Hello Debby. "Richard Thorpe, born in the Sep Qtr 1863 9c 214 (I Jan 1863 according to Sheffield Registry Office)" When we transcribe these records we only enter the year....the programme default is the 1/1/yyyy You will see that all the births default to this date. Kind Regards Angela Treweek _________________________________________________________________ Save time by using Hotmail to access your other email accounts. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/167688463/direct/01/

I too can recommend Psalter House from a very recent visit with american relatives. Affordable accomodation, brilliant breakfasts and helpful hosts. Peter Rodger Anick Hexham

Hello Richard We went down to Sheffield from Edinburgh a month or so ago for some Vasey family history research and stayed at Psalter House Bed and Breakfast. It was good value for money, well placed for getting to the archives easily, and on a good bus route. www.psalterhouse.co.uk I did have to book for both the Archives and the Local History library. They were all very on the phone and when I arrived. Found some obituaries in the newpaper films which helped me locate the cemeteries they were buried in and also mentioned people who attended the funeral. That led me to grandchildren I never knew existed. Good luck with your own research. June

Hello I'm planning to visit Sheffield in early November - probably Wed 4 - Fri 6...to do some research* in the archives there. I need some recommendations! for a B&B and/or small hotel with car parking space, and within easy reach of the archives (walk or local bus), and somewhere nearby for an evening meal. I could "google" it - but prefer to go on recommendation! It worked so well when I was in Leicester earlier this year - found hotel in park near heart of city, short walk to Leicester FHS centre and restaurants round the corner plus local cemetery with many family graves * On local Quakers c 1750-1780 and their association with the early steel industry : one of my ancestors was a plater there ( think it may be start of silversmiths there) There was a hearth/burning place for Quakers off Broad Lane according to Gosling's map of this period ( ref: Fiery Blades of Hallamshire - David Hey) Also Quaker records in archives on Balby MM and Sheffield PM I've included the latter detail in the off chance that someone may know about these records - held in the archives in Shoreham St, and in City library in Sussex St. I only wish I'd known about these family connections when I was a student there many many years ago! Any help/guidance appreciated! Richard Ellis

I would like to 'find' the descendants of my grandfather's only sister, red-haired, Beatrice Jarvis (nee Smith) born about 1898 in Heeley, Sheffield. However, the period I need is not on the censuses, being after 1911. Beatrice had four children: Winnifred Jarvis b. 1920, John A. Jarvis b. 1921 and Walter H. Jarvis b. 1926, all my mother's cousins. I believe that Winnifred, my mother's age, may have married an Albert Pike in 1941. After this point, I have 'lost' her trail. Any information or advice would be much appreciated. Chris in Ontario

hello Debby, It was a bit tricky to disentangle that information - eg who was born in 1816 and which Sidney married Mary or Mary Ann ? :-) I found this marriage in the Sheffield FHS index Marriage at Sheffield Parish Church (SS Peter & Paul, now the Cathedral) volume H page 76 entry 226 (volume covers April to June 1837*) Sidney THORPE Mary HOBSON *why couldn't they have waited until July, so you could get a certificate! For any other details, which will be few, you would need to access the original in Sheffield Archives. Sidney 1816 is in several trees at Ancestry. None shows the marriage of his son Sidney to Elizabeth Palmer. Hugh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Debby" <derby2@optusnet.com.au> To: <eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 9:18 AM Subject: [SHEFF] Thorpe? > Hi, > A while ago I learned of my Thorpe ancestry from Ecclesall Beirlow in > Sheffield. > Circa 1884 my great grandfather Edward Richard Thorpe, born in the Sep > Qtr 1863 9c 214 (I Jan 1863 according to Sheffield Registry Office) to > Sidney and Elizabeth (nee Palmer) Thorpe came to Queensland Australia. > His grandfather was Sidney Thorpe son of Thomas and Fanny Thorpe (born > 1816) and his grandmother was Mary Hobson. When I originally researched > the Thorpes, a contact on line said Sidney was married to a Mary Ann > Barnes. After Mary was widowed in 1857 she and her children are living > with a John Hobson aged fifty (whom I believe is her brother) in 1861. > > Does anyone know these folk even Elizabeth (nee Palmer) daughter of > Richard and Ann Palmer whom came from Stropshire to Sheffield? I would > like to confirm one way or the other whether Sidney married a Mary > Hobson or a Mary Ann Barnes. They resided in Garden Street and are > buried in the General Cemetery along with family members. > > Edward Richard's son of the same name returned to England during WW1 and > married his first cousin Ada Thorpe, daughter of his uncle Sidney Thorpe > (the third). They returned to Australia and had no issue. > > Thomas and Fanny I cannot find death or burial dates for. > Would love to make contact with any descendants of these folk? > Regards > Debby (in Melbourne) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I would like to 'find' the descendants of my grandfather's only sister, red-haired, Beatrice Jarvis (nee Smith) born about 1898 in Heeley, Sheffield. She had four children: Winnifred Jarvis b. 1920, John A. Jarvis b. 1921 and Walter H. Jarvis b. 1926. I believe that Winnifred, my mother's age, may have married an Albert Pike in 1941. After this point, I have 'lost' her trail. Any information or advice would be much appreciated. Chris in Ontario

Hi All I just wanted to remind everyone about the Family History Day that is being held at Low Bradfield in a couple of weeks [full details below]. It really is a great day and I hope some of you will be able to attend and, if so, please make sure you come and say hello to me! Best Regards Karen Lightowler Researching the Sheffield Flood FAMILY & LOCAL HISTORY DAY Sunday 18th October 2009-09-05 10am – 4pm Low Bradfield Village Hall Sheffield S6 6LB ADMISSION FREE Refreshments Available Groups/Organisations taking part include: BRADFIELD HISTORICAL SOCIETY FREINDS OF BRADFIELD PARISH ARCHIVES and FAMILY HISTORY CENTRE FREINDS OF WARDSEND C EMETERY GREAT SHEFFIELD FLOOD ANCESTRY GRENOSIDE & DISTRICT LOCAL HISTORY SOCIETY HILLSBOROUGH & OWLERTON LOCAL HISTORY GROUP PENISTONE LOCAL HISTORY GROUP SHEFFIELD & DISTRICT FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY STANNINGTON LOCAL HISTORY GROUP STOCKSBRIDGE & DISTRICT HISTORY SOCIETY THURGOLAND LOCAL HISTORY GROUP Organised by Bradfield Historical Society Further Details: Tel 0114 233 7463 Local history books and local census CDs available to purchase at the event

Hi Angela, How could I have missed that! Because I searched for Guite not "G*te", thats why! thanks Peter ---------------------------------------- > From: atreweek@hotmail.com > To: eng-sheffield-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 06:49:20 +0000 > Subject: [SHEFF] GUITE lookup request - Sheffield Archives > > > Hi Peter. > > > > There is an Ann GUI(S)TE aged 39 wife of George of Wadsley Bridge buried at Ecclesfield St Marys 9th July 1820 > > > > This is on the Churchyard transcriptions disc from S&DFHS. > > > > > Angela Treweek > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Get the best of MSN on your mobile http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/

Hi Peter. There is an Ann GUI(S)TE aged 39 wife of George of Wadsley Bridge buried at Ecclesfield St Marys 9th July 1820 This is on the Churchyard transcriptions disc from S&DFHS. Angela Treweek _________________________________________________________________ With Windows Live, you can organise, edit, and share your photos. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/

<2263FAB8BA1342A19E1C24411C98B7DB@JunePC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi June=2C =20 thanks for the suggestions. The problem is that there is very little before= 1830 -just when it gets interesting! However=2C although I have looked at = the Sheffield Indexers site many times your suggestion prompted another loo= k and I found a Mary GYITE in Burngreave and she was in the same grave as a= William GYTE. Evidence for flexibility in spelling the name within one fam= ily? Interesting!=20 =20 Regards=2C =20 Peter ________________________________ > From: junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk > To: gwil_lee@msn.com=3B eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SHEFF] GUITE lookup request - Sheffield Archives > Date: Tue=2C 29 Sep 2009 21:26:05 +0100 > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Peter > > > > Have you looked on the Sheffield Indexes site at http://www.sheffieldinde= xers.com/BurialIndex.html > > I see there are quite a few Guites but didnt look > for the variants > > > > Regards > > June > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > Peter Lee > > To: eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Tuesday=2C September 29=2C 2009 9:16 > PM > > Subject: [SHEFF] GUITE lookup request - > Sheffield Archives > > > > > Hi List=2C > > I have come up against a serious > brick wall with my GUITE tree. (also the LEE tree but one thing at a time= !) > > > I have a George GUITE who died at New Row=2C Hamlet of Wadsley in > 1838. He married in Rotherham on 13 Aug 1826 to Mary YATES. Both were > widow(er)s. His children were born around 1810 so must have been by his f= irst > wife. This is all I really know about him. If SKS visiting Sheffield arch= ives > could find the time to look for a burial of a GUITE in=2C say=2C the 10 y= ears > before 1826 in Ecclesfield or Rotherham I would really be greatful. He co= uld > have spelt his name as GITE=2C GUYTE=2C GYITE or GYTE as well as GUITE. I= know > that in 1841 ther were GUYTEs living in Rotherham but for most of the ear= ly > nineteenth century the GUITEs in South Yorks are concentrated in the Wads= ley > area. I just dont know how they got there! > > in > hope=2C > > Peter Lee in France researching LEE GUITE SENIOR in South > Yorks > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share > your photos with Windows Live Photos =96 Free. > http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ > > ------------------------------- > To > unsubscribe from the list=2C please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-reques= t@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the bod= y of > the message =0A= _________________________________________________________________=0A= Share your photos with Windows Live Photos =96 Free.=0A= http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/=

Hi Peter Have you looked on the Sheffield Indexes site at http://www.sheffieldindexers.com/BurialIndex.html I see there are quite a few Guites but didnt look for the variants Regards June ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Lee To: eng-sheffield@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:16 PM Subject: [SHEFF] GUITE lookup request - Sheffield Archives Hi List, I have come up against a serious brick wall with my GUITE tree. (also the LEE tree but one thing at a time!) I have a George GUITE who died at New Row, Hamlet of Wadsley in 1838. He married in Rotherham on 13 Aug 1826 to Mary YATES. Both were widow(er)s. His children were born around 1810 so must have been by his first wife. This is all I really know about him. If SKS visiting Sheffield archives could find the time to look for a burial of a GUITE in, say, the 10 years before 1826 in Ecclesfield or Rotherham I would really be greatful. He could have spelt his name as GITE, GUYTE, GYITE or GYTE as well as GUITE. I know that in 1841 ther were GUYTEs living in Rotherham but for most of the early nineteenth century the GUITEs in South Yorks are concentrated in the Wadsley area. I just dont know how they got there! in hope, Peter Lee in France researching LEE GUITE SENIOR in South Yorks _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-SHEFFIELD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List, I have come up against a serious brick wall with my GUITE tree. (also the LEE tree but one thing at a time!) I have a George GUITE who died at New Row, Hamlet of Wadsley in 1838. He married in Rotherham on 13 Aug 1826 to Mary YATES. Both were widow(er)s. His children were born around 1810 so must have been by his first wife. This is all I really know about him. If SKS visiting Sheffield archives could find the time to look for a burial of a GUITE in, say, the 10 years before 1826 in Ecclesfield or Rotherham I would really be greatful. He could have spelt his name as GITE, GUYTE, GYITE or GYTE as well as GUITE. I know that in 1841 ther were GUYTEs living in Rotherham but for most of the early nineteenth century the GUITEs in South Yorks are concentrated in the Wadsley area. I just dont know how they got there! in hope, Peter Lee in France researching LEE GUITE SENIOR in South Yorks _________________________________________________________________ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/

William HILLIARD married Elizabeth HOWIT on 15/9/1764 in Heanor. William's gravestone (M155 299) was placed in St Paul's Churchyard, Sheffield, although his death was recorded in the Parish register. The inscription I have reads:- In memory of Elizabeth the Wife of Willm Hilliard who departed this life April 23rd 178 aged 30 years.... ..Also the above William Hilliard who departed this life Octo'r 8th 1787 aged 45 years Can anyone supply the missing digit for Elizabeth? Robert, her youngest son, was baptised in March 1777 in Sheffield. To have the digit '8', and taking into account her age, and when she married, her death must probably have been on 23 April in 1778 or 1780. Regards Margaret

HI, looking for information on the parents of John and Henry Oxley. Both of these fine gentlemen were transported to Tasmania for various forms of theft in the Leeds area. I have found these two; JOHN OXLEY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Christening: 09 AUG 1818 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England & HENRY OXLEY - International Genealogical Index / BI Gender: Male Christening: 19 SEP 1813 Cathedral Saint Peter, Sheffield, Yorkshire, England They both have the parents John OXLEY and Sarah ? The birth dates are very close, as John was around 22 when he was transported in 1838. His convict papers stated that his brother was transported at an earlier date for a specific crime in Leeds. There is something in John's papers that states his brother stole a large sum of money from the Lord Mayor of Leeds. The only other OXLEY I can find of that vintage who committed a crime around there and who was transported to Tasmania, is one Henry OXLEY who was also 22 when he was transported in 1835. To that end, I am fairly certain he is his brother. Henry also has the word Sheffield written across one of his convict forms. Any information on the parents or even on the two gents, would be appreciated. regards Phil..... gg grandson of John.....

All, found the chat about bookies very interesting. It must have been widespread as I know that my Grandfather and his Uncle were involved in this. In the case of His Uncle, John Henry Greatorex, it seems to have been a lifetimes work, 1880's thru to the 1920's. Apparently he also worked the Racecourses where it was legal and I think working with cash rather than "promises". He was supposed to be a colourful character. As for my Grandfather it was of many lines of work he dabbled in during the 1920's and 30's. According to family legend he used to keep the local "bobby" sweet with the donation of a bottle of stout. He also used his children as runners. In addition to that he was also involved in running an illegal (for the time) Football Pool. So a lot of "it" went on during those times now called the "good old days". Regards Mike Greatorex Harrogate, England Looking for all Greatorex's from North Nottinghamshire, Sheffield, Orange Co, NY, USA, Florida and Alabamha, USA. http://www.freewebs.com/greatorexfamily/

> > My granddad was a bookies runner for his father (my great-granddad) and > I'm > interested in finding out more about what both of them would have done. Hi, just to add my uncle & his son were bookies, i didn't even know what one of those was untill 1 day i was playing around the corner at a friends house & my uncle & son (both big overweight blokes) came running down the street,heavily panting & not far behind was the cop. My mom explained briefly that they had been naughty & the cop would smack their bums. A few years later i found out what they were. uncle frank opened bettin g shops when they became legal. cheers shawn hodkin

Hi All, I'm posting the content of an email I received personally with consent of the person who sent it to me (they're now on holiday). This is in relation to one I posted yesterday about Bookies & Bookies Runners as I though it maybe interesting to those of you who have had bookies in the family. I hope you find it useful. There is an excellent book on the subject "Better betting with a decent fellow" by Karl Chinn, it's at Amazon and will be in libraries on order I guess. That covers the entire social history, including the role of bookies runners, they tended to use something called a clock bag which held slips with a timer set at the point they were closed so that bets couldn't be added after the races had started. Runners would take bets in workplaces or on the street and were paid a commission by the bookmakers they would take them to (you can find clock bags on Ebay from time to time). Incidentally, It was quite frequent that people would take up some form of bookmaking after the first world war, I think on the basis of a demob payment to fund the working capital requirement. Betting in this way was very widespread indeed, most working class people would have a weekly flutter, including women. It was viewed by them as harmless entertainment, but there was an inbuilt class snobbery in betting because bets in ready money (cash) were illegal but betting against a promise (credit) was allowed, which permitted the well off to bet via credit accounts with bookmakers, where the working classes were forced to bet illegally. Some areas were more tolerant than others, but it was generally profitable enough to take the risk of prosecution. This led eventually to the legalisation of betting shops in 1961, but even then because there was (and is) a strong puritanical streak in the labour movement, it was viewed as something more to be ashamed of than celebrated. The legalisation actually restricted the activity rather than increase it, there were very strict rules on what a shop could do (punters weren't allowed to be made comfortable in any way), and after a few years the off course betting industry started to become a target for taxation and started a long decline and a process of consolidation into the big high street chains. So that many people's family involvement in a betting shop or as a runner is something that is kept as secret as if they were in some way a criminal, you'll find people don't like to talk about it. This means that a lot of the social history has been erased over time, often all you can find out about long lived and reputable firms is their name and maybe a pack of promotional playing cards. SP (starting price) bookmaking was as safe and regular an occupation between the wars, it would easily have fed a family. Regards Karen Researching in Yorkshire: Sheffield: ROCH, WALKER, ROWLAND & TOWERS (also Derbyshire) Bradford: BAKES, MUFF, PYRAH Kippax: PRINCE, COGAN Huddersfield: SHAW, TAYLOR

Hi everybody, Can anybody help with a URL? I remember a few years ago and on another computer having seen a series of maps of Sheffield from the early 1900s but I cant find them. I need to try to find Ward Place which was off Foxhill Rd in 1911 between 154 and 152 on the census enumerator's walk. It does not appear on the modern maps. thanks for any help Peter Lee researching LEE, GUITE, SENIOR SPEIRS in Sheffield area _________________________________________________________________ MSN straight to your mobile - news, entertainment, videos and more. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/147991039/direct/01/

Hi All, My granddad was a bookies runner for his father (my great-granddad) and I'm interested in finding out more about what both of them would have done. I had also been told through family stories that my great-granddad was involved in trying to make book-making legal but I don't know when this occurred. I assume that it must have been during the later 1920s or early 1930s as my granddad was born in 1917 and joined the RAF in 1936 and I can't imagine him doing it as a real youngster. Once it was legal he apparently wanted to open a betting shop but my great-grandmother told him 'to get a real job as he had a family to look after' so he never did. If anyone has any idea where I could look for information on this sort of thing I'd be very grateful. Regards Karen Researching in Yorkshire: Sheffield: ROCH, WALKER, ROWLAND & TOWERS (also Derbyshire) Bradford: BAKES, MUFF, PYRAH Kippax: PRINCE, COGAN Huddersfield: SHAW, TAYLOR