OK Liz if you insist. I held back these other OXLEY's becuase of the significant number of known unknowns :-) John OXLEY b1788 Sheffield married ?? They produced Edward OXLEY b1811 Sheffield and Mary OXLEY b1823 Rotherham. Mary may have had an illegitimate son but definietly married William WELLS b1821 Retford, Notts. Son of Mary, James OXLEY b1847 Rotherham went on to marry (10 April 1887) Charlotte SAYLES b?? Rotherham. Not sure whether these are connected with my other OXLEY's though. Regards, Kevin ======================================== Message Received: May 22 2007, 04:39 PM From: "Liz" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley We're doing OK so far but, please someone, come up with some older OXLEYS!!! Has anyone found a new connection with all these OXLEYs going around? Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Turner" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Oxley >I have a Mary Emma Oxley b.Dec 1865 m. Frank Chadwick Dec 1885 in >Sheffield. > They had 4 little Chadwicks between 1889 and 1900. Any help ? > Cheers > Frank > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 > 07:54 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Let's keep the OXLEYS going then!!!!! This is a "Twig" whereas Hannah was my direct line. George H. OXLEY married Lucy E. HARTLAND 1Q 1913 in Rotherham. Son Leslie OXLEY 3Q 1916 Rotherham m. Constance Olive PORTER 1Q 1937 and d. 3Q 1974 in Birmingham I have them up to date. They are attached to my granddaughter's REYNOLDs family from Masborough and Doncaster. Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Hastings To: Liz Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley OK Liz if you insist. I held back these other OXLEY's becuase of the significant number of known unknowns :-) John OXLEY b1788 Sheffield married ?? They produced Edward OXLEY b1811 Sheffield and Mary OXLEY b1823 Rotherham. Mary may have had an illegitimate son but definietly married William WELLS b1821 Retford, Notts. Son of Mary, James OXLEY b1847 Rotherham went on to marry (10 April 1887) Charlotte SAYLES b?? Rotherham. Not sure whether these are connected with my other OXLEY's though. Regards, Kevin ======================================== Message Received: May 22 2007, 04:39 PM From: "Liz" To: [email protected] Cc: Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley We're doing OK so far but, please someone, come up with some older OXLEYS!!! Has anyone found a new connection with all these OXLEYs going around? Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Turner" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Oxley >I have a Mary Emma Oxley b.Dec 1865 m. Frank Chadwick Dec 1885 in >Sheffield. > They had 4 little Chadwicks between 1889 and 1900. Any help ? > Cheers > Frank > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 > 07:54 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 07:54

Liz, Sorry, that's as far back I have got so far, so don't know is the answer at this stage. Regards, Kevin ======================================== Message Received: May 22 2007, 04:36 PM From: "Liz" To: [email protected], [email protected] Cc: Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys Is that the George son of William and Ann or George and Margaret? Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hastings" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys > Hi Lesley, Liz, et al, > I also have Sheffield Oxley's in my tree. > George OXLEY b1843 married Mary?? b1844 in Sheffield. Children were Emily > b1869; Ruth b1872; George b1875 and Arthur b1877. > Emily married George Critchlow b1869 from Stoney Middleton, Derbyshire > > Arthur married Sara E Barnsley b1877 from Attercliffe, Sheffield and > produced Jos Arthur OXLEY b1900 Sheffield > > Hope this may be of interest, > Kindest regards, > Kevin > > ======================================== > Message Received: May 22 2007, 01:39 PM > From: "JChatterton" > To: "Lesley Ann1963" , [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys > > Hi Lesley and Liz > > I have a Sarah OXLEY in my family. She married Samuel BRADFORD and was the > mother of my grtgrandfather Albert born 6 Feb 1850 at 43 Jericho Street, > Sheffield and he married Martha Ellen GREEN on 20 Feb 1870 and had the > following children, Sarah, Annie, Martha, Ethel, Herbert (my grandfather) > and Ruth. Albert died at 3 Kelvin Place, Sheffield. I dont have Sarah's > parents names or siblings. > > Regards > > > June Chatterton > Sheffield > www.junechatterton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk > Tracing relatives of BRADFORD, HAWLEY, LEMONS AND MITCHELL > and CHATTERTON, BENSON, FIELDSEND, KENNY/KENNEY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Ann1963" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:12 PM > Subject: [SHEFF] Oxleys > > >> Hi Liz I have Oxleys near Sheffield, don't have much info but my tree is >> called Possum Tree if you want to look. >> Lesley-in-New-Zealand >> >> Descendants of Robert Oxley >> --------------------------- >> 1-Robert Oxley b. Abt 1709, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England >> +Susan Needham b. Abt 1709, Yorkshire, England >> |--2-John Oxley c. 3 Feb 1734, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England >> |--2-Anne Oxley c. 25 Dec 1735, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, >> England >> |--2-Robert Oxley c. 11 Dec 1737, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Joseph Oxley c. 27 Jan 1740, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Sarah Oxley c. 16 Jun 1742, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Hannah Oxley b. 1744, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, c. > 10 >> | Mar 1745, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. 17 Apr 1802, Yorkshire, >> | England >> | +Thomas Chambers b. 17 Jan 1745, Rawmarsh, Rotherham, Yorkshire, >> England, >> | c. 21 Feb 1745, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. 4 Jan 1817, >> Yorkshire, En >> | gland >> | |--3-Thomas Chambers b. 26 Mar 1771, Yorkshire, England, d. 16 Oct > 1814, >> | | Sheffield, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Robert Chambers b. 21 Aug 1774, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-William Chambers b. 23 Mar 1775, Yorkshire, England, d. 23 Nov > 1810, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Matthew Chambers b. 17 Sep 1776, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. >> 26 >> | | Jan 1828, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-James Chambers b. 12 Mar 1779, Yorkshire, England, d. 4 Sep 1839, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Joseph Chambers b. 17 Jan 1783, Yorkshire, England, d. 3 Mar 1834, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> |--2-George Oxley c. 17 Jan 1752, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> --------------------------- >> Alternate email, only if needed: [email protected] >> >> Names being researched: >> ARCHBOLD dub/ire; BARTLETT, EARWICKER, RAPSON, WOOLVEN, WRAPSON ssx/eng; >> BROOKER kent/eng; CHAMBERS yks/eng; FERRIS lond/eng; NOYCE, SEARLE >> hants/eng, ORSMOND tahiti; WARD shrop/eng; FINLEY derby/eng; STRANG, >> GOODWIN stirling/scot; TINKLER cumbria/eng; CAMPBELL, ROWLAND, BENNETT >> eng>nz >> >> "But as for me, my contentment is not in wealth but in seeing you and >> knowing that all is well between us. And when I awake in heaven, I will > be >> fully satisfied, for I will see you face to face." Psalm 17:15 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 > 07:54 > >

:-) Keep at it Kevin!!!! LIZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Hastings To: Liz Cc: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys Liz, Sorry, that's as far back I have got so far, so don't know is the answer at this stage. Regards, Kevin ======================================== Message Received: May 22 2007, 04:36 PM From: "Liz" To: [email protected], [email protected] Cc: Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys Is that the George son of William and Ann or George and Margaret? Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hastings" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys > Hi Lesley, Liz, et al, > I also have Sheffield Oxley's in my tree. > George OXLEY b1843 married Mary?? b1844 in Sheffield. Children were Emily > b1869; Ruth b1872; George b1875 and Arthur b1877. > Emily married George Critchlow b1869 from Stoney Middleton, Derbyshire > > Arthur married Sara E Barnsley b1877 from Attercliffe, Sheffield and > produced Jos Arthur OXLEY b1900 Sheffield > > Hope this may be of interest, > Kindest regards, > Kevin > > ======================================== > Message Received: May 22 2007, 01:39 PM > From: "JChatterton" > To: "Lesley Ann1963" , [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys > > Hi Lesley and Liz > > I have a Sarah OXLEY in my family. She married Samuel BRADFORD and was the > mother of my grtgrandfather Albert born 6 Feb 1850 at 43 Jericho Street, > Sheffield and he married Martha Ellen GREEN on 20 Feb 1870 and had the > following children, Sarah, Annie, Martha, Ethel, Herbert (my grandfather) > and Ruth. Albert died at 3 Kelvin Place, Sheffield. I dont have Sarah's > parents names or siblings. > > Regards > > > June Chatterton > Sheffield > www.junechatterton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk > Tracing relatives of BRADFORD, HAWLEY, LEMONS AND MITCHELL > and CHATTERTON, BENSON, FIELDSEND, KENNY/KENNEY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Ann1963" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:12 PM > Subject: [SHEFF] Oxleys > > >> Hi Liz I have Oxleys near Sheffield, don't have much info but my tree is >> called Possum Tree if you want to look. >> Lesley-in-New-Zealand >> >> Descendants of Robert Oxley >> --------------------------- >> 1-Robert Oxley b. Abt 1709, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England >> +Susan Needham b. Abt 1709, Yorkshire, England >> |--2-John Oxley c. 3 Feb 1734, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England >> |--2-Anne Oxley c. 25 Dec 1735, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, >> England >> |--2-Robert Oxley c. 11 Dec 1737, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Joseph Oxley c. 27 Jan 1740, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Sarah Oxley c. 16 Jun 1742, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Hannah Oxley b. 1744, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, c. > 10 >> | Mar 1745, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. 17 Apr 1802, Yorkshire, >> | England >> | +Thomas Chambers b. 17 Jan 1745, Rawmarsh, Rotherham, Yorkshire, >> England, >> | c. 21 Feb 1745, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. 4 Jan 1817, >> Yorkshire, En >> | gland >> | |--3-Thomas Chambers b. 26 Mar 1771, Yorkshire, England, d. 16 Oct > 1814, >> | | Sheffield, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Robert Chambers b. 21 Aug 1774, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-William Chambers b. 23 Mar 1775, Yorkshire, England, d. 23 Nov > 1810, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Matthew Chambers b. 17 Sep 1776, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. >> 26 >> | | Jan 1828, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-James Chambers b. 12 Mar 1779, Yorkshire, England, d. 4 Sep 1839, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Joseph Chambers b. 17 Jan 1783, Yorkshire, England, d. 3 Mar 1834, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> |--2-George Oxley c. 17 Jan 1752, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> --------------------------- >> Alternate email, only if needed: [email protected] >> >> Names being researched: >> ARCHBOLD dub/ire; BARTLETT, EARWICKER, RAPSON, WOOLVEN, WRAPSON ssx/eng; >> BROOKER kent/eng; CHAMBERS yks/eng; FERRIS lond/eng; NOYCE, SEARLE >> hants/eng, ORSMOND tahiti; WARD shrop/eng; FINLEY derby/eng; STRANG, >> GOODWIN stirling/scot; TINKLER cumbria/eng; CAMPBELL, ROWLAND, BENNETT >> eng>nz >> >> "But as for me, my contentment is not in wealth but in seeing you and >> knowing that all is well between us. And when I awake in heaven, I will > be >> fully satisfied, for I will see you face to face." Psalm 17:15 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 > 07:54 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 07:54

We're doing OK so far but, please someone, come up with some older OXLEYS!!! Has anyone found a new connection with all these OXLEYs going around? Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Turner" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:46 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Oxley >I have a Mary Emma Oxley b.Dec 1865 m. Frank Chadwick Dec 1885 in >Sheffield. > They had 4 little Chadwicks between 1889 and 1900. Any help ? > Cheers > Frank > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 > 07:54 > >

Is that the George son of William and Ann or George and Margaret? Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Hastings" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys > Hi Lesley, Liz, et al, > I also have Sheffield Oxley's in my tree. > George OXLEY b1843 married Mary?? b1844 in Sheffield. Children were Emily > b1869; Ruth b1872; George b1875 and Arthur b1877. > Emily married George Critchlow b1869 from Stoney Middleton, Derbyshire > > Arthur married Sara E Barnsley b1877 from Attercliffe, Sheffield and > produced Jos Arthur OXLEY b1900 Sheffield > > Hope this may be of interest, > Kindest regards, > Kevin > > ======================================== > Message Received: May 22 2007, 01:39 PM > From: "JChatterton" > To: "Lesley Ann1963" , [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys > > Hi Lesley and Liz > > I have a Sarah OXLEY in my family. She married Samuel BRADFORD and was the > mother of my grtgrandfather Albert born 6 Feb 1850 at 43 Jericho Street, > Sheffield and he married Martha Ellen GREEN on 20 Feb 1870 and had the > following children, Sarah, Annie, Martha, Ethel, Herbert (my grandfather) > and Ruth. Albert died at 3 Kelvin Place, Sheffield. I dont have Sarah's > parents names or siblings. > > Regards > > > June Chatterton > Sheffield > www.junechatterton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk > Tracing relatives of BRADFORD, HAWLEY, LEMONS AND MITCHELL > and CHATTERTON, BENSON, FIELDSEND, KENNY/KENNEY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Ann1963" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:12 PM > Subject: [SHEFF] Oxleys > > >> Hi Liz I have Oxleys near Sheffield, don't have much info but my tree is >> called Possum Tree if you want to look. >> Lesley-in-New-Zealand >> >> Descendants of Robert Oxley >> --------------------------- >> 1-Robert Oxley b. Abt 1709, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England >> +Susan Needham b. Abt 1709, Yorkshire, England >> |--2-John Oxley c. 3 Feb 1734, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England >> |--2-Anne Oxley c. 25 Dec 1735, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, >> England >> |--2-Robert Oxley c. 11 Dec 1737, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Joseph Oxley c. 27 Jan 1740, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Sarah Oxley c. 16 Jun 1742, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Hannah Oxley b. 1744, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, c. > 10 >> | Mar 1745, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. 17 Apr 1802, Yorkshire, >> | England >> | +Thomas Chambers b. 17 Jan 1745, Rawmarsh, Rotherham, Yorkshire, >> England, >> | c. 21 Feb 1745, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. 4 Jan 1817, >> Yorkshire, En >> | gland >> | |--3-Thomas Chambers b. 26 Mar 1771, Yorkshire, England, d. 16 Oct > 1814, >> | | Sheffield, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Robert Chambers b. 21 Aug 1774, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-William Chambers b. 23 Mar 1775, Yorkshire, England, d. 23 Nov > 1810, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Matthew Chambers b. 17 Sep 1776, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. >> 26 >> | | Jan 1828, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-James Chambers b. 12 Mar 1779, Yorkshire, England, d. 4 Sep 1839, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Joseph Chambers b. 17 Jan 1783, Yorkshire, England, d. 3 Mar 1834, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> |--2-George Oxley c. 17 Jan 1752, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> --------------------------- >> Alternate email, only if needed: [email protected] >> >> Names being researched: >> ARCHBOLD dub/ire; BARTLETT, EARWICKER, RAPSON, WOOLVEN, WRAPSON ssx/eng; >> BROOKER kent/eng; CHAMBERS yks/eng; FERRIS lond/eng; NOYCE, SEARLE >> hants/eng, ORSMOND tahiti; WARD shrop/eng; FINLEY derby/eng; STRANG, >> GOODWIN stirling/scot; TINKLER cumbria/eng; CAMPBELL, ROWLAND, BENNETT >> eng>nz >> >> "But as for me, my contentment is not in wealth but in seeing you and >> knowing that all is well between us. And when I awake in heaven, I will > be >> fully satisfied, for I will see you face to face." Psalm 17:15 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 > 07:54 > >

Hi Lesley, Liz, et al, I also have Sheffield Oxley's in my tree. George OXLEY b1843 married Mary?? b1844 in Sheffield. Children were Emily b1869; Ruth b1872; George b1875 and Arthur b1877. Emily married George Critchlow b1869 from Stoney Middleton, Derbyshire Arthur married Sara E Barnsley b1877 from Attercliffe, Sheffield and produced Jos Arthur OXLEY b1900 Sheffield Hope this may be of interest, Kindest regards, Kevin ======================================== Message Received: May 22 2007, 01:39 PM From: "JChatterton" To: "Lesley Ann1963" , [email protected] Cc: Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys Hi Lesley and Liz I have a Sarah OXLEY in my family. She married Samuel BRADFORD and was the mother of my grtgrandfather Albert born 6 Feb 1850 at 43 Jericho Street, Sheffield and he married Martha Ellen GREEN on 20 Feb 1870 and had the following children, Sarah, Annie, Martha, Ethel, Herbert (my grandfather) and Ruth. Albert died at 3 Kelvin Place, Sheffield. I dont have Sarah's parents names or siblings. Regards June Chatterton Sheffield www.junechatterton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Tracing relatives of BRADFORD, HAWLEY, LEMONS AND MITCHELL and CHATTERTON, BENSON, FIELDSEND, KENNY/KENNEY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lesley Ann1963" To: Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:12 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Oxleys > Hi Liz I have Oxleys near Sheffield, don't have much info but my tree is > called Possum Tree if you want to look. > Lesley-in-New-Zealand > > Descendants of Robert Oxley > --------------------------- > 1-Robert Oxley b. Abt 1709, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England > +Susan Needham b. Abt 1709, Yorkshire, England > |--2-John Oxley c. 3 Feb 1734, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England > |--2-Anne Oxley c. 25 Dec 1735, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England > |--2-Robert Oxley c. 11 Dec 1737, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England > |--2-Joseph Oxley c. 27 Jan 1740, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England > |--2-Sarah Oxley c. 16 Jun 1742, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England > |--2-Hannah Oxley b. 1744, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, c. 10 > | Mar 1745, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. 17 Apr 1802, Yorkshire, > | England > | +Thomas Chambers b. 17 Jan 1745, Rawmarsh, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England, > | c. 21 Feb 1745, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. 4 Jan 1817, > Yorkshire, En > | gland > | |--3-Thomas Chambers b. 26 Mar 1771, Yorkshire, England, d. 16 Oct 1814, > | | Sheffield, Yorkshire, England > | |--3-Robert Chambers b. 21 Aug 1774, Yorkshire, England > | |--3-William Chambers b. 23 Mar 1775, Yorkshire, England, d. 23 Nov 1810, > | | Yorkshire, England > | |--3-Matthew Chambers b. 17 Sep 1776, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. > 26 > | | Jan 1828, Yorkshire, England > | |--3-James Chambers b. 12 Mar 1779, Yorkshire, England, d. 4 Sep 1839, > | | Yorkshire, England > | |--3-Joseph Chambers b. 17 Jan 1783, Yorkshire, England, d. 3 Mar 1834, > | | Yorkshire, England > |--2-George Oxley c. 17 Jan 1752, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England > --------------------------- > Alternate email, only if needed: [email protected] > > Names being researched: > ARCHBOLD dub/ire; BARTLETT, EARWICKER, RAPSON, WOOLVEN, WRAPSON ssx/eng; > BROOKER kent/eng; CHAMBERS yks/eng; FERRIS lond/eng; NOYCE, SEARLE > hants/eng, ORSMOND tahiti; WARD shrop/eng; FINLEY derby/eng; STRANG, > GOODWIN stirling/scot; TINKLER cumbria/eng; CAMPBELL, ROWLAND, BENNETT > eng>nz > > "But as for me, my contentment is not in wealth but in seeing you and > knowing that all is well between us. And when I awake in heaven, I will be > fully satisfied, for I will see you face to face." Psalm 17:15 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a Mary Emma Oxley b.Dec 1865 m. Frank Chadwick Dec 1885 in Sheffield. They had 4 little Chadwicks between 1889 and 1900. Any help ? Cheers Frank

As Sarah was 40 in 1851 and there's no reason to suppose this was the wrong age, then she would be the Sarah OXLEY daughter of Thomas and Hannah born and baptised 1811. She married Samuel BRADFORD 10 MAR 1828. It looks like this could well be the right family. In the 1841 census Hannah OXLEY is living a couple of doors away and is independent. Did Thomas OXLEY marry Hannah JEPSON in Rotherham in 1808? Unfortunately OXLEYs a very common name in the Sheffield and Rotherham areas. Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery ----- Original Message ----- From: "JChatterton" <[email protected]> To: "Lesley Ann1963" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:55 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys > Hi Lesley and Liz > > I have a Sarah OXLEY in my family. She married Samuel BRADFORD and was > the > mother of my grtgrandfather Albert born 6 Feb 1850 at 43 Jericho Street, > Sheffield and he married Martha Ellen GREEN on 20 Feb 1870 and had the > following children, Sarah, Annie, Martha, Ethel, Herbert (my grandfather) > and Ruth. Albert died at 3 Kelvin Place, Sheffield. I dont have Sarah's > parents names or siblings. > > Regards > > > June Chatterton > Sheffield > www.junechatterton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk > Tracing relatives of BRADFORD, HAWLEY, LEMONS AND MITCHELL > and CHATTERTON, BENSON, FIELDSEND, KENNY/KENNEY > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lesley Ann1963" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 11:12 PM > Subject: [SHEFF] Oxleys > > >> Hi Liz I have Oxleys near Sheffield, don't have much info but my tree is >> called Possum Tree if you want to look. >> Lesley-in-New-Zealand >> >> Descendants of Robert Oxley >> --------------------------- >> 1-Robert Oxley b. Abt 1709, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England >> +Susan Needham b. Abt 1709, Yorkshire, England >> |--2-John Oxley c. 3 Feb 1734, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England >> |--2-Anne Oxley c. 25 Dec 1735, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, >> England >> |--2-Robert Oxley c. 11 Dec 1737, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Joseph Oxley c. 27 Jan 1740, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Sarah Oxley c. 16 Jun 1742, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> |--2-Hannah Oxley b. 1744, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, c. > 10 >> | Mar 1745, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. 17 Apr 1802, Yorkshire, >> | England >> | +Thomas Chambers b. 17 Jan 1745, Rawmarsh, Rotherham, Yorkshire, >> England, >> | c. 21 Feb 1745, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, d. 4 Jan 1817, >> Yorkshire, En >> | gland >> | |--3-Thomas Chambers b. 26 Mar 1771, Yorkshire, England, d. 16 Oct > 1814, >> | | Sheffield, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Robert Chambers b. 21 Aug 1774, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-William Chambers b. 23 Mar 1775, Yorkshire, England, d. 23 Nov > 1810, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Matthew Chambers b. 17 Sep 1776, Rotherham, Yorkshire, England, >> d. >> 26 >> | | Jan 1828, Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-James Chambers b. 12 Mar 1779, Yorkshire, England, d. 4 Sep 1839, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> | |--3-Joseph Chambers b. 17 Jan 1783, Yorkshire, England, d. 3 Mar >> 1834, >> | | Yorkshire, England >> |--2-George Oxley c. 17 Jan 1752, Greasbrough, Rotherham, Yorkshire, > England >> --------------------------- >> Alternate email, only if needed: [email protected] >> >> Names being researched: >> ARCHBOLD dub/ire; BARTLETT, EARWICKER, RAPSON, WOOLVEN, WRAPSON ssx/eng; >> BROOKER kent/eng; CHAMBERS yks/eng; FERRIS lond/eng; NOYCE, SEARLE >> hants/eng, ORSMOND tahiti; WARD shrop/eng; FINLEY derby/eng; STRANG, >> GOODWIN stirling/scot; TINKLER cumbria/eng; CAMPBELL, ROWLAND, BENNETT >> eng>nz >> >> "But as for me, my contentment is not in wealth but in seeing you and >> knowing that all is well between us. And when I awake in heaven, I will > be >> fully satisfied, for I will see you face to face." Psalm 17:15 >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 > 07:54 >

Hello List, Re the thread of the Oxley family, I have a connection to a Frederick Oxley, b. Sheffield 1855, who married Caroline Johnson Jun 1877 in Sheffield; she was the daughter of my 2 Xs great grandfather Robert Johnson, a 'Joiner' born in Hull, who moved to Sheffield with his wife, Elizabeth Johnson nee` Thundercliffe...they had children both in Hull and Sheffield. Caroline Johnson was born in Sheffield. Frederick Oxley was an edge tool striker. He was living at the time of the 1881 census at 89 Hodgson St. Ecclesall Bierlow. He was living with his wife Caroline, his 1 month old son James, and his brother William Oxley who was 27 years old. William's wife was named Clara, she was 28 years old. Their children were Son John 7 years, Harriett 5 years, Polly 2 years and William 7 months. Hope this adds to the equation... Kindest regards, Josephine Ontario, Canada. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley > Let's keep the OXLEYS going then!!!!! This is a "Twig" whereas Hannah was my direct line. > > George H. OXLEY married Lucy E. HARTLAND 1Q 1913 in Rotherham. > Son Leslie OXLEY 3Q 1916 Rotherham m. Constance Olive PORTER 1Q 1937 and d. 3Q 1974 in Birmingham > I have them up to date. > > They are attached to my granddaughter's REYNOLDs family from Masborough and Doncaster. > > Cheers > LIZ > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Hastings > To: Liz > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley > > > OK Liz if you insist. > > I held back these other OXLEY's becuase of the significant number of known unknowns :-) > > John OXLEY b1788 Sheffield married ?? > > They produced Edward OXLEY b1811 Sheffield and Mary OXLEY b1823 Rotherham. > > Mary may have had an illegitimate son but definietly married William WELLS b1821 Retford, Notts. > > Son of Mary, James OXLEY b1847 Rotherham went on to marry (10 April 1887) Charlotte SAYLES b?? Rotherham. > > Not sure whether these are connected with my other OXLEY's though. > > Regards, > > Kevin > > > ======================================== > Message Received: May 22 2007, 04:39 PM > From: "Liz" > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley > > We're doing OK so far but, please someone, come up with some older OXLEYS!!! > Has anyone found a new connection with all these OXLEYs going around? > > Cheers > LIZ > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Turner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:46 PM > Subject: [SHEFF] Oxley > > > >I have a Mary Emma Oxley b.Dec 1865 m. Frank Chadwick Dec 1885 in > >Sheffield. > > They had 4 little Chadwicks between 1889 and 1900. Any help ? > > Cheers > > Frank > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 > > 07:54 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 07:54 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hugh Waterhouse wrote: > hello Megan, > > Could this be the site you are thinking of?: > > http://www.yorkfamilyhistory.org.uk/assizes.htm > > There isn't a John DAVIS there who fits the dates on the exile/convict index > (nor can I find entries for Hague and Wright). If the trial was in Sheffield > it was probably the West Ridings Quarter Sessions as Sheffield never had an > assize of its own. > > Hugh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: "Hugh Waterhouse" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] JOHN DAVIS CONVICT > > > Yes it was typical for there to be a delay between sentencing and > transportation - between 1846 and 1850. Transportation had pretty much > stopped, but in those few years, convicts served part of their time in > prison in England and were then granted a conditional pardon or ticket of > leave on arrival in Aust. It was a good choice is you wanted to get out > early I guess. > Judy, I know I found a website where some of the trials from Yorkshire > were listed, but am having trouble finding it again. I will keep looking. > Megan > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > Hi, I did some research on a convict from Sheffield and his trial was at-- Surrey Assizes---- May help you Kind Regards Kay from Melbourne

Hi Alice, Before civil registration in 1837 you have to rely on parish records of births, marriages and deaths, which started around 1550. Unfortunately, even though the incumbent was supposed to maintain clear and complete records (legislation introduced by Elizabeth I), this didn't always happen and pr's are almost nowhere complete either in terms of individuals or data (which tended to get shorted as it was transcribed). For deaths there are probate records (assuming your ancestors left a will) or burial records (National Burial Index on cd) or the pr's held in records offices. Many baptism and marriage records have been filmed by the Mormons (they don't seem as interested in deaths) and have been transferred to the International Genealogical Index (IGI); the IGI records are often "contaminated" by personal entries from LDS members who think they've linked to a particular individual and it's better to use the confirmed extraction series, which only contain, as it says, records which have been confirmed. A useful site for these is http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#Page otherwise the LDS's own site (http://www.familysearch.org/) may help you further. If you know where your ancestors were born and married, a visit to the district registry office and searches through the copies of pr's they hold is extremely useful (and often the only way to get real confirmation of your data). HTH John Green Velp, The Netherlands Alice Jones wrote: > Hello All, > > This is my first time on the site. Can anyone advise me how to go about finding out about parish records from before 1837? > I've managed to trace my grandparents' families back to that date, but now I'm stuck, because I don't know how to progress > from here. > I should be very grateful for any help you can give. > > Alice > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Alice, why don't you give us the names you are looking for. Someone may then be able to help you. Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > Alice Jones wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> This is my first time on the site. Can anyone advise me how to go about >> finding out about parish records from before 1837? >> I've managed to trace my grandparents' families back to that date, but >> now I'm stuck, because I don't know how to progress >> from here. >> I should be very grateful for any help you can give. >> >> Alice

Hello All, This is my first time on the site. Can anyone advise me how to go about finding out about parish records from before 1837? I've managed to trace my grandparents' families back to that date, but now I'm stuck, because I don't know how to progress from here. I should be very grateful for any help you can give. Alice

Hi Liz, I know LDS are (supposedly and presumably eventually) transcribing the Cathedral pr's after 1813 but St George, St Mary & St Philip were Millennium churches and some of the confirmed IGI records extend to 1870. St George's opened for baptisms in 1825, burials from 1830, St Mary baptised and buried from 1829, St Philips baptised and buried from 1828. Has no-one transcribed these pr's to a searchable database for the period before 1837? Regards John Liz wrote: The only church available in Sheffield in the period that is recorded in the IGI was the Cathedral so I think it's unlikely that the other churches will be recorded. You can, however, obtain the Marriage Certificates for the marriages after September 1837 so there is really no need for the IGI to record those marriages. You can find the matching brides and grooms on Rootsweb FreeBMD. A CD can be obtained for £10+ VAT and as you will see, the other churches didn't have permission for marriages - only the Cathedral was licenced for marriages. Sheffield Marriage Indexes: St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral) Oct. 1735- Nov. 1851, St James Apr. 1849- Dec. 1940, St Jude Aug. 1855-Jul. 1938 & St Paul Aug. 1848- Nov.1937 Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery Penzance Transcribing Cornwall Constabulary from 1857 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Green" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] IGI baptisms > Hi all, > > Is there a specific reason why Sheffield parishes are so poorly > represented on the IGI confirmed extractions for baptisms and marriages? > I know the LDS has been granted permission by the bishop to film the > Cathedral outside the periods noted on Hugh Wallis' site, but what about > all the other churches that aren't on the list (St Philip's, St George > Portobello, St Jude's, St Luke's etc.) > > Does anyone know if there are any plans afoot to film and extract these > parishes? > > John Green > Velp, The Netherlands > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: > 20/05/2007 07:54 > >

St Philip's - Baptisms in 1828 - 3. 1829 - 27. 1830 - 15 baptisms. Burials Index can be obtained on this site http://www.genfair.com/shop/pages/she/page02.html which you can purchase for £10 + VAT Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Green" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:37 PM Subject: [SHEFF] IGI baptisms Hi Liz, I know LDS are (supposedly and presumably eventually) transcribing the Cathedral pr's after 1813 but St George, St Mary & St Philip were Millennium churches and some of the confirmed IGI records extend to 1870. St George's opened for baptisms in 1825, burials from 1830, St Mary baptised and buried from 1829, St Philips baptised and buried from 1828. Has no-one transcribed these pr's to a searchable database for the period before 1837? Regards John Liz wrote: The only church available in Sheffield in the period that is recorded in the IGI was the Cathedral so I think it's unlikely that the other churches will be recorded. You can, however, obtain the Marriage Certificates for the marriages after September 1837 so there is really no need for the IGI to record those marriages. You can find the matching brides and grooms on Rootsweb FreeBMD. A CD can be obtained for £10+ VAT and as you will see, the other churches didn't have permission for marriages - only the Cathedral was licenced for marriages. Sheffield Marriage Indexes: St Peter & St Paul (Cathedral) Oct. 1735- Nov. 1851, St James Apr. 1849- Dec. 1940, St Jude Aug. 1855-Jul. 1938 & St Paul Aug. 1848- Nov.1937 Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery Penzance Transcribing Cornwall Constabulary from 1857 ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Green" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] IGI baptisms > Hi all, > > Is there a specific reason why Sheffield parishes are so poorly > represented on the IGI confirmed extractions for baptisms and marriages? > I know the LDS has been granted permission by the bishop to film the > Cathedral outside the periods noted on Hugh Wallis' site, but what about > all the other churches that aren't on the list (St Philip's, St George > Portobello, St Jude's, St Luke's etc.) > > Does anyone know if there are any plans afoot to film and extract these > parishes? > > John Green > Velp, The Netherlands > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: > 20/05/2007 07:54 > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 07:54

Hi June Could be relatives, but my tree does not stretch that far down so can't tell. Worth noting though :) Lesley-in-New-Zealand Alternate email, only if needed: [email protected] Names being researched: ARCHBOLD dub/ire; BARTLETT, EARWICKER, RAPSON, WOOLVEN, WRAPSON ssx/eng; BROOKER kent/eng; CHAMBERS yks/eng; FERRIS lond/eng; NOYCE, SEARLE hants/eng, ORSMOND tahiti; WARD shrop/eng; FINLEY derby/eng; STRANG, GOODWIN stirling/scot; TINKLER cumbria/eng; CAMPBELL, ROWLAND, BENNETT eng>nz "But as for me, my contentment is not in wealth but in seeing you and knowing that all is well between us. And when I awake in heaven, I will be fully satisfied, for I will see you face to face." Psalm 17:15 ----- Original Message ----- From: "JChatterton" <[email protected]> To: "Lesley Ann1963" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxleys > Hi Lesley and Liz > > I have a Sarah OXLEY in my family. She married Samuel BRADFORD and was > the > mother of my grtgrandfather Albert born 6 Feb 1850 at 43 Jericho Street, > Sheffield and he married Martha Ellen GREEN on 20 Feb 1870 and had the > following children, Sarah, Annie, Martha, Ethel, Herbert (my grandfather) > and Ruth. Albert died at 3 Kelvin Place, Sheffield. I dont have Sarah's > parents names or siblings. > > Regards > > > June Chatterton > Sheffield

hello Megan, Could this be the site you are thinking of?: http://www.yorkfamilyhistory.org.uk/assizes.htm There isn't a John DAVIS there who fits the dates on the exile/convict index (nor can I find entries for Hague and Wright). If the trial was in Sheffield it was probably the West Ridings Quarter Sessions as Sheffield never had an assize of its own. Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Hugh Waterhouse" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] JOHN DAVIS CONVICT Yes it was typical for there to be a delay between sentencing and transportation - between 1846 and 1850. Transportation had pretty much stopped, but in those few years, convicts served part of their time in prison in England and were then granted a conditional pardon or ticket of leave on arrival in Aust. It was a good choice is you wanted to get out early I guess. Judy, I know I found a website where some of the trials from Yorkshire were listed, but am having trouble finding it again. I will keep looking. Megan

Hi all, Is there a specific reason why Sheffield parishes are so poorly represented on the IGI confirmed extractions for baptisms and marriages? I know the LDS has been granted permission by the bishop to film the Cathedral outside the periods noted on Hugh Wallis' site, but what about all the other churches that aren't on the list (St Philip's, St George Portobello, St Jude's, St Luke's etc.) Does anyone know if there are any plans afoot to film and extract these parishes? John Green Velp, The Netherlands

Who were the convict exiles? Convict transportation to New South Wales effectively ceased in 1842 but between 1849-50 exiles were transported. Exiles had served part of their sentence in a penitentiary in Britain and were granted a conditional pardon or ticket of leave on arrival in the Colony. Convict Exiles transported on the following ships are included in this index: Adelaide, Anna Maria, Bangalore, Eden, Hashemy, Havering, Joseph Somes, Mt Stewart Elphinstone, Maitland, Marion, Thomas Arbuthnot and Randolph. This might explain why John Davis did not do much yime in prison. Regards Judy