Hi all Just to officially welcome newcomers to ENG-ROTHERHAM. If you haven't posted to the list yet, please do - if you wish, you can post a brief introduction about yourself (optional) and who/what you are researching - and whatever else you'd like to share (so long as it's to do with family history/genealogy or related to Rotherham history). PLEASE REMEMBER to make the subject line of your message reflect the content, don't be lazy and just click reply - this will only leave the current subject line on show, and your message will probably be overlooked. Please encourage new members to ENG-ROTHERHAM, the more people we can tempt into subscribing, the more chance we all have of making a connection with someone who perhaps is searching the same family name. The list has gone quiet again - so existing members might like to take the opportunity of reposting their interests so that newcomers are aware of who's searching for who/what. and don't forget these most helpful websites: ROTHERHAM FAMILY HISTORY SOCIETY http://www.rotherhamfhs.f9.co.uk/ FREE BMD (a really useful site for tracing information on births/marriages/deaths already entered into the database - more information is uploaded monthly) http://freebmd.rootsweb.com Eng-Yorkshire Website: http://www.geocities.com/yshireuk/index.html Which, incidentally, is my website - and gives information particularly for those who are new to family history/genealogy. - and I'm sure there are many more which you can share with everyone in your postings. Thanks for supporting ENG-ROTHERHAM! Best wishes Tracy Listowner (email: tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk)

Hi Rotherham List Following Tracy's welcome to new members I thought it time I re-posted my interests in the area. BUTLER Thrybergh and Ravenfield STACEY Wentworth, Thorpe Hesley, Ravenfield TIRRELL Wickersley, Bramley, Maltby. Look forward to hearing from anyone who think they have a connection. Sheila (South Wales) I transcribe for FreeBMD at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com Website: http://sheilakhan.topcities.com

Hello Listers I thought I publish my name interest and I would like to hear from anyone else who has same interest Higton -Derbyshire(cromford,Wirksworth area) Taylor- Derbyshire Wilson-Derbyshire-Notts Robinson-Yorkshire-sheffield-Bolsterstone-Wentworth-Leeds Etchells-Sheffield Shaw-Bolsterstone Regards Thomas Herts all e-mail scanned by Nortons 2003 Antivirus Professional & protected by Nortons systems works 2003 Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. Isaac Asimov (1920 - 1992)

Hello Sue, Yes there are census for 1841, although some are are more complete than others. Where were you wanting to look and for whom Regards Marilyn Sometimes my mind wanders, and sometimes it leaves me altogether.

Hi Jenny, I found a few Balmforths for you... 7.4.1872. marr. Mary Ann BAMFORTH age 22.(d.Thomas BAMFORTH stock keeper) & Joseph WALTON age 24 (stock-keeper)both of Low Valley.(s. George Walton. Labourer.) witnessThomas Penty & Jane BOWER. Bapt 10.2.1785 Joeseph s.of. Joseph BALMFORTH ( s.of John and Sarah) of Melton and Susan Hick.(d. Susan Waddup of Melton) Bapt 29.2.1784 Susey d. of above at Wath All Saints

Hello Sue, Found a few details that I hope will be useful to you........ 28.2.1814. marr Benjamin GREAVES & Mary BRAMMER 31.7.1737. marr Jonas GRAVES (farmer) & Ann JONES both of Rotherham 27.1.1732. marr. John GREAVES (soap boiler) of Castleton, Derb. & Hannah HOYLAND birth. 1.3.1789. bapt.5.4.1789. George son Benjamin and Sarah GREAVES birth. 17.5.1806.bapt. 20.6.1806 Jane. d.of William & Sarah GREAVES birth 2.10.1814. bapt. 6.11.1814. Caroline.d.of Thomas (clerk) and Ann GREAVES birth. 25.9.1814. bapt 6.11.1814. Ann d.of. Benjamin & Mary GREAVES. All from Rotherham All Saints Parish Do you still need..birth of Benjamin GREAVES c. 1790& Mary BRAMMER.1793.c. If there is anything else from there let me know and I'll do my best Best wishes Marilyn Whether you think you can or think you cant, you are always right!

Hello everyone, Memories I have of living at Sunnyside Working Mens club in 1963, it wasÊ a great place to climb on and play cowboys and indians with the kids from school, it had a flat top at the back and you could see down the fields, I used to play footy with the kids on [it was a unused bowling green ] across the road and to the left, directly opposite SWMC was a hall we used to go to Sunday school there and I went to Flanderwell Lane primary school at the other end, is any of it still there ?, We had a chip shop next door and a paper shop and a butchers ont other side. My best friend Sharon Frith used to live across the road and up a bit. We would sometimes go on nature walks from school across the road through the woodsÊ and learn about the wildflowers and insects. I loved the bluebells still do but havnt seen many lately [10yrs or so.]. I used to play in the garages at the back of the council houses on Flanderwell road opposite some more shops [co-op] ?,Ê and all theÊ kids I hung around with would go and play in the coal heaps and unused railway carriages up near Wickersley. [I did heaps of stuff I wouldnt want my kids doing ] !! My mum wouldÊ take meÊ to the library,Ê next village along down the bottom of the hill heading towards Rotherham. can't remember the name [ sad intit ] ! Anyway hope I'm not too late for the memory thing . Jenny P.S. If Sunnyside Wmc is still there do you think someone can take a photo and send via email for me pls. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_messenger.asp

Hi everone, I have just recieved a copy of my granduncle, James BIRCH's marriage certificate. He married a girl called Una ROBERTS in 1932. Both were residents of Eastwood, and as far as I can make out they were married at the 'Primitive Methodist Chapel' ? I think this was the located at the corner of School Street and Doncaster Road, but has long since been demolished, but would be grateful for confirmation from anyone as the correct location and name. What's more interesting is that my Aunty seems to remember that Una may have had a sister who was murderted, apparently by a school teacher. Does anyone recall an event like this and if so when. I'd love to find out more but need to narrow down the year before browsing the Advertiser archives. Any assistance greatly appreciated. Regards John R Birch bluesplayer43@hotmail.com Researching: BIRCH, BONSOR, CROUDACE, COOK, HANSON, SKIDMORE _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://messenger.msn.co.uk

hi Karen, sorry I can't help with your search, I'm wondering if you can help me with mine, My family name is HILL and most originated in Darfield YKS, my gr,aunt Ada lived at Mexboro before emigrating with her husband and children. Can you tell me where your line of HILL's are from please. TIA Jenny _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/hotmail_mobile.asp

Sandra I think thats right Slade Hooten. You probably know Bullatree Farm. My great aunt left the farm when Mr Yardley died and she died at the grand old age of 98. I remember she used to draw water from a well. One of the rooms was a smoking room that had a lot of brass artifacts like hunting horns and bed pans on the walls and there was a chest for dirty monk habits lol. The barns were still standing hat had been built in Roman times. I hwas bequeathed the agreement of tenant farmer with Earl of Scarborough should frame it. Was also given a silver chalice from the Thorne Agricultural Fair where Mr Yardley predecessor won a prize for the best pen of gimmers. Took me ages to find out what gimmers were. Steven > > From: "S.Todd" <todd@todd55.fsnet.co.uk> > Date: 2003/03/04 Tue AM 10:29:45 GMT+13:00 > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ROTH] Roche Abbey Stones > > Hi Steven, > Do you mean Slade HOOTON. > There are others - HOOTON Levitt - HOOTON Pagnell - HOOTON Roberts. All > very close but as a contender I still put my money on Laughton (pronounced > Lorton). If you imagine a small circle then Maltby, Laughton, Hooton > Levitt, Roche, Stone are all on the circumference, with the brook running > through the valley bottom as the diameter. I live about 1000 yards from the > brook almost exactly opposite Hooton Levitt and as the crow flies from > Laughton. > Sandra > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <steven.montgomery@xtra.co.nz> > To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: [ROTH] Roche Abbey Stones > > > > G'day > > > > Could have been Slade Houghton > > > > S > > > > > > From: "S.Todd" <todd@todd55.fsnet.co.uk> > > > Date: 2003/03/02 Sun AM 05:33:04 GMT+13:00 > > > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [ROTH] Roche Abbey Stones > > > > > > Hi Steven, > > > I think the name you are looking for is Laughton or as it should be > > > Laughton-en-le-Morthen. There has always been a link between this > village > > > and Roche. I think that the original grant of land for the Abbey came > from > > > a resident of Laughton. > > > As to the building at Laughton being from stones ransacked from the > Abbey, > > > this is indeed possible. The following is taken from the book "The > Voices > > > of Morbath" -if anyone has an interest in the Reformation I can > recommend > > > this book -..... > > > "The attitudes of the man and woman in the pew towards the Dissolution > are > > > hard to assess, and must often have been ambivalent. But Morebath's > > > acquisition of a window from the spoil of Barlinch should not be taken > as a > > > sign of approval. In the 1560's, a generation after the dissolution, a > > > Yorkshire yeoman who had been part of a syndicate which had bought up > the > > > timber and bells from the steeple of Roche Abbey was asked by his son > > > 'whether he thought well of the religious persons and the religion that > was > > > then used.' When he replied that he had indeed thought well of the > monks, > > > having had no occasion to think otherwise, his son asked 'then how came > it > > > to pass you was so ready to destroy and spoil the thing you thought well > of? > > > What could I do, he said: might I not as well as others have some profit > of > > > the Spoil of the Abbey? For I did see all would away: and therefore I > did > > > as others did." > > > > > > It would have to be a very early building if the abbey stones were used. > It > > > is quite common here abouts to say that anything that looks old 'was > built > > > with stones from Roche Abbey'. This mostly is not the case - I speak > from > > > experience as I live in a cottage built in 1754 - which everyone in the > > > local areas presumes was built with these stones. Although the cottage > does > > > have flagstone floors they are not from the abbey - nor the stone used > in > > > the walls. Usually you can tell where the stone came from -there were > > > numerous quarries in the area and the further west you go from the abbey > the > > > stone turns from white to cream and then to a reddish tinge. Although > the > > > quarry that was used for the abbey building is still there I doubt that > any > > > stones have been taken from it for many hundreds of years. > > > Sandra. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <steven.montgomery@xtra.co.nz> > > > To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 1:08 AM > > > Subject: [ROTH] Roche Abbey > > > > > > > > > > Kia Ora to all > > > > > > > > Funny how ghost subjects come out. My great aunt Catherine O'Brien was > > > house caretaker of Bullatree farm at Stoughton Houghton (spelling?) > working > > > for a Mr Yardley who was a tenant farmer for the Earl of Scarborough. > > > Apparently the manor was built from some of the remains of Roche Abbey > after > > > Ollie Cromwell ransacked it, so the story I was told goes. Don't know > how > > > true it is but it was a colourful story. Only visited the farm once > yonks > > > ago but I was shown a photo of then. > > > > > > > > Must have been a showpiece when in bloom > > > > > > > > Steven from Downunder NZ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > > > > The listowner for ENG-ROTHERHAM is Tracy, born and bred in Rotherham. > > > > To contact me off list please use this address: > > > > tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > > go to: > > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > > > Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the > list. 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Hello Sue, Did you get a reply for the marriage of Benjamin Greaves and Mary Brammer that you were asking about?. I am going to try and get to Rotherham next week, so I will try and find them for you if you haven't got them already. Regards Marilyn Whether you think you can or think you cant, you are always right!

Hi Karen, Would be interested if the name Hickin is in your book. Many thanks, Cherie in Brisbane, Australia

Hi Karen: Have you considered that George Phillipson & the elder Elijah Hinchliffe might have been good friends, therefore George named his son after Elijah ... another thought, do you know Mrs. Phillipson's maiden name? Could she be a Hinchliffe? If she was related to the Hinchliffe's that would explain the girls going to live with that family. Always one to stir the pot, that's me! Belinda

Could you look up the origins of the following names: WOODCOCK HARRISON GRAHAM SCAMADINE CHATTERTON ASKIN DENTON Thanks, Cynthia Karen Hill wrote: > > Hi there > > I have just been given a book > Family names and Family History by David Hey

Sorry folks this is what it should have said ! ....... Hi there Belinda Thanks for the information and now you've got me thinking !! My grandfather was a glassblower. He married Glenfinella Hinchliffe. Glenfinellas father was Tom Hinchliffe. I am trying to form a link between Tom Hinchliffe, Elijah Hinchliffe (Phillipson)and the Phillipsons with whom my grandmother went to live. Note the occupations or places of work of the Elijahs you have sent me. I have never known how my grandfather and grandmother met. Possibly Elijah Hinchliffe (the younger) was staying with George Phillipson. Elijah possibly knew my grandfather from working in the glassblowing industry. Now there's something to ponder on ...... Thanks for the information, you may have something there ! Talk soon Karen Hill -------Original Message------- From: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Date: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 03:56:40 To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROTH] HINCHLIFFE help please Hi Karen: I don't know if the following are links to your family, but here goes: From 1901 census: Elizah Hinchliffe 63 Yorkshire Penistone York West Riding Ardsley Glassworks Blacksmith 886377 21480254 Elizah Hinchliffe 4312 32 33 Harriet Hinchliffe 53 Yorkshire Cleckheaton York West Riding Ardsley 886377 21480255 Harriet Hinchliffe 4312 32 33 Elizah Hinchliffe 19 Yorkshire Ardsley York West Riding Ardsley Glass Jar Maker 886377 21480256 Elizah Hinchliffe 4312 32 33 I believe the name should have been transcribed as "Elijah". I also think I found the same gentleman on the 1881 census, but having a different wife (and a son named Thomas)... Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Elijah HINCHLIFFE Head M Male 40 Thurlstone, York, England Colliery Blacksmith Sarah HINCHLIFFE Wife M Female 34 Dodworth, York, England Joseph HINCHLIFFE Son Male 13 Darton, York, England Scholar Mary L. HINCHLIFFE Daur Female 5 Ardsley, York, England Scholar Thomas E. HINCHLIFFE Son Male 3 Ardsley, York, England I hope this is helpful. Belinda Robinson London Ontario Canada ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Source Information: Dwelling Wombwell Lane Census Place Ardsley, York, England Family History Library Film 1342110 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4600 / 31 Page Number 57 > > From: "Karen Hill" <shys07572@blueyonder.co.uk> > Date: 2003/03/03 Mon AM 04:55:02 EST > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROTH] HINCHLIFFE help please > > > Hi there > > I have found in 1923 in Sheffield an Elijah Hinchliffe Phillipson living > with my grandmothers foster father George Phillipson what looks like could > be prior to his marriage to my grandmothers foster mother Eliza Ann. > I started my family tree to try and find out why my grandmother, Glenfinella > Hinchliffe and her sister Gwendoline, daughters of Tom and Elizabeth > Hinchliffe after the death of their mother and possibly father, as I cannot > find him, went to live with George and Eliza Ann Phillipson. > It seems as I may have found my link. > As the surname on the Electoral register is double barrelled I have persued > Elijah Phillipson - I have one that possibly fits the bill from Grimoldby in > Lincs. > I have now found an Elijah Hinchliffe, funnily enough the same age (46) on > the 1901 census living in Rotherham with his wife Elizabeth age 33 and child > Ethel age 11. All born Rotherham. > > If lists Elijah Hinchliffe age 46 born Rotherham wagon wheel dresser. > I wondered if anyone has access to the census from further back ie 1891 and > 1871 to see if they can locate Elijah. I am hoping possibly it may show some > other Hinchliffe connections. > > I am really desperate now and clutching at straws as I have been trying to > find this link for a number of years. > All offers of help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks > > Karen Hill > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > Post your interests frequently, new members are joining ENG-ROTHERHAM every day - if you only post once when you join, new members won't be aware of your interests. > Address for posting: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Tell your friends about Eng-Rotherham and invite them to join us, the more subscribers we have the more information we can share. Address to subscribe: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L-REQUEST@ROOTSWEB.COM ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

G'day Could have been Slade Houghton S > > From: "S.Todd" <todd@todd55.fsnet.co.uk> > Date: 2003/03/02 Sun AM 05:33:04 GMT+13:00 > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROTH] Roche Abbey Stones > > Hi Steven, > I think the name you are looking for is Laughton or as it should be > Laughton-en-le-Morthen. There has always been a link between this village > and Roche. I think that the original grant of land for the Abbey came from > a resident of Laughton. > As to the building at Laughton being from stones ransacked from the Abbey, > this is indeed possible. The following is taken from the book "The Voices > of Morbath" -if anyone has an interest in the Reformation I can recommend > this book -..... > "The attitudes of the man and woman in the pew towards the Dissolution are > hard to assess, and must often have been ambivalent. But Morebath's > acquisition of a window from the spoil of Barlinch should not be taken as a > sign of approval. In the 1560's, a generation after the dissolution, a > Yorkshire yeoman who had been part of a syndicate which had bought up the > timber and bells from the steeple of Roche Abbey was asked by his son > 'whether he thought well of the religious persons and the religion that was > then used.' When he replied that he had indeed thought well of the monks, > having had no occasion to think otherwise, his son asked 'then how came it > to pass you was so ready to destroy and spoil the thing you thought well of? > What could I do, he said: might I not as well as others have some profit of > the Spoil of the Abbey? For I did see all would away: and therefore I did > as others did." > > It would have to be a very early building if the abbey stones were used. It > is quite common here abouts to say that anything that looks old 'was built > with stones from Roche Abbey'. This mostly is not the case - I speak from > experience as I live in a cottage built in 1754 - which everyone in the > local areas presumes was built with these stones. Although the cottage does > have flagstone floors they are not from the abbey - nor the stone used in > the walls. Usually you can tell where the stone came from -there were > numerous quarries in the area and the further west you go from the abbey the > stone turns from white to cream and then to a reddish tinge. Although the > quarry that was used for the abbey building is still there I doubt that any > stones have been taken from it for many hundreds of years. > Sandra. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <steven.montgomery@xtra.co.nz> > To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 1:08 AM > Subject: [ROTH] Roche Abbey > > > > Kia Ora to all > > > > Funny how ghost subjects come out. My great aunt Catherine O'Brien was > house caretaker of Bullatree farm at Stoughton Houghton (spelling?) working > for a Mr Yardley who was a tenant farmer for the Earl of Scarborough. > Apparently the manor was built from some of the remains of Roche Abbey after > Ollie Cromwell ransacked it, so the story I was told goes. Don't know how > true it is but it was a colourful story. Only visited the farm once yonks > ago but I was shown a photo of then. > > > > Must have been a showpiece when in bloom > > > > Steven from Downunder NZ > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > > The listowner for ENG-ROTHERHAM is Tracy, born and bred in Rotherham. > > To contact me off list please use this address: > > tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the list. Anyone doing so will be removed - as will those who reply to such material - the listowner will deal with such issues off list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Karen: I don't know if the following are links to your family, but here goes: From 1901 census: Elizah Hinchliffe 63 Yorkshire Penistone York West Riding Ardsley Glassworks Blacksmith 886377 21480254 Elizah Hinchliffe 4312 32 33 Harriet Hinchliffe 53 Yorkshire Cleckheaton York West Riding Ardsley 886377 21480255 Harriet Hinchliffe 4312 32 33 Elizah Hinchliffe 19 Yorkshire Ardsley York West Riding Ardsley Glass Jar Maker 886377 21480256 Elizah Hinchliffe 4312 32 33 I believe the name should have been transcribed as "Elijah". I also think I found the same gentleman on the 1881 census, but having a different wife (and a son named Thomas)... Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Elijah HINCHLIFFE Head M Male 40 Thurlstone, York, England Colliery Blacksmith Sarah HINCHLIFFE Wife M Female 34 Dodworth, York, England Joseph HINCHLIFFE Son Male 13 Darton, York, England Scholar Mary L. HINCHLIFFE Daur Female 5 Ardsley, York, England Scholar Thomas E. HINCHLIFFE Son Male 3 Ardsley, York, England I hope this is helpful. Belinda Robinson London Ontario Canada -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling Wombwell Lane Census Place Ardsley, York, England Family History Library Film 1342110 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4600 / 31 Page Number 57 > > From: "Karen Hill" <shys07572@blueyonder.co.uk> > Date: 2003/03/03 Mon AM 04:55:02 EST > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROTH] HINCHLIFFE help please > > > Hi there > > I have found in 1923 in Sheffield an Elijah Hinchliffe Phillipson living > with my grandmothers foster father George Phillipson what looks like could > be prior to his marriage to my grandmothers foster mother Eliza Ann. > I started my family tree to try and find out why my grandmother, Glenfinella > Hinchliffe and her sister Gwendoline, daughters of Tom and Elizabeth > Hinchliffe after the death of their mother and possibly father, as I cannot > find him, went to live with George and Eliza Ann Phillipson. > It seems as I may have found my link. > As the surname on the Electoral register is double barrelled I have persued > Elijah Phillipson - I have one that possibly fits the bill from Grimoldby in > Lincs. > I have now found an Elijah Hinchliffe, funnily enough the same age (46) on > the 1901 census living in Rotherham with his wife Elizabeth age 33 and child > Ethel age 11. All born Rotherham. > > If lists Elijah Hinchliffe age 46 born Rotherham wagon wheel dresser. > I wondered if anyone has access to the census from further back ie 1891 and > 1871 to see if they can locate Elijah. I am hoping possibly it may show some > other Hinchliffe connections. > > I am really desperate now and clutching at straws as I have been trying to > find this link for a number of years. > All offers of help and suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks > > Karen Hill > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > Post your interests frequently, new members are joining ENG-ROTHERHAM every day - if you only post once when you join, new members won't be aware of your interests. > Address for posting: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Steven, Do you mean Slade HOOTON. There are others - HOOTON Levitt - HOOTON Pagnell - HOOTON Roberts. All very close but as a contender I still put my money on Laughton (pronounced Lorton). If you imagine a small circle then Maltby, Laughton, Hooton Levitt, Roche, Stone are all on the circumference, with the brook running through the valley bottom as the diameter. I live about 1000 yards from the brook almost exactly opposite Hooton Levitt and as the crow flies from Laughton. Sandra ----- Original Message ----- From: <steven.montgomery@xtra.co.nz> To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [ROTH] Roche Abbey Stones > G'day > > Could have been Slade Houghton > > S > > > > From: "S.Todd" <todd@todd55.fsnet.co.uk> > > Date: 2003/03/02 Sun AM 05:33:04 GMT+13:00 > > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [ROTH] Roche Abbey Stones > > > > Hi Steven, > > I think the name you are looking for is Laughton or as it should be > > Laughton-en-le-Morthen. There has always been a link between this village > > and Roche. I think that the original grant of land for the Abbey came from > > a resident of Laughton. > > As to the building at Laughton being from stones ransacked from the Abbey, > > this is indeed possible. The following is taken from the book "The Voices > > of Morbath" -if anyone has an interest in the Reformation I can recommend > > this book -..... > > "The attitudes of the man and woman in the pew towards the Dissolution are > > hard to assess, and must often have been ambivalent. But Morebath's > > acquisition of a window from the spoil of Barlinch should not be taken as a > > sign of approval. In the 1560's, a generation after the dissolution, a > > Yorkshire yeoman who had been part of a syndicate which had bought up the > > timber and bells from the steeple of Roche Abbey was asked by his son > > 'whether he thought well of the religious persons and the religion that was > > then used.' When he replied that he had indeed thought well of the monks, > > having had no occasion to think otherwise, his son asked 'then how came it > > to pass you was so ready to destroy and spoil the thing you thought well of? > > What could I do, he said: might I not as well as others have some profit of > > the Spoil of the Abbey? For I did see all would away: and therefore I did > > as others did." > > > > It would have to be a very early building if the abbey stones were used. It > > is quite common here abouts to say that anything that looks old 'was built > > with stones from Roche Abbey'. This mostly is not the case - I speak from > > experience as I live in a cottage built in 1754 - which everyone in the > > local areas presumes was built with these stones. Although the cottage does > > have flagstone floors they are not from the abbey - nor the stone used in > > the walls. Usually you can tell where the stone came from -there were > > numerous quarries in the area and the further west you go from the abbey the > > stone turns from white to cream and then to a reddish tinge. Although the > > quarry that was used for the abbey building is still there I doubt that any > > stones have been taken from it for many hundreds of years. > > Sandra. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <steven.montgomery@xtra.co.nz> > > To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 1:08 AM > > Subject: [ROTH] Roche Abbey > > > > > > > Kia Ora to all > > > > > > Funny how ghost subjects come out. My great aunt Catherine O'Brien was > > house caretaker of Bullatree farm at Stoughton Houghton (spelling?) working > > for a Mr Yardley who was a tenant farmer for the Earl of Scarborough. > > Apparently the manor was built from some of the remains of Roche Abbey after > > Ollie Cromwell ransacked it, so the story I was told goes. Don't know how > > true it is but it was a colourful story. Only visited the farm once yonks > > ago but I was shown a photo of then. > > > > > > Must have been a showpiece when in bloom > > > > > > Steven from Downunder NZ > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > > > The listowner for ENG-ROTHERHAM is Tracy, born and bred in Rotherham. > > > To contact me off list please use this address: > > > tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > > Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the list. 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Are there census records available for years prior to 1851? Wher can I find information on what data is available in early censuses? How can I learn where they might be available (microfilm, etc.)? Thank you for the information, Sue Renkert Fairbanks, Alaska

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