persevered in his intentions. Early this month the lady, who had taken up her residence at a convent at Folkestone, suddenly left and went to Sheffield, staying at the Victoria Station Hotel under the name of Mrs. Scott, of New York. The lady being a Roman Catholic, Mr. Binns proposed to be married first at St. Mary's, Norfolk-row, and afterwards at the parish church. Canon Walshaw, of St. Mary's, however, who had been in communication with the lady's relatives, declined to act, and a "dispensation" from the Roman Catholic Bishop of Leeds, which had been obtained was withdrawn. Last Saturday Mr. Binns waited upon Canon Blakeney, vicar of Sheffield, and yesterday morning he again called at am early hour to obtain the promised licence. The vicar, who was unaware until Thursday evening of the peculiar circumstance of the case, urged Mr. Binns to make a settlement on the lady. He said he would not be coerced by anyone, and that in consequence of the rough treatment he had received from the brother nothing should induce him to make a settlement, The question of the lady's sanity was mentioned, whereupon Mr. Binns produced three medical certificates all pronouncing her sane, and as he was prepared to make the declaration necessary to be made before a licence could be obtained, the vicar had no option but to grant the licence. Mr. Liebert, hearing of his sister's contemplated marriage, came to Sheffield on Monday, taking up his quarters at the Victoria Station Hotel, and it is a curious circumstance that he occupied the bedroom immediately adjoining that of his sister without having any knowledge of her proximity. On Tuesday he was aware that an attempt would be made to have the marriage ceremony performed the next day, and he took steps to prevent it, A carriage and pair were in waiting at the church gates at 9 o'clock, and a number of men were employed for the purpose of forcibly preventing Mrs. Milne from proceeding with the marriage, the intention being to put her into the carriage and drive her away until such time as an injunction could be obtained restraining the marriage on the grounds of the lady not being in a fit and sound state of mind. Mr. Binns, however had taken effective steps to prevent a breach of the peace, there being nearly a score of constables present. On the lady alighting from the carriage which conveyed her to the church, her brother stepped forward and seized her by the arm, and asked her to go with him, but she refused. The police held Mr. Liebert back, and the lady then entered the church, chased by her brother as soon as he got free from the constable. Mr Binns, entered the church soon after, and the wedding ceremony proceeded quietly until the words "If any man can show any just cause why they may not lawfully be joined together, let him now speak or else hereafter for ever hold his peace," Mr. Liebert then stepped forward and made a whispered statement, the purport of which was that the lady was of unsound mind, and that is time were granted he could prove the truth of his assertion. Canon Blakeney replied that Mr. Binns possessed medical certificates from three leading Sheffield practitioners, and that he was bound to proceed with the marriage unless "just cause" could be shown against it. Mr. Liebert repeated his remonstrances again and again, but in vain, and the ceremony was proceeded with. Mr. Liebert was very much affected, and leant his head on one of the pews weeping bitterly. The affair has created a great sensation in Sheffield, where Mr. Binns, owing to his public position and his standing as a solicitor, is very well known.

Hi members, Following the suggestion of Jeremy, I'm posting my surname interest & keeping my fingers cross that someone might be related.............:-) CAPEWELL - Borrowash Derbyshire DIXON - Lincolnshire NEEDHAM - Sheffield, Biggin Derbyshire PEARSON - Pikehall Derbyshire TODD - Sheffield, Lincolnshire TURNER - Village of Wales Yorkshire Have a nice day Danielle Montreal (Qc) Canada Manager of the Sheffield Genealogy Chat Group @ MSN *************************** Online Sheffield message forum & 1841 census index: http://www.sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/1841census/

My DAD George William Crook later to be called WILSON? Born Pancreas 1898 Mum Born Worksop Notts 1917 her Grandparents were Charles OTTER (my HUGE brick wall) & Agnes Bate,s OF SHEFFIELD Dad did not tell us much about his war or of the ESSEX Regiment 1914-18 GALLIPOLI EGYPT THE COST OF this campaign, was to lasted over eight months there were over half million allied and turkish casualties. Only once, he did tell us how brave he thought the Turks were, and how one of the poor Turk soldiers was buried up to his neck in sand, Dad said "they found him like this" dead, he told how they used to shake hands with him every day UNTIL one day his hand came off and then they buried him. He told of eating sand with every thing as it got into his food ,and how he learned to sleep sitting up (which i can vouch for) he always slept with his head on his arms army fashion. He was a kind and generous man, very laid back and no temper what so ever, I was never told off or smacked. Every summer he would put up a tent in the garden and sleep in that every afternoon, he cleaned all our saucepans and cooking things in the garden with sand ARMY FASHION hahah, poor Mum, she used to just smile and start whistling, which she did all the time? Dad use to take me every where with him, when I was small on his shoulders on his bike, when I got older on a saddle on the back, we used to go miles, as we got bigger Mum and Dad would get both bikes out, we would go out into the Kent country side, me on Mums bike David on dads, we had wonderful picnics with an old kettle on a wood fire curtesy of Dad and jam sandwiches home made fruit cake curtesy of mum. One day I remember very well, sometimes with a smile but, mostly with embarrassment. we stopped at this farm house, you know the kind of scene in those days Oast house chickens all around the back door, WELL Dad knocked and said to the farmers wife I wonder if you would mind boiling my children a couple of eggs, they are Hungary and the picnics all gone and as you know with the rationing we don't get many eggs, she said (BLESS her), you go over there and sit at that little garden table and I will bring them out to you, she brought out TWO eggs each bread and butter home made, and some scones, my poor mothers face was as red as a beet, Dad tried to pay her but she said "no my dear its ok, we understand what its like to be hungary", which sent my mothers face even redder (Dad had a good job as a civil servant in the city we most certainly were NOT starving) Mum made Dad leave some money under a little dish in the kitchen, I can remember her telling him off all the way home, but Dad was like that and embarrassed her many many times, but I don't want to bore you. Margaret Notts Uk

Hi Julie, Welcome to the list. I am not sure what you already have but after a quick look at the material I have I can see the Pring family on the 1891 census index. Do you have that material??? I can send it later if you want it. You need to obtain the marriage certificate of the Pring - Morton marriage to allow you to follow the name Morton back which is a very common Sheffield name so you might have a little problem searching for her. FreeBMD's is an ideal way to start. From the 1891 census index. Hough Walter head M 49 furnaceman NTT Clipstone 36 Netherthorpe Street 21 73 3819 Hough Emma wife M 52 NTT Mansfield? 36 Netherthorpe Street 21 73 3819 From the 1861 census. HOUGH Walter 17 NTT Clipstone 3481 18 (is this your chap?) HOUGH Thomas 50 NTT Edwinstowe 3481 18 HOUGH Soloman 11 NTT Clipstone 3481 18 HOUGH Maria 3 YKS Sheffield 3481 18 HOUGH Emma 14 NTT Clipstone 3481 18 HOUGH Mary 43 NTT Mansfield 3481 18 Hope that this helps. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005

what line of the STANIFORTH family are you looking for. tony __________________________________________________________________ Switch to Netscape Internet Service. As low as $9.95 a month -- Sign up today at http://isp.netscape.com/register Netscape. Just the Net You Need. New! Netscape Toolbar for Internet Explorer Search from anywhere on the Web and block those annoying pop-ups. Download now at http://channels.netscape.com/ns/search/install.jsp

Just following up on Jeremy's suggestion of posting names again. APPLEYARD - Sheffield BARLOW - Sheffield & Waddington. Lincoln BOLSOVER - Sheffield, Eckington BRAITHWAITE - Darlington BRAMMER - Sheffield BROADHEAD - Sheffield BUXTON - Sheffield CUNEO - Sheffield CUPITT - Sheffield, Lincolnshire EVANS - Sheffield, Derbyshire KINDER - Derbyshire KIRK - Sheffield OTLEY - Sheffield PADLEY - Sheffield PALMER - Sheffield PROCTOR - Sheffield RUTHERFORD - Sheffield SELLARS - Sheffield, Lincolnshire STANIFORTH - Sheffield STAPLES - Sheffield, Lincolnshire TRISTRAM - Sheffield Thanks Lisa Sheffield __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Mobile Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/learn/mail

hello DeAnne, As well as the excellent webpages that Jeremy pointed you too you can look at the official pages about the Archives on the Sheffield City Council site: http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/in-your-area/libraries/find/archives/sheffield-archives This includes a downloadable form to apply for a readers' ticket - if you fill it in and take it with you it will save you a few minutes on your first visit. You need to note that, of the three days you will be in Sheffield, the Archives will be open only on the Saturday. I think it's essential that you book a fiche reader (you can ring or email them) as the baptism/ marriage records you want to look at are on fiche. Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "krosen" <krosen@mail.ku.edu> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Sheffield Archieves and Porter Street > I will be spending 3 days in Sheffield starting July 1. Could any one tell me > where the Archieves are located there? I am looking for baptism records of > Ann Moore and wedding records of George Moore and Elizabeth Parker (1820's and > Church of England) and am not sure where I should go. I'm also wondering if > anyone knows the location of a Porter Street in Sheffield. I have never been > to Sheffield before and would appreciate any help. > > Thanks, > DeAnne Rosen in Lawrence, Kansas

Hi List, Thanks to Judy Elkington, Frank Turner and Sue for their contributions so far, has anyone else any interesting Sheffield related stories or family history tales to tell whilst we're in a lull? Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ----------------------------------------------------

Hello DeAnne, If you click on the link below it will take you to a page on the list website that tells you all about Sheffield Archives and the documents that they hold there. It also gives the address, telephone number and a useful map showing exactly where it is located in the city centre. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/%7Eengsheffield/webpages/archives.htm Unfortunately I have some bad news for you if you're hoping to find Porter Street when you come to Sheffield as it no longer exists. It originally ran from the bottom of Union Street / Moorhead and ended at the junction of Hereford Street running almost parallel to The Moor. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "krosen" <krosen@mail.ku.edu> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:05 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Sheffield Archieves and Porter Street >I will be spending 3 days in Sheffield starting July 1. Could any one tell >me > where the Archieves are located there? I am looking for baptism records > of > Ann Moore and wedding records of George Moore and Elizabeth Parker (1820's > and > Church of England) and am not sure where I should go. I'm also wondering > if > anyone knows the location of a Porter Street in Sheffield. I have never > been > to Sheffield before and would appreciate any help. > > Thanks, > DeAnne Rosen in Lawrence, Kansas

Hello Lisa Cottage Homes were introduced in a number of Unions from the late 1870s and provided an alternative to workhouse accommodation for children. Usually built in rural locations, the homes were based on the idea of a "village" of small houses each accommodating "families" of between twelve and thirty children. As well as houses and a school, cottage home sites included workshops, an infirmary, chapel, and even a swimming pool. Kind Regards Angela (LEE) Eckington U.K.

I was just a wee 4 year old on blitz night . My Mum had taken me to the Forum picture house in Herries Road to see " Woman in the window" starring a rather sinister James Mason. Half way through the film it was stopped because of the air raid and we were asked to file quietly out and go to our alloted air raid shelter. About 1000 people quietly left the cinema. Can you imagine that today ? We walked down the centre of Herries Road in total darkness to our communal shelter at the corner of Parkwood Road. From there we could see across the Parkwood Springs fields to where the city centre was ablaze. We spent the night in the shelter and I remember the grownups singing songs all night to keep our collective spirits up. In my innocence at the time I had no fear until we got back home the next morning to find our front door had been blasted off its hinges and lay halfway up the stairs. One tiny piece of glass from the door was broken and for some reason that sparked off my tears. Funny what you remember as a child isnt it ? Cheers Frank from Bonnie Scotland -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 20/05/2005

I have just finished scanning and transcribing Reminiscences of Rotherham, (Published in 1927 ) by Alderman Geo. Gummer, J.P. It contains names of some Rotherham families of the time. There is a Search on site http://www.rotherhamweb.co.uk/h/gummer/index.htm Sue ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeremy Crawshaw To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:15 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Family/Local History Stories & Surname Interests etc. Hello List, It's all a bit quiet at the moment on the list so has anyone any interesting family or local history related stories that they could share with others or any recent successes in their research to share that may be of interest?.............also, how about any interesting articles you might have that may be of use to others?

Hello List, It's all a bit quiet at the moment on the list so has anyone any interesting family or local history related stories that they could share with others or any recent successes in their research to share that may be of interest?.............also, how about any interesting articles you might have that may be of use to others? How about posting your research names again just to see if anyone can make a connection? Here's a short article taken from a booklet I have called "Where t'watter runs o'er weir" (A look back at Sheffield's Watermills) by the late Roy Davey. This article gives a good insight into the conditions that the Sheffield Grinders worked in, hope that someone finds it useful. ONLY THE GOOD DIE YOUNG? The grinding fraternity, on the whole, were a jovial devil may care lot, working hard and playing hard, with scant thought of the morrow, yet in retrospect one wonders how this frame of mind could be maintained in an occupation so fraught with the hazards to life and limb as was the grinding trade. Working in the cold wet conditions which were common to all the Grinding Hulls, by itself must have had the effect of lowering the resistance of the hardiest of men, making them subject to rheumatism and pneumonia and bronchitis, etc. Then there was the ever present danger from bursting stones, which could easily kill or maim the unfortunate grinder who happened to be sitting over it at the time. Also the primitive equipment used in the manipulation of the heavy stones in such confined spaces contributed to the possibility of accidents. But easily outweighing all these delitescent menaces by far in the lifestyle of the grinder was the insidious "Grinders Complaint." For many years it had been noticed that the grinders were subject to an ailment that affected their breathing, an ailment which was often referred to as "Grinder's Asthmas" and about which little was understood, and about which little was done. Perhaps in the early years, the effect was not so pronounced, for the reason that grinding in most cases was only part of the work undertaken by the operator, be he scythe maker or cutler, and hence the worker was not bent over the Wheel all day and every day, inhaling the deadly dust, as became the case later, when trade had developed and the divisions of labour became more general. When manufacturing became organised on the lines of factory working, and the various processes were broken up and undertaken by a specialist in one operation, then the grinder was condemned to spend all his working day at the wheel and as a consequence, he was exposed to the dangerous dust for longer periods. It is true that some of the grinding operations were less dangerous than others. In the ones where the wheel was running in water in order to keep the work piece from becoming overheated by the removal of excess metal, the water helped to keep the dust down. Even the wheels that were worked wet, were not completely free from menace, the natural consistency of the sandstone is not always uniform throughout the body of the stone disc, and in the course of its use it was often found that the wheel had worn out of true, a condition which not only made it difficult to work upon but also made it hazardous with the increased possibility that the wheel could jump from it's bearing with a devastating effect. To guard against this possibility, the grinder would find it necessary to periodically "Dress" the wheel in order to restore it to the condition in which it would run true and safely. This truing up of the stone wheel was achieved by a sort of adze, called a "pecker," which was used to chip or hack away the sandstone, and it was also used when required to roughen the face of the stone after it had worn smooth. This wheel dressing was the cause of much of the stone dust that found its way into the lungs of the poor grinders. This was what caused "Grinder's Asthma." This caused the "Grinder's Complaint," the inhalation of stone and metal dust. It was this that caused what we know of today as "Silicosis" which was responsible for the early death of hundreds of Sheffield grinders, dying at the age when they should have been in the prime of their lives. Early attempts were made to overcome this menace to the health of the grinders, but nothing very effective was done and they continued to die young, and indeed the increase in specialisation brought an increase in the rate of mortality. Mr. G.H. Lloyd in his classic work on "The Cutlery Trade" (London 1913) gives us some very eloquent figures relating to the mortality of the workers in the grinding trade. He states that in 1830 to 1840 four out of five Fork Grinders died between the ages of 20 and 39 years. In 1865 the average age at death of Scissor Grinders was 32 years, Edge Tool Grinders was 32 years and Table Knife Grinders was 35 years. And he went on to say that of 290 Razor Grinders working at that time, only 21 had achieved the age of 50. Dr. J.C. Hall reported that out of 40 grinders who were working in one Wheel in the year 1895, only 10 were still alive in the year 1907. The increasing mortality rate of the grinders was only finally checked by the introduction of efficient dust extraction equipment and then by the development of synthetic stones and mechanical methods of grinding. Those poor victims of our industrial past, dying around the age of thirty to thirty-five, gasping for breath, with their lungs lined with stone dust, possibly contributed as much to the glory of their motherland as did the hundreds of Red Coated Soldiers whose lives were expended on the Battle Fields of The Empire - but they died unsung. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD RESEARCHING Paternal Line CRAWSHAW (Dungworth / Storrs / Hilltop / Stannington / Bradfield / Hillsborough, Sheffield) HORSFIELD (Bradfield / Wadsley / Loxley, Sheffield) IBBOTSON (Bradfield) BARBER (Stannington, Bradfield) DRABBLE (Stannington, Bradfield) BRAMALL (Storrs / Hilltop / Stannington, Bradfield) MORTON (Stannington / Bradfield, Sheffield) SHARP(E) (Dronfield, Dbys / Roscoe Wheel, Rivelin / Stannington, Bradfield) BRADWELL (Bradwell & Hope, Derbyshire / Stannington, Bradfield & Hillsborough, Sheffield) GOODISON (Stannington, Bradfield) OATES (Stannington, Bradfield) JENKINSON (Stannington & Wadsley, Sheffield) MARSHALL (Stannington, Hunshelf, Deepcar) LOY (Stannington, Bradfield) WOOD (Hillsborough / Heeley, Sheffield) THOMAS (Boston, Lincolnshire & Hillsborough, Sheffield) CHAMBERS (Butterwick, Lincolnshire) Maternal Line HARTLEY (Morley/Holbeck, Leeds & Sheffield ) HOLLOWAY (Sheffield) FELL (Sheffield) FELL-HOLLOWAY (Sheffield) SHAW (Addy St, Upperthorpe, Sheffield & Ulley, Aston Parish) DRAKE (St. Philip's Rd, Sheffield) BEHR & BOTCHER (Liban, Russia) ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ----------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 22/05/2005 16:16:06 GMT Standard Time, jeremy.crawshaw@talktalk.net writes: It's all a bit quiet at the moment on the list so has anyone any interesting family or local history related stories that they could share with others or any recent successes in their research to share that may be of interest?............. Hi I have a wartime story which may or may not interest people. Things were pretty dreadful in the centre of Sheffield after what was know as the Sheffield Blitz when much of sheffield city centre was flattened. My Uncle, who was in the Auxiliary Fire Service was trying to get home after a long night with the AFS. As he walked up what was left of High Street he came across a body clad in German Uniform. I am not sure what he did about it but I presume, that as the body could obviously not be returned to Germany, he must have been buried somewhere. Has anyone any idea where or what would have happened to him. One wonders where he came from. but I suppose that as it was a heavy bombing raid, he fell out of a plane. By the way you can see all about the Sheffield Blitz on the Sheffield site with some graphic pictures of the raids and damage. _http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield_ (http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield) Cheers Judy Elkington

Hi everyone, I have just found some from my tree on the 1901 census in some sort of Institute in Upperthorpe, I can't make out what it says on the census return, the address seems to be 149/51 Upperthorpe and it seems to be a boys home "Cottage Homes" can be made out. Does anyone know what it was and if I can get any more info about it from anywhere. Lisa Sheffield __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

I will be spending 3 days in Sheffield starting July 1. Could any one tell me where the Archieves are located there? I am looking for baptism records of Ann Moore and wedding records of George Moore and Elizabeth Parker (1820's and Church of England) and am not sure where I should go. I'm also wondering if anyone knows the location of a Porter Street in Sheffield. I have never been to Sheffield before and would appreciate any help. Thanks, DeAnne Rosen in Lawrence, Kansas

Anyone have NICHOLSON and HATTERSLEY in their tree? I am looking for a Sarah ( possibly NICHOLSON born abt 1780) who married Thomas HATTERSLEY around 1797 in Sheffield. Many thanks Sharon Australia www.users.bigpond.net.au/richardson

Angela I'd also like to know that for on in 1877 for one of mine. The nearest I've got so far is a report in the local paper the day after the inquest took place. Hope this helps. Karen West Yorks -----Original Message----- From: Angela Monaghan [mailto:angela.monaghan@virgin.net] Sent: 21 May 2005 11:33 To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Posting surname interests Hello listers, After an unwanted 12-month gap, I have returned to some family history research and this list, spurred on by a recent visit from a Canadian 3rd cousin, who found me through the SFHS surname interests - hi Linda if you are on the list! Thought I'd start by reposting my Sheffield/Rotherham surname interests: BEATSON, COATES, CURLEY, HEATON, JENKINSON, MARSHALL, MORRISON, PEARSON, PRITCHARD, RODGER, SELLARS Plus a quick query - where might I find a coroners report for an inquest held in 1906? Thanks Angela Brighouse, West Yorkshire ______________________________

Hi Angela. Its unlikely that the coroners reports have survived. The statement below is from A2A on a search of Sheffield archives. Coroners' inquest records have, by law, to be kept for 15 years and may then be destroyed. The inquest records listed below have been selected for preservation on the grounds of historical or medical interest. The records listed start in 1926 Check out the newspapers for the area you are interested in as these give very descriptive reports of unusual deaths. Kind Regards Angela (LEE) Eckington U.K.

I am requesting look ups at Sheffield Archives please. I should be more than happy to cover any expenses, and to make a charity donation as a thank you. Sheffield Archives research department declined to do them for me as they might take more than the half hour they now allot. At St. Peter and St.Paul I am looking for a Richard ELLIOTT, son of Joseph and Adelina ELLIOTT. I have a date, 16 Sept 1832, which might have been his birth or his baptism date. More vague is the 1833 Sheffield Park birth or baptism of John BARKER, son of Henry and Jane BARKER. This could have been recorded at St Peter and St Paul, but the family had some non-conformist links, so could have been at the Weslyan Methodist Chapel in the Park area. I should really appreciate someone helping me with either of these birth/baptisms, as I just cannot get to the Archives myself at the moment. Regards Margaret Switzerland