Hi Malcolm Welcome to the list. To subscribe to the Sheffield list, do the same as you did to join Eng-Rotherham BUT substitute ENG-ROTHERHAM for ENG-SHEFFIELD. Glad to see someone with plenty of information for others to go on - so come on everyone - whilst you're waiting for info on your own research, see if you can dig a little something out for Malcolm. And of course, if anyone has ANY information about anyone with the surname MULLINS (no matter what it may be: birth, marriage, death, census info (not 1881) etc.) please let me know. Thanks Tracy - Listowner Eng-Rotherham ----- Original Message ----- From: carrma To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 7:49 AM Subject: [ROTH] (ROTH) Carr, Kay, Casson, Wainwright, Shaw, Wood, Todd & (Park?) Hi, it's great to see so many people getting help through this group. So I am resubmitting my interests, seeing there are so many new members now. I would like to also submit this to the SHEFFIELD Discussion Group, how do I go about this please? My name is Malcolm Arnold Carr - I was born in Christchurch, New Zealand on 17 December 1945. After living in Sydney, Australia for 20 years, I have recently returned to live in Christchurch, New Zealand. I have been trying to trace my Great Grandfather, William CARR (son of James Carr), who worked as an engine fitter for the Yorkshire Engine Company. He married Emma KAY (born Grenoside or Shire Green? to George Kay & Ann CASSON) on 11th April 1868 at St Thomas's Church, Kimberworth, when he was 32. They had 3 children, Sarah Ellen, James (my Grandfather, born 3rd January 1871 at Jenkin Road, Brightside, educated at Brightside Boarding School) & William (lived for only 3 months). He died on the 17th May 1874 at Grimesthorpe, Sheffield, from pneumonia aged 38 years. The family was living at High St, Brightside Bierlow in the 1871 Census. His widow Emma remarried on February 1877 to George Samuel WAINWRIGHT - this family was living at 25 Adsett St, Brightside Bierlow in the 1881 Census (children: [Wainwright] Alfred 17, Joshua 15, George S. 14 & Emma J. 11; [Carr] Sarah E. 11 & James 10). Unfortunately, I have been unable to trace William Carr's birth - I have tried St. Catherine's House Index & the IGI, but couldn't find anything which made any sense. Not knowing his mothers name hasn't helped either. His son, another James Carr, emigrated to Christchurch, New Zealand in 1899, returning to England briefly in 1904 to see a specialist & to marry Annie Sarah SHAW (born October 31 1874 at Windhill, Shipley). I have tried to set out the above information in a sort of summary format below if it makes any clearer, together with my ancester's & their siblings salient details: James CARR (my ggg grandfather) of Openshaw (Manchester) & Sheffield, died about 1880, m. ? SCOTT brought up by Lady SCOTT with Mark FIRTH later Mayor of Sheffield. William CARR Fanny CARR James CARR (my gg grandfather) Joseph CARR Sarah Ann CARR Alice CARR James CARR (my gg grandfather) m. ?? William CARR (my g grandfather) William CARR (my g grandfather, d. May 17 1874 from pneumonia aged 38), 32, m. Emma Kay, 19 dau of George KAY & Ann nee CASSON on April 11 1868 at St Thomas's Church, Kimberworth (NOTE: William & Emma & family were living at High St, Brightside Bierlow in the 1871 Census. Sarah Ellen CARR b. Sep Q 1869 m. Frederick HORSFIELD, son of Charles HORSFIELD & Emma nee ? James CARR (my grandfather) b. Jan 03 1871 at Jenkin Rd, Brightside, Brightside Bierlow, d. Nov 30 1951 at Methven, New Zealand William CARR b. ?, d. ? (all I know is he lived for only 3 months) James CARR (my grandfather), 33, m. Annie Sarah SHAW, 29 dau of William SHAW & Harriet nee TODD of Windhill, Shipley, on October 30 1904 at St Thomas's Church, Wincobank (just prior to emmigrating to New Zealand). James Edwin CARR (my father), b. Jan 21 1906 at Ashburton New Zealand William Francis CARR, b. Aug 02 1907 at Sydenham, Christchurch, New Zealand Reginald Norman CARR, b. Dec 12 1909 at Christchurch, New Zealand Constance Irene CARR, b. Nov 02 1911 at Methven, New Zealand Margaret Winifred Elsie CARR, b. May 15, 1914 at Methven, New Zealand George KAY (my gg granfather), 23 son of ? KAY & ??, m. Ann CASSON, 23 on December 25 1846 by Banns in the Parish of Sheffield (NOTE: this family was living at Low Winkobank at the time of the 1881 Census, Ann's widowed mother Ann CASSON aged 90 & blind was living with them then). Emma KAY (my g grandmother b. Nov 16 1848 Grenoside or Shire Green?, Yorkshire, d. Nov 21 1925 Methven, New Zealand) m. William CARR Ann KAY, b. bet. 1857-58 at Ecclesfield Emma CARR nee KAY (my g grandmother), 28, remarried to George Samuel WAINWRIGHT, 40, widower, son of William WAINWRIGHT, on February 25 1877 at St Johns Church, Sheffield. William WAINWRIGHT m. ?? George Samuel WAINWRIGHT (my step g grandfather, b. bet. 1836-37 at Manchester, d. ??) [below are the children of George from his 1st marriage to ??, before he married Emma CARR nee KAY]: Alfred, b. bet. 1863-64 at W. Gorton, Lancashire Joshua, b. bet 1865-66 at W. Gorton, Lancashire George S., b. bet. 1866-67 at W. Gorton, Lancashire Emma J., b. bet. 1869-70 at W. Gorton, Lancashire John CASSON (my ggg grandfather, b. bet. 1798-99 at Ecclesfield) m. Ann WOOD (b. bet. 1790-91? at Wentworth [1881 Census] or Ecclesfield [1871 Census]?) on February 25 1823 at Ecclesfield (NOTE: Census of 3/4 April 1881 for Yorkshire, shows an Ann Casson, aged 90, living with her daughter's family at Low Winkobank, Ecclesfield. But age of 77 & blind in 2/3 April 1871 Census when she was living with her husband John CASSON age 72 at Butterthwaite, Ecclesfield). Ann CASSON (b. bet. 1823-24 at Ecclesfield) m. George KAY John CASSON, b. abt. 1827 at Ecclesfield Charles CASSON, b. abt. 1829 at Ecclesfield William CASSON, b. abt. 1835 at Ecclesfield George CASSON, b. abt. 1835 at Ecclesfield John SHAW (my gg grandfather) m. Henrietta SIMPKIN (b. abt. 1800 at Rillington) about February 10 1820 at Rillington Cum Scampston William SHAW b. bet. 1825-26 at Rillington Cum Scampston, d. April 04 1892 at N Bierley William SHAW (my g grandfather), 30, m Harriet TODD, 21, dau of Mark TODD & Sarah (PARK ?), on September 30 1856, at the Parish Church in the Parish of Bradford. Henrietta SHAW, b. Sep Q 1857 at Baildon, d. Dec 30 1889 Ellen SHAW, b. bet. 1858-59 at Baildon Lilly SHAW, b. bet. 1868-69 at Windhill, Shipley Annie Sarah SHAW (my grandmother), b. Oct 31 1874 at Windhill, Shipley Bertha Harriet SHAW, b. Mar Q 1876 at Bradford, d. Mar 13 1879 Evelyne SHAW, b. bet. 1877-78 at Windhill, Shipley Mark TODD (my gg grandfather), m Sarah (PARK ?) on March 13 1831 at Bradford Harriet TODD (my g grandmother) b. Bet. 1835-36 at Headingley, d. July 06 1903 at N Bierley Does anyone have any information to help with the above research?, or can suggest where I could look next? If anyone is interested in what I have found out so far, I can forward a copy. Regards, Malcolm Carr. ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the list. Anyone doing so will be removed - as will those who reply to such material - the listowner will deal with such issues off list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237