Hi Keith, The only way you will find out the fathers name is if either you give Rachel s fathers name (Richard ) and say you don't want the certificate unless it is. If you are paying with an English cheque they will return it to you if it isn't Richard. OR. You buy the certificate. Another way around this is to check Ecclesfield Parish Church parish registers and see if you can spot a baptism. Ecclesfield has been filmed and indexed and you will be able to get them in Leeds at the LDS there. Hope this helps. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.4 - Release Date: 6/6/2005

I only tried to buy a certificate direct from Sheffield Register Office once and they took an age to get back to me. It turned out I had forgotten to sign the cheque I enclosed (doh!) but it took them a month to inform me of this and send it back. Shelagh On 6/7/05, Keith Braithwaite <kbx@btopenworld.com> wrote: > > Dear list > I would like to know if a Rachel Calvert Braithwaite born Dec 1842 Ecclesfield is mine. > Her father would be Richard Braithwaite and her mother was Ann nee Ward. Richard's occupation could have been flax dresser. I have been into the Leeds office for birth and marriage certificates and given them information to check, if they come back and say yes the information you gave me is correct then I buy the certificate. If on the > other hand they say the information you have given does not correspond with the birth or marriage cert, then I know that I have not found my family member and would not buy the cert. Is this how it works in Sheffield? > > I have sent a letter to the registrars office in Sheffield to ask them to confirm or deny the info I have given before I purchase the certificate but they have not answered my letter. > > Would anybody on the list be willing to check for me if they ever go to the registrars office? I would be willing to do lookups for anybody if they have connections with Leeds. > > Kind regards > Keith Braithwaite > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all > aspects of genealogy in the UK.........For the Sheffield pages visit > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/index.html > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

This rather sad series of entries on freebmd might explain why Samuel is a widower in 1861 if this is his family:- Births Jun 1859 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Baggin Female Sheffield 9c [3_]64 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Deaths Jun 1859 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- BAGGIN Eliza Sheffield 9c 270 BAGGIN Female Sheffield 9c 251 Janet www.researchingrelatives.com

On freebmd http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ there is this marriage:- Marriages Mar 1844 BAGGAN Samuel Martin Sheffield 22 377 There are several other marriages, births and deaths for Baggans in Sheffield and Pontefract. HTH Janet www.researchingrelatives.co.uk

Hi Maureen I have sent you the 1861 census image offlist, I hope this helps. It lists Samuel as a widower. Here are a list of all the Baggin/Baggan/Baggen on the 1861 census who were born in Pontefract. Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County Mary E Baggen abt 1845 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Servant Tanshelf Yorkshire Eliza Baggin abt 1859 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Daughter Pontefract Yorkshire Emma Baggin abt 1851 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Daughter Pontefract Yorkshire Hannah Baggin abt 1849 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Lodger Pontefract Yorkshire Jane Baggin abt 1847 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Daughter Pontefract Yorkshire John Baggin abt 1823 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Head Pontefract Yorkshire Samuel Martin Baggin abt 1826 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Head Attercliffe and Darnall Yorkshire Sarah Ann Baggin abt 1853 Pontefract, Yorkshire, England Daughter Pontefract Yorkshire Would you like me to send you the 1861 image for John as well? Janet www.researchingrelatives.co.uk

Cowboy Boots Anyone who has ever dressed a child will love this one! Did you hear about the Texas teacher who was helping one of her kindergarten students put on his cowboy boots? He asked for help & she could see why. Even with her pulling and him pushing, the little boots still didn't want to go on. Finally, when the 2nd boot was on, she had worked up a sweat. She almost cried when the little boy said, "Teacher, they're on the wrong feet." She looked and sure enough, they were. It wasn't any easier pulling the boots off than it was putting them on. She managed to keep her cool as together they worked to get the boots back on, this time on the right feet. He then announced, "These aren't my boots." She bit her tongue rather than get right in his face and scream, "Why didn't you say so?" like she wanted to. And, once again she struggled to help him pull the ill-fitting boots off his little feet. No sooner they got the boots off and he said, "They're my brother's boots. My Mom made me wear 'em." Now she didn't know if she should laugh or cry. But, she mustered up the grace and courage she had left to wrestle the boots on his feet again. Helping him into his coat, she asked, "Now, where are your mittens?" He said, "I stuffed 'em in the toes of my boots." Her trial starts next month .

Hiya, can SKS help find me SAMUEL MARTIN BAGGIN marriage please. My Gr.Gr.Gr. grandfather JOHN BAGGAN was bt in Pontefract 1822 to JAMES & ANNE I thought his brother was JAMES MARTIN BAGGAN bt 1825 but must have read bt. records & 1841 Census (where they both on in Pontefract) wrongly. (I must go check them for myself) The bt. for Pontefract has been transcribed & published & they have him as SAMUEL MARTIN BAGGAN. A very very kind member of this site has sent me all BAGGIN's in Yorkshire 1861 & I have been able to make out three families. One is my JOHN's family living in Pontefract, one is GEORGE (born Dublin) wife CAROLINE (b.Sheffield) & family living in Nether Hallam & the last is SAMUEL (b. Pontefract) with his children living in Attercliffe Darnell no wife listed. Do any of these other families "belong" to anyone? Would anyone know where/when & to who did SAMUEL marry? Or when they bt their 4 children ELIZA c.1847 ANN c.1848 HENRY c.1854 & MARY c.1856 in Sheffield Does anyone have the 1851 Census Index & could let me have details of these two families living in Sheffield, please THANK YOU so much, Maureen

Dear Listers I am moving, so must unsubscribe for a few weeks. I shall be back as soon as resettled. This site is so interesting and helpful. I shall miss you!! Margaret, in hot, humid, Palmyra

Dear list I would like to know if a Rachel Calvert Braithwaite born Dec 1842 Ecclesfield is mine. Her father would be Richard Braithwaite and her mother was Ann nee Ward. Richard's occupation could have been flax dresser. I have been into the Leeds office for birth and marriage certificates and given them information to check, if they come back and say yes the information you gave me is correct then I buy the certificate. If on the other hand they say the information you have given does not correspond with the birth or marriage cert, then I know that I have not found my family member and would not buy the cert. Is this how it works in Sheffield? I have sent a letter to the registrars office in Sheffield to ask them to confirm or deny the info I have given before I purchase the certificate but they have not answered my letter. Would anybody on the list be willing to check for me if they ever go to the registrars office? I would be willing to do lookups for anybody if they have connections with Leeds. Kind regards Keith Braithwaite

Hello List, I've just had an e-mail from my mum to tell me about a play that a friend of hers is in that's about to be performed in July with a Sheffield interest and thought that list members in Sheffield (or surrounding areas) might be interested in it as well, see below, The MAZE THEATRE presents two plays about St. Vincent's, Solly Street and The Sheffield Gang Wars. "GOD AND GANGSTERS" - 7pm, Friday 1st July at The Red House Pub, Solly Street and 7 pm, Saturday 2nd July at St. Vincent's Catholic Men's Club, Solly Street. Both plays are presented on both nights and admission is FREE, but a collection will be made in aid of a local children's charity. Sounds like it will be two good nights of entertainment. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ----------------------------------------------------

In a message dated 07/06/2005 02:32:38 GMT Standard Time, RangerZig@aol.com writes: What other info do you have other than a name? LOcation?There are a lot of Stokes to look through. You indicated you already had info but were checking info on census. Try misspelling the name and you might have success Hi it is possible to search a name on Ancestry by putting in all the given facts without a surname. This sometimes pulls up the missing name. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _http://www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

In a message dated 07/06/2005 00:19:22 GMT Standard Time, phillip_stoakes@yahoo.co.uk writes: Before paying any money I have `dry run` 1861 census with information I am allready sure of and got `no results found` I take it even though I wouldnt see the results if I hadnt paid It would tell me if any had been found. Anybody who uses it could you please advise? Phillip Stoakes Hi It is not very clear what you mean. What are you viewing to get the 1861 census. As there are two ways to do this it is important to say which one. I presume that you mean the one with _www.1837online.com_ (http://www.1837online.com) and not with Ancestry.co.uk Someone with access could check it for you if you give the name and details of who you are looking for. Best wishes JUDY ELKINGTON _http://www.elkingtonfamily.com_ (http://www.elklingtonfamily.com/) ELKINGTON-L@rootsweb.com http://www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Before paying any money I have `dry run` 1861 census with information I am allready sure of and got `no results found` I take it even though I wouldnt see the results if I hadnt paid It would tell me if any had been found. Anybody who uses it could you please advise? Phillip Stoakes (Searching Stoakes) --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PCcalling worldwide with voicemail

Hi listers Is there anyone out there that knows of an Evelyn Alice M Addington b Dec quarter 1907 in Ecclesall. I was wondering if she was a daughter of Edward and Emily Addington who moved to Sheffield, They were married in Ampthill Beds. His residence was put on the cert as Sheffield and Ampthill but born in Ampthill. Thanks Eunice Australia

Hi Philip, Found the following.... STOKES Philip 65 York 3481 102 Hope he's the one. Regards. Elaine in Ottawa. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 6/4/2005

I could not find any Phillip Stoakes in the 1861 census nor 1871. Is it possible the enumerator spelled it Stokes by mistake?? This happens quite often. What other info do you have other than a name? LOcation?There are a lot of Stokes to look through. You indicated you already had info but were checking info on census. Try misspelling the name and you might have success Richard

Norman, Do you have a little more info about this man that you could give to us as it's not a lot to go on if you would like list members to help you? If you have his approx age in 1908 and any other known family members or known areas of residence this would help people to help you. Best Wishes Jeremy Crawshaw (Temp. List Admin) Crookes SHEFFIELD ---------------------------------------------------- Outgoing Mail protected by: NORTON Internet Security 2004 Updated: 21st May 2005 ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Norman Gallop" <ennarrgee@clear.net.nz> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 3:06 AM Subject: [SHEFF] George William COUSINS married 2nd qtr 1908 Sheffield > Any information on this gent and his family would be appreciated. > > > Thanks NRG. > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Personal details of living or probable living persons are not to be posted > onlist. If such details are requested then please use common sense before > responsding offlist with a personal email. > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > >

Any information on this gent and his family would be appreciated. Thanks NRG.

Thanks to Richard, Hugh &Gordon and every one else who replied to my message and thanks for all the links for the church. It has been a great help. Thanks Elaine Smith Qld Australia

I am really sorry, I posted my message, before adding my name Elaine Smith Qld, Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elaine Smith" <famgenes@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-SHEFFIELD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2005 7:13 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Cathedral Saint Peter > Hi all, > Can anyone tell me where or was the Cathedral Saint Peter, located in > Sheffield. > Also what records are available for this church. > > It appears that Thomas Wragg married Sarah Bagshaw about 1806 > Children > Mary 1806 > Joseph 1808 > Elizabeth 1809 > Samuel 1811 > Sarah 1813 > Harriott 1815 > Thomas abt 1821 > Jonathan & Charity 1822 > Ann 1825 > > I have Thomas, Ann Jonathan & Samuel on the 1841 census > Also parents Thomas & Sarah > all at Manor Castle Yard, Sheffield Park > Is there any one who can check the 1851 for Samuel, Jonathan & Thomas > Ann married William Smith and I have her on all census records > > > ==== ENG-SHEFFIELD Mailing List ==== > Visit http://www.genuki.org.uk/ for initial information on all > aspects of genealogy in the UK.........For the Sheffield pages visit > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/index.html > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >