Hi All, Looking for any information on the family of Samuel ASHTON which is listed below :- 1 Samuel Ashton b: 1850 in Birmingham,Warwickshire. . +Martha ? b: 1849 in Birmingham,Warwickshire. ...... 2 Martha Lily Ashton b: 1872 in Sheffield,W.Yorks ...... 2 Samuel W Ashton b: 1873 in Sheffield,W.Yorks ...... 2 Mary E Ashton b: 1874 in Sheffield,W.Yorks ...... 2 Joseph Henry Ashton b: 1876 in Sheffield,W.Yorks d: 05 July 1916 in Somme,France .......... +Eliza Broomhead b: 1879 in Sheffield,W.Yorks m: 1898 in Sheffield. .............. 3 Joseph Henry Ashton b: 06 June 1899 in Sheffield,W.Yorks .................. +Ursula Ballance ...... 2 James E Ashton b: 1878 in Sheffield,W.Yorks ...... 2 Ellen A Ashton b: 1879 in Sheffield,W.Yorks .......... +? Ferness ...... 2 Frank R Ashton b: 1882 in Sheffield,West Yorks ...... 2 Beatrice A Ashton b: 1886 in Sheffield,West Yorks ...... 2 Florence E Ashton b: 1888 in Sheffield,West Yorks Trevor Kersley Easingwold,North Yorks Web Page:- http://www.trevorkersley.co.uk Researching:- KERSLEY....Sheffield 1898+ & Winchester, Hampshire. ROBERTS....Sheffield,Yks & Llanrwst,Denbigshire. LILL....Sheffield & Doncaster Yks & Boston,Lincs. GAMBLE....Helmsley & York,Yks. ETHELL...Huttons Ambo + York + All Yorks & All Kent. REVIS... Westow & Malton, Yorks. WAKE... Brandsby, Crayke, & Stillington,Yorks. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 267.2.0 - Release Date: 27/05/2005

Hi Listers, I've been successful in tracing several lines back from 1901 to the mid-1700's, but I have very little information on my family in the 1900-1960 period. Relatives have been unable to tell me very much and I would like to fill in the many gaps. Can anyone please advise what sources I can use, other than the BMD indexes - are telephone directories and electoral roles useful? How do I find out about wills? etc. Thanks Angela Brighouse, West Yorkshire

Hello Todd, You will probably already know this but I have just been trawling the net and found that Thurgoland Parish Council have a website which mentions on one page the setting up of a local history group which might be of use to you, see link below, http://www.thurgoland.org.uk/index.htm Also whilst searching I came across a THUGALAND website in Florida (which when I opened it I saw a picture of you). I thought I'd found a relative for you until I saw your name. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Thurgaland" <rthurgalandjr@cfl.rr.com> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:14 PM Subject: [SHEFF] RE: Thurgaland - THURGOLAND > Doug Hawkes and other responders from "The List", > > Thanks for the link! What a wonderful resource of information. > Somewhere in that list of 250 Thurgaland families is my direct line ;) > Many of these names we are familiar with from our research. > > Thanks to everyone else who responded to my newbie questions, giving me > a better understanding of "the list" and how it works.

Hi List, I have replied to Judy direct but for anyone else interested : Brinswoth's Orchard was, where todays Orchard square is. According to the book "Reminiscences of Sheffield" It is mentioned in a directory of 1787 as Brinsworth's Orchard but in Faibanks Map of 1777 it is shown as Brelsforth's Orchard. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield/photos/streets/streetrelated/1780map.htm Tony Morton

Hi Judy I have in my family tree an Elizabeth Badger born in Ecclesfield in 1792 - father John Badger. Elizabeth also had a brother Joseph born 1794 plus other siblings. This was all on the IGI Batch C007522 and C007524. That is one Joseph Badger I do know of and he married a Mary and they also had a daughter Elizabeth in bpt 1817 in Ecclesfield and a son Joseph bpt 1828 in Ecclesfield. All the best. Stevie Smith Perth Western Australia

Hello all I have enjoyed reading all the memories posted recently. I am hoping that SKS might be able to point me in the right direction in my quest for a newspaper article. One of my uncles has just sent me a photo copy of a newspaper article written about his grandmother after she attended a fancy dress ball in Beighton. I know Beighton was technically Derbyshire but as it was close to the boarder I hope someone can help. From details in the article it must have been printed about 1950. It is a wonderful account of how at 87 years of age Hannah TURNER nee REANEY dressed up as "Old Mother Riley" and won a prize of 2 pairs of fully-fashioned silk stockings. There is also a picture of HANNAH in her costume. It is a great addition to my research because it also gives a potted history of her life & some info on her brother Mark REANEY who died after being knocked down by an express train whilst working as a railway platelayer. My problem is that the piece had become damaged over the years & the start of the article is missing. I would like to find a good copy of the original if possible. So to get back to my question - would an event that took place in Beighton c1950 have been covered by the Star or South Yorkshire Times? I have tried the Derbyshire Times, only the Chesterfield editions preserved & I have been told it wasn't in them. Any ideas gratefully received Catherine Atkin Melton Mowbray Leicestershire

Doug Hawkes and other responders from "The List", Thanks for the link! What a wonderful resource of information. Somewhere in that list of 250 Thurgaland families is my direct line ;) Many of these names we are familiar with from our research. Thanks to everyone else who responded to my newbie questions, giving me a better understanding of "the list" and how it works. As I mentioned. My interest is in the name THURGALAND. And unlike the name Shoemaker or Smith....it's a very rare name. My biggest interest is to just find someone living who shares my name. See what they might know about their name and where it came from. 1 year ago I found a woman in Australia with a surname of Thurgaland, on the net, but she never replied to my attempted contact. If anyone can find any current information on a living THURGALAND, the info would be greatly appreciated....if you have anything to share on the name or the town. And for those of you who are interested in what I do know of the name, here ya go.... Until 10 yrs ago we didn't even know there was a Village in England called Thurgoland. My fathers father died when my Dad was 6 yrs old. As a result, he knew little or nothing about his name, he knew our ancestors came from England, that was about it. My father spent some 20 yrs searching for another THURGALAND, but never found anyone who shared our name anywhere in the US. So we knew very little until one day, 10 yrs ago, my sister was serving tables (a waitress) and a couple of customers from England said "Tayla, what a beautiful name, what is your Surname"? When she told them they replied "oh, well we live about 20 minutes from The Village of Thurgoland". The next day we got a map of England and there it was!!! 8 yrs later, my 56 yr old father and 92 yr old grandmother took a trip! A visit to THURGOLAND: a village in England. It was 2001. They stayed in the Thurgoland Inn for a week and researched the area church records and walked the cemeteries. There research took them to other villages and towns nearby, as no living Thurgalands could be found in Thurgoland. They did find out much with their limited time, though. They even ate dinner with the Thurgarland family in Rotherham. They got much information, history, and stories from them. They visited an old Thurgoland family Home from the 1600's in Murfield. Across the street from that home was a larger Thurgoland manner home with 11 hearths built in the 17 or 1800's that was torn down for the wood, and other materials, to be used in construction after WWII...it was run down and had been abandoned for 100+ yrs. My father seems to think that our ancestors, The Thurgolanders from Thurgoland, were run out during the Cromwell era. They were dispersed and settled in areas just north of there. Was our family lord of the manner? tax collectors? These are some of the stories we have dug up and been told. Many more bits of information my father has filed away from his trip. We know our roots trace back to this area, this village, these people, but we are missing the connections from then to now....the migration to the US. That's a vague idea of what we know of our family name history. My Dad has a little bit better handle on it than I do, but the facts we think we know are still pretty disjointed. We would welcome any new information or thoughts anyone can share. Since Sheffield is so close to Thurgoland, I thought maybe some of your kind people might have additional bits of information for me. Thank you for your interest, ideas, or help TODD THURGALAND -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Hawkes [mailto:dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 12:53 PM To: Todd Thurgaland Subject: RE: [SHEFF] What newspaper - TODD THURGALAND Hi List, Todd Thurgaland piqued my curiousity about the name THURGALAND. I went to the IGI and found hundreds of entries. Todd go to: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=igi/sear ch_IGI.asp&clear_form=true Enter Region: British Isles. Country: England and type your last name in the Last Name Box and hit enter. You'll have hours of fun sorting them all out. -- Doug Hawkes e-mail: dhawkes@ee.ryerson.ca > > Hello all, > > My name is THURGALAND. I live in Florida. There is a village in N. > England called Thurgoland. It is near Sheffield. I have never found > another living Thurgaland and am interested in anyone past or present > who shared my name. > I know that the name split off into many spellings and there are > Thurgarlands in England. > > My main interest is to just know if anyone knows anything about the name > THURGALAND. > > Thanks to anyone that might respond to my questions > > TODD THURGALAND > > >> > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Visit: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield/ > Visit list Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ENG-SHEFFIELD-L/ or > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=ENG-SHEFFIELD- > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Thank you to all the people who have sent me information. Most of it has been extremely useful and I just hope that this Joseph Badgers was the right one. Many thanks for your help everyone. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _http://www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

In a message dated 27/05/2005 16:45:28 GMT Standard Time, rthurgalandjr@cfl.rr.com writes: I just joined this list. It's filling up my email box. Is this a message-board too? Could I just go to a message-board to read threads and post a question? Instead of getting all this email? I'm new to this "mailing list" thing and have no idea how it works or who will get this email or even reply. Hi When you join a list you subscribe to one of two modes. The first one is the -L- mode and all letters to the list are sent to everyone on the list. The people that can help or who are interested then write their replies or queries. These also arrive in your mail box. Instead of reading all the letters on the list you could subscribe to the -D- mode [Digest Mode]. You will then receive all the mail but in a listed form and you could answer any that you wish to. The only trouble is that you may miss the chance to join in some quite useful and helpful information if you do this as you can only read it about once in about three days. In the -D- mode you can still reply to the letters as the address is given. It will tell you on the bottom of you subscribe letter how to do this. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _http://www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Hi Todd, The idea of a mailing list is as its name implies that you will get mail depending on how busy the list is. I would say stick with the list and you will learn lots about the Sheffield area. However if you are just researching the name Thurgoland in all it's forms you might be better off with a name mailing list with Rootsweb........ It all depends on what you want re your research.......If you find a specific family that you would like traced I am sure we will have a crack at it but you have to come up with the family first. Hope that makes it clearer what this list is all about.. Kindest regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 5/25/2005

Hello all, I just joined this list. It's filling up my email box. Is this a message-board too? Could I just go to a message-board to read threads and post a question? Instead of getting all this email? I'm new to this "mailing list" thing and have no idea how it works or who will get this email or even reply. My name is THURGALAND. I live in Florida. There is a village in N. England called Thurgoland. It is near Sheffield. I have never found another living Thurgaland and am interested in anyone past or present who shared my name. I know that the name split off into many spellings and there are Thurgarlands in England. My main interest is to just know if anyone knows anything about the name THURGALAND. Thanks to anyone that might respond to my questions TODD THURGALAND -----Original Message----- From: CATHERINE ATKIN [mailto:catherine.atkin1@btinternet.com] Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 11:04 AM To: ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SHEFF] What newspaper Hello all I have enjoyed reading all the memories posted recently. I am hoping that SKS might be able to point me in the right direction in my quest for a newspaper article. One of my uncles has just sent me a photo copy of a newspaper article written about his grandmother after she attended a fancy dress ball in Beighton. I know Beighton was technically Derbyshire but as it was close to the boarder I hope someone can help. >From details in the article it must have been printed about 1950. It is a wonderful account of how at 87 years of age Hannah TURNER nee REANEY dressed up as "Old Mother Riley" and won a prize of 2 pairs of fully-fashioned silk stockings. There is also a picture of HANNAH in her costume. It is a great addition to my research because it also gives a potted history of her life & some info on her brother Mark REANEY who died after being knocked down by an express train whilst working as a railway platelayer. My problem is that the piece had become damaged over the years & the start of the article is missing. I would like to find a good copy of the original if possible. So to get back to my question - would an event that took place in Beighton c1950 have been covered by the Star or South Yorkshire Times? I have tried the Derbyshire Times, only the Chesterfield editions preserved & I have been told it wasn't in them. Any ideas gratefully received Catherine Atkin Melton Mowbray Leicestershire ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== Always include your name and area of residence on ALL list messages. It helps others to point you to your nearest source of information. It also makes for a more friendly message. ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=1459 9&targetid=5429

Hi Judy, The piece number you need to remember is 1338/5 folio 26b. 1338/5 Sheffield West 12 26b Badgers, Portabella Street Joseph BADGER3 5 1338/5 Sheffield West 12 26b Badgers, Portabella Street Elizibeth BADGER 35 1338/5 Sheffield West 12 26b Badgers, Portabella Street Francis BADGER 13 1338/5 Sheffield West 12 26b Badgers, Portabella Street Mary BADGER 11 1338/5 Sheffield West 12 26b Badgers, Portabella Street Emma BADGER 9 1338/5 Sheffield West 12 26b Badgers, Portabella Street Edwin BADGER 4 1338/5 Sheffield West 12 26b Badgers, Portabella Street Ann BADGER 1 Joseph is a carpenter and and they were all born in Yorkshire. The actual Address reads Badger Crt, Portobello St Regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005

Hi Does anybody in Sheffield know where this address was in 1787. The family moved sometime in the next 20 years to Portobello so I wondered if it could be in the centre of Sheffield as the Cathedral was the family's place of worship. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _http://www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

In a message dated 26/05/2005 22:36:25 GMT Standard Time, trayford@rogers.com writes: If you tell us what you are looking for re occupation someone will look..... Hi Elaine, That would be very helpful. I need to find Joseph Badger probably in the city centre. I would also like to see who was living with him at the time. Of course Joseph may have died, and the son carried on in which case the forename may not be Joseph. He would certainly have been older than 53 so I need an older man if the father is still alive. The William Watkinson was there as I knew he would be, in Pinstone Street aged 53. However, as a baby William Watkinson was sent home in 1788 from India to live with his uncle Joseph Badger in Sheffield because his father had died. There was no mother mentioned. At that time Joseph Badger, I think I have the right one, had a business as a Carpenter and Joiner in Brinsworths Orchard according to a 1787 directory. He seems to have been at Portobello Street by 1822 Baines' Directory. I see in the 1841 they are still in Portobello Street as a family. Could you check whether they are still in the Carpentry and Joinery business. Also do you know where Brinsworths Orchard was in 1787. The Badgers seem to have used Sheffield Cathedral for their BMDs but how to hit on the right Joseph Badgers family and find a lady who married a Lt. G. Watkinson, maybe in India is quite a problem. I cannot work backwards as is usual but have to work from 1788 forwards. Quite a brickwall. Any advice and help gratefully received. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _http://www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Hello all, As lots of listers have sent in their wartime experiences I thought that I would join in. I lived on Windmill Lane and attended Shiregreen school. On the first night of the blitz we all congregated in the communal shelter that had been built underground on the "Green" which was a green space surrounded by Windmill Lane, Heather Rd, Foxgove Rd. and Wincobank Ave. The shelter had not been completed so there were no seats just a concrete box, very cold and frightening for a 8 year old (me). I remember the bombs coming down then an almighty bang that threw us all over the place, most of us bruised and bleeding, the big bang was a land mine that had landed at the corner of Heather Rd. and Foxglove Rd. Then the ARP wardens began carrying down neighbours who had stayed in their houses and were now injured, there were also deathe but we didn't get to know about those until the "All Clear' went . When we came out of the shelter all the houses had lost the roofs and windows, doors blown off and general devastation inside. My parents had never had any one to decorate the house before, with the depression they couldn't afford it, they had saved up and had the CO-OP to paint and wallpaper the front room just the week before and now everything was ruined, I remember my mother crying not about the roof or windows but about the new wallpaper !!!. There was one house that had water on the corner of Heather Rd. and Windmill Lane, they pushed out what remained of their kitchen window and everyone queued with whatever they could salvage to obtain water. Most houses were not fit to live in so we, along with many other families lived in the basement of St Hilda's Church. Each family had a designated space that was defined by a square of chairs, my father salvaged two mattresses, pillows and blankets and we slept down there until tarpaulins were put on the roofs and black tar paper covered the windows. If I remember right there were 2 toilets to serve all of us-but we were ALIVE. Then on the thursday night we got another land mine, but thats another story. SORRY MY EMAIL IS SO LONG BUT I GOT CARRIED AWAY. I could keep going but do not want to bore you with my childhood memories. Best wishes to all, Audrey, Ontario, Canada.

Hello listers My niece, who is researching the name Myers, was told by an old gentleman many years ago, that Myers Grove was named after two brothers who had lived on the lane for years. Does anybody know if the story is true and if so, who were the two Myers brothers? I have googled and done other searches for Myers Grove but get a lot of stuff about the school and not really much else. If anybody can point me to a website I would be most appreciative. Regards - Ann in Oakerthorpe, Derbyshire

Thanks Jeremy I will try to scan some pages in a group and then post them online a few at a time. Most of the people mentioned are of course, Phoenix but other names include Lynes,Cooper, Mounsey,Reaney, Shillito, Nall, Silvester, Conders, Graveson, Rodgers, West, and Wilson. Barb from CT Jeremy Crawshaw <jeremy.crawshaw@talktalk.net> wrote: Barb, A few years ago I transcribed a booklet I had (from the 1920s) about St. Philip's Church in Sheffield (which is now on the list website). I did this in stages and posted it every time I had completed a chapter. If you would like to do this I'm sure many people (myself included) would love to read the story. It's up to you how you do it, you could either transcribe the whole thing to computer first and then post portions at your leisure or transcribe a piece at a time and post as soon as ready, either way I'm sure it will be well received. Best Wishes Jeremy (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Barb Stevens To: Jeremy Crawshaw Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] my PHOENIX story HI Jeremy Several people have asked me to post it somewhere. Do you think 30 pages is too much to post here? Of course, with having to scan it in, it would be a gradual thing. I would be more than glad to share it with anyone who is interested. Barb Jeremy Crawshaw <jeremy.crawshaw@talktalk.net> wrote: Hello Barb, This sounds like a fascinating read and a real gem of a find. In the future if you ever manage to transcribe it to the computer would you consider posting it in instalments to the list, I for one (and I'm sure many others) would love to read it. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barb Stevens" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:10 PM Subject: [SHEFF] my PHOENIX story One day, she handed me a little notebook, like a daily dairy that would fit in a man's shirt pocket, with the comment "This probably is just junk but I thought you should take a look at it since you get mad if I throw out anything without checking with you!" I almost fell off the chair when I looked at it because it was a diary of Walter's 6 month trip to Sheffield in, I believe, 1921. I couldn't figure out why he would leave his family for so long and then realized his wife had died in 1917 so he apparently took his youngest son and went "home" for awhile. > > This is an incredible account of who he saw, where he went, what he bought > and even how much he paid for things. The daily weather is even recorded, > including that of the trip over and back on the ship. It gave us a > wonderful picture of both the ship life and relatives in Sheffield at that > time. > > Barb Stevens ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== Always include your name and area of residence on ALL list messages. It helps others to point you to your nearest source of information. It also makes for a more friendly message. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

Hi Judy, If you tell us what you are looking for re occupation someone will look..... The reason no occupation it is an index not a full transcription. Regards. Elaine in Ottawa Sheffield Indexers 1841 Census Coordinator http://www.sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org/1841census/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.16 - Release Date: 5/24/2005

Hi, Joseph Badger I need the occupation to be able to identify the man I need in 1841 Judy Elkington.

In a message dated 26/05/2005 21:48:00 GMT Standard Time, trayford@rogers.com writes: If you take a look at the 1841 census index you will find there are 5 Joseph Badger's... Have a look and make you choice...... Hi Elaine, I wish I could but unfortunately the one essential thing I need is his job and that is not shown. I cannot pick him by age because I do not know it. It is a pity because it is a great idea but why was the occupation not included. Judy Elkington