A cracking story. I note from the Local Register that both EK Binns and Mrs Ada C Binns stood for election to the School Board in November 1882. They failed to get elected, coming 24th and 26th respectively out of 27 candidates (the top 15 being elected). She was one of only two women standing. She was clearly sane enough to be allowed to stand ! EK Binns stood for election to the council in November 1884, and failed again. Ada had died by 1891: (Sheffield South) Binns Edmund Knowles boarder Widr 44 solicitor YKS Sheffield 46 Howard St 1 12 3822 This is a boarding house. Hugh in Sheffield

Oh brilliant! What a gem to have in one's family. BUT...please let us know what happened next? Cheers Lise in Brittany ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kathybinns@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Family/Local History Stories & Surname Interests etc. > Hi Jeremy, > whilst researching my Sheffield BINNS family I came across this article in > the Times Newspaper. Sadly, I have not managed to make a connection to > this > branch of the family but I have collected some information about them if > anyone > else is connected. Apologies for the size of the article. > best regards > Kathy > Wirral > > The Times, Thurs 12 Oct 1882 > > SINGULAR MARRIAGE > > A marriage of a very extraordinary character took place yesterday at > Sheffield between a local solicitor, Mr. E. Knowles Binns, a member of the > Sheffield Town Council and Sheffield Board of Guardians, and Mrs. Ada > Caroline > Milne, widow of Tunbridge-wells. Two months ago Mrs. Milne, who possesses > a > fortune of £18,000, advertised in the Matrimonial News her wish to again > get > married. The advertisement fell into the hands of Mr. Binns, who entered > into > correspondence with the lady. An appointment was made, and Mr. Binns met > the lady > at Tunbridge-wells. The interview was interrupted by the appearance of Mr. > F. > Liebert of Tunbridge-wells, the brother of the lady, who, believing that > his > sister was not responsible for her actions, as she had already been > confined > in an asylum, took energetic measures to defeat the intentions of Mr. > Binns. > At his hands Mr. Binns received summary chastisement. He was thrashed, > and > kicked out of the house, and the thrashing was repeated at the railway > station. > Mr. Binns, returning to Sheffield, wrote to the lady for "some > explanation > why your brother should have thought fit to insult me in the way he did," > and > received a stern reply from the brother himself, who opened the letter. > Mr. > Binns, however persevered in his intentions. Early this month the lady, > who > had taken up her residence at a convent at Folkestone, suddenly left and > went > to Sheffield, staying at the Victoria Station Hotel under the name of > Mrs. > Scott, of New York. The lady being a Roman Catholic, Mr. Binns proposed > to be > married first at St. Mary's, Norfolk-row, and afterwards at the parish > church. > Canon Walshaw, of St. Mary's, however, who had been in communication with > the > lady's relatives, declined to act, and a "dispensation" from the Roman > Catholic Bishop of Leeds, which had been obtained was withdrawn. Last > Saturday Mr. > Binns waited upon Canon Blakeney, vicar of Sheffield, and yesterday > morning > he again called at am early hour to obtain the promised licence. The > vicar, > who was unaware until Thursday evening of the peculiar circumstance of > the > case, urged Mr. Binns to make a settlement on the lady. He said he would > not be > coerced by anyone, and that in consequence of the rough treatment he had > received from the brother nothing should induce him to make a settlement, > The > question of the lady's sanity was mentioned, whereupon Mr. Binns produced > three > medical certificates all pronouncing her sane, and as he was prepared to > make > the declaration necessary to be made before a licence could be obtained, > the > vicar had no option but to grant the licence. Mr. Liebert, hearing of his > sister's contemplated marriage, came to Sheffield on Monday, taking up > his > quarters at the Victoria Station Hotel, and it is a curious circumstance > that he > occupied the bedroom immediately adjoining that of his sister without > having > any knowledge of her proximity. On Tuesday he was aware that an attempt > would > be made to have the marriage ceremony performed the next day, and he took > steps to prevent it, A carriage and pair were in waiting at the church > gates at > 9 o'clock, and a number of men were employed for the purpose of forcibly > preventing Mrs. Milne from proceeding with the marriage, the intention > being to > put her into the carriage and drive her away until such time as an > injunction > could be obtained restraining the marriage on the grounds of the lady not > being in a fit and sound state of mind. Mr. Binns, however had taken > effective > steps to prevent a breach of the peace, there being nearly a score of > constables present. On the lady alighting from the carriage which > conveyed her to > the church, her brother stepped forward and seized her by the arm, and > asked > her to go with him, but she refused. The police held Mr. Liebert back, > and the > lady then entered the church, chased by her brother as soon as he got > free > from the constable. Mr Binns, entered the church soon after, and the > wedding > ceremony proceeded quietly until the words "If any man can show any just > cause > why they may not lawfully be joined together, let him now speak or else > hereafter for ever hold his peace," Mr. Liebert then stepped forward and > made a > whispered statement, the purport of which was that the lady was of > unsound > mind, and that is time were granted he could prove the truth of his > assertion. > Canon Blakeney replied that Mr. Binns possessed medical certificates from > three > leading Sheffield practitioners, and that he was bound to proceed with > the > marriage unless "just cause" could be shown against it. Mr. Liebert > repeated > his remonstrances again and again, but in vain, and the ceremony was > proceeded > with. Mr. Liebert was very much affected, and leant his head on one of > the > pews weeping bitterly. The affair has created a great sensation in > Sheffield, > where Mr. Binns, owing to his public position and his standing as a > solicitor, is very well known. > > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Personal details of living or probable living persons are not to be posted > onlist. If such details are requested then please use common sense before > responsding offlist with a personal email. > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Hi Lisa, As you say the entry at St Philips is...... APPLEYARD James 14 Mar 1889 Wisewood 78 which doesn't give us the plot number...... However if he was buried at Wardsend Cemetery and had a stone I maybe able to find it. This is to be our (Sheffield Indexers) next project and will be on line... I will get back to you. Regards. Elaine. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005

Sheffield and district names: Rebekah FRANCE b. abt. 1760 buried 28 Oct 1795 at All Saints, Ecclesall William OXLEY b. abt 1733 m. Sarah DUTTON 4 Feb 1758 Mary ROBINSON b. abt. 1820 Sheffield m. Edward SNAPE...just before registration! Abraham REVILL b. abt. . 1700 m. Grace EVANS - son Abraham b. Totley 1732 Martha DOWNING b. abt. 1735 Sheffield m Abraham Jr. as above. Samuel SENIOR father of John SENYOR bpt. 13 Mar 1744 John SENYOR m. Hannah FRITH 3 May 1790 St Peter's Sheffield - no details of Hannah Hanna SHEPHERD b.1693 Attercliffe Loads of others all on Rootsweb WorldConnect. Cheers Liz (nee Y O U L E) www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery Penzance, Cornwall

Thanks Margaret, It sounds like your dad was quite a character, I bet your mum always dreaded what he'd come up with next. Thanks for posting it. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <DayMargaretstan@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: [SHEFF] ONE of "my "many family stories > One day I remember very well, sometimes with a smile but, mostly with > embarrassment. we stopped at this farm house, you know the kind of scene > in those > days Oast house chickens all around the back door, WELL Dad knocked and > said > to the farmers wife I wonder if you would mind boiling my children a > couple > of eggs, they are Hungary and the picnics all gone and as you know with > the > rationing we don't get many eggs, she said (BLESS her), you go over there > and > sit at that little garden table and I will bring them out to you, she > brought > out TWO eggs each bread and butter home made, and some scones, my poor > mothers face was as red as a beet, Dad tried to pay her but she said "no > my dear > its ok, we understand what its like to be hungary", which sent my mothers > face > even redder (Dad had a good job as a civil servant in the city we most > certainly were NOT starving) > Mum made Dad leave some money under a little dish in the kitchen, I can > remember her telling him off all the way home, but Dad was like that and > embarrassed her many many times, but I don't want to bore you. > Margaret Notts Uk

Kathy, Got to agree with Elaine & Ann, what a cracking read. It's just a pity we'll never know how the marriage turned out. Best Wishes Jeremy ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <Kathybinns@aol.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 6:23 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Family/Local History Stories & Surname Interests etc. Hi Jeremy, whilst researching my Sheffield BINNS family I came across this article in the Times Newspaper. The Times, Thurs 12 Oct 1882 SINGULAR MARRIAGE Kathy Wirral

Hello Listers Here are my interests: WINFIELD - Ecclesall Bierlow, Sheffield, Laughton en le Morthen MUSCROFT - Ecclesfield ROBERTS - Ecclesall Bierlow, Sheffield BEIGHTON - Ecclesall Bierlow, Sheffield WHITFIELD - Sheffield JENNINGS - Laughton en le Morthen Anne Winfield in Leeds

Hello Kathy What a story! But what happened next? Did they live happily every after or was the marriage a total disaster? Thanks so much for sending it in. Regards - Ann

Hi all Just posting my surname interests once again: PORTMAN - Wortley all dates TEASDALE - Wortley all dates WESTERMAN - Ecclesfield all dates BADGER - Ecclesfield all dates MELLOR - Huddersfield, Ecclesfield all dates WALKER - Intake 1800's GELDER - Barlborough pre 1800's HUTCHINSON - Handsworth all dates BATES - Beighton Derbyshire pre 1800's MARSDEN - Wortley, Ecclesfield BARKER - Rotherham 1820's Always looking for new cousins. All the best. Stevie Smith (nee Portman) Perth Western Australia

In a message dated 23/05/2005 20:25:44 GMT Standard Time, DayMargaretstan@aol.com writes: What a wonderful story I have just found Mr E Binns on the 1891 census at 46 Howard Street a boarder solicitor age 44 a widower wonder what happened ? Hi You have discovered a mysterious death perhaps. Was she killed for her inheritance? Good story, well done. Judy Elkington

Thanks to Peter Green & Deborah Crawford for their reminiscences and for everyone who's reposted their surname interests. It's great having some tales to read whilst the list is quiet, anyone else got any stories or articles to share? Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ----------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 23-May-05 9:05:18 PM GMT Daylight Time, dalum@blueyonder.co.uk writes: note from the Local Register that both EK Binns and Mrs Ada C Binns stood for election to the School Board in November 1882. They failed to get elected, coming 24th and 26th respectively out of 27 candidates (the top 15 being elected). Thanks Hugh, I will save that with my BINNS snippets. Kathy

Hi Magdalena, Thanks for the surname submissions update. I'm just going to visit the site now to see who's left the CRAWSHAW submission, you never know it could be a newly found cousin. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <magdalena@blunham.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 12:34 PM Subject: [SHEFF] YKS Surnames List - 22 May 2005 Update > > Hello everyone! > > Now for the cheerful bit - the list of surnames submitted this past > week: > > BANKS, BEANLAND(s), BLAKEY, BLAND, BOWLING > BYERS > > CLARK, CRAWSHAW

Are these available in Sheffield from 1910 to present day? If so where is the best place to look at these? The archives or at the library? Thanks Mel (Wirral) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 22/05/2005

In a message dated 23-May-05 8:25:44 PM GMT Daylight Time, DayMargaretstan@aol.com writes: I have just found Mr E Binns on the 1891 census at 46 Howard Street a boarder solicitor age 44 a widower wonder what happened Nice to know so many of you appreciated the story. Further searches of the Times index turned up some cases Edmund was involved in and I think one of them mentioned some critisism of Edmund. He died in Nottingham in 1901. best regards Kathy Wirral

Dear List and Kathy What a wonderful story I have just found Mr E Binns on the 1891 census at 46 Howard Street a boarder solicitor age 44 a widower wonder what happened ? Margaret Notts UK

Hi Everyone, as its a bit quiet I thought I take the opportunity to ask if anyone has the burial index for St Philips, I have a James APPLEYARD buried in MArch 1889, I would like to know the plot number if possible and if anyone knows if the graves have been transcribed by anyone that would be a great help. Thanks Lisa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Hi there Never posted here before - So Hi Everyone! Most of my family come from a tiny part of Suffolk, but one branch seems to have wandered in from Sheffield My Surname interests around Sheffield are Hough Pring Morton My dead ends in these lines are: 1. Walter Hough b c1843 at Cliffstone, Nottinghamshire. a. Moved to 140 Allen Street, Sheffield (pre 1871 Census) I know nothing of him or his family before this. b. He married someone called Emma (I know nothing else of here) 2. Frederick Samuel Pring b Birmingham 1817 a. moved to 62 Farfield Road, Sheffield between 1871 and 1881 (census) b. he owned a mineral bottle factory according to family folklore c. believed to have been a freemason (is it possible to find out more about this) d. Married Hannah Morton 3. Hannah Morton a. Known as Hannah Pring when moved to Sheffield between 1871 and 1881 b. Said to have owned a cooked meats shop in Rudyard Road, Sheffield. c. lived at 62 Farfield Road, Sheffield until 1901-05 Any help that can help me get over these dead ends would be appreciated. I am writing a family history rather than a family tree and I live in Leicester - so any local history that seems relevant would be great. Thanks Julie

Hello everyone! Here is the latest list of defaulters whose submissions have all been deleted. If your name is on the "List of Shame", I am afraid that you will have to resubmit your surnames. Remember everyone, you and only you, is responsible for updating your email addresses. There is no form for this, you have to email me and send me both your old and your new address. Angela Ward (6) user614401@aol.com Angie Marshall (9) elmwood@skynow.net Cheryl Lovejoy (3) cl1971@aol.com Graham Diane and Craig (1) gsanders@breathe.co.uk Joan Dickerson (1) dickerson@iname.com John Hammerton (5) hammerton@tinyworld.co.uk Philip Schorah (1) pschorah@lineone.net Rachel Harper (2) Joseph@Harper79.fsnet.co.uk Robert Brookes (1) rb@mipexresearch.compulink.co.uk Sarah Getliff (2) britfrog@juno.com Stuart Broadley (7) stuart@sbroadley.fsnet.co.uk Susan Jones (4) Sassybrit1@webtv.net Now for the cheerful bit - the list of surnames submitted this past week: BANKS, BEANLAND(s), BLAKEY, BLAND, BOWLING BYERS CLARK, CRAWSHAW DAVAGE, DAWSON ECCLES, EVERS/EVORS GARDAM HARE, HEATON, HIRD IBBOTSON KETTLEWELL LISTER, LONG, LUMLEY MOORHOUSE, MOUNTAIN NEWSOME, NORFOLK PEACOCK, PEDLEY RAMSDEN, ROBSON, RODLEY, ROE(2), ROSE ROWLAND SAGAR, SCUPHAM, SPECK, STACEY, ST(R)OTHERS THOMAS, THORNTON, TOWN, TYSON UNDERWOOD VICKERS(2) WALKER, WILKINSON(2), WORTLEY Best wishes to all, Magdalena -- For all communications, please use: YKSsurnames@yahoo.com THE SURNAMES INDEX CAN BE FOUND AT THE YKS SURNAMES LIST HOME PAGE. PLEASE GO TO: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/yks.htm

Kathy, Great Story....... Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 5/22/2005