Hi. If you know that Joshua was definately born in Sheffield you could try the register office birth indexes for Sheffield. http://libplugins.sheffield.gov.uk/bmd/SearchMain.aspx These are being transcribed by S&DFHS and uploaded in batches...we have completed the births from 1837-1872 at the present time. What we did find in some of the earlier indexes was that the father's name had been entered in the index and not the child, that has now been corrected as far as the Sheffield Register Office indexes are concerned. But it will remain incorrect in the GRO indexes. Non registration is not unusual my grandfather born in 1860 is not registered but his two younger siblings and his two elder siblings are. Kind Regards Angela Treweek _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile, text MSN to 63463! http://mobile.uk.msn.com/pc/mail.aspx

Angela, Thanks so much for your answer regarding my problem. I do know that all except one were born in Sheffield and all the records that I have state that Joshua was born in Sheffield. His father was a brushmaker in Sheffield. I went straight to the site you posted and tried searching that way. I found all the Mahony siblings again (LOL), but no Joshua. Boo hoo!! I think I'm giving up on his birth certificate. Oh well, the information provided on his birth certificate would be the same as the other children anyway...no new insight. I just wanted to have a copy. Thanks again for your help. With gratitude, Terry in CT, USA **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hi, I just sent to the GRO for 9 Mahony sibling birth certificates from Sheffield.(One was born in Halifax). They are the children of Joshua and Jane (Baker) Mahony. There were 13 children but many died stillborn. My direct descendant of Joshua Sr is Joshua Jr. and, lo and behold, he is the ONLY one whose Birth Index I cannot find on Ancestry.Com which would allow me to order his birth certificate. I have his birth date as 12 August 1860 from his US death certificate and the 1920 US Federal Census (just gave his age). I also have his birth date as August 1858 from various censuses in England and the US where they gave his age only. I have tried searching using MAHONEY, MAHONIE, MAHANY and a number of other possibilities. I've used wildcards using part of his first name and part of his surname. I've used his surname only. I've gone through the Birth Index original document to see if he was overlooked. I searched for his sister, Elizabeth Mahony, forever and no such luck. I searched the original documents and there she was with the birth year that I had and her correct name...no variations!! Ancestry just didn't pick her up for some reason.) Could I just be overlooking him somewhere? His father was Joshua and he was a Joshua so I don't think he had any other forename than Joshua. I put in a search for all Joshuas with a 2 year birthdate range to no avail. I then put in a search for all of England instead of just Sheffield and just Yorkshire like I had. There were two Joshua Mahonys but their birthdates were not in the ballpark. I keep thinking that, since I have everyone else's birth index in his family, his parents MUST have registered him, right? Well, maybe not. But, I still wonder if I am not finding him because his forename and surname are spelled horribly wrong or Ancestry didn't pick him up either. When should I give up? Does anyone have any suggestions on searching for his birth index in order to get a birth certificate? Thanks a bunch!! Terry in CT, USA (Joshua Jr.'s great great granddaughter) **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

hello Louise, Welcome to this list! I can't find a reference to Philadelphia Gardens, but Philadelphia is certainly an area of Sheffield to the northwest of the centre and close to the river Don. It is also not far from the site of St Philip's Church. As the areas on the periphery of the town were built up there was often a period when the properties were used for gardens or allotments before the houses went up. There were places where 'Gardens' became part of the street names and later fell out of use. Looking at the Philadelphia area on the 1855 map at http://www.old-maps.co.uk (coordinates 434600 388500) you can see a patchwork of gardens and it would not surprise me if part of this area was known as Philadelphia Gardens for a time. Would you like to give us the details you have of this man so we can see if we can find any trace of him in Sheffield? Regards, Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "louise" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Philadelphia Gardens, sheffield > Hi All > I am new to the list > Can anyone tell me anything of Philadelphia Gardens in Sheffield > > Been trying to find places with Philadelphia in them that might explain why my convict to Australia had Philadelphia as his birth place but it is not the US. > > many thanks in advance > Louise in Australia >

In a message dated 24/02/2008 08:35:41 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Been trying to find places with Philadelphia in them that might explain why my convict to Australia had Philadelphia as his birth place but it is not the US. Hi Philadelphia Gardens in Sheffield lies in an area called Philadelphia where the Rawson family had extensive tanneries in the C19. However there were also houses there as well. On the 1823 map it lies between the General Infirmary and the Hillsborough Barracks on the Peniston Road and later up the road to Crookes Sheffield. If you look at this site you will see the Rawsons who were quite important people who owned the Tanneries. They later became related to the Wight family of Eyam Hall through Marriage. .http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Sheffield/index.html You didn't mention a name so It was not possible to look up the family. regards JUDY ELKINGTON [W.R.Yorkshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com [email protected] www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Hi Can anyone tell me anything about these homes. Who built and founded them. Any information available. I do have a little but I would like to add to this. Many thanks regards JUDY ELKINGTON [W.R.Yorkshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com [email protected] www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

The 1841 census for Sheffield shows the following listing: Name: Sarah Sampson Age: 45 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796 Gender: Female Where born: Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Sheffield Hundred: Strafforth and Tickhill (South Division) County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Registration district: Sheffield Sub-registration district: Sheffield West Household Members: Name Age Sarah Hartley 65 William Hartley 60 Thomas Holland 70 Sarah Sampson 45 Harriet Stringer 20 Jonathan Stringer 25 Samuel Stringer 11 Mo Nancy Taylor 45 There is a strong possibility that Sarah SAMPSON is Sarah CLEGG the daughter of Richard CLEGG and Elizabeth HARTLEY who were married in the Manchester Cathedral in 1793. We believe Sarah CLEGG married John SAMPSON about 1821. Can anyone shed light on this HARTLEY family? Richard CLEGG/Elizabeth HARTLEY had all their children christened at Cross Street Chapel between the years 1793-1805. Richard died in 1842. Indications are that Elizabeth HARTLEY CLEGG died between October 1833 and civil registration. Janet **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Hello, Yes it seems to be. This couple seem to fit the bill. The mystery remains around the family memory of the name Theresa Nightingale and the reality of Patricia Mary. Somebody said that maybe it was 'Tricia which metamorphose into Theresa. Who knows? Many thanks Phil -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joan Marsden Sent: 22 February 2008 00:41 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SHEFF] Smallwood Ludlam family Percy Ludlam (born Q1 - Sheffield 1909) - married Patricia M Smallwood - Q3 - Sheffield 1929 Could this be your couple? Regards, Joan Marsden ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Smallwood Ludlam family > Hello all, > > A mystery for you all, certainly for me!. My maternal Grandfather had > one sister called Theresa Nightingale Smallwood. She would have been > born around 1910 give or take a few years. She married a man called > Percy Ludlam (nobody is sure of the exact spelling). They had eight > children, four boys and four girls. it is believed that three of the > girls emigrated to Australia. It is also believed that the family > lived in Wincobank. > > The mystery is that I can find no trace of her birth, marriage or > death. Nor can I find the births of the children. My mother remembers > her and her husband ,but no real details. > > Any help gratefully received. > > Phil Woodger > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Percy Ludlam (born Q1 - Sheffield 1909) - married Patricia M Smallwood - Q3 - Sheffield 1929 Could this be your couple? Regards, Joan Marsden ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Smallwood Ludlam family > Hello all, > > A mystery for you all, certainly for me!. My maternal Grandfather had > one sister called Theresa Nightingale Smallwood. She would have been > born around 1910 give or take a few years. She married a man called > Percy Ludlam (nobody is sure of the exact spelling). They had eight > children, four boys and four girls. it is believed that three of the > girls emigrated to Australia. It is also believed that the family > lived in Wincobank. > > The mystery is that I can find no trace of her birth, marriage or > death. Nor can I find the births of the children. My mother remembers > her and her husband ,but no real details. > > Any help gratefully received. > > Phil Woodger > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi all, I am new to this list and have browsed the archives. I am on the trail of PRIEST/ PREEST and alternative spellings, particularly in the Langsett area where they were yeoman farmer from the late 1300s. Is there anyone with access to the Bradfield parish registers who could check whether any of these four records contain any clue as to where the person concerned was 'of'? Finding Bilcliffe would be a miracle, but one must live in hope. Marriage : 18-Apr-1587 Christopher PREEST & Ann ARAM Marriage: 4-Dec-1684 John PRIEST & Mary COULDWELL Baptism: 13-Mar-1575 Ellen PREEST d/o John PREEST Baptism: 23-Aug-1579 Johan PREESTE d/o John PREESTE Thank you so much Daphne In the Waikari Valley, North Canterbury, New Zealand

Hi Listers Could any one help with I have a marriage for LEMUEL BROOMHEAD to ELIZABTH OTTER 1852 Sheffield does any one have these people in there tree? I would love to know who Elizaneths parents were Margaret Notts Uk

Hi Mary, I would certainly investigate! I would also suggest that it's a good idea to look at adjacent graves. I've just been researching a friends family history. One of his ancestors died at a very young age in a mining accident at Birley, and was buried at Intake. For years, my friend has been putting flowers on the grave. When we uncovered the maiden name of his widow, my friend realised straight away, that the wife's parents (his gg-grandparents) were in the adjacent grave. All the years that he's been visiting the cemetery, he never knew their names, or that they were buried there. So now he's putting flowers on both graves! regards Richard Mary Berthold wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > Does anyone know whether people listed in the same grave in the Sheffield General Cemetery would be related?

Hello Phil, Is it possible that family memory is thinking of her as 'Theresa' when in fact she was 'Tricia' (ie Patricia)?! I found these events: GRO Births JUN Qtr 1911 SMALLWOOD Patricia M Sheffield 9c 630 GRO Marriages SEP Qtr 1929 LUDLAM Percy SMALLWOOD Patricia M. Sheffield 9c 1387 GRO Births DEC Qtr 1936 LUDLAM Doreen (mmn SMALLWOOD) Sheffield 9c 713 GRO Births MAR Qtr 1931 LUDLAM Joyce (mmn SMALLWOOD) Sheffield 9c 933 (this is not a full search of births) GRO Deaths July (month) 1989 LUDLAM Patricia Mary date of birth: 17-MAR-1911 death registered at: Sheffield vol. 3 page 1216 date registered: Jul (month) 1989 Though I can't explain the Mary rather than Nightingale. Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: < [email protected] > Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Smallwood Ludlam family > Hello all, > > A mystery for you all, certainly for me!. My maternal Grandfather had > one sister called Theresa Nightingale Smallwood. She would have been > born around 1910 give or take a few years. She married a man called > Percy Ludlam (nobody is sure of the exact spelling). They had eight > children, four boys and four girls. it is believed that three of the > girls emigrated to Australia. It is also believed that the family > lived in Wincobank. > > The mystery is that I can find no trace of her birth, marriage or > death. Nor can I find the births of the children. My mother remembers > her and her husband ,but no real details. > > Any help gratefully received. > > Phil Woodger

Hello all, A mystery for you all, certainly for me!. My maternal Grandfather had one sister called Theresa Nightingale Smallwood. She would have been born around 1910 give or take a few years. She married a man called Percy Ludlam (nobody is sure of the exact spelling). They had eight children, four boys and four girls. it is believed that three of the girls emigrated to Australia. It is also believed that the family lived in Wincobank. The mystery is that I can find no trace of her birth, marriage or death. Nor can I find the births of the children. My mother remembers her and her husband ,but no real details. Any help gratefully received. Phil Woodger

Hi Mary, Absolutely Yes, research them! A married daughter would take the surname of her husband, and hence any children from that union also. If the daughter then died (say very young and in childbirth) and the widower couldn't afford a grave, the family would most likely chip in and pay for it and reserve their own 'resting place' at the same time. The families could also be related via siblings and cousins etc, so there are many permutations of possibility here. It could be that different families who were very good friends maybe shared the cost of a grave plot, which may be harder to resolve, but I'd certainly look into any relationship possibilities. AFAIK, there were no strictly held conventions about who should and should not be buried in a plot other than any set down by a particular family. Hope this helps. Kind regards John Woolsey (Bridlington E.Yorks). [email protected] wrote: Today's Topics: 1. Family plots in General Cemetery? (Mary Berthold) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 17:25:29 -0600 From: Mary Berthold Subject: [SHEFF] Family plots in General Cemetery? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Everyone, Does anyone know whether people listed in the same grave in the Sheffield General Cemetery would be related? I found a pair of my relatives (a married couple) in the same grave with another unknown married couple (different surname) and two of their children, plus a child with yet another surname. I'm wondering if it makes sense to research these other people to see if they were related to my couple. The deaths occurred from 1871 to 1892, but three were buried in 1871. Thanks for any light you can shed on this. Mary B. Researching in Sheffield: ASHALL, BARRACLOUGH, DODDS, HEALD, HORNER, MARSDEN, PICKIN, SLACK, TROWN, WATTS ------------------------------ To contact the ENG-SHEFFIELD list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the ENG-SHEFFIELD mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of ENG-SHEFFIELD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 33 ********************************************

In a message dated 17/02/2008 23:25:59 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone know whether people listed in the same grave in the Sheffield General Cemetery would be related? I found a pair of my relatives (a married couple) in the same grave with another unknown married couple (different surname) and two of their children, plus a child with yet another surname. I'm wondering if it makes sense to research these other people to see if they were related to my couple. The deaths occurred from 1871 to 1892, but three were buried in 1871. Hi I have the same problem and wondered if I should do the same. They are not directly linked to the family but I wondered whether they could be friends. After all the couple in the grave had no apparent family so perhaps they or the family let other people use the grave. regards JUDY ELKINGTON [W.R.Yorkshire, England] www.elkingtonfamily.com [email protected] www.one-name.org/profiles/elkington.html

Hi Everyone, Does anyone know whether people listed in the same grave in the Sheffield General Cemetery would be related? I found a pair of my relatives (a married couple) in the same grave with another unknown married couple (different surname) and two of their children, plus a child with yet another surname. I'm wondering if it makes sense to research these other people to see if they were related to my couple. The deaths occurred from 1871 to 1892, but three were buried in 1871. Thanks for any light you can shed on this. Mary B. Researching in Sheffield: ASHALL, BARRACLOUGH, DODDS, HEALD, HORNER, MARSDEN, PICKIN, SLACK, TROWN, WATTS

Gooday All, Charles James Jeffery was born 9th April 1886 to Charles and Elizabeth Jeffery (nee Shepherd) of 56 Marshall St Sheffield. He told me he was at one stage a gun shell varnisher although at the moment I cannot recall whom he said he worked for. I'm owner (self ) building a house at the moment so most of my info is packed up in boxes but from one of the census returns I remember the name Riddles Coke(s) being on one of the pages whether that jogs someone's memory. Thanks all for your help Alan Jeffery Sunshine Coast Qld Oz No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date: 14/02/2008 6:35 PM

HI all Have recently come across some information about one Nellie Jeffery, who married a Connolly, and who was known as the Yorkshire Nightingale. She must have been born around 1900 and did her music learning from the London College of Music and sometime in the early 1950's was involved with teaching music in Charleville Queensland OZ. Charleville is some 10 hours drive west of Brisbane (my daughter lives there) There is the historical house in the town and the curator had found some papers re Nellie Blye, as she was known on stage, at the dump and then pit them up on display whereupon I found them. If anyone wants to know more, or can fill in a few gaps let me know . Alan Jeffery Sunshine Coast Queensland OZ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1277 - Release Date: 13/02/2008 8:00 PM

Gooday all from a very wet Queenslander 100kms north of Brisbane, I have heard from a couple of relatives that my grandfather, Charlie Jeffery born in 1886, was given something maybe a medallion or the like when he reached 50 years of age in 1936. As far as I can ascertain it was from the local Sheffield council and there was possibly a write up in the newspaper. Can anyone throw some light on this matter for me? Also still searching for descendants of my grandfather's brother George Jeffery born 1880 and had 13 children. Thanks Alan J Jeffery No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.4/1277 - Release Date: 13/02/2008 8:00 PM