Hi everyone, I am seeking some advice on the Cutlers "List of Apprentices and Freemen". I have found a line which reads "Bolsover William, son of John, Mosbro'; to Styring Charles, knife maker; 7-11, 1806" I think this is my 4th great grandfather William BOLSOVER who was born in Mosbro' I have him as a Cutler on the 1851 census. I am reading that his father was John and that he was an apprentice to Charles STYRING, does anyone know what the 7-11 stands for, and does the 1806 mean that he started his apprenticeship then. Hope someone can help, Lisa __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new Resources site http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/resources/

On Tue, 24 May 2005 12:10:36 +0100, Hugh in Walkley wrote: >...call their son > >William Toes TINGLE > >It may look like a nickname, but it is inscribed on his gravestone in >Walkley Cemetery, and appears in the GRO death index (MAR Qtr 1889) > Perhaps the mother's maiden name (or other relation/family friend) was TOSE - an unusual but not unheard of surname in the North Riding - and the registrar and stonemason, being unfamiliar with that name, spelt it the way they heard it. Perhaps you could find his parents' marriage? Regards Steve

Hi All I have just popped back on the list with a very specific request. I'm helping an American trace his daughter - who he believes is now in Sheffield with his ex-wife. If any of you feel that you can help with local record searches I will pass you the details I have. The missing girl's name is Amber Victoria Czarnik aged 13 and may be living with a Hall family in the Gleadless area. I'm accepting this in good faith but am cautious about motivations etc - so am only prepared to move carefully on this search. Let me know if you are interested in helping and I will mail the details individually. Eric Eric Youle - Mooloolaba, QLD Pnone - +61 7 5452 5087 Mobile- +61 0413 186 215 Skpe - youlesuceed

...call their son William Toes TINGLE It may look like a nickname, but it is inscribed on his gravestone in Walkley Cemetery, and appears in the GRO death index (MAR Qtr 1889) Hugh in Walkley

Some people may remember the report of a Prize Fight in the Rivelin Valley that I posted a while ago. I have recently looked through the Local Register (a digest of local news stories) to see what references there might be to prize fighting - this is the result, including an earlier fatal fight in the Rivelin I am going to follow up. Prize fighting in the Local Register 24 Apr 1833 Edward BOWER killed in a prize fight at Shire Green; Charles JACKSON as principal, and Henry JACKSON, Joseph LAMBERT, Joseph MAPPIN, and Wm HINDES, committed to York on a charge of manslaughter. 17 July 1833 The men committed to York, charged with the manslaughter of Edward BOWER, in a prize fight, tried and found guilty.; Charles and Henry JACKSON, Joseph LAMBERT and Joseph MAPPIN, 3 months imprisonment; HINDE, having been taken only a day or two before the trial, 6 months' imprisonment. 7 June 1860 SAYERS and HEENAN, the great prize fighters, exhibit themselves at the Circus, Duke street. 20 May 1861 Thomas THORPE killed in a prize fight at Hollins Bush near Sheffield by Thomas HOLLAND. HOLLAND committed for manslaughter 9 Jan 1864 Five men who had taken part in a prizefight, convicted at the Sessions of assault. A case was granted, and the defendants enlarged on bail. 23 Oct 1864 A prize fight in the Old Park wood, between Thomas DAWES and John HORNER, results in the death of DAWES. HORNER committed for manslaughter. STENTON, the referee, afterwards apprehended and committed. 2 Dec 1864 The principals and seconds in a prize fight at Thorpe Salvin bound over in their own recognizances of £20 to keep the peace for twelve months. 4 Jul 1867 John and Joseph YOUNG, of Sheffield, bound over to keep the peace by the magistrates at Chapel-en-le-Frith, for taking part in a prize fight, near the Snake Inn., on the 28th May. 9 Sep 1874 Prize Fight discussed at Sheffield Council meeting. 1 Apr 1879 Prize fight at Rivelin: the combatants subsequently bound over to keep the peace. [the fight reported in my earlier message] 9 March 1882 John FLINT "a well-known prize fighter," charged with murdering George COLES, bricklayer, at Chesterfield, on February 28th; sentenced, May 2nd , to eight years' penal servitude. 7 Jul 1896 Thirteen men summoned before the West riding magistrates for being concerned in a prize fight at Wincobank. Hugh in Sheffield

Hi List I'm looking for any links to the Williamson family that came to live in Sheffield sometime between 1851 & 1861, they were from Scotland. They were living in the Brook Hill / Broomsping lane & Hanover st area of Sheffield & were travelling Drapers. Later I believe that some of the family were plumbers, & had a business called Williamson & sons. Regards Gail

It's great reading all your stories ! Keep them coming ! If anyone has any relating to Rotherham, I would love to add them to Rotherham Web http://www.rotherhamweb.co.uk/memories/index.htm Thanks Sue http://www.treetonweb.co.uk http://www.rotherhamweb.co.uk http://www.mytangledweb.co.uk http://www.whistonweb.co.uk http://www.wickersleyweb.co.uk http://www.ulleyweb.co.uk

Where are the web sites for woodhouse and which history society has the info on this place. I would love to hear from anyone connected to sarah redferne and robert Lowe especially any one with a lowe buried in the quaker burial grounds at balby thanks marea --------------------------------- Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies.

Good morning list My paternal grandparents had to leave their house on the night of Dec 12th 1940. They lived on Slate St, Heeley and a direct hit on houses on Olive Grove Road also blew all the slates off their roof, plus the windows collapsing ! They walked across to my parents house at Highfields, where they appeared at the door, faces covered in dirt. The only item they had brought with them was a bedraggled looking canary in its cage. Dad I am then told went across to my Mom's parents house on Gleadless Road, obviously in the pitch dark, through bomb damaged streets to check how they had been affected by the bombing. The cellar of the property I lived in as a child, contained evidence of the war years. Beams were exposed in the ceiling where Dad had erected floor to ceiling props to hold the weight of any debris falling as a result of a bomb strike. At either side of the cellar, entrances through the walls to the houses on either side had been bricked up. These would have provided alternative escape routes. Dad was a member of the local fire watching team. They walked around the area during any alert and also on the evening of the 12th hoping to assist victims of the raid. Remarkable stories, takes some believing !! Roger in Sheffield

I am researching the following families in Rotherham and Sheffield area,would be interested to hear from anyone with any connections VERE - Rotherham & Sheffield c1870s onward Great Carlton & Little Carlton, Lincs ALCOCK - Sheffield c1840s onward DAWES - Rotherham 1850s onward Alfreton,Derbys Regards Dot Shaw

In a message dated 24/05/2005 12:10:34 GMT Standard Time, dalum@blueyonder.co.uk writes: It may look like a nickname, but it is inscribed on his gravestone in Walkley Cemetery, and appears in the GRO death index (MAR Qtr 1889) Possibly he had six toes. [not unheard of Ann Boleyn had six fingers]. Judy

BALLAD SINGING IN THE STREETS ------- To the Editor of the Sheffield Independent SIR.- I would wish through the medium of your inte- resting journal, to call the attention of our town officers to a very common nuisance, regularly practised at the top of Bower spring, two or more evenings in the week. It is that of ballad singing, -- a nuisance which abounds more especially on Saturday night, when the thoughts of shop- keepers are or ought to be otherwise employed, than in being forced to hear lewd songs continually rung in their ears. Trusting this will speedily be put a stop to, I remain, Sir, &c. A SHOPKEEPER Sheffield Dec 5 1833

I mentioned a music book by Walter PHOENIX in my story about his diary. I just pulled out the music book, all hand-written, and wanted to share the face plate with you in case it is of interest to anyone The first B flat flute parts in this book are a fine example of manuscript by Walter Phoenix, which he did about the year 1875. It is a remarkable collection and piece of work. These overtures, selections from the Grand Operas and original compositions were played by the flute and drum bands, consisting of the following instrutmentations: 1st and 2nd B flat flutes Concert flutes, piccolos and drums F flutes The B flat flutes were the old Meyer flute system, 6 keys These bands played in concerts at Botanical Gardens in Manchester, England yearly.There were also flute solo concerts for concert flutes. Walter PHOENIX won 1st awards with one of these solos in the back of this book, but it is not known which one. He played a Pratton System concert flute with covered keys. This book was used in teaching manuscript sight reading at Syracuse University by Arthur S. Phoenix, nephew of Walter Phoenix, from 1938-1942 inclusive, at regular sessions and at summer school. The students were very much interested in the story of the writing. Most of the numbers were arranged by J.M. Forde,who was bandmaster of the Hallamshire Rifles Band of Sheffield, England. (The above information was furnished by Arthur S. Phoenix, nephew of Walter Phoenix.) I don't know if any of this is of interest, but thought I would share it in case it connects to someone out there. Barb Stevens

My great grandfather, WALTER PHOENIX was born in Sheffield in 1850, son of John and Mary Ann BENSON Phoenix. He married Sarah Ann REANEY, daughter of William and Sarah MOORE Reaney. The came to the US in 1852 and originally settled in Canastota, NY because of the silver trade there. Three years later they moved to Meriden, and then Hartford, CT where they stayed and the family still all resides in the general area. Three and a half years ago, my Mom's sister died and all her belongings were moved to my Mom's house. Almost 3 years ago, my Dad died and in cleaning out a lot of stuff, my mom came across a lot of old family stuff--a feast for me! LOL One day, she handed me a little notebook, like a daily dairy that would fit in a man's shirt pocket, with the comment "This probably is just junk but I thought you should take a look at it since you get mad if I throw out anything without checking with you!" I almost fell off the chair when I looked at it because it was a diary of Walter's 6 month trip to Sheffield in, I believe, 1921. I couldn't figure out why he would leave his family for so long and then realized his wife had died in 1917 so he apparently took his youngest son and went "home" for awhile. This is an incredible account of who he saw, where he went, what he bought and even how much he paid for things. The daily weather is even recorded, including that of the trip over and back on the ship. It gave us a wonderful picture of both the ship life and relatives in Sheffield at that time. The writing is very small and crammed into the little book. I photocopied it, enlarging each page for clarity. I then shared it with a relative in CA that I had met online a few years before. We had joined in a collaborative effort, where she did a lot of the documentation work and I contributed hundreds of old family photos, newspaper clippings, and thing like the diary. We really got this family pretty well traced back thru many generations, with lots of material to "flesh them out" as well as the lineage itself. . One day she sent me a typewritten copy of the diary with a legend of the the people involved and we were able to connect most of them and put them in the right family group. One thing about the PHOENIX family is that they were all musicians, some professional and many amateurs but performing was a major part of their lives. When Walter went back to Sheffield, he mentioned playing in various places then too. One or two played with John Philip Sousa's band. MY Mom even handed over an old music book, where Walter had hand written music. I wonder if anyone has ever come across the PHOENIX name as musicians in their research. This unexpected find became an important part of our research and gave us a much better look at the family both here and in Sheffield. Barb Stevens

Hello Listers, Angela Monaghan wrote on 21 May with surnames list: BEATSON: Any connection with the BEATSONs who lived on Sharrowvale Road (opposite Hunters bar School) from WW2 to 1980s. Mrs Beatson was Ruth CHEDGZOY before she married. They had no children. MARSHALL Seeking any connection with Elizabeth MARSHALL of Darnall, who about 1880 married George BOOTH of Laughton en le Morthen, later Nether green Sheffield. SELLARS: George and Lily SELLARS newsagents of Slate Street, Sheffield after the war. had daughter Joan about 1946. George served in the army, but was a keen philatelist and tennis player. Any connection. Thanks Alan Booth, Glos

Hi to all Reposting my Interest..... A nice easy name for starters SMITH......lol William Smith 1823 , Handsworth Thomas Smith 1846, Sheffield Frank Smith 1882, Sheffield Ann Wragg 1825, Sheffield - daughter of Thomas Wragg & Unknown, wife to William Smith Louisa Hobson 1849, Sheffield - daughter of Thomas Hobson & Mary Martin, wife to Thomas Smith Thomas Hobson 1823 Sheffield - son of Thomas Hobson & unknown Mary Martin 1826 Sheffield - daughter William Martin & unknown Thomas Hobson married Mary Martin 1848 Sheffield. Ruth Driver 1882, Attercliff cun Darnall - daughter of Joseph Driver & Ann Allchurch Joseph Driver born 1848 Warwickshire & Ann Allchurch 1853 born Worschester - no success yet in locating there marriage.... 5 children....1 born Durham, 1 born Derbyshire, the others born Yorkshire. Also looking for any information on Benjamin Stanley (shoemaker) born 1826 Hailfax. He married Eleanor Kelly (dont know where or when), 3 known children Emma, Ishmale, & John all born Lancashire. Family stories have this family completly wiped out except for Ishmale by the 1871 census. 1861 Census has them living in Hulme Manchester, any help with the 1851 & 1841 census would be great. Ishmale I have on 1871 & 1881 census, but he changes his name and moves and remarries in Scotland, I know who he married (both wives 1 england 1 scotland), and when he died ect, but have never been able to locate his birth reference or his siblings. Benjamin would be around 15 on the 1841 census and hopefully still living with his parents. Eleanor (Ellen) was born Isle of Man. Best Wishes Elaine Smith Queensland, Australia

>> Hi lists. >> As I am researching my family name STACEY is there anyone who could let >> me know where I can find any infomation about , the STACEY wheel, STACEY >> lane and STACEY bank.As I am very curious as to how they got their names. >> researching:- >> STACEY >> STACEY - PEACOCK >> STACEY - VICKERS >> BARBER >> TINMOUTH >> SELLARS >> >> Kind regards. >> >> Clive Stacey >> The Netherlands. >> >> >> > > >

hello Clive, The following is from David Crossley's book 'Water Power on the Sheffield Rivers': "STACEY WHEEL The first lease was taken in 1749 by Thomas Stacey of Handsworth, to erect a cutlers wheel on land between the upper cutlers wheel on the Loxley (Storrs Bridge Wheel) and Whithams corn mill (Dam Flask).William Brightmore took a 63-year lease in 1787...." There is no further mention of the name associated with this wheel. There are other mentions of the name in the book however: ---The Staceys are mentioned as holding the Lordship of the sub-manor of Owlerton in the 17th century. --- Turner Wheeel at Malin Bridge on the Loxley was leased by Malin Stacey in 1697 from the Duke of Norfolk (the first known reference to this wheel). ---A Malin Stacie had occupied the Slack Wheels (near the confluence of the Loxley and the Don) before 1637 (according to Harrison's survey of that year). --- in 1664 and 1670 William Stacey shared one half of Wicker Wheel (on the Don) with John Staniforth. Can you tell us something about your STACEYs ? Do you think they are related to these people ? Hugh in Sheffield ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Stacey" <stacey_adsl@wanadoo.nl> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Family/Local History Stories & Surname Interests etc. > > >> Hi lists. > >> As I am researching my family name STACEY is there anyone who could let > >> me know where I can find any infomation about , the STACEY wheel, STACEY > >> lane and STACEY bank.As I am very curious as to how they got their names. > >> researching:- > >> STACEY > >> STACEY - PEACOCK > >> STACEY - VICKERS > >> BARBER > >> TINMOUTH > >> SELLARS > >> > >> Kind regards. > >> > >> Clive Stacey > >> The Netherlands. > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Visit: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield/ > Visit list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ENG-SHEFFIELD-L/ or > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-SHEFFIELD- > > ============================== > View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find > marriage announcements and more. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx > > >

BEELEY Iron founders in Sheffield from about 1865 in Clarence lane, now Safeways? MARTIN After 1871, James was from Devon -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 22/05/2005

Hi Clive, I have the following info about Stacey Wheel which might be of help to you, Taken from: The Water-Mills of Sheffield. by W.T. Miller (1947) The remains of Stacey Wheel were visible at the foot of the embankment for the Damflask Reservoir until the small service reservoir was built a few years ago. Presumably this was called Stacey Wheel because of the connection of some member of that family with the works for a considerable period. Such connection may well have been fairly ancient, for Malyn Stacye was a person of note in the district in 1624, and his descendants probably held this wheel. Possibly, however, the name is derived from Stacey Bank nearby, or, of course, the converse may be true. It is marked as Stacey Wheel on a Fairbank plan of 1789, and was given the same name in 1794, when it had ten "trows" and employed twelve men, under a Mr. Brightmore, who occupied the premises for twenty years or more. Stacey Wheel was completely ruined by the Sheffield Flood. Taken from: Water Power on the Sheffield Rivers. by David Crossley (1989) The first lease (Stacey Wheel) was taken in 1749 by Thomas Stacey of Handsworth, to erect a cutler's wheel on land between the upper cutler's wheel on the Loxley (Storrs Bridge Wheel) and Whithams corn mill (Dam Flask). Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clive Stacey" <stacey_adsl@wanadoo.nl> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:08 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Family/Local History Stories & Surname Interests etc. > >>> Hi lists. >>> As I am researching my family name STACEY is there anyone who could let >>> me know where I can find any infomation about , the STACEY wheel, STACEY >>> lane and STACEY bank.As I am very curious as to how they got their names. >>> researching:- >>> STACEY >>> STACEY - PEACOCK >>> STACEY - VICKERS >>> BARBER >>> TINMOUTH >>> SELLARS >>> >>> Kind regards. >>> >>> Clive Stacey >>> The Netherlands.