Hi Ken, Don't think so. The 1902 boundary between Yorks & Derbys. ran from Dore along the railway as far as Heeley then turned east. So Bramall Lane would seem to always have been ours, lying north-west of the railway. HTH John Green Velp, The Netherlands Kenneth Littlewood wrote: > Hi > > In 1912 was Bramall Lane Football Ground half in Derbyshire, it's a > on going thing for years with Barnsley FC Supporters with old folk law > saying the Barnsley winning Goal in the Cup Final was scored in > Derbyshire. Is this fact or fiction? > > > Ken Littlewood > at Barnsley Yorkshire > > Researching > LITTLEWOOD: from KIRKBURTON/ HOLMFIRTH/ PENISTONE > CRABTREE FELKIRK/ BARNSLEY > GREAVES ECCLESFIELD/ THORPE HESLEY/BARNSLEY > STAFFORD PENISTONE/ GLOSSOP > > --------------------------------- > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >

Hi In 1912 was Bramall Lane Football Ground half in Derbyshire, it's a on going thing for years with Barnsley FC Supporters with old folk law saying the Barnsley winning Goal in the Cup Final was scored in Derbyshire. Is this fact or fiction? Ken Littlewood at Barnsley Yorkshire Researching LITTLEWOOD: from KIRKBURTON/ HOLMFIRTH/ PENISTONE CRABTREE FELKIRK/ BARNSLEY GREAVES ECCLESFIELD/ THORPE HESLEY/BARNSLEY STAFFORD PENISTONE/ GLOSSOP --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

In a message dated 15/10/2007 12:40:25 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: In 1912 was Bramall Lane Football Ground half in Derbyshire, it's a on going thing for years with Barnsley FC Supporters with old folk law saying the Barnsley winning Goal in the Cup Final was scored in Derbyshire. Is this fact or fiction? Hi I would say definitely that this is just myth or legend put about by some clever person trying to belittle the fact. Bramall Lane area has been in Sheffield for many hundreds of years. The Derbyshire Border lies many miles away from this. Regards JUDY ELKINGTON [W.R.Yorkshire, England] Born & Bred in Sheffield www.elkingtonfamily.com [email protected] www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Hello everyone, This must be a benchmark week as not a single email address has bounced! My many thanks to the many subscribers who asked me to update their email addresses. There is no form for this and I am happy to change your data, just remember to send me both your old and your new email address, in the text of the body, and I'll do the rest. You don't have to send me a list of names either. 15 names were submitted to the database this week: ARUNDEL BILTON, BUNTING CARROLL GLEDHILL HONEYMAN, HUSON JOHNSON MURPHY RENNISON, RYEHILL TWOMEY WADE, WALKER, WINDROSS Regards to all, Magdalena -- Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens List Administrator INSTRUCTIONS FOR SUBMITTING NAMES and Home Page: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ PLEASE ADDRESS ALL CORRESPONDENCE TO: [email protected]

Hi All I just thought I would send a quick reminder to everyone about the Family & Local History Day being held at Bradfield on Sunday 21st October. The event is being held in the Village hall in Low Bradfield from 10am to 4pm. Entrance is FREE and refreshments will be available. There is a very small car park at the village hall and there is a free car park on the opposite side of the stream [footbridge from the car park into the sports field where the hall is situated]. Taking part are: Bradfield Historical Society Bradfield Parish Archives & Family History Centre Hillsborough Local History Group Sheffield & District Family History Society Stannington Local History Group Stocksbridge & District Local History Society Professional Researcher Phil Ford [ReasearchingRelatives.com] Great Sheffield Flood Ancestry with Karen Lightowler! If any of you do manage to attend please make sure you come and say hello! Karen Lightowler Researching the victims of the Sheffield Flood

Join your local Freecycle list and ask if anyone has one. I recommended this to someone and they were able to pick one up. Go to http://www.freecycle.org/ and type in the town where you live and you will find a list. It's like belonging to a Rootsweb list and is absolutely wonderful. I have given away a lot of things that were cluttering up my home and it feels good...I've also been given things. Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Bradshaw" <[email protected]> To: "Sheff FHS" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:24 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Hand Fiche Reader > Hello all > > Can I ask is anyone has seen or indeed bought one of the few hand held > fiche readers on the market that seem to be mainly sold by American > companies? I was wondering about purchasing one but would like to know if > they are any good and worth the outlay, they still seem pricey for very > little? I dont particularly want to buy a large reader due to cost and > bulk (my wife would complain about more clutter!) and I haven't come > across any being thrown out by the companies discarding these old bits of > kit. I only have a few fiches that I'd like to view at home if possible. > Recommendations and opinions welcomed. > > Regards > Jon > Sheffield > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.7/1062 - Release Date: > 10/10/2007 17:11 > >

Hello all Can I ask is anyone has seen or indeed bought one of the few hand held fiche readers on the market that seem to be mainly sold by American companies? I was wondering about purchasing one but would like to know if they are any good and worth the outlay, they still seem pricey for very little? I dont particularly want to buy a large reader due to cost and bulk (my wife would complain about more clutter!) and I haven't come across any being thrown out by the companies discarding these old bits of kit. I only have a few fiches that I'd like to view at home if possible. Recommendations and opinions welcomed. Regards Jon Sheffield

Thank you to Stuart and Beverley for their very helpful replies. It seems The White Horse must be the one I was after. Marian > > Hi List, > > My great-grandfather was 'keeper of a beerhouse' at 43 Henry Street (I think at the corner of Malinda Street) in the 1879 White's Directory. > Please does anyone know the name of this public house(?), if it had one, and whether it still exists? > Perhaps it just means a private house where beer could be bought, although he describes himself as 'hotel keeper' living in Malinda Street in 1874. > > Thanks, > Marian > _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com

Hi Marian Further to my off list email, I think the pub will be the White Horse Try www.picturesheffield.com and search for Malinda Street you should find photos of the White Horse. <www.picturesheffield.com> Stuart Reeves Sheffield marian price wrote: > Hi List, > > My great-grandfather was 'keeper of a beerhouse' at 43 Henry Street (I think at the corner of Malinda Street) in the 1879 White's Directory. > Please does anyone know the name of this public house(?), if it had one, and whether it still exists? > Perhaps it just means a private house where beer could be bought, although he describes himself as 'hotel keeper' living in Malinda Street in 1874. > > Thanks, > Marian > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. > http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi List, My great-grandfather was 'keeper of a beerhouse' at 43 Henry Street (I think at the corner of Malinda Street) in the 1879 White's Directory. Please does anyone know the name of this public house(?), if it had one, and whether it still exists? Perhaps it just means a private house where beer could be bought, although he describes himself as 'hotel keeper' living in Malinda Street in 1874. Thanks, Marian _________________________________________________________________ Get free emoticon packs and customisation from Windows Live. http://www.pimpmylive.co.uk

Posting my interests of the above surnames, mainly in Hope Woodlands, DBY plus HALL and HORSFALL in YKS, around Almondbury and Huddersfield. I would love to hear from anyone with information on or connections with these surnames. Specifically looking for a George, Charlotte and Thomas SHEPHERD(and variant spellings), a Thomas HALL and a Martha HORSFALL amongst others. Best wishes, Carolyn Wilson in Bathurst, N.S.W., Australia. Please tell me if I am on the wrong list. -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 388 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Sorry for the delay, everyone, but I am horrendously busy right now. Still, don't let that keep you from informing me of any changes to your email address or submission(s) or from submitting new surnames. Please remember to address all correspondence to: [email protected] The following submissions/submitters were deleted because of bouncing emails: Bertha Keeton (5) [email protected] Mary Barker Wilkinson (6) [email protected] The following 35 new submissions were entered in the database: ALCOCK, ARMSTRONG BACON, BEADMAN, BRAILSFORD/BRELSFORD, BRENNAN, BURKE BUTLER CLARKSON, CRACROFT FLOWER GELDERT HEGAN, HIGGINS, HOLDEN, HOLMES, HOODLESS JESSOP LINFOOT MADDRA(H) OXTOBY RICHARDSON, RICHMOND, RIDGE, RIDLEY, ROLFE SAVILLE, SOUTHWICK, STORRS TAITE, TAYLOR, TOMLINSON, TOWNEND WHINCUP, WHITEHEAD Best regards to everyone, Magdalena -- Magdalena Gorrell Guimaraens List Administrator INSTRUCTIONS FOR SUBMITTING NAMES and Home Page: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/YKSlist/ PLEASE ADDRESS ALL CORRESPONDENCE TO: [email protected]

Thank you Angela. That's just what I was hoping for. Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "A. Treweek" <[email protected]> To: "list sheffield" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:04 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Thomas CARRIER/CARREER c.1816 > Hi Liz. > > There is a marriage at the parish church of St Peters (later Cathedral) > between Oct 1835 and July 1836. > > Thomas CARRIER and Sarah TAYLOR page 134 entry 402. (is this what you were > hoping for?) > > This information is from the index produced by S&DFHS....it does not give > the exact date.Kind Regards > Angela Treweek. > Eckington U.K. > _________________________________________________________________ > Feel like a local wherever you go. > http://www.backofmyhand.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.2/1052 - Release Date: > 05/10/2007 18:53 > >

Thank you so much for that information Hugh...I had a feeling that was going to be the case. I am visiting Sheffield the week of 20th November and intended to go to the Archives but I've just had the very bad news that they will be closed that week for stocktaking....grr. I will have to get a friend to look at the details for me. I do appreciate the information. Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Waterhouse" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Thomas CARRIER/CARREER c.1816 > Hello Liz, > > Sarah may be a sister of Mary as she is also a TAYLOR. > > Marriage at Sheffield Parish Church (St Peter's) > ref: Volume F page 134 entry 402 (volume covers Oct 1835-Jul 1836) > Thomas CARRIER > Sarah TAYLOR > > This is from the SDFHS index. For further details (e.g. exact date and > witnesses) you would need to access the original in Sheffield Archives. > > Hugh > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Liz" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:30 PM > Subject: [SHEFF] Thomas CARRIER/CARREER c.1816 > > >> It's a long time since I posted and I've just found a query so I'm > crossing >> my fingers that someone can help me please. >> >> On the 1841 census there is Thomas CARRIER 25 Edge tool maker living with >> his wife Sarah. In the house is a female servant - Mary TAYLOR described > as >> 10 years old. I think this must have been an error on the part of the >> enumerator when he transferred the work to his enumeration sheets and the >> possibility is that she was 18. >> >> Mary TAYLOR (now Mary NEEDHAM) was visiting them in 1861 (with her > youngest >> son)....she was born c.1822/3. >> >> Thomas CARRIER and Sarah would have married just before the GRO started >> in >> 1837. I would like to know more about them. >> >> Mary TAYLOR has always been a difficult one for me and I still don't have >> her baptism...but I do know her father was Robert TAYLOR. >> >> All my work for these people is pre-1841. >> >> Thank you. >> Cheers >> LIZ >> www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery >> OPC for Street, Somerset > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.2/1052 - Release Date: > 05/10/2007 18:53 > >

Hello Liz, Sarah may be a sister of Mary as she is also a TAYLOR. Marriage at Sheffield Parish Church (St Peter's) ref: Volume F page 134 entry 402 (volume covers Oct 1835-Jul 1836) Thomas CARRIER Sarah TAYLOR This is from the SDFHS index. For further details (e.g. exact date and witnesses) you would need to access the original in Sheffield Archives. Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Liz" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 7:30 PM Subject: [SHEFF] Thomas CARRIER/CARREER c.1816 > It's a long time since I posted and I've just found a query so I'm crossing > my fingers that someone can help me please. > > On the 1841 census there is Thomas CARRIER 25 Edge tool maker living with > his wife Sarah. In the house is a female servant - Mary TAYLOR described as > 10 years old. I think this must have been an error on the part of the > enumerator when he transferred the work to his enumeration sheets and the > possibility is that she was 18. > > Mary TAYLOR (now Mary NEEDHAM) was visiting them in 1861 (with her youngest > son)....she was born c.1822/3. > > Thomas CARRIER and Sarah would have married just before the GRO started in > 1837. I would like to know more about them. > > Mary TAYLOR has always been a difficult one for me and I still don't have > her baptism...but I do know her father was Robert TAYLOR. > > All my work for these people is pre-1841. > > Thank you. > Cheers > LIZ > www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery > OPC for Street, Somerset

Yes, I know ages were rounded upwards and I also know that children as young as 8 were put into service but I know that Mary was born in 1822/3 because she married her first husband in 1844 and her second husband some years later. She was then visiting the CARRIERs in 1861 with her youngest child. I would find it very difficult for the CARRIERs to know two Mary TAYLORs...although I know it would be possible. I am quite sure the two Marys are one and the same. The figure 18 can easily be mistaken and written as 10, I've often found it difficult to check the censuses myself and the enumerator could very easily have mistaken the two figures. Just because 10 is written does not mean she was 10 years old as explained above. Even if he saw her, he wouldn't write up his sheets until he returned to his home and if he didn't know the family (and he wouldn't remember all of them) it would be very easy for him to make errors. Cross-checking with all the censuses proves that Mary was 18 in 1841 and that she knew the Carriers has been proved. I have her right until her death in 1896. What I'm interested in finding out is the marriage of Thomas CARRIER/CARREER to Sarah. Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] I do have proof of children as young as 10 years at work scrubbing and cleaning or kitchen maids. Sometimes they were set to look after a baby. However you must realise that the ages in the 1841 census were usually rounded down. Instructions to enumerators "Write the age of every person under 15 years of age as it is stated to you. For persons aged 15 years and upwards, write the lowest of the term of 5 years within which the age is. Thus -for persons aged 15 years and under 20 write 15; 20 years and under 25 write 20; 25 years and under 30 write 25; ........... However as 10 years is written this must be the age. Can you trace her ion the 1851 census where ages were not altered. I hope this is some use to you. Regards JUDY ELKINGTON [W.R.Yorkshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com [email protected] www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.2/1052 - Release Date: 05/10/2007 18:53

Hi Liz. There is a marriage at the parish church of St Peters (later Cathedral) between Oct 1835 and July 1836. Thomas CARRIER and Sarah TAYLOR page 134 entry 402. (is this what you were hoping for?) This information is from the index produced by S&DFHS....it does not give the exact date.Kind Regards Angela Treweek. Eckington U.K. _________________________________________________________________ Feel like a local wherever you go. http://www.backofmyhand.com

It's a long time since I posted and I've just found a query so I'm crossing my fingers that someone can help me please. On the 1841 census there is Thomas CARRIER 25 Edge tool maker living with his wife Sarah. In the house is a female servant - Mary TAYLOR described as 10 years old. I think this must have been an error on the part of the enumerator when he transferred the work to his enumeration sheets and the possibility is that she was 18. Mary TAYLOR (now Mary NEEDHAM) was visiting them in 1861 (with her youngest son)....she was born c.1822/3. Thomas CARRIER and Sarah would have married just before the GRO started in 1837. I would like to know more about them. Mary TAYLOR has always been a difficult one for me and I still don't have her baptism...but I do know her father was Robert TAYLOR. All my work for these people is pre-1841. Thank you. Cheers LIZ www.btinternet.com/~e.newbery OPC for Street, Somerset

In a message dated 06/10/2007 19:57:45 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: On the 1841 census there is Thomas CARRIER 25 Edge tool maker living with his wife Sarah. In the house is a female servant - Mary TAYLOR described as 10 years old. I think this must have been an error on the part of the enumerator when he transferred the work to his enumeration sheets and the possibility is that she was 18. Hi I do have proof of children as young as 10 years at work scrubbing and cleaning or kitchen maids. Sometimes they were set to look after a baby. However you must realise that the ages in the 1841 census were usually rounded down. Instructions to enumerators "Write the age of every person under 15 years of age as it is stated to you. For persons aged 15 years and upwards, write the lowest of the term of 5 years within which the age is. Thus -for persons aged 15 years and under 20 write 15; 20 years and under 25 write 20; 25 years and under 30 write 25; ........... However as 10 years is written this must be the age. Can you trace her ion the 1851 census where ages were not altered. I hope this is some use to you. Regards JUDY ELKINGTON [W.R.Yorkshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com [email protected] www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Posting my Sheffield - S.Yorks - N.DBY interests as follows : PLATTS - lived Woodhouse Mill 20th Century, branches in rest of Sheffield, Aston, Thurnscoe, Rotherham. Probably Whitwell + Clowne in 18th century. also CHAPMAN, CUTTS, FLAVELL, GOTHARD, LOWE, LUNN, METTAM (METHAM), NEALE, PARKIN, PEAT, PEMBERTON, PRICE, PROCTOR, ROTHERFORTH, SIDEBOTHAM, STEAD, BEECH-SALES. Regards. Dennis FLAVELL , Cambridgeshire, England. www.flavell.co.uk