Hi everyone A Happy New Year to One and All .... I was told once that the first name Johanna also meant something else, but I cannot find for the life of me where I wrote that meaning down. I am trying to work out a possible inter family marriage and the 'other' meaning of the name Johanna would really help. Many thanks Karen Hill Sheffield, UK Searching: Jeffcock, Beasley, Dewey, Gleadall, Bullivant, Jenkinson and Hill

Many thanks, Gordon, for all your work as Adminstrator of this List. With every good wish to you for 2008. K Still on a Wildgoose Chase!

Hi all For various reasons, at the end of Jan 2008 I will be giving up being administrator to Eng-Sheffield mailing list. Rather than just handing the list back to Rootsweb staff for them to find a new admin I thought there may be a subscriber who would be interested in taking the list over. If anyone has an interest would they please contact me. If I receive several messages from interested subscribers then I will find a way of deciding who to pass the list on to. If I do not hear from anyone with an interest then I will just pass the list back to Rootweb staff at the end of January 2008. A happy new year to all subscribers. Gordon List Admin

Hi All: Thanks to Hugh and Brad, t' owd codger in northern Illinois has been set straight about what is and isn't on certificates. Now I'm going to try to find a recipe for Humble Pie to go with our Christmas Dinner! Cheers! Dave in sunny, for a change, northern Illinois

Hi I have a Sarah OXLEY in my BRADFORD line. Sarah married Samuel I believe on 25 March 1823. On the 1841 census she was aged 30 and living with Samuel at Jerico and their siblings, William 13, Ann 10, John, 3 and Samuel 5mths. I have found an Hannah OXLEY aged 60 also living at Jerico. I believe that Jerico is the Nether Hallam or Netherthorpe area of Sheffield. I was born in Finlay Street of that area and I always remember the name Jerico mentioned. Regards

On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:09:49 -0600 Dave <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Dave, > for their child. However, Elizabeth's maiden name probably won't be > on the certificate, so I haven't sent for it. There also is a death It ought to be. Along with any previous married name. A lot depends on how the relevant questions were asked of her, or whoever the informant was. It's only pre-civil registration baptismal records that don't carry mother's maiden name. When you get back far enough, you find only the father's name recorded in baptismal records. This makes for difficult research with four people called John Smith (for example) all using the same church. > registration for an Elizabeth OXLEY in 1843 in the Rotherham > District. I've sent for the certificate, even though I doubt that it > will provide her maiden name. It won't. If you've bought the death cert purely to acquire her maiden name I'm afraid to say you've wasted your money. Only marriage and birth certificates have that information. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'd hate to look into those eyes and see an ounce of pain Sweet Child O'Mine - Guns 'N' Roses

Hello Dave, I am not sure why you think that the birth certificate is unlikely to have the mother's maiden name - it should include the married and maiden names and also the name from any previous marriage. cheers, Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 24, 2007 1:09 PM Subject: [SHEFF] John OXLEY marriage to an Elizabeth > Hi All: > > John OXLEY was bapt 13 Feb 1818 in Conisbrough. In 1841 he was living in > Nether Hallam, age 20 (20-24), with an Elizabeth, also age 20. Presumably, > Elizabeth was his wife. > > A son, Arthur, was born in 1842/3, and there's a FreeBMD birth registration > for an Arthur in the Sep 1/4 1843, Rotherham District which likely will be > for their child. However, Elizabeth's maiden name probably won't be on the > certificate, so I haven't sent for it. There also is a death registration > for an Elizabeth OXLEY in 1843 in the Rotherham District. I've sent for > the certificate, even though I doubt that it will provide her maiden name. > > John married Mary Ann LLOYD in Wath upon Dearne 10 Feb 1845, and on their > marriage certificate John is a Widower. John & Mary Ann subsequently had > several children, all of whom I've been able to track. > > FreeBMD shows no marriage of a John OXLEY to an Elizabeth 1838-1841 in the > Rotherham District. However, in the Sheffield District there are 3 > possible marriage entries during that time. The potential Elizabeths (all > in the Jun 1/4) are: > > CROOKES, 1838, 22 410 > BURDEKIN, 1840, 22 412 > SMITH, 1841, 22 406 > > The IGI sheds no light on the subject. I'm wondering if someone, when not > singing carols or pulling crackers, would be able to narrow down the trio > of Elizabeths (preferably to just one). > > And if not, I still will say > > Happy Christmas! > > Dave > in wind-blown snowy northern Illinois

Hi All: John OXLEY was bapt 13 Feb 1818 in Conisbrough. In 1841 he was living in Nether Hallam, age 20 (20-24), with an Elizabeth, also age 20. Presumably, Elizabeth was his wife. A son, Arthur, was born in 1842/3, and there's a FreeBMD birth registration for an Arthur in the Sep 1/4 1843, Rotherham District which likely will be for their child. However, Elizabeth's maiden name probably won't be on the certificate, so I haven't sent for it. There also is a death registration for an Elizabeth OXLEY in 1843 in the Rotherham District. I've sent for the certificate, even though I doubt that it will provide her maiden name. John married Mary Ann LLOYD in Wath upon Dearne 10 Feb 1845, and on their marriage certificate John is a Widower. John & Mary Ann subsequently had several children, all of whom I've been able to track. FreeBMD shows no marriage of a John OXLEY to an Elizabeth 1838-1841 in the Rotherham District. However, in the Sheffield District there are 3 possible marriage entries during that time. The potential Elizabeths (all in the Jun 1/4) are: CROOKES, 1838, 22 410 BURDEKIN, 1840, 22 412 SMITH, 1841, 22 406 The IGI sheds no light on the subject. I'm wondering if someone, when not singing carols or pulling crackers, would be able to narrow down the trio of Elizabeths (preferably to just one). And if not, I still will say Happy Christmas! Dave in wind-blown snowy northern Illinois

Hi Thanks to everyone who responded to my query, especially Stuart who described the location. I have driven over that road loads of times with my husband. Next time I go that way I will take more attention. Thank you and Merry Christmas to everyone June June Chatterton Sheffield United Kingdom

June Chatterton wrote: > Hi > > > June > Navigation Hill ran from Blast Lane to Bernard Road, probably along the route of the Parkway. Blast Lane ran from Broad Street down towards the canal basin. If you can find a street atlas c1950 - 60 it should be there. Stuart Reeves > I wonder if someone could help and tell me where Navigation Hill is or was > in Sheffield. I think it must have been somewhere near the Park area of > Sheffield as that's where my husband's BENSON relatives lived at the time of > the death of Reuben BENSON at the age of 6 in 1922. At the time of his > death he was living in Lord Street with his parents and siblings. Below is > the insertion from the Sheffield Telegraph > > > > > > Sheffield Telegraph, 20/08/1922 "BOY's 40 FOOT FALL" > > > > A verdict of "accidental death" was recorded at a Sheffield inquest on > Reuben Benson (6) of 14 court 9 House Lord Street who fell from the parapet > of the railway bridge at Navigation Hill to the railway 40 feet below. > There was no adult witness of the fall and no coherent story was forthcoming > from the children who were playing near. P.C. Peak, Coroner's Officer, > stated that the stone buttresses of the bridge were damaged, apparently by > children scrambling on the, and he was of the opinion that the lad had > ventured on to the parapet from the buttresses." > > > > > > I have tried Googling but nothing seems to come up. > > > > Many thanks > > > > June > > Sheffield > > UK > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi I wonder if someone could help and tell me where Navigation Hill is or was in Sheffield. I think it must have been somewhere near the Park area of Sheffield as that's where my husband's BENSON relatives lived at the time of the death of Reuben BENSON at the age of 6 in 1922. At the time of his death he was living in Lord Street with his parents and siblings. Below is the insertion from the Sheffield Telegraph Sheffield Telegraph, 20/08/1922 "BOY's 40 FOOT FALL" A verdict of "accidental death" was recorded at a Sheffield inquest on Reuben Benson (6) of 14 court 9 House Lord Street who fell from the parapet of the railway bridge at Navigation Hill to the railway 40 feet below. There was no adult witness of the fall and no coherent story was forthcoming from the children who were playing near. P.C. Peak, Coroner's Officer, stated that the stone buttresses of the bridge were damaged, apparently by children scrambling on the, and he was of the opinion that the lad had ventured on to the parapet from the buttresses." I have tried Googling but nothing seems to come up. Many thanks June Sheffield UK

Hi Thanks to all for your replies. I have been in touch with Sheffield local studies library and I must say I was thrilled with the service they gave me. It was almost by return email. Unfortunately they did not have the MI that I was looking for. But a huge thank you to the staff there for their wonderful effort. Delyth Waugh Christchurch New Zealand

Hi John You wrote: "Sheffield Archives have the original church records." That is correct but Delyth was asking for the MI's which are deposited with the local studies not the archives. RegardsAngela Treweek _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx

Sheffield Archives have the original church records. [email protected] HTH John Green A. Treweek wrote: > The MI's for St George's church are deposited with the Local Studies Library on Surrey St. > > Sheffield Local Studies Library > 1st Floor, Central Library, Surrey Street, Sheffield, S1 1XZ > Tel 0114 273 4753 > Fax 0114 273 5009 > Email [email protected] > > Angela Treweek > _________________________________________________________________ > >

In a message dated 18/12/2007 22:28:44 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: That is correct but Delyth was asking for the MI's which are deposited with the local studies not the archives. Hi Angela, I always think that this separation causes confusion. I am unable to hike between the two depositories and although they were cramped for space it was much better when they were all in the same building at Graves Art Gallery. Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year JUDY ELKINGTON [W.R.Yorkshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com [email protected] www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Angela Thanks for your help in finding the location. Happy Christmas Louis Gilding ----- Original Message ---- From: A. Treweek <[email protected]> To: list sheffield <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, 13 December, 2007 9:58:58 PM Subject: [SHEFF] "who lived at 273 Abbeydale Road in 1901Census Hi Lois. If you have access to Ancestry. The reference for 273 Abbeydale Rd Ecclesall Bierlow is RG13/4356 folio 89 page 6. Henry WHITTINGTON 38 Emma 32 Vernon aged 5 Dennis aged 2 Kind Regards Angela Treweek _________________________________________________________________ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lois. If you have access to Ancestry. The reference for 273 Abbeydale Rd Ecclesall Bierlow is RG13/4356 folio 89 page 6. Henry WHITTINGTON 38 Emma 32 Vernon aged 5 Dennis aged 2 Kind Regards Angela Treweek _________________________________________________________________ Telly addicts unite! http://www.searchgamesbox.com/tvtown.shtml

Sorry I had typed wrong road name, it should have been Abbeydale Rd NOT Abbeyvale Road. Updated query below. Thanks. ______________________________________________________________________ Can anyone help me please? I am trying to find who lived (and what they did) at 273, Abbeydale Road, Ecclesall Bierlow, Sheffield in the 1901 Census. I have tried to dip into the enumeration districts for Ecclesall Bierlow on ancestry.co.uk for 1901 census but have not found no 273 Abbeydale Road (enumeration district 56 is not there for some reason). I found it in 1891 census (RG12/3809) but enumeration districts not the same in 1901. My grandmother lived there either as a domestic servant, or pregnant unmarried mum in 1902 (she was in Chesterfield for 1901 census). Thanks in advance Louis West Sussex

Hi Louis, I suspect you need Abbeydale Road, not Abbeyvale Road. Try district 63 of Ecclesall Bierlow. (or the ones nearby) regards Richard [email protected] wrote: > Can anyone help me please? I am trying to find who lived (and what they did) at 273, Abbeyvale Road, Ecclesall Bierlow, Sheffield in th 1901 Census.

Judy, I'm so pleased to hear that archives of the Lyceum do still exist. Let's hope that the name of the one-legged actor surfaces. K Still on a Wildgoose Chase! p.s. I have a one-legged murderer in my family - but that's another story!