I am assuming that the 1901 census return for John A De (Dr) Murray is your man: as he was born in Sydney, Australia presumably nothing will be found for him in England for the previous 30 years or so. I would venture to suggest that his ancestors were probably Murray (or Muray) and that he added the "de" himself. Atherstone is a place in Warwickshire: try google maps for a location: it's somewhere between Nuneaton and Sutton Coldfield. It could be a clue as to his parents' roots. JK On 8/3/07, Sheila Dixon <[email protected]> wrote: > Can I ask the members of this List if they have ever heard or seen the name > of DE MURAY. My grandfather was JOHN ATHERSTONE DE MURAY but I have > found nothing regarding the name since or before the 1901 census. He seems > to have had four children and they were all registered with the name De > Muray. So if anybody has come across the name, I would be very pleased to > hear from you. Thanks from Sheila in Australia >

Dear List, Regarding my Questionnaire about Old Family Photos in Family History Research Thanks to a great response from family historians, this survey is now closed to enable me to have enough time to analyse and write up the results. Thanks very much to all of those who took the time to complete it - now I have the fun of reading it all - but the responses look really interesting! I knew picking something family history related would be good - not just for my own interest, but because family history researchers are such a helpful and generous bunch. I still have to arrange the interviews, so if you have expressed an interest in taking part, I will be emailing you personally soon. Thanks again, Fiona Wilson N.B. If you have any further comments, please send any replies or queries to me OFF-list.

Can I ask the members of this List if they have ever heard or seen the name of DE MURAY. My grandfather was JOHN ATHERSTONE DE MURAY but I have found nothing regarding the name since or before the 1901 census. He seems to have had four children and they were all registered with the name De Muray. So if anybody has come across the name, I would be very pleased to hear from you. Thanks from Sheila in Australia

Gordon (List Admin) has kindly given permission for me to post this request on this list. Please send any queries to me OFF-list. Thanks. Questionnaire about Old Family Photos in Family History Research You are invited to complete a questionnaire which forms part of my dissertation research for my MSc in Information Management. I am interested in researching my own family history and particularly intrigued by the Victorian photo albums in our family. This has motivated me to find out more about the information needs and behaviours of family historians with special regard to old family photos (c.1840-c.1901). This questionnaire explores various aspects of the importance of old family photos to your family history research, questions about identifying and labelling old photos, and about storing both original and digital versions of these photos. To read more about the questionnaire and access it, please visit: http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=rZN_2fhfPk0ITnVhluANR89g_3d_3d Additionally I also need to interview people about this topic. If you live within driving distance from Sheffield and would be willing to participate, please contact me via [email protected] to find out what it entails (without obligation). It does not matter whether you choose to complete the survey as well or not, although if you do, please leave your contact details at the end of the survey even if you have emailed me separately. Thank you for any help you can give. Any questions can be addressed to me: Fiona Wilson MSc Information Management Student University of Sheffield, UK email: [email protected]

Hello everyone, I have just returned to the List from quite a long absence and, having a look through the archives, I spotted the posting by Dave about "Vernon" WILDGOOSE. Vernon was the illegitmate son of Ann Melland Wildgoose and, as I believe Dave has discovered, his birth was registered as Gerald WILDGOOSE in 1891. Dave tells us that the boy later changed his name to MARSHALL, which was news to me. However, it does make sense as Ann Melland's sister, Mary Jane WILDGOOSE married Robert MARSHALL. I now believe that young Gerald Vernon was "adopted" by this couple who, incidentally, has a daughter Gladys, also born in 1891. If Dave cares to e-mail me off-list, I can give him details of Gerald's ancestor back to the seventeenth century. It's good to be back! K Still on a Wildgoose Chase!

Hello Hugh, Thank you, I'm sure you've solved the mystery! Another WIDDY who really wasn't. Since posting my message I've had another look through the censuses and there are a few WIDDY variations in Yorkshire over the years, which I will investigate further. Another kind lister (thank you, Peter) told me that there are no WIDDYs in a fairly recent phone number index, but over 130 WADDYs. So far the only confirmed WIDDYs are my husband's ancestors and I think they might originally have been something else too. Perhaps Withey or Whitty, and likely from Ireland, although the WIDDY spelling stuck with Charles, who came to Australia. Charles and his three known brothers were born in different parts of Wales and their mother was Welsh, but their father Michael is a mystery man, recorded variously on the baptisms of his children as a Foreigner, a Pedlar and a Gardener. No other records have been found for him and he seems to have died before 1841 (he wasn't around for the census, nor is there a death record in the GRO indexes), certainly before 1849 when his wife was recorded as a widow on her death certificate. Anyway. I'm getting sidetracked again. Many thanks for taking the time and trouble to look, and I'm sure you're right! It helps just as much to know they weren't WIDDYs as to know they were, if that makes any sense. Cheers, Loretta <Just found this in the White's 1871 Directory, indexed at http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org Waddy, Isaiah D. (Auctionr.). 1 Bank Street Bank Buildings There are twin sons of Isaiah Danks WADDY buried 8 Sep 1870 in the General Cemetery (Sharrow). Home address Crescent Road, Sharrow. The grave owner, listed at http://www.gencem.org/ was 'Rev L.D. WADDY.' In 1881 Isaiah D. WADDY, auctioneer & valuer, is boarding in Littlehampton, Sussex. (Samuel Danks WADDY, possibly a brother of Isaiah, was elected an MP in Sheffield in a by-election in 1879 but lost in the General Election in 1880; he later became MP for Edinburgh; retired from polotics 1894 and became a County Court Judge in Sheffield). So the evidence so far suggests the 1873 reference relates to a WADDY rather than a WIDDY. It is very likely that the sale would have been advertised in the local newspapers which should confirm the name of aucutioneer. Hugh>

It's actually written as SANDERSON. Although the final 'N' is obscured by a later mark on the first page, it is clear on the next page where the youngest child Harriet (aged 3) is listed. The address is Colliers Row. ref: piece 2341 folios 400B & 401F Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "SheffGens" <[email protected]> To: "Eng-Sheffield" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [SHEFF] SAVILLE family 1851 > Hi all > > I'm searching for William & Mary SAVILLE and any family with them in the > Sheffield Park district in 1851. > > In 1841 they were at Bernard Street Pump Yard, Sheffield Park > In 1861 they were at 68 Long Henry Street, Sheffield Park > > William SAVILLE 47 > Mary SAVILLE 43 > James SAVILLE 18 > Emma SAVILLE 16 > Ann SAVILLE 13 > Sarah SAVILLE 12 > George SAVILLE 10 > > If anyone with access to the 1851 Sheffield census can help me out I would > appreciate it. > > Regards > > Gordon > List Admin: > (Sheffield)

Hi Gordon I’m not surprised you’ve had trouble finding them as they are down as SANDERA. I’ve sent you the image off list (there is also a Harriet on the next page of the census aged 3) Best wishes Pat Brighton, Sussex No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.23/924 - Release Date: 28/07/2007 15:50

Hi all Appreciate the help from one and all in finding my elusive SAVILLE family in 1851. They were eventually found living in "Collins Row" under a different name (for whatever reason). Regards Gordon List Admin: (Sheffield) Sheffield Genealogy Family & Social History http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield -------------------------------------------- Messages protected by Blueyonder PCguard Anti-Virus/Firewall protection Updated daily --------------------------------------------

That's correct Hugh, there was a family Known as SANDERSON-SAVILLE, this may explain why the name SANDERSON was written on the 1851 census. I have had many a mix up with this hyphenation of the last name. Jean Yule (nee) Saville. S. Ont. Canada It's actually written as SANDERSON. Although the final 'N' is obscured by a later mark on the first page, it is clear on the next page where the youngest child Harriet (aged 3) is listed. The address is Colliers Row. ref: piece 2341 folios 400B & 401F Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "SheffGens" <[email protected]> To: "Eng-Sheffield" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [SHEFF] SAVILLE family 1851 > Hi all > > I'm searching for William & Mary SAVILLE and any family with them in the > Sheffield Park district in 1851. > > In 1841 they were at Bernard Street Pump Yard, Sheffield Park > In 1861 they were at 68 Long Henry Street, Sheffield Park > > William SAVILLE 47 > Mary SAVILLE 43 > James SAVILLE 18 > Emma SAVILLE 16 > Ann SAVILLE 13 > Sarah SAVILLE 12 > George SAVILLE 10 > > If anyone with access to the 1851 Sheffield census can help me out I would > appreciate it. > > Regards > > Gordon > List Admin: > (Sheffield) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I'm searching for William & Mary SAVILLE and any family with them in the Sheffield Park district in 1851. In 1841 they were at Bernard Street Pump Yard, Sheffield Park In 1861 they were at 68 Long Henry Street, Sheffield Park William SAVILLE 47 Mary SAVILLE 43 James SAVILLE 18 Emma SAVILLE 16 Ann SAVILLE 13 Sarah SAVILLE 12 George SAVILLE 10 If anyone with access to the 1851 Sheffield census can help me out I would appreciate it. Regards Gordon List Admin: (Sheffield) Sheffield Genealogy Family & Social History http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~engsheffield -------------------------------------------- Messages protected by Blueyonder PCguard Anti-Virus/Firewall protection Updated daily --------------------------------------------

Just found this in the White's 1871 Directory, indexed at http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org Waddy, Isaiah D. (Auctionr.). 1 Bank Street Bank Buildings There are twin sons of Isaiah Danks WADDY buried 8 Sep 1870 in the General Cemetery (Sharrow). Home address Crescent Road, Sharrow. The grave owner, listed at http://www.gencem.org/ was 'Rev L.D. WADDY.' In 1881 Isaiah D. WADDY, auctioneer & valuer, is boarding in Littlehampton, Sussex. (Samuel Danks WADDY, possibly a brother of Isaiah, was elected an MP in Sheffield in a by-election in 1879 but lost in the General Election in 1880; he later became MP for Edinburgh; retired from polotics 1894 and became a County Court Judge in Sheffield). So the evidence so far suggests the 1873 reference relates to a WADDY rather than a WIDDY. It is very likely that the sale would have been advertised in the local newspapers which should confirm the name of aucutioneer. Hugh

Hello all, I'm new to the list and wondering if anyone can tell me who Mr WIDDY was. I've been researching the WIDDY surname for over 10 years but this is the first time I've found it in Yorkshire. I found the following reference at the Access 2 Archives site: "ARCHIVES OF THE SHEFFIELD TOWN TRUSTEES Creator(s): Town Trustees, Sheffield Deeds (with a few papers) Deeds relating to land near Crookesmoor and Bellefield St., Sheffield, acquired by the Trustees in 1873 for improvements (4099) FILE - Sale particulars [proof copy] - ref. TT/123/5 - date: 6 Aug 1873 Of plots of building land in Winter St., St. Stephen's Rd., Weston Rd., Hope St. and Latimer St., rents from premises in Weston Rd., Rockingham House in Rock St., Yew Trew Farm at Malin Bridge, and a close of land called the 'Round Field' at Malin Bridge, all in Sheffield, to be sold by auction by Mr. Widdy at his Bank St. Mart, Sheffield [The Trustees bought lot 4, as TT/123/3 above]." I have looked through the censuses for Mr WIDDY with no success and wondered if (as with so many instances of the name) it's a mistranscription of something else? Perhaps someone with local knowledge can tell me something about the properties mentioned that might provide a clue - I live in Australia so I can't check them out for myself. Any help would be much appreciated. Cheers, Loretta Melbourne, Australia

Hello Loretta, Welcome to the list! Bank Street has always been full of professionals - solicitors, accountants, insurance agents and those who service them - stationers and pubs. In White's 1879 directory (online at http://www.historicaldirectories.org) there are two auctioneers: Appleyard and Smith at 3-5 Bank Street and Wm Harvey at 13-15. No sign of a Widdy or similar. There's Wilby and Dransfield, auctioneers in the High Street which might have moved from Bank Street. Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2007 1:57 AM Subject: [SHEFF] "Mr WIDDY at his Bank St. Mart, Sheffield" > Hello all, > > I'm new to the list and wondering if anyone can tell me who Mr WIDDY was. > I've been researching the WIDDY surname for over 10 years but this is the > first time I've found it in Yorkshire. I found the following reference at > the Access 2 Archives site: > > "ARCHIVES OF THE SHEFFIELD TOWN TRUSTEES > Creator(s): Town Trustees, Sheffield > Deeds (with a few papers) > Deeds relating to land near Crookesmoor and Bellefield St., Sheffield, > acquired by the Trustees in 1873 for improvements (4099) > FILE - Sale particulars [proof copy] - ref. TT/123/5 - date: 6 Aug 1873 > Of plots of building land in Winter St., St. Stephen's Rd., Weston Rd., Hope > St. and Latimer St., rents from premises in Weston Rd., Rockingham House in > Rock St., Yew Trew Farm at Malin Bridge, and a close of land called the > 'Round Field' at Malin Bridge, all in Sheffield, to be sold by auction by > Mr. Widdy at his Bank St. Mart, Sheffield [The Trustees bought lot 4, as > TT/123/3 above]." > > I have looked through the censuses for Mr WIDDY with no success and wondered > if (as with so many instances of the name) it's a mistranscription of > something else? Perhaps someone with local knowledge can tell me something > about the properties mentioned that might provide a clue - I live in > Australia so I can't check them out for myself. > > Any help would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, > Loretta > Melbourne, Australia > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello listers I am subscribing to the list having found Norman RODGERS born 1943 in Sheffield District who is my second cousin once removed. Our common ancestors are Samuel RODGERS and his wife Mary (WALL) from Chesterfield. If anyone can put me in touch with Norman or any other member of the family, I would love to hear from them. Please contact me off list as I presume he is a living relative, so I will not add further details in order to respect his privacy. Regards, Aileen Howard (in Notts UK)

Sorry Hilary, Couldn't find anything for your Benjamin but did note a couple of others: ****************************************************** Vol 223 Folio 254 Written 12th March 1850 Passed 1st July 1850 T 1500 Benjamin MICKLETHWAITE of Sheffield, surgeon Mentions: sisters Mary Ann and Eliza MICKLETHWAITE ******************************************************* Benjamin MICKLETHWAITE of Billingley parish of Darfield May 1851 Vol 224 Folio 1247 T 600 ******************************************************* William MICKLETHWAITE of Barnsley Admin 2000 pounds Vol 225 Oct. 1851 ******************************************************* Cheers Jane -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of hilary jackson Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BOLSTERSTONE-NEWS] Look-up offer for Bolsterstone area people MICKELTHWAITE If you get the opportunity or the time, Jane, I would be keen to know if Benjamin Micklethwaite who died 17 July 1848 at Hunshelf left a will. Hilary Jackson

Vol 222 Folio 1555 Joshua MOXON of Toby Wood, Denby parish of Penistone mentions: 4 sons Thomas, Joshua, Joseph and Samuel wife Harriet daughters: Martha, wife of Benjamin REYNER ??? (not clear) wife of William WOOD Hannah Written 12th April 1849 Passed 21 June 1850 °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° The son Joshua (ca. 1817) is in my database but haven't the faintest idea why !! The son Thomas is at Toby Wood in 1851. Martha marriage on FreeBMD to Benjamin RAYNER °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Cheers Jane One Place Study A village 8 miles north of Sheffield www.bolsterstone.net Over 16,600 people in the database at WorldConnect http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?includedb=bolsterstoneorig (Bradfield, Ecclesfield, Deepcar, Stocksbridge, Hunshelf, Penistone, Midhope) °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

Noticed while looking for someone else :-) Vol. 186 Folio 235 Samuel GRAYSON of Town Field Head, chapelry of Bradfield, parish of Ecclesfield. Written 26th July 1831 Passed April 1832 mentions: friend George RONKSLEY of Rivilin Side, yeoman brother-in-law William CRAPPER of Corker Walls. my wife my children °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Think this is the 41 year old Samuel buried at Christ Church, Stannington 23rd August 1831. Can anyone confirm this ? °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°° Cheers Jane One Place Study A village 8 miles north of Sheffield www.bolsterstone.net Over 16,600 people in the database at WorldConnect http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?includedb=bolsterstoneorig (Bradfield, Ecclesfield, Deepcar, Stocksbridge, Hunshelf, Penistone, Midhope) °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°

I send you my heartfelt sympathy for the loss people are experiencing and the trauma from the terrible floods in England. We watch the World News on SBS every night and think of you all. Our thoughts are with you. Stevie Smith Perth Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Mail > > In a message dated 22/07/2007 23:00:23 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I have been getting a very small amount of mail from the list I think > there > were just four last week is it that there is no one writing or is it > this > new Vista I have got that is causing problems. > > > Don't worry. Everybody is either away or dealing with horrendous floods > in > Sheffield. It has been a big disaster area here and our steel works > have > been destroyed as the cold water flowed over the red hot furnaces > exploding > them and putting many men out of work. Many shops have lost their > entire stock > and over a 1000 people had to spend the night in the Town Hall and some > will > never be able to return to their homes and have lost everything. In > Catcliffe area of sheffield, the water was up to the roofs and the damage > will run > into billions just in Sheffield. > > Of course now many other parts of the country are under water and I think > Noah and his Ark would have been a great help as the whole country is > devasted > by horrendous floods. > > I think family history will not be on anyone's mind for a while and they > have probably lost their computers in the water. > > Regards > > JUDY ELKINGTON > [W.R.Yorkshire, England] > > www.elkingtonfamily.com > [email protected] > www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello list, I have been getting a very small amount of mail from the list I think there were just four last week is it that there is no one writing or is it this new Vista I have got that is causing problems. Regards Eileen.