Thankyou to a number of other people whotold me about "Picture Sheffield" . A useful site. I have enjoyed looking myself and forwarded the site to my relative in Australia. Thankyou. Barbara

Hello Sheffield List: I'm subscribing to this list because I have an elusive ancestor who was born in Lancashire County but died in Sheffield, East Brightside. His name is Matthew PYRE b. 1860 d. 1918. He is my great grandfather but was never married to my great grandmother even though they had two children together. He was living with a woman from Sheffield named Sarah E. in 1891. By 1894 he was living with my great grandmother, had a daughter named Sabina in 1895 and 3 months before the birth of my grandmother in 1897 they separated. He was to have taken custody of Sabina but in the 1901 census he was back living with Sarah E. and there was no sign of Sabina. Interestingly there was, in 1901, a son named Albert, 8 yrs old, born in Sheffield. It makes me think Sarah E. was pregnant in 1893, left Matthew, and went back to Sheffield to have the baby. Matthew and Sarah E. had a couple more kids as well. A boy named Sam in 1898 and a girl name May in 1904. He also had kids from a previous marriage born in Wharfedale and Holbeck. My assumption is, because he died in Sheffield, that Sarah E. took him back to her hometown when he became ill. I have never found a death record or burial or anything. I got the information on his death from a relative who is a member of the LDS church. If anyone on this list recognizes these names or the story or can offer any advice with regard to finding death records, I would be very grateful. His other children from previous marriage are Jane PYRE , Elizabeth PYRE (married Fred Parker) both born in Holbeck. The two boys born in Wharfedale died while very young. Thank you Tracey B

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There's a photo of Zion Congregational Church, Zion Lane, Attercliffe on ww.sheffieldvillages.co.uk Sorry don't know how make a link........ But the photo is great.

It's a Congregational Church!! Sorry to disappoint your uncle! Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 6:49 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Zion chapel, Attercliffe > My Uncle has found a marriage certificate for 1912 for the marriage of my > great grandparents at the Zion Chapel Attercliffe. > > Does anyone have any information regarding the chapel? He is convinced > that we have Jewish blood in our line and we are wondering if the Zion > Chapel > could be confirmation of this. > > Thank you in advance. > > Jill (Edwardes) > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.0/821 - Release Date: 27/05/2007 > 15:05 > >

In a message dated 28/05/2007 18:50:18 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: My Uncle has found a marriage certificate for 1912 for the marriage of my great grandparents at the Zion Chapel Attercliffe. Does anyone have any information regarding the chapel? He is convinced that we have Jewish blood in our line and we are wondering if the Zion Chapel could be confirmation of this. Hi This Chapel's full name was Zion Congregationalist Chapel, and as such was not of the Jewish Faith. Regards JUDY ELKINGTON [W.R.Yorkshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com [email protected] www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

My Uncle has found a marriage certificate for 1912 for the marriage of my great grandparents at the Zion Chapel Attercliffe. Does anyone have any information regarding the chapel? He is convinced that we have Jewish blood in our line and we are wondering if the Zion Chapel could be confirmation of this. Thank you in advance. Jill (Edwardes)

Jos followed by a little 'h' could also be Josiah! Hilary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Whitehead" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Josh shorthand for Joseph | Thanks to all who have replied on this, your responses | have been most helpful. | | Jonathan | | | -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 1017 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

This abbreviation could also be Josiah... Jane Howard Charlotte, North Carolina CARLISLE, CUCKSON, HOPKINS, NOONE, SHILLITO, STORE, TASH, WALKER ____________________________________________________________________________________ TV dinner still cooling? Check out "Tonight's Picks" on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/

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Hi Johnathan I too have found entries using the shorthand Josh and in my case there were two brothers Joseph and Joshua. Most confusing. BMD records helped to sort them out. Cheers Frank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Whitehead" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Josh shorthand for Joseph > Dear List, > > I have a census entry for a Josh Glossop where I > cannot find a corresponding birth record as either > Josh or Joshua(h) and I'm left wondering if the name > could actually be a shorthand version of Joseph. The > name is written Jos and then a superscript h over a > dash, you can see the actual image here :- > > http://tinyurl.com/2htb52 > > what do other people think? > > Regards, > > Jonathan > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your > email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.7/816 - Release Date: 23/05/2007 > 15:59 > >

Hi Jonathon Not an expert but I would say its been abbreviated for Joseph. June Chatterton Sheffield www.junechatterton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Tracing relatives of BRADFORD, HAWLEY, LEMONS AND MITCHELL and CHATTERTON, BENSON, FIELDSEND, KENNY/KENNEY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonathan Whitehead" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2007 10:38 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Josh shorthand for Joseph > Dear List, > > I have a census entry for a Josh Glossop where I > cannot find a corresponding birth record as either > Josh or Joshua(h) and I'm left wondering if the name > could actually be a shorthand version of Joseph. The > name is written Jos and then a superscript h over a > dash, you can see the actual image here :- > > http://tinyurl.com/2htb52 > > what do other people think? > > Regards, > > Jonathan > > > > > ___________________________________________________________ > What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. > http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, I have a census entry for a Josh Glossop where I cannot find a corresponding birth record as either Josh or Joshua(h) and I'm left wondering if the name could actually be a shorthand version of Joseph. The name is written Jos and then a superscript h over a dash, you can see the actual image here :- http://tinyurl.com/2htb52 what do other people think? Regards, Jonathan ___________________________________________________________ What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

In a message dated 25/05/2007 10:45:53 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I have a census entry for a Josh Glossop where I cannot find a corresponding birth record as either Josh or Joshua(h) and I'm left wondering if the name could actually be a shorthand version of Joseph. The name is written Jos and then a superscript h over a dash, you can see the actual image here :- Hi I think it is a very reasonable assumption but could it be that the enumerator wrote Josh or could he have written Jos. Make sure on the census as it could be a girl of a boy. Jos/Josy is used often for a girl. Regards JUDY ELKINGTON [W.R.Yorkshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com [email protected] www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

My mother - born Florence Anita Crossland, Chapel en le Frith, Derbyshire, April 27th 1911 12 brothers and sisters, including male twins born in Chapel, December 1908. The remainder registered in Sheffield or Ecclesall Bierlow, between 1891 and 1906 My grandmother - Eliza Ann Warrington, born Sheffield 1872. Grandmother's family - My great grandmother - Ellen Howard, born Sheffield 1851 My great great grandparents- James Howard and Ellen Howard (formerly Morton) - both born about 1819, Sheffield My great grandfather - Francis William Warrington, born Sheffield 1851 My great great grandparents - William Warrington and Rebecca Warrington (Edley, Sheffield 1826) My grandfather - Ralph Lincoln Crossland, born Sheffield 1866. Married 1889. Grandfather's family - My great grandfather - John Crossland, born Sheffield 1833 My great grandmother - Jane Davies, born in Gainsborough Lincolnshire. 1832. Perhaps John's father was Joseph born about 1802, But I don't know this for sure. After this I've come to a standstill. Any suggestions, please? Alice My grandfather- Ralph Lincoln Crossland, born Sheffield 1866.

Hi Angela No i dont thik so. Any help would be great,Sheffield Sessions court of the January quarter on 11/1/1847 This is what i have to look for. Regards Judy Beggs

Dear List, 18 months on, mostly searching within B'ham, and my Great Grandfather still has all the characteristics of Houdini. I’d greatly appreciate any help whatsoever. Knowns: Thomas Owen Hastings was born in either 1874 (from his death certificate) or 1872 from his marriage cert. He married Louisa Ann Nerney on 22 Dec 1893 at Parish Church, Bishop Ryder, Birmingham, Warks. He was 21, she 19, residence given as Legge Street. Witnesses were Joseph Marsh and Mary Ann Shale. Louisa Ann Nerney was born 27 Aug 1876 in St Thomas, Birmingham and died 30 Oct 1955 in Sheffield Thomas used his middle name of Owen only on two occasions and his father Thomas was an Ostler. Thomas and Louisa had 8 children, Thomas William b4 Apr 1895 and Alfred Howard b29 Sept 1895, both born in Ladywood district with home address of Back 153, St Vincent Street. Thomas was a Brass Caster at this time. Sometime after 1897 and before 1900, Thomas and Louisa then moved to Sheffield and had William Henry Hastings b1900, Harold Joseph b1903, Florence b1906, Harry Charles b1907, Gladys Miriam b1914 and Doris Hilda b1921. Whilst living in Sheffield, Thomas was initially an Iron Moulder and then a Steel Moulder. Thomas died on 23 August 1958 in Sheffield aged 84 years. Having found his marriage and death certificates, plus all of his childrens birth certificates, his own birth certificate and baptism remain a mystery. A brickwall for sure. I've even tried researching Louisa Nerney and in order to discover a little more about Thomas but hit another wall. It is obviously proving impossible to get beyond Thomas Great Grandfather until I can find some reference to his parents. It's possible that Thomas's employer and/or trade union in Sheffield could cast some light on him but initial forays into this area hasn't been great. Any tips/guidance/inspiration or better a breakthrough would be v much appreciated. Regards,

I like to thank everyone who is trying to help me with JOHN DAVIS. Regards Judy Beggs Australia

Thanks Liz, The 'post-it' idea is a good one which I shall adopt (oops that's another word we don't like) Now the younger Elizabeth I know a little bit about! She was the daughter of Jabez Oxley of Barnsley & Elizabeth Young of Masbrough. Interestingly their eldest daughter Jane married John Asquith - an Organist and teacher of Music. Going back to John Arthur Rodgers (6 in 1871) - what did he become? An Organist and teacher of Music. Also in the early 1900's he was assistant director of the Sheffield Music Society. Strange - or perhaps not??? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <[email protected]> To: "KEVIN SUTTON" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley > Yes, I can quite understand that Kevin...but by airing them like this we > are more likely to find the solutions. I don't know about you but I've > started putting "Post its" on Rootsweb FreeBMD. I put the information > that I have from the Birth, Marriage and Death Certificates along with my > email address so that people can see who belongs to who. ie if I put the > marriage details on there and someone goes to look for a connection they > will find the two missing people must therefore be married. Also, I put > the parents of children from the Birth Certificates...the more information > we all put on there the more we are likely to find these difficult people. > I've also found that families intermarried more than we might imagine. I > was doing a One Name Study on a Cornish family recently and I found that > they had intermarried with other local families on numerous occasions and > one family had intermarried with them 6 times!! > > Don't worry, you will get there in the end. What a shame the younger > Elizabeth (age 34 in 1871) was born before Registration...grr. > > Cheers > LIZ > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "KEVIN SUTTON" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 8:04 PM > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley > > >> Oxley's! >> I hate them! >> OK, It's not their fault but they are causing me a merry dance... >> In the 1861 census I have John and Elizabeth Rodgers, 40 & 29, son John, >> 18, >> & William Oxley - Brother in Law. it seems likely that Elizabeth must be >> an >> Oxley and this appears to be backed up by the 1860 Barnsley marriage of >> John >> Rodgers (39, widower) and Elizabeth Oxley (28, spinster). >> Then along comes the 1871 census and my world turns upside down... >> John and Elizabeth Rodgers 28 & 34, along with boys Edward William and >> John >> Arthur 9 & 6 - This has to be the son, right! >> However a purchase of both the boys birth cert's reveal that this >> Elizabeth >> is also an Oxley, but who is she! >> The 1881 census is no help at all, in fact it chucks in it's own >> mystery - >> Elizabeth is now a widow (42), Edward W (19) and John A (16) are there >> too >> so it's the same family - but who is Emma Jackson, Aunt, 67, born >> Rotherham? - She could provide the key but I can't identify her in any >> other >> census. >> So therefore Oxley's - I hate them! (sorry) >> Kevin >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Liz" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Cc: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:26 PM >> Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley >> >> >>> Let's keep the OXLEYS going then!!!!! This is a "Twig" whereas Hannah >>> was >>> my direct line. >>> >>> George H. OXLEY married Lucy E. HARTLAND 1Q 1913 in Rotherham. >>> Son Leslie OXLEY 3Q 1916 Rotherham m. Constance Olive PORTER 1Q 1937 and >>> d. 3Q 1974 in Birmingham >>> I have them up to date. >>> >>> They are attached to my granddaughter's REYNOLDs family from Masborough >>> and Doncaster. >>> >>> Cheers >>> LIZ >>> www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Kevin Hastings >>> To: Liz >>> Cc: [email protected] >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:16 PM >>> Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley >>> >>> >>> OK Liz if you insist. >>> >>> I held back these other OXLEY's becuase of the significant number of >>> known unknowns :-) >>> >>> John OXLEY b1788 Sheffield married ?? >>> >>> They produced Edward OXLEY b1811 Sheffield and Mary OXLEY b1823 >>> Rotherham. >>> >>> Mary may have had an illegitimate son but definietly married William >>> WELLS b1821 Retford, Notts. >>> >>> Son of Mary, James OXLEY b1847 Rotherham went on to marry (10 April >>> 1887) >>> Charlotte SAYLES b?? Rotherham. >>> >>> Not sure whether these are connected with my other OXLEY's though. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Kevin >>> >>> >>> ======================================== >>> Message Received: May 22 2007, 04:39 PM >>> From: "Liz" >>> To: [email protected] >>> Cc: >>> Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley >>> >>> We're doing OK so far but, please someone, come up with some older >>> OXLEYS!!! >>> Has anyone found a new connection with all these OXLEYs going around? >>> >>> Cheers >>> LIZ >>> www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Frank Turner" >>> To: >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:46 PM >>> Subject: [SHEFF] Oxley >>> >>> >>> >I have a Mary Emma Oxley b.Dec 1865 m. Frank Chadwick Dec 1885 in >>> >Sheffield. >>> > They had 4 little Chadwicks between 1889 and 1900. 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Oxley's! I hate them! OK, It's not their fault but they are causing me a merry dance... In the 1861 census I have John and Elizabeth Rodgers, 40 & 29, son John, 18, & William Oxley - Brother in Law. it seems likely that Elizabeth must be an Oxley and this appears to be backed up by the 1860 Barnsley marriage of John Rodgers (39, widower) and Elizabeth Oxley (28, spinster). Then along comes the 1871 census and my world turns upside down... John and Elizabeth Rodgers 28 & 34, along with boys Edward William and John Arthur 9 & 6 - This has to be the son, right! However a purchase of both the boys birth cert's reveal that this Elizabeth is also an Oxley, but who is she! The 1881 census is no help at all, in fact it chucks in it's own mystery - Elizabeth is now a widow (42), Edward W (19) and John A (16) are there too so it's the same family - but who is Emma Jackson, Aunt, 67, born Rotherham? - She could provide the key but I can't identify her in any other census. So therefore Oxley's - I hate them! (sorry) Kevin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley > Let's keep the OXLEYS going then!!!!! This is a "Twig" whereas Hannah was > my direct line. > > George H. OXLEY married Lucy E. HARTLAND 1Q 1913 in Rotherham. > Son Leslie OXLEY 3Q 1916 Rotherham m. Constance Olive PORTER 1Q 1937 and > d. 3Q 1974 in Birmingham > I have them up to date. > > They are attached to my granddaughter's REYNOLDs family from Masborough > and Doncaster. > > Cheers > LIZ > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kevin Hastings > To: Liz > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 6:16 PM > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley > > > OK Liz if you insist. > > I held back these other OXLEY's becuase of the significant number of > known unknowns :-) > > John OXLEY b1788 Sheffield married ?? > > They produced Edward OXLEY b1811 Sheffield and Mary OXLEY b1823 > Rotherham. > > Mary may have had an illegitimate son but definietly married William > WELLS b1821 Retford, Notts. > > Son of Mary, James OXLEY b1847 Rotherham went on to marry (10 April 1887) > Charlotte SAYLES b?? Rotherham. > > Not sure whether these are connected with my other OXLEY's though. > > Regards, > > Kevin > > > ======================================== > Message Received: May 22 2007, 04:39 PM > From: "Liz" > To: [email protected] > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Oxley > > We're doing OK so far but, please someone, come up with some older > OXLEYS!!! > Has anyone found a new connection with all these OXLEYs going around? > > Cheers > LIZ > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frank Turner" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 3:46 PM > Subject: [SHEFF] Oxley > > > >I have a Mary Emma Oxley b.Dec 1865 m. Frank Chadwick Dec 1885 in > >Sheffield. > > They had 4 little Chadwicks between 1889 and 1900. Any help ? > > Cheers > > Frank > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: > 20/05/2007 > > 07:54 > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/813 - Release Date: 20/05/2007 > 07:54 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/807 - Release Date: 16/05/2007 > 18:05 > >