please reply to: tothfamily@cwctv.net Just received this marriage certificate which appears not to be my ancestor. Any use to anyone? 1839 marriage in Parish Church in parish of Rotherham after banns. 11 Aug 1839 William TAYLOR, of full age, batchelor, a filesmith. Residence unclear looks like Masbro or Wasbro. Father Joseph Taylor, labourer and Mary Ann Holley, of full age, spinster of same residence. Father William Holley, Plasterer. Witnesses: John Hinchcliff and what looks like Znathan Paiston? Can anyone suggest the place of residence and where it may be situated? George Regards George Toth of Stockport, UK Some names being researched: CASE worldwide TOTH - Europe/USA AREOFF & variants ALGER West Ham & Lincolnshire. GREENHOFF Barnsley HORS*MAN Bucks & London SALKELD Brampton Bierlow, Wath upon Dearne TAYLOR Brampton Bierlow & Barnsley, Yorks (pre 1896) & Canning Town, (post 1895) THORPE & NICHOLLS (Yorks & West Ham) NB - This digital cable Television system accepts text emails rejecting many other formats. It ADDS the truncated original message as an ATTACHMENT when replying. It does not have a cut & paste or address book. George

I certainly remember Clifton Hall - originally built as a drill hall for the local volunteer batallion of the York and Lancaster Regt. I amm afraid that the building was demolished c1988 and there is now a car park on the site. Tony Munford Rotherham England -----Original Message----- From: Stanley Bower [mailto:stanbower@bigpond.com] Sent: 06 April 2003 23:54 To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROTH] Update Hello Tony,, I thank you for your update on Rotherham..It's many years since I was there and a lot of water under the River Don bridge, I don't know if you remember the Clifton Dance hall, thats where I met my dear wife back in 1948. Thanks again Tony Regards Stan in Oz. ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Remember to say 'please' and 'thankyou' in your postings - both go a long way to getting responses. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

There is only one Anglican Church in Swinton - St Margarets. Rotherham Archives & Local Studies Service has a copy of the memorial inscriptions in the churchyard and copies of the burial registers - archives@rotherham.gov.uk. Tony Munford Rotherham England -----Original Message----- From: Diehard [mailto:diehard1967@shaw.ca] Sent: 08 April 2003 04:06 To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROTH] Wests in Swinton Hi everyone, I was wondering if there are many churches in Swinton. My GGGGramps was possibly buried there, He lived at 50 Wath Road in 1871 and he was dead by 1881, His wife Ann was living at 77 Wath Road in 1881 and she seems to be dead by 1891. Does anyone know of a gravestone site for Swinton Churches, if there isn't one but someone happens to be going gravestone hunting, please please could someone find my Wests. William, born 1809ish, Wortham, Suffolk Ann his wife born 1811, Wortham, Suffolk Any kids. Thank you in advance. Dianne in Canada, Yorkshire born and bred. ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Visit ENG-ROTHERHAM archives for past postings: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-ROTHERHAM ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The most likely place to find the archives of Firth Brown is Sheffield Archives, 52 Shoreham Street, Sheffield S1 4SP (sheffield.archives@dial.pipex.com). The most likely newspaper to have carried a report of your ggf's death would have been the Sheffield Daily Telegraph - copies at the Local Studies Library, Central Library, Surrey Street, Sheffield S1 1XZ (local.studies@dial.pipex.com) Tony Munford Rotherham England -----Original Message----- From: Karen Hill [mailto:shys07572@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 08 April 2003 11:20 To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROTH] Request for help with history of Firth Browns Hi there I am hoping someone may be able to help me with this one. I have made some telephone enquiries but as Firth Brown amalgamated with other Steel companies so long ago no-one can point me in the right direction as to where to find their archives. My great grandfather was killed in the steel works in May 1920. I am told he worked for Firth Brown, possibly the Cyclops works as he lived at Attercliffe on Worksop Road. The story is that a steel girder fell on him from a height, literally crushing him to death. Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where to start to look for a report on his death. I have tried to look for a report in the newspapers of the time but came up blank. I have looked for an obituary but nothing. Does anyone have any suggestions? Karen Hill SHEFFIELD, UK ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the list. Anyone doing so will be removed - as will those who reply to such material - the listowner will deal with such issues off list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Tony, I love you. Dianne. Thankyou. -------Original Message------- From: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Date: April 09, 2003 10:51:27 AM To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [ROTH] Wests in Swinton There is only one Anglican Church in Swinton - St Margarets. Rotherham Archives & Local Studies Service has a copy of the memorial inscriptions in the churchyard and copies of the burial registers - archives@rotherham.gov.uk. Tony Munford Rotherham England -----Original Message----- From: Diehard [mailto:diehard1967@shaw.ca] Sent: 08 April 2003 04:06 To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROTH] Wests in Swinton Hi everyone, I was wondering if there are many churches in Swinton. My GGGGramps was possibly buried there, He lived at 50 Wath Road in 1871 and he was dead by 1881, His wife Ann was living at 77 Wath Road in 1881 and she seems to be dead by 1891. Does anyone know of a gravestone site for Swinton Churches, if there isn't one but someone happens to be going gravestone hunting, please please could someone find my Wests. William, born 1809ish, Wortham, Suffolk Ann his wife born 1811, Wortham, Suffolk Any kids. Thank you in advance. Dianne in Canada, Yorkshire born and bred. ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Visit ENG-ROTHERHAM archives for past postings: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-ROTHERHAM ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== The listowner for ENG-ROTHERHAM is Tracy, born and bred in Rotherham. To contact me off list please use this address: tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 .

Hi Pete 21 Newburn Road, Tinsley RG13/4394 James MASON Head S 56 Coal Dealer Leicester Sutton Mary SMITH Serv S 42 Yorks Harrogate Elsie SMITH daughter 2 Yorks Sheffield 96 Claypit Lane Rawmarsh RG13/4399 P9 John T SMITH Head M 37 Engine Driver Collery surface winding engine Yorks Rawmarsh Hannah SMITH wife M 40 Yorks Sheffield Mary E SMITH daug S 8 " Rawmarsh Lucy A SMITH daug S 4 " " Hope you are lucky Regards Marion in Salford

I am researching the above surnames, mostly around Wickersley. Does anyone have any connections? Does anyone have access to census returns for the area? I am trying to find where Martha GRAYSON, who married John Middleton DOWNES was born? She died in 1880, but I would exact to find her on the 1841, 51, 61, and 71 census, all in Wickersley, she married in 1834 so would have been shown on the census as Martha DOWNES. Their children were: Elizabeth DOWNES b. 1834 Henry John Grayson DOWNES b. 1835 d. 1846 William DOWNES b. 1839 Mary Ann DOWNES b. 1841 Martha DOWNES b. 1842 Jane DOWNES b. 1844 John Middleton DOWNES b. 1849 Fanny DOWNES b. 1851 Sarah Ellen DOWNES b. 1852 Walter DOWNES b. 1855 Alice DOWNES b. 1858 Hoping someone can help? Ruth Hopkinson --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 01/04/03

Does anyone have a list of the pre 1841 census returns that are still in existance having names entered, I believe there are a few scattered around the country. Sandra.

Hi there I am hoping someone may be able to help me with this one. I have made some telephone enquiries but as Firth Brown amalgamated with other Steel companies so long ago no-one can point me in the right direction as to where to find their archives. My great grandfather was killed in the steel works in May 1920. I am told he worked for Firth Brown, possibly the Cyclops works as he lived at Attercliffe on Worksop Road. The story is that a steel girder fell on him from a height, literally crushing him to death. Can anyone point me in the right direction as to where to start to look for a report on his death. I have tried to look for a report in the newspapers of the time but came up blank. I have looked for an obituary but nothing. Does anyone have any suggestions? Karen Hill SHEFFIELD, UK

Hello Tracy. Thanks for the update on Hellaby Hall, at one time the tennants of the Hall went by the name of Carnelly, they worked the farm belonging to the property, On sunday mornings I would go from Hellaby all round Maltby with their son on a Horse and Cart selling milk. They were the good old days Tracy. Thanks again Tracy. Regards to you & the Listers. Stan in Oz.

Just to carry on Tony's update on Hellaby Hall, they've now started work on another extension consisting of 90 more bedrooms! They have their own health club, have recently extended the gym, and work starts soon on extending the changing rooms - it's all go at Hellaby Hall. So what's the history of the place exactly? Tracy Listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Munford Hi Stan You may be interested to know that Hellaby Hall, after many years in derelict condition, is now a luxury hotel. Tony Munford Rotherham England -----Original Message----- From: Stanley Bower [mailto:stanbower@bigpond.com] Hi to the Listers, This is my first posting to the list, My name is Stan Bower, Hence my interest in Bower Genealogy. I originated from Maltby and later Hellaby, I have good memories of my life in the area,

Hi everyone, I was wondering if there are many churches in Swinton. My GGGGramps was possibly buried there, He lived at 50 Wath Road in 1871 and he was dead by 1881, His wife Ann was living at 77 Wath Road in 1881 and she seems to be dead by 1891. Does anyone know of a gravestone site for Swinton Churches, if there isn't one but someone happens to be going gravestone hunting, please please could someone find my Wests. William, born 1809ish, Wortham, Suffolk Ann his wife born 1811, Wortham, Suffolk Any kids. Thank you in advance. Dianne in Canada, Yorkshire born and bred.

Hello Tony,, I thank you for your update on Rotherham..It's many years since I was there and a lot of water under the River Don bridge, I don't know if you remember the Clifton Dance hall, thats where I met my dear wife back in 1948. Thanks again Tony Regards Stan in Oz.

Hi All More names from the 1901 PURSEGLOVE SEVERN TEMPERTOU BULLENS BRIGGS GOODINSON WRIGHT RAMSDEN SMITH HIRST CLAYE WALKER BAMFORD All Rawmarsh RG13/4399 Regards Marion in Salford

Hi List As I haven't posted for a awhile, I thought I would list my surname interests. See below. Also, I have 1901 census returns with the following names listed: Florence COOPER Arthur STEVENS Mary STEVENS John BIBBY Susan BIBBY William BIBBY Walter TUNMOOR Elizabeth Jane " Walter " Harry " Wilfred " Alice " Amelia " William " Rosa Ann " James MASON Mary Smith Elsie " Charles SNOWDEN Susannah " John Geo " Samuel WIGFIELD Mary ROBINSON Tom " Jane " Sarah " Robert " Charlotte " John G FLATHER Elizabeth " All in Tinsley at Newburn Road RG13/4394 My Name Interests: SILKSTONE TUNMOOR MEEGAN COUPE WARRINER WHITE HEESON NADIN Regards Marion in Salford

Hi all Just to let everyone know, there are now 90 members on the ENG-ROTHERHAM list. Remember to tell your friends, relatives and neighbours about ENG-ROTHERHAM - you never know what information they might have in their cupboards - or in their memories. Best wishes Tracy - Listowner

Hi Listers, Posting our interests, any connections *George Greaves G eorge married Mary Wing a thirty one year old spinster 8th October 1799 in Ecclesfield. Mary the daughter of Thomas and Sarah wing was baptised 22nd Oct 1768 at Tankersley, most probably St Peters Church. The Children of George Greaves I found four children baptised to George and Mary . They were living at Tankersley Lane when they were baptising four of their children at St Peters church Tankersley. The baptism register reads: Greaves Richard Greaves Joseph twin children of George and Mary of Tankersley Lane Feb 28 1802. Greaves Mary daughter of George and Mary of Tankersley Lane Oct 7 1804. Greaves William son of George and Mary of Tankersley Feb 22 1807. George moved his family from Tankersley at some stage after the baptism of their fourth child William; most probably work being the reason. We next encounter George's family living at South Hole, Kimberworth, Rotherham where they appear on the 1841 census. Kenneth and Joan Littlewood Barnsley Yorkshire Researching: LITTLEWOOD..........Kirkburton/Holmfirth and Penistone CRABTREE...............Felkirk/South Hiendley/Barnsley GREAVES.................Ecclesfield/Tankersley/Thorpe Hesley/Barnsley STAFFORD...............Glossop/Penistone Please inform us prior or when sending an attachment Thank You

Hi to the Listers, This is my first posting to the list, My name is Stan Bower, Hence my interest in Bower Genealogy. I originated from Maltby and later Hellaby, I have good memories of my life in the area, Back in 1942 as a 15 year old I worked at Steel Peech & Tozers, then as a taxi driver at Helliwells in Norfolk St I think it was, after that at E & EJ Shaw's, a transport haulage firm later to become British Road Services. Eventually my wife and I lived in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and then back in Australia again. I have fond childhood memories of playing in Hellaby Hall, where my Grandfather at the age of 16 along with his younger brother worked as servants back in 1888. Sorry if I have bored anyone with my rambling Regards to the Listers Stan in Oz

Please can anyone help me to trace the death of Ann STRAFFORD between 1810 and 1813? She was the wife of John STRAFFORD, and would be in her late 20s or early 30s. At least until 1807 she was living in SCROOBY, Notts, and I have found the (later) deaths of her parents there, but not her death. I wondered if she had returned to, or been buried in, the Consiborough area where she was born, or to Wath upon Dearne where she married. I have drawn a complete blank, so any help would be much appreciated. Margaret currently in San Francisco

Hi Stan You may be interested to know that Hellaby Hall, after many years in derelict condition, is now a luxury hotel. All the buildings on Norfolk Street have gone and been replaced with Council offices and the vast melting shop at Steel, Peech and Tozer is now the Magna science adventure park/museum. Tony Munford Rotherham England -----Original Message----- From: Stanley Bower [mailto:stanbower@bigpond.com] Sent: 06 April 2003 02:15 To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ROTH] Newcomer Hi to the Listers, This is my first posting to the list, My name is Stan Bower, Hence my interest in Bower Genealogy. I originated from Maltby and later Hellaby, I have good memories of my life in the area, Back in 1942 as a 15 year old I worked at Steel Peech & Tozers, then as a taxi driver at Helliwells in Norfolk St I think it was, after that at E & EJ Shaw's, a transport haulage firm later to become British Road Services. Eventually my wife and I lived in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and then back in Australia again. I have fond childhood memories of playing in Hellaby Hall, where my Grandfather at the age of 16 along with his younger brother worked as servants back in 1888. Sorry if I have bored anyone with my rambling Regards to the Listers Stan in Oz ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== The listowner for ENG-ROTHERHAM is Tracy, born and bred in Rotherham. To contact me off list please use this address: tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237