You have SNOWDROPS?!! I'm jealous! The only snowdrops I ever see are the ones falling from the sky!!! We won't have flowers until May! Oh, well, that's the price I pay for living in Alaska! But, by May, we'll have 24 hours a day of daylight to enjoy a riot of flowers! Thanks so much for all of you who have made Rotherham come alive and have helped me to get to know the place where my ancestors lived for many generations! Sue Renkert Fairbanks, Alaska ----- Original Message ----- From: "S.Todd" <todd@todd55.fsnet.co.uk> I can recommend the place just for the beauty of the ruins and at present the snowdrops which are flowering in abundance.

There is a photo of Roche Abbey at: http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/pages/tourism/whatto/heritage/abbey.htm Is this what it looks like now? Sue

>From: <belindar@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [ROTH] looking for >Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 22:37:58 -0500 > >Hi Jenny... > >have you looked at the free bmd (births,marriages,deaths) >http://freebmd.rootsweb.com > >They have a marriage for John Henry Littlejohn to Ada Hill in the March >quarter of 1894, reg. Barnsley, vol. 9c, pg 262; > >Freebmd also has two Fred Lapidge's >a. Fred Welford Lapidge died June qtr 1872, age 4, Goole, vol 9c pg 417 >b. Fred Hill Lapidge born June qtr 1876, Rotherham, vol 9c pg 660 > >And here's Harry... >Harry Bisset Hill born Sept. qtr 1871 Barnsley vol 9c pg166 > >It's kind of late here right now, but if you want me too look for more info >on these people (using the 1881 census, the 1901 census and an extractor >program) let me know and I'll give it a go. > >Good Luck. >Belinda Robinson >London Ontario Canada > > > > > From: "jenny owen" <deskjen1@hotmail.com> > > Date: 2003/02/25 Tue AM 04:35:34 EST > > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ROTH] looking for > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > heres the familys i'm interested in Arthur Lee from Darfield 1870's, > > Harriet Ann Hardcastle Darfield [ i think] 1870s, > > Caroline Balmforth [Bamforth] 1878 Durham family moved to Darfield >,Caroline > > is my grandma she married Fred Hill born 1871 can't find marriage for >them. > > Hill family Joseph & Emma married approx between 1851 & 1861 Darfield [ >cant > > find marriage for them ] > > Ada Hill [ b] 1876 married John Henry Littlejohn 1894, can't find >marriage > > for them either, they lived in Mexboro at some point then emigrated to > > South Australia early 1920s. I have photos of Ada and 3 children [grown >up] > > taken at photographers in Rotherham. > > Fred Lapidge and Harry Bisset Hill > > anyone can help will be appreciated. > > thks > > Jenny > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to > > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > > To reply to someone privately (off list), remember that the list is set >up to send all replies back to the ENG-ROTHERHAM list. Make sure the >correct recipient's address is in the 'to' line before sending. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > >==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== >Tell your friends about Eng-Rotherham and invite them to join us, the more >subscribers we have the more information we can share. Address to >subscribe: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > Belinda, yes I would like you to look further ,thank you. not one to knock back any assistance, ;-) Jenny _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp

I still have the napkin. It's one of those little folded paper napkins like you used to get at Woolworth's lunch counter. On it, in pencil, in my Dad's unmistakable backhand, it says: Harry Greaves 1830-1893 Anna Rogers Greaves 1832-1907 Daddy & Mama went back to Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania in 1969 or 1970 to visit Mama's Uncle Harry. Harry Greaves (Sr.) and Anna Rogers Greaves were Uncle Harry's parents - and Mama's grandparents. Mama was just beginning to get interested in genealogy, so they visited the graves at Beaver Falls' Grandview Cemetery, and Daddy copied the dates. I also had a scrap of paper with the notation that "Harry Greaves is not buried in the grave with the marker. His grave is in a different area, down over the hill." I puzzled about that, but, well, people do strange things. Years later, as I worked on trying to knock down my brick wall of who Harry's and Anna's parents were, I began to find a wide assortment of possible birth years for Great-Grandpa Harry Greaves, who also went by Henry Greaves, which I would later learn was his birth name, and his wife, Anna Rogers Greaves. Censuses and marriage records gave varying ages that would make his birthdate somewhere between 1834 and 1837. Anna was even worse! Her birthdate, based on various records, fell somewhere between 1832 and 1850. (Mama said her mother lied about her age. I see where she learned it!) So verifying the information on that paper napkin became my focus. I contacted a lookup volunteer in Beaver Falls and asked if he could locate the graves and verify the information, and possibly take a photograph for me. This person took photos of all the Greaves tombstones he could find, and also sent me map from the cemeterty office! But, while Uncle Harry & Aunt Ida were there, and he sent me a photo of their tombstone, he could find no record of Harry & Anna! I KNEW there had been a tombstone for them back in 1970, so why would it not be there now??? I was puzzled! Sometime later, a second person contacted me regarding my request. I explained that someone had taken pictures for me, but had been unable to locate stones for Harry & Anna. A few days later an e-mail brought the solution to the puzzle: She had mailed me photos of the tombstone, but wanted to explain the mystery - Harry & Ida are on one side of the stone, and Harry & Anna are on the other! It was an upright stone, and Harry & Anna were on the back! So now I have the correct birthdates for both of them. Sort-of. Harry was actually born in 1834. But, that's genealogy. Uncle Harry died in 1884 in Beaver Falls. His housekeeper, Mrs. Fisher, disposed of his belongings, including his family photo album! It has never been found. Now I have another story to chase down. Uncle Harry told Mama that his dad's parents lived to be very old. Actually, I have three different notes on this. Henry/Harry Greaves' father was a doctor in England (Sheffield area), who lived to be over 100 and died falling off a horse. Another note says he was 117 and died either falling off a buggy or in a buggy crash. And yet another note says that Henry/Harry's mother lived to be over 100 years old and died either falling off the porch or falling down the stairs! Well, there's probably a grain of truth in this somewhere. I haven't found anyone this old in the censuses. Maybe it was a relative further back - not Henry's father and mother. If anyone sees a record of a VERY OLD Greaves in the Sheffield area (most likely Rotherham), please let me know! Maybe another cemetery hunt is in order!

In response to Tracy's requests for memories of Rotherham - here goes. I was born at Moorgate General Hospital in the fifties, formerly the workhouse which is now no longer standing. I still live in Rotherham but for the last 26 years at Wickersley, prior to that I lived in the Broom area with my parents. I attended Broom Valley infant and junior school and remember walking across the fields near the New Broom pub to the Infant school with my friends - I could only have been about 6 or 7 years old and yet in those days ( I never thought I would ever hear myself say/write that!!) it was perfectly safe. I remember when they built the shops and library there and spoilt our journey to school. I also remember taking our dog for a walk with my brother in Boston park right through to where the District General Hospital now stands. There were just fields and tracks at that time although Oakwood Hall and the TB hospital were still there. My nanan died there in 1972 but by that time it was just used as a general hospital. Unfortunately I don't remember my paternal grandfather as he died when I was very young, but he was quite well known in Rotherham, particularly in Dalton and Thrybergh. His name was James Henry Townend and he owned a Boot and Repair shop on Whinney Hill. He founded the Dalton Primitive Methodist Chapel, was a councillor, magistrate and governor of the Rotherham Grammar School. He died in 1957 aged 72 - on his death certificate one of the causes was 'exhaustion'!! Does anyone remember the 'old' baths down near Tesco? Yes, believe it or not the Sheffield Road baths were known as the 'new' baths when I was at school. All the cubicles were on the side of the bath and I can remember hearing the sound of the steam hammer as I walked through town to my swimming lesson. I also remember going on the 'trackless' to visit my grandma at Thrybergh and on another much longer visit taking my Triang tricycle with me on one of those backloading buses and being terrified that it would roll off, but fortunately mum kept her eye on it. Hope this brings back a few memories. Julie Copley (nee Townend)

Hi Brian I visited Roche Abbey last summer and it appears to be a ruin. Whilst I was there I saw a wedding party arrive but it only seemd to be for photos. Of you do a google search there are lots of sites with info. http://www.google.co.uk/ Regards Sheila (South Wales) I transcribe for FreeBMD at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com Website: http://sheilakhan.topcities.com

Thank you Belinda for your helpful reply - I have made contact with a gentleman who is vaguely related to me, who was fostered after he was born in 1925 - his mother had him out of wedlock and he was born in the Royal Maternity Hospital in Edinburgh, where he is at present trying to get information from their archives. His mother came from North Yorkshire, so one wonders why she would go to Edinburgh to have her baby? Any further information would be greatly appreciated. Pat Smith, UK Researching SMITH (Wentworth, Yorkshire), HESLINGTON (North Yorkshire, Co Durham) SPARK (Co Durham SHAW (Barnsley, Silkestone) ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net

Hopefully my memory doesn't fail me here, but I asked this question before, having had a great-grandfather adopted around 1895. I believe the answer is that there were no formalized adoption records in Britain until at least 1929. Belinda Robinson London Ontario Canada > > From: "duncan payling" <duncanp@bigpond.net.au> > Date: 2003/02/26 Wed AM 02:30:23 EST > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROTH] child adoption > > G'day List, > > Just wondering if there were any formal adoption procedures in place in the UK circa 1886. > > My gf's parents died when he was about 8 and he was 'taken in' by relatives. Is it likely that there would have been any registration of such as he also apparently adopted their surname until he was 21yrs. > > Regards, > > Duncan Payling , Melbourne > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > The listowner for ENG-ROTHERHAM is Tracy, born and bred in Rotherham. > To contact me off list please use this address: > tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

G'day List, Just wondering if there were any formal adoption procedures in place in the UK circa 1886. My gf's parents died when he was about 8 and he was 'taken in' by relatives. Is it likely that there would have been any registration of such as he also apparently adopted their surname until he was 21yrs. Regards, Duncan Payling , Melbourne

Here's an interesting Rotherham site. It has, among other things, a town map that is zoomable by sections. http://www.rotherham.towntalk.co.uk/

Listing my interest in Rotherham Charles Philip SMITH and wife Mary - Occupation in the Brass Industry Son Charles Edward SMITH born in Rotherham around 1872. Other children - Annie Z, & Mary J. Does anyone have access to the 1871 census of that area who may be able to do a lookup for me please. Mary J. would not have been born at that time only Annie and Charles Cherie in Brisbane, Australia

Hi I am in Australia. Looking for William BEELEY b Masbro 1834 Went to Sheffield & married Harriet Clark He was a silversmith died before 1889 Kay in Melbourne

Hi listers, My parents grew up around Rotherham. My father's family moved there en masse from Staffordshire in about 1898: names included ALLEN, BROOKES and FLAVELL. Dad was born at 42 Queen St in 1903. Branches of the family proliferated around the area and lived at Sheffield and Wath as well as Rotherham. Dad's lot ended up in South Kirkby, where he met my mother. She had been born in Pontefract in 1903 to James and Frances GAUNT. They moved to South Kirkby when James worked at Frickley Colliery. My dad served his time there as a fitter and turner, and I think they went to the same church, too, so that's how they met. I'm interested in hearing from anyone else researching these lines or laterals thereof. Cheers, Satima Satima Flavell Neist in Perth, Western Australia satimafn@mpx.com.au Listadmin FLAVEL-L@rootsweb.com; GAUNT-L@rootsweb.com; HINCHLIFFE-UK-L@rootsweb.com; KILBURN-UK-L@rootsweb.com; ENG-YKS-Dewsbury-L@rootsweb.com and ENG-BLACKCOUNTRY-DIASPORA-L@rootsweb.com

Hi Jenny... have you looked at the free bmd (births,marriages,deaths) http://freebmd.rootsweb.com They have a marriage for John Henry Littlejohn to Ada Hill in the March quarter of 1894, reg. Barnsley, vol. 9c, pg 262; Freebmd also has two Fred Lapidge's a. Fred Welford Lapidge died June qtr 1872, age 4, Goole, vol 9c pg 417 b. Fred Hill Lapidge born June qtr 1876, Rotherham, vol 9c pg 660 And here's Harry... Harry Bisset Hill born Sept. qtr 1871 Barnsley vol 9c pg166 It's kind of late here right now, but if you want me too look for more info on these people (using the 1881 census, the 1901 census and an extractor program) let me know and I'll give it a go. Good Luck. Belinda Robinson London Ontario Canada > > From: "jenny owen" <deskjen1@hotmail.com> > Date: 2003/02/25 Tue AM 04:35:34 EST > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROTH] looking for > > > > Hi everyone, > heres the familys i'm interested in Arthur Lee from Darfield 1870's, > Harriet Ann Hardcastle Darfield [ i think] 1870s, > Caroline Balmforth [Bamforth] 1878 Durham family moved to Darfield ,Caroline > is my grandma she married Fred Hill born 1871 can't find marriage for them. > Hill family Joseph & Emma married approx between 1851 & 1861 Darfield [ cant > find marriage for them ] > Ada Hill [ b] 1876 married John Henry Littlejohn 1894, can't find marriage > for them either, they lived in Mexboro at some point then emigrated to > South Australia early 1920s. I have photos of Ada and 3 children [grown up] > taken at photographers in Rotherham. > Fred Lapidge and Harry Bisset Hill > anyone can help will be appreciated. > thks > Jenny > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > To reply to someone privately (off list), remember that the list is set up to send all replies back to the ENG-ROTHERHAM list. Make sure the correct recipient's address is in the 'to' line before sending. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi all Could I ask that listers please make the subject line relevant to the content of their message. For example: SMITH, BAKER, WILLIAMS (and the area, if known, that they are most likely to be located) Thanks Tracy Listowner

Hello Listing my interests. Edward Robinson married Ann Wright in Leeds 1783 four children William Edward,John & Ann. William Robinson lived in Wath on Dearne worked in Wentworth for a time married Mary Susanna Sorsby in 1819 Wath on Dearne. Had 4 children Thomas John,Hannah & Louise Thomas I am still trying to get conformation on his birth in Wentworth. Thomas Robinson married Margaret Shaw of Bolsterstone at Ecclesfield 1858 they had 12 children. My name interests are Etchells -Sheffield Robinson-Yorkshire-Sheffield Higton- Derbyshire Shaw- Bolsterstone -------Original Message------- From: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Date: 25 February 2003 04:05:06 To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROTH] Re: Welcome to ENG-ROTHERHAM Hi Taking up the list owners invitation to post my details to this list for the first time. I have an interest in LINEHAM family in Wath upon Dearne from 1860's to present. The SMITH family in Wentworth, starting with William Smith who married Elizabeth West on 10 Dec 1810. By marriage to these families are also the ADDY and CUSWORTH. I see there are already some people on the list who have sent me info on the Smith's. I already have quite a bit of info on the Lineham's but the Smith family, it is not easy! Bye for now Graham Grant Sydney Australia Researching Grant - Wigston Magna and Leicester 1780 to present. Follow - Stafford Staffordshire 1790 to present Gra(i)nger - Oadby Leicestershire, Cold Ashby and Great Oxendon Northants. Flatters - Horncastle area Lincs Smith - Wentworth Yorks Lineham - Newark, Wath upon Dearne. Bowley - Sheepshed Leicestershire ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== When posting to the list, please remember to add at least your christian name and the area or country where you live. This helps those who want to help you give you the best source of information. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Hi everyone, heres the familys i'm interested in Arthur Lee from Darfield 1870's, Harriet Ann Hardcastle Darfield [ i think] 1870s, Caroline Balmforth [Bamforth] 1878 Durham family moved to Darfield ,Caroline is my grandma she married Fred Hill born 1871 can't find marriage for them. Hill family Joseph & Emma married approx between 1851 & 1861 Darfield [ cant find marriage for them ] Ada Hill [ b] 1876 married John Henry Littlejohn 1894, can't find marriage for them either, they lived in Mexboro at some point then emigrated to South Australia early 1920s. I have photos of Ada and 3 children [grown up] taken at photographers in Rotherham. Fred Lapidge and Harry Bisset Hill anyone can help will be appreciated. thks Jenny _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp

Is anyone researching the BELLWOOD family in Rotherham Mary was born c 1803 and married 1825c to a George Lawrence in Rotherham Thanks Marilyn

I am looking for the Birth and marriage of Sarah WHITE in Rotherham Sarah was b.c 1805 and was married c. 1835 to George Lawrence/Laurence Thanks Marilyn

I am researching the following names in South Yorkshire :--- Steers, Hawson, Hobson, Birks, Garland, Swift, Richardson. Ken Graham