Hi there I have just been given a book Family names and Family History by David Hey It tells how names were formed and their origin and how some of the names moved around. I found it very useful when tracing the JEFFCOCK surname. If anyone would like me to have a look to see if their surname is in there then give me a shout. Talk soon Karen Hill

hello Karen Thanks for your offer of looking up a surname, could you look up BEAVON/BEVAN many thanks Marilyn Sometimes my mind wanders, and sometimes it leaves me altogether.

Hi there I have found in 1923 in Sheffield an Elijah Hinchliffe Phillipson living with my grandmothers foster father George Phillipson what looks like could be prior to his marriage to my grandmothers foster mother Eliza Ann. I started my family tree to try and find out why my grandmother, Glenfinella Hinchliffe and her sister Gwendoline, daughters of Tom and Elizabeth Hinchliffe after the death of their mother and possibly father, as I cannot find him, went to live with George and Eliza Ann Phillipson. It seems as I may have found my link. As the surname on the Electoral register is double barrelled I have persued Elijah Phillipson - I have one that possibly fits the bill from Grimoldby in Lincs. I have now found an Elijah Hinchliffe, funnily enough the same age (46) on the 1901 census living in Rotherham with his wife Elizabeth age 33 and child Ethel age 11. All born Rotherham. If lists Elijah Hinchliffe age 46 born Rotherham wagon wheel dresser. I wondered if anyone has access to the census from further back ie 1891 and 1871 to see if they can locate Elijah. I am hoping possibly it may show some other Hinchliffe connections. I am really desperate now and clutching at straws as I have been trying to find this link for a number of years. All offers of help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Karen Hill

Hello, All these letters about Roche Abbey reminded me that on the Census 1901; My great great aunt Elizabeth is stated as being born at Roche Abbey, Yorks. Is it a place or a registration district too? Edward BURGIN and his wife Mary A., with Elizabeth were living at Longley Bridge, Shiregreen, Yorkshire. (RG13 Place 4332 Folio 74 Page 7 Schedule Number 48) Edward BURGIN Head M 52 Notts, Newark Farm bailiff Mary A wife 52 Aberystwyth, Cardigan, Wales Elizabeth dau 17 Roche Abbey, Yorks The letters so far seem to only relate to it as a ruined abbey. Can anyone help? Sue Mann Toowoomba, Queensland Research interests: BURGIN; SIMPSON; COLLINS - Lincoln BURGIN; SARGESON; HARGREAVES; HUTCHINSON - Yorks. WOODHEAD; NUTTER; - Lancs THOMSON; MCCONNACHIE; DAVIE; PRYDE; CRAIK - Lanark, Midlothian

Hello Sue, There used to be houses at Roche, about four possibly five in a terraced row. I can just about remember them before they were demolished. How can I explain what they looked like to you? If you have never been to the abbey it will be difficult but here goes.......As I recall (and I do want to stress I was a very young child so may have missed some obvious things) the houses were situated at the bottom of a small limestone cliff, reached along the same path that took you to the Abbey ruins. The path was just a dirt track that went off through the woods to the right eventually coming out at Maltby Village. The path went up along the cliff to the main road between Maltby Village and Stone Hamlet and also a third section went a few hundred yards further along to the left to the Abbey ruins. The houses had windows on one side only as the back of them abutted upto the path which ran quite high - in other words the ground floor of the houses was a lot lower inside than the path outside! The front of the houses faced south and looked across the stream and over to the far side of the valley. This gives the impression of a vast landscape but it is quite the opposite. The stream is exactly that - just a little brook and the otherside of the valley is a lot less than half a mile. The houses had a little stone bridge in front that crossed the brook and as I recall there were apple trees. I don't remember if they had a communal yard or individual gardens. The fruit trees and the little bridge are still there but the houses are long gone. On the other side of the Abbey, a few hundred yards from Stone there were (they are still there) some larger houses, farms and what used to be a water mill. I don't know if these dwellings would be classed as Stone or Roche. Today they are within the boundary of the field at the back of the Abbey. Although the field is now private property it has a public footpath through it and is used a great deal by the general public. One of the best views of the abbey is to be had from the top end of this field! Sandra. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue & Richard Mann <suemann@enter.net.au> To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 7:08 AM Subject: [ROTH] Re: Roche Abbey > Hello, > All these letters about Roche Abbey reminded me that on the Census 1901; > My great great aunt Elizabeth is stated as being born at Roche Abbey, > Yorks. Is it a place or a registration district too? > Edward BURGIN and his wife Mary A., with Elizabeth were living at Longley > Bridge, Shiregreen, Yorkshire. > > (RG13 Place 4332 Folio 74 Page 7 Schedule Number 48) > Edward BURGIN Head M 52 Notts, Newark Farm bailiff > Mary A wife 52 Aberystwyth, Cardigan, Wales > Elizabeth dau 17 Roche Abbey, Yorks > > The letters so far seem to only relate to it as a ruined abbey. > Can anyone help? > > Sue Mann > > Toowoomba, Queensland > Research interests: BURGIN; SIMPSON; COLLINS - Lincoln > BURGIN; SARGESON; HARGREAVES; HUTCHINSON - Yorks. > WOODHEAD; NUTTER; - Lancs > THOMSON; MCCONNACHIE; DAVIE; PRYDE; CRAIK - Lanark, Midlothian > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > When posting to the list, please remember to add at least your christian name and the area or country where you live. This helps those who want to help you give you the best source of information. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

>From: <belindar@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Re: [ROTH] looking for >Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:00:14 -0500 > >Hi again Jenny: > >Here is Fred Lapidge as seen on the 1901 census: > > Fred Lapidge 25 Yorkshire Greasboro West Riding Yorkshire Darfield >Colliery Surface General Labourer > >He was not found living with any other Lapidge's. You'd have to buy a copy >of the census image to get more details, but he was likely boarding with >someone. > >There were 109 people with the last name of Lapidge enumerated on the 1901 >census, most of them living in Yorkshire. > >I'm not sure if this is your Harry Hill or not, but he was close in age to >Fred Lapidge & was working in the same field, and in the same town so I >picked him... > >Harry Hill 29 Yorks Darfield Yorks West Riding Darfield Colliery Labourer >Below Ground 1032985 24880682 Harry Hill > >This looks like Fred Lapidge as seen in 1881... >Household: > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability > Harriet LAPIGE Head W Female 67 Braithwaite, York, England > Emma HASTE Gr Daur Female 6 South Hendley, York, England >Scholar > Fred LAPIGE Gr Son Male 5 Greasbro, York, England Scholar > William HATTON Lodger W Male 51 Whitstable, Kent, England Ag >Lab > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Source Information: > Dwelling Barnby Dun > Census Place Barnby On Don, York, England > Family History Library Film 1342135 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 4694 / 70 > Page Number 16 > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >And this is most likely Harry B. Hill ... > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability > Joseph HILL Head M Male 48 Darfield, York, England Innkeeper > Emma HILL Wife M Female 45 Darfield, York, England > Sarah HILL Daur Female 15 Darfield, York, England Dressmaker > Fred HILL Son Male 10 Darfield, York, England Scholar > Harry B. HILL Grandson Male 9 Darfield, York, England >Scholar > John HILL Son Male 7 Darfield, York, England Scholar > Ada HILL Daur Female 5 Darfield, York, England Scholar > Elizabeth HEELEY Servant U Female 18 Darfield, York, England >Domestic Servant > William SHAW Boarder U Male 25 Swinton, York, England Coal >Miner > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Source Information: > Dwelling New Street Rising Sun Inn > Census Place Darfield, York, England > Family History Library Film 1342112 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 4606 / 29 > Page Number 51 > >I hope this gets you started. Good luck with the rest of your search. >Belinda > > > > > >==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== >Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the >list. Anyone doing so will be removed - as will those who reply to such >material - the listowner will deal with such issues off list. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > hi, again I should have read both messages instead of replying to one, this time you have done good :-) both of these match my family , my gr grandad bulit the Rising Sun Inn at New street and thats him and family and Fred Lapidge looks pretty good too. Thks Jenny. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp

>From: <belindar@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com >To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Re: [ROTH] looking for >Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:37:21 -0500 > >Hi Jenny: > >Here is what I've found so far: > >Name Age "WhereBorn" "AdministrativeCounty" Civil Parish >Occupation PageID PersonID "Person No Hyperlink" >Piece Folio1 Folio2 > >John Littlejohns 31 Cornwall Jacobstone >Yorkshire Rotherham Joiner 1435955 34363204 >John Littlejohns 4395 133 134 > >Ada Littlejohns 25 Yorks Darfield Yorkshire Rotherham >1435955 34363205 Ada Littlejohns 4395 133 134 > >Emma Littlejohns 6 Yorks Darfield Yorkshire >Rotherham 1435955 34363206 Emma Littlejohns 4395 133 134 > >Catherine Littlejohns 4 Yorks Darfield Yorkshire >Rotherham 1435955 34363207 Catherine Littlejohns 4395 133 134 > >Joseph Littlejohns 2 Yorks Darfield Yorkshire >Rotherham 1435955 34363208 Joseph Littlejohns 4395 133 134 > >I can't guarantee that this is 'your' John but this looked like the closest >possibility (1881 census www.familysearch.org ) >Household: > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability > Edwin LITTLEJOHNS Head M Male 26 Jacobstow, Cornwall, England >Farmer of 52 Acres > Mary R. LITTLEJOHNS Wife M Female 20 Jacobstow, Cornwall, >England ((Farmer's Wife)) > Catherine LITTLEJOHNS Mother W Female 52 Black Torrington, >Devon, England Annuitant > Catherine LITTLEJOHNS Sister U Female 22 Ashwater, Devon, >England ((Daughter Sister)) > John H. LITTLEJOHNS Brother Male 12 Jacobstow, Cornwall, >England Scholar > Rhoda M. LITTLEJOHNS Sister Female 9 Jacobstow, Cornwall, >England Scholar > Rhoda M. LITTLEJOHNS Daughter Female 1 Jacobstow, Cornwall, >England > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Source Information: > Dwelling Withevan > Census Place Jacobstow, Cornwall, England > Family History Library Film 1341545 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 2271 / 45 > Page Number 10 > >I will work on the Lapidges and Hills in a separate email. > >Belinda > > > >==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== >Remember to say 'please' and 'thankyou' in your postings - both go a long >way to getting responses. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > Hi Belinda, i'M not ungrateful but my Ada Hill was born in 1876 so in 1881 she would only be approx 5, I know John H Littlejohn was born in Sunderland, Durhamabout 1876 also , but I can't find out when he married Ada. Jenny, and what do all the numbers mean ? please. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp

Hi Steven, I think the name you are looking for is Laughton or as it should be Laughton-en-le-Morthen. There has always been a link between this village and Roche. I think that the original grant of land for the Abbey came from a resident of Laughton. As to the building at Laughton being from stones ransacked from the Abbey, this is indeed possible. The following is taken from the book "The Voices of Morbath" -if anyone has an interest in the Reformation I can recommend this book -..... "The attitudes of the man and woman in the pew towards the Dissolution are hard to assess, and must often have been ambivalent. But Morebath's acquisition of a window from the spoil of Barlinch should not be taken as a sign of approval. In the 1560's, a generation after the dissolution, a Yorkshire yeoman who had been part of a syndicate which had bought up the timber and bells from the steeple of Roche Abbey was asked by his son 'whether he thought well of the religious persons and the religion that was then used.' When he replied that he had indeed thought well of the monks, having had no occasion to think otherwise, his son asked 'then how came it to pass you was so ready to destroy and spoil the thing you thought well of? What could I do, he said: might I not as well as others have some profit of the Spoil of the Abbey? For I did see all would away: and therefore I did as others did." It would have to be a very early building if the abbey stones were used. It is quite common here abouts to say that anything that looks old 'was built with stones from Roche Abbey'. This mostly is not the case - I speak from experience as I live in a cottage built in 1754 - which everyone in the local areas presumes was built with these stones. Although the cottage does have flagstone floors they are not from the abbey - nor the stone used in the walls. Usually you can tell where the stone came from -there were numerous quarries in the area and the further west you go from the abbey the stone turns from white to cream and then to a reddish tinge. Although the quarry that was used for the abbey building is still there I doubt that any stones have been taken from it for many hundreds of years. Sandra. ----- Original Message ----- From: <steven.montgomery@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 1:08 AM Subject: [ROTH] Roche Abbey > Kia Ora to all > > Funny how ghost subjects come out. My great aunt Catherine O'Brien was house caretaker of Bullatree farm at Stoughton Houghton (spelling?) working for a Mr Yardley who was a tenant farmer for the Earl of Scarborough. Apparently the manor was built from some of the remains of Roche Abbey after Ollie Cromwell ransacked it, so the story I was told goes. Don't know how true it is but it was a colourful story. Only visited the farm once yonks ago but I was shown a photo of then. > > Must have been a showpiece when in bloom > > Steven from Downunder NZ > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > The listowner for ENG-ROTHERHAM is Tracy, born and bred in Rotherham. > To contact me off list please use this address: > tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Kia Ora to all Funny how ghost subjects come out. My great aunt Catherine O'Brien was house caretaker of Bullatree farm at Stoughton Houghton (spelling?) working for a Mr Yardley who was a tenant farmer for the Earl of Scarborough. Apparently the manor was built from some of the remains of Roche Abbey after Ollie Cromwell ransacked it, so the story I was told goes. Don't know how true it is but it was a colourful story. Only visited the farm once yonks ago but I was shown a photo of then. Must have been a showpiece when in bloom Steven from Downunder NZ

Hi List I have a birth certificate for a Fanny Beatrice Nussey 4/9/1862 Father John Nussey ..Inn Keeper, Greasbrough Rd and Mother Annie (Alsop) Also a Marriage Certificate between a William Thomas Reed Hart aged 22 ,Miner, 47 Hawksworth Rd , Parkgate Father John Hart. and Annie Maria Nussey aged 19 , Father John Nussey. If you have any connections to the above these are original certificates and available for free as I have been down the wrong line (again) please write off list. Kind Regards John Heaton Gray Rotherham, South Yorkshire, England My Family Interests Buck, Chamberlain, Gray, Heaton, Nichols, Pye http://uk.geocities.com/buckfamilyuk/Family.html

Hi again Jenny: Here is Fred Lapidge as seen on the 1901 census: Fred Lapidge 25 Yorkshire Greasboro West Riding Yorkshire Darfield Colliery Surface General Labourer He was not found living with any other Lapidge's. You'd have to buy a copy of the census image to get more details, but he was likely boarding with someone. There were 109 people with the last name of Lapidge enumerated on the 1901 census, most of them living in Yorkshire. I'm not sure if this is your Harry Hill or not, but he was close in age to Fred Lapidge & was working in the same field, and in the same town so I picked him... Harry Hill 29 Yorks Darfield Yorks West Riding Darfield Colliery Labourer Below Ground 1032985 24880682 Harry Hill This looks like Fred Lapidge as seen in 1881... Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Harriet LAPIGE Head W Female 67 Braithwaite, York, England Emma HASTE Gr Daur Female 6 South Hendley, York, England Scholar Fred LAPIGE Gr Son Male 5 Greasbro, York, England Scholar William HATTON Lodger W Male 51 Whitstable, Kent, England Ag Lab -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Barnby Dun Census Place Barnby On Don, York, England Family History Library Film 1342135 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4694 / 70 Page Number 16 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And this is most likely Harry B. Hill ... Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Joseph HILL Head M Male 48 Darfield, York, England Innkeeper Emma HILL Wife M Female 45 Darfield, York, England Sarah HILL Daur Female 15 Darfield, York, England Dressmaker Fred HILL Son Male 10 Darfield, York, England Scholar Harry B. HILL Grandson Male 9 Darfield, York, England Scholar John HILL Son Male 7 Darfield, York, England Scholar Ada HILL Daur Female 5 Darfield, York, England Scholar Elizabeth HEELEY Servant U Female 18 Darfield, York, England Domestic Servant William SHAW Boarder U Male 25 Swinton, York, England Coal Miner -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling New Street Rising Sun Inn Census Place Darfield, York, England Family History Library Film 1342112 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4606 / 29 Page Number 51 I hope this gets you started. Good luck with the rest of your search. Belinda

Hi Jenny: Here is what I've found so far: Name Age "WhereBorn" "AdministrativeCounty" Civil Parish Occupation PageID PersonID "Person No Hyperlink" Piece Folio1 Folio2 John Littlejohns 31 Cornwall Jacobstone Yorkshire Rotherham Joiner 1435955 34363204 John Littlejohns 4395 133 134 Ada Littlejohns 25 Yorks Darfield Yorkshire Rotherham 1435955 34363205 Ada Littlejohns 4395 133 134 Emma Littlejohns 6 Yorks Darfield Yorkshire Rotherham 1435955 34363206 Emma Littlejohns 4395 133 134 Catherine Littlejohns 4 Yorks Darfield Yorkshire Rotherham 1435955 34363207 Catherine Littlejohns 4395 133 134 Joseph Littlejohns 2 Yorks Darfield Yorkshire Rotherham 1435955 34363208 Joseph Littlejohns 4395 133 134 I can't guarantee that this is 'your' John but this looked like the closest possibility (1881 census www.familysearch.org ) Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Edwin LITTLEJOHNS Head M Male 26 Jacobstow, Cornwall, England Farmer of 52 Acres Mary R. LITTLEJOHNS Wife M Female 20 Jacobstow, Cornwall, England ((Farmer's Wife)) Catherine LITTLEJOHNS Mother W Female 52 Black Torrington, Devon, England Annuitant Catherine LITTLEJOHNS Sister U Female 22 Ashwater, Devon, England ((Daughter Sister)) John H. LITTLEJOHNS Brother Male 12 Jacobstow, Cornwall, England Scholar Rhoda M. LITTLEJOHNS Sister Female 9 Jacobstow, Cornwall, England Scholar Rhoda M. LITTLEJOHNS Daughter Female 1 Jacobstow, Cornwall, England -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Withevan Census Place Jacobstow, Cornwall, England Family History Library Film 1341545 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2271 / 45 Page Number 10 I will work on the Lapidges and Hills in a separate email. Belinda

Hi, Just reposting interests in these names in the following areas. Aston, Rawmarsh, Ecclesfield, Masborough My grandfather Walter BURGIN, joined the police force in 1897, when he was living in Rotherham. His police record states that he was born in 1875 in North Stavely, his birth certificate says 20 The Terraces, Aston. Is North Stavely part of Aston? He married Sophia Hargreaves HUTCHINSON in 1896 in Masborough. She was the daughter of John HARGREAVES and Maria HUTCHINSON, and, it would appear that after her mother died, she was brought up by her uncle William (or Walter) Simpson Hutchinson and his wife Clara, as she is with them on the 1881 Census. I would be very interested to hear from any one researching these families, or with information about the area. Sue Mann Toowoomba, Queensland Research interests: BURGIN; SIMPSON; COLLINS - Lincoln BURGIN; SARGESON; HARGREAVES; HUTCHINSON - Yorks. WOODHEAD; NUTTER; - Lancs THOMSON; MCCONNACHIE; DAVIE; PRYDE; CRAIK - Lanark, Midlothian

Without a bigger picture it's hard to say, there may be a few more stones have fallen off since the picture was taken but without knowing when it was taken it's hard to say. Otherwise, yes, that's Roche Abbey. Best wishes Tracy Listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Renkert To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 3:22 AM Subject: [ROTH] Roche Abbey There is a photo of Roche Abbey at: http://www.rotherham.gov.uk/pages/tourism/whatto/heritage/abbey.htm Is this what it looks like now? Sue ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Tell your friends about Eng-Rotherham and invite them to join us, the more subscribers we have the more information we can share. Address to subscribe: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

There are a number of pages on line about Roche Abbey that you may like to look at. I visit the Abbey at least two or three times per week and whilst it's correct to say the vandals have been having a good time, there are people out there who are trying to do something about it. Meanwhile I can recommend the place just for the beauty of the ruins and at present the snowdrops which are flowering in abundance. There has in the past been numerous events through out the Summer months, historic, musical and country pursuits have been catered for at one time or another. I do believe, however, that at the present time the limited parking means that such events will be few and far between. Hopefully this may be rectified at some future date. Don't let this put you off, the place is worth visiting any time of year and the surrounding area offers some pleasant walking. If we don't use these places we can't moan when we lose them! Sandra.

Hello Julie Thank you for that wonderful posting, this is just the sort of thing I've been trying to coax out of our many listers - memories, how things were (fields replaced by buildings, old hospitals - all that sort of thing is invaluable). I was born at Thrybergh and lived there until I was 21 so I know it like the back of my hand, but I don't know anything about it historically. A wonderful contribution, thank you Tracy Listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: Jultow@aol.com To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [ROTH] Another ROTHERHAM website In response to Tracy's requests for memories of Rotherham - here goes. I was born at Moorgate General Hospital in the fifties, formerly the workhouse which is now no longer standing. I still live in Rotherham but for the last 26 years at Wickersley, prior to that I lived in the Broom area with my parents. I attended Broom Valley infant and junior school and remember walking across the fields near the New Broom pub to the Infant school with my friends - I could only have been about 6 or 7 years old and yet in those days ( I never thought I would ever hear myself say/write that!!) it was perfectly safe. I remember when they built the shops and library there and spoilt our journey to school. I also remember taking our dog for a walk with my brother in Boston park right through to where the District General Hospital now stands. There were just fields and tracks at that time although Oakwood Hall and the TB hospital were still there. My nanan died there in 1972 but by that time it was just used as a general hospital. Unfortunately I don't remember my paternal grandfather as he died when I was very young, but he was quite well known in Rotherham, particularly in Dalton and Thrybergh. His name was James Henry Townend and he owned a Boot and Repair shop on Whinney Hill. He founded the Dalton Primitive Methodist Chapel, was a councillor, magistrate and governor of the Rotherham Grammar School. He died in 1957 aged 72 - on his death certificate one of the causes was 'exhaustion'!! Does anyone remember the 'old' baths down near Tesco? Yes, believe it or not the Sheffield Road baths were known as the 'new' baths when I was at school. All the cubicles were on the side of the bath and I can remember hearing the sound of the steam hammer as I walked through town to my swimming lesson. I also remember going on the 'trackless' to visit my grandma at Thrybergh and on another much longer visit taking my Triang tricycle with me on one of those backloading buses and being terrified that it would roll off, but fortunately mum kept her eye on it. Hope this brings back a few memories. Julie Copley (nee Townend) ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Remember to say 'please' and 'thankyou' in your postings - both go a long way to getting responses. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Brian And from me, who only lives a spit away from Roche Abbey, yes it is a ruin. Many people visit for a number of reasons, the scenery is beautiful - Roche Abbey lies in a clearing in a wooded valley, a stream runs through the ruins - all of which are now fenced off, I think they have Fete's there in the spring and summer, school parties visit it, I think there's a gift shop but that's all. Onto the detrimental side which is a real shame, up until perhaps a year ago it was notorious for drug users, thieves (who break into cars whilst people are out walking - the damage we actually saw one day whilst walking round Roche Abbey ourselves was unbelievable). A line of 8 cars had been parked when we set off, thank goodness we'd left ours up the lane, because when we came back all the lot had had their windows smashed and all contents removed - handbags and the like - anything they thought might have been of worth). It was also a site for cars being dumped and burnt out. Thankfully, there is now a barrier across the entrance to the lane leading down to the Abbey, it is open most of the day but the barrier comes down for the night about 7pm. The bungalow on the lane has been burgled (only last year), the local farmers and farmhands chased the thieves into the cornfields and I think they are all now in prison. My husband lived in one of the cottages across from the entrance to Roche Abbey from being early teens to 20, his parents still live there. If you don't find any positive info about your questions, I'll ask the in-laws, and there are a few old folk live in our village who will perhaps know the history of Roche Abbey. best wishes Tracy Listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Hough To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: [ROTH] Roche Abbey Hello I have recently come across an old family group photograph taken at my great grandfather's second wedding, he was then aged 76. We have only managed to identify a small number of the group of about 40 guests. >From the obtained marriage certificate it appears the wedding ceremony took place at Blaby near Doncaster in 1902. This group photograph was said to have been taken at Roche Abbey Rotherham. The only clue is the background to the group of an old stone wall and archway. I gather Roche Abbey is only a ruin now. My question is did Roche Abbey ever hold wedding receptions or was it only used as a scenic background for occasions such as this, with the reception being held nearby What happens at Roche Abbey these days? Brian Hough Eng Cheshire --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03 ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the list. Anyone doing so will be removed - as will those who reply to such material - the listowner will deal with such issues off list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

G'day Belinda and List, Thanks for input. Yes, from all accounts that would appear to be the case. I presume the only other alternative was an orphanage? Thank goodness for caring relatives. Regards, Duncan Payling Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: <belindar@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [ROTH] child adoption > Hopefully my memory doesn't fail me here, but I asked this question before, having had a great-grandfather adopted around 1895. I believe the answer is that there were no formalized adoption records in Britain until at least 1929. > > Belinda Robinson > London Ontario Canada > > > > > From: "duncan payling" <duncanp@bigpond.net.au> > > Date: 2003/02/26 Wed AM 02:30:23 EST > > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ROTH] child adoption > > > > G'day List, > > > > Just wondering if there were any formal adoption procedures in place in the UK circa 1886. > > > > My gf's parents died when he was about 8 and he was 'taken in' by relatives. Is it likely that there would have been any registration of such as he also apparently adopted their surname until he was 21yrs. > > > > Regards, > > > > Duncan Payling , Melbourne > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > > The listowner for ENG-ROTHERHAM is Tracy, born and bred in Rotherham. > > To contact me off list please use this address: > > tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > To reply to someone privately (off list), remember that the list is set up to send all replies back to the ENG-ROTHERHAM list. Make sure the correct recipient's address is in the 'to' line before sending. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello I have recently come across an old family group photograph taken at my great grandfather's second wedding, he was then aged 76. We have only managed to identify a small number of the group of about 40 guests. >From the obtained marriage certificate it appears the wedding ceremony took place at Blaby near Doncaster in 1902. This group photograph was said to have been taken at Roche Abbey Rotherham. The only clue is the background to the group of an old stone wall and archway. I gather Roche Abbey is only a ruin now. My question is did Roche Abbey ever hold wedding receptions or was it only used as a scenic background for occasions such as this, with the reception being held nearby What happens at Roche Abbey these days? Brian Hough Eng Cheshire --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.443 / Virus Database: 248 - Release Date: 10/01/03

Hi all, i am researching any information on the Bloor name in the Rotherham area. i have traced back to James Bloor born approx 1843? in Rawmarsh. i am also tracing back the Goodlad name from the hamlet of Stone nr Roche Abbey. apparently my Great Grandmother worked on the Earl of Scarborough's Estate, and her father was a gardener there. if anyone has any info i'd be pleased to hear from them. Chris Bloor