A big Thank you to all who helped with my census question. Looks like the church archives for me. Has anyone details on how and where to search these? Sorry for all the silly questions but would like to get sorted before I leave Oz. Cheers Lynne _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail is now available on Australian mobile phones. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp

Sent on behalf of: tothfamily@cwctv.net Please reply to the above address for queries. I found these today whilst at the LDS FHC reading the film 1855-1878 Register of Baptisms of Christ-Church, in the parish of Wath Upon Dearne. To Joseph & Lucy Ann PEPPER of Hoober Hall, Farmer Page 6 Item No. 45 1866 30 Nov, John page 12 item no. 89 1858, 21 Mar, Henry page 16 no. 121, , missed the date, James page 20 no. 156, 1860, 12 Aug, Samuel page 28, no. 219, 1863 1 /jan, Joseph P32 no. 256 1864 17 July, George p41 no. 327 1866, 16 Sep, Charles Page 48 item no. 383, 1868 22 Mar, Lucy p55 no. 435, 1869, 10 May, Mary p63 no. 503, 1870, 24 Nov, Alice p67 no. 530, 1871, 31 Oct, Blanche p77 no. 613, 1874, 1 Jan, William p84 no. 669, 1875 16 Mar, Elizabeth To Thomaa & Emma PEPPER P24 no. 187, Blanche 1861 11 Oct P24 no. 188, Peter, 11 Oct 1861 To Henry & Hannah PEPPER of Brampton, Farmer p73 no. 578, 1873, 9 Jan, Henry p82 no. 655, 1874, 11 Oct, Fred p 89 no. 705, 1875 31 Jan, Mary Elizabeth To Robert & Ann UTTLEY of Brampton, Farmer page 8 no. 60, 1857 31 May, Robert Henry To John & Sarah BISBY of Melton, Waterman p36 no. 283, 1855 21 May, Thate (it looks like) To John & Sarah SALKELD of Hoober Hal, carpenter p 43 no. 340, Margaretta, 1866 9 Dec To Richard & Olive ROBINSON of Hoober Hall, Woodman p50 no. 399 1868, 28 Jun, Joe To Joseph & Eliza ROBINSON, of Mount Terrace, Brampton Bierlow, a miner p 53 no. 419, 1868 25 Oct, Allen p68 no. 544 1872, 25 Feb, Eleanor To James & Elizabeth Robinson of Mount Terrace, labourer page 62 no. 489, 1870, 5 Jun ,Walter p 83 no. 661, 1874, 27 Dec, Richard To Charles & Mar Ann (Salke;d) of Coaly Lane, Pudler p52 no. 409, 1868, 30 Aug, William (my grandfather) the vicar was Charles Hayes I'll go onto the next baptism register next week i.e 1878 onwards. I just managed to look at page 2 item 13 PEPPER, 1878, 21 Apr, Lucy - parents Henry & Hannah of the Bulls Head, Brampton, Farmer, before my time was up. George Regards George Toth of Stockport, UK Some names being researched: CASE worldwide TOTH - Europe/USA AREOFF & variants ALGER West Ham & Lincolnshire. GREENHOFF Barnsley HORS*MAN Bucks & London SALKELD Brampton Bierlow, Wath upon Dearne TAYLOR Brampton Bierlow & Barnsley, Yorks (pre 1896) & Canning Town, (post 1895) THORPE & NICHOLLS (Yorks & West Ham) NB - This digital cable Television system accepts text emails rejecting many other formats. It ADDS the truncated original message as an ATTACHMENT when replying. It does not have a cut & paste or address book. George

Some more of the baptisms that I scribbled down on Tuesday at the LDS Manchester. PEPPER, Henry & Hannah OF Brampton Bierlow (The bULLS hEAD pub) a farmer A daughter, Lucy, page 2 item 13 of baptisms from 1878, 21/4/1878. Samuel? & Lucy COOPER of West Melton, a miner page 3 No. 19, 28/4/1878, James John & Jane Cooper of Elsecar, a Blacksmith page 12 no. 94 27/4/1879, Maud John & Jane Cooper of Street, a Blacksmith page 95, item no. 754, 25/2/1877, a daur, Margaret. p 70 no. 559, 30/6/1872 p. 70 no. 560, 30/11/1872, Mary Henry & Martha Cooper of Street, a sawyer p. 95 no. 753, 25/2/1877, Willie p 70 no. 555, 30/6/1872, Ada William & Martha Ann Cooper, a slater page 51 no. 401 to 404, all these on 9 Aug 1868 - Francis Maude Laura Ann George Henry John Frank THORPE - William & Hannah Thorpe of Lee Broook, a gardener p 53 no. 420 27/10/1868, Alice James & Lucy Cooper of West Melton, a miner page 13 No. 98 27/4/1879, William Walter & Hannah Cooper of Hoober, a quarryman. p 13 no.104, 31/8/1879 Frederick p 98 no. 782 on 25/11/1877 a son, William Nathan & Sarah Cooper of West Melton, a miner page 22 No. 179, 3/10/1880 Sarah p 8 no. 57, 6/10/1878, Fred Nathan & Sarah Cooper of Brampton Bierlow, a miner page 94 no. 752, 25/2/1877, Martha William & Martha Cooper of Lee Brook, a slater p 86 no. 685 29/8/1875, Thomas Ernest p 75 no. 599, 31/8/1873, Amy Elizabeth Nathan & Sarah Cooper of Firth Lane, a miner. p 85 no. 675 on 28/3/1875, Henry Henry & Martha Cooper of Street, a sawyer p. 50 no. 396, 28/6/1868, Alfred p. 32 no. 253 17 Jan 1864 Clara (check date) p. 21 no. 164, 11/11/1860, Elizabeth James & Elizabeth Cooper of Firth Lane, a\ miner p. 42 no. 334, 3/9/1866, Henry p 31 no. 243, 9/10/1863, Elizabeth p. 20 no. 157, 19/8/1860, Jameson Law p. 15 no. 119, 13/3/1859, Eliza p. 2 no. 16, 25/12/1855, Samuel Henry & Mary FOSTER of Firth Lane, a Blacksmith p. 4 no. 32, 24/8/1856, Fred Charles & Ann KAY of Firth Lane, a miner p. 1 no. 4, 29/9/1855, Walter p. 1 no. 5, William p. 1 no. 6, Frederic, all same date. John & Mary CARR of West Melton, Farm labourer p 20 No. 154, 20 June 1880, Robert Thomas p 9 no. 71, 6/10/1878, James Arthur OXLEY - William & Hannah Oxley of Street, a Blacksmith p. 10 no. 80, 15/11/1857, Elizabeth George Regards George Toth of Stockport, UK Some names being researched: CASE worldwide TOTH - Europe/USA AREOFF & variants ALGER West Ham & Lincolnshire. GREENHOFF Barnsley HORS*MAN Bucks & London SALKELD Brampton Bierlow, Wath upon Dearne TAYLOR Brampton Bierlow & Barnsley, Yorks (pre 1896) & Canning Town, (post 1895) THORPE & NICHOLLS (Yorks & West Ham) NB - This digital cable Television system accepts text emails rejecting many other formats. It ADDS the truncated original message as an ATTACHMENT when replying. It does not have a cut & paste or address book. George

Hi all, i was born in welwyn garden city, and moved to Sheffield at 5, and remained there until i was 18 and moved to the US, where i currently reside. i am primarily tracing the Bloor line. My grandfather Harry was born in Rotherham in 1897, i'm not sure which school he attended. My GGrandfather Enoch was born in Rawmarsh in 1871, and married a girl from Stone. My GGGrandfather James was born in Rotherham in 1843, and my GGGGrandfather Enoch was born in Rotherham in 182?. i am trying to trace a James Bloor born around 1798 in Wath on Dearne, and married Sarah Hudson on Dec 1st 1819.

Hi everyone. I'm returning after a short break, so I'll repost my interests. Evans - Elsecar Kitchen - Street, Wentworth and Brampton Cocking - Rawmarsh Beaumont - Jump Rose - Elsecar, Wath-upon-Dearne and Sheffield !7th, 18th, and 19th century inclusive. Best wishes Mike Evans

Hello to the Listers. I was born in Maltby in 1927. In my early Teens during the WW2 years we lived at Hellaby.and I have treasured memories of my life there and at times regret leaving the area. I realize there have been many changes over the years, At the intersection of Bawtry RD & the left side of Hellaby Lane there used to be an old stone house there,. Could anyone please tell me if that old house is still standing there today . Half way down the hill at Hellaby on the right hand side of the road going towards Maltby there used to be four old stone cottages, Are they still there as well??. My interest in the place is that recently I found out that My Grandfather as a seventeen year old worked as a Servant at Hellaby Hall along with his younger brother. in the late 1880's and other family members lived in the Hellaby Cottages. , As a 10 year old I used to go to Hellaby Hall as I had friends that lived there in those days. Sorry if I have bored anyone with my Rambling Regards to the Listers Stan in OZ.

Hello All could SKS advise me of the earliest census records in Rotherham. Is there a possibility I might find records back to 1790 cheers Lynne _________________________________________________________________ Get mobile Hotmail. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp

Hi Listers Regarding early censuses (or should it be censi????) I recently found the record of 1801 census for Ravenfield recorded in the parish register fiche. It gave the names of all the male householders, the number of houses they owned, the number of families in each household and the number of male and female members of each family. I thought this a very exciting find and also of some help in knowing how many family members to search for. Sheila (South Wales) I transcribe for FreeBMD at http://freebmd.rootsweb.com Website: http://sheilakhan.topcities.com

I've picked up from other lists recently that any census taken prior to 1841 was for statistical reasons only - details were not recorded - only numbers. Below is a posting from another list that explains what is/isn't available census-wise - but I doubt it's gospel and many family history societies are busy transcribing their own areas: (Q - question, A - Answer) Does anyone know the best way to look up census info for each year? Q. 1831 - does it exist? A. like the 1801-1821 censuses - mainly totals - a few names of heads of household - not much published Q. 1841 ? A. some counties on CD from Stepping Stones etc, apparently from films (not the originals) and quality very variable with many 'blank pages' - a few indexes Q. 1851 - online subscription to genealogy.com which purports to have the complete census, but is it really complete? When someone did a lookup for me in that year (and I don't know what source he used), he had individuals that weren't on my online census from genealogy.com. What is another way to check that census? A. the best way in my experience is to get local indexes done by FHSs - quite widespread but variable in quality - you then get photocopies of relevant pages at or from reference libraries, LDS FHS centres etc Q. 1861 ? A. some indexes, not vast coverage Q. 1871 ? A. some indexes, not vast coverage Q. 1881 - CD's, any other source? A. on-line via the LDS/IGI (i.e. Mormon's) website & quite easy to use Q. 1891 - ancestry.co.uk-free two week trial - what's another way to see it once the trial runs out? A. don't know - a few publications in various formats Q. 1901-PRO online, free index, pay to see images. Does the decoder software make it free to see images? A. not sure what you mean by the 'decoder software' - index information free and some software available to extract as much data as is allowed, but they (PRO) have modified the site to make this less easy - you must pay to see the original images Q. When people offer to do census lookups, do they have CDs or something? Can CDs be obtained for each year? A. no - CDs mainly for 1881, some areas for 1841 (but buyer beware) and odd bits and bats for other years, printed or fiche indexes for 1851 (with a few going onto CD, but they are still only indexes) Tracy Listowner

Hi Lynne The earliest census that is available and of any use to family historians is the 1841 Rotherham FHS have just published it on CD. I think the earliest census was just statistics with no names. Pete Gill (Rotherham) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne West" <lynne_west@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: [ROTH] RE:census records > Hello All > could SKS advise me of the earliest census records in Rotherham. Is there a > possibility I might find records back to 1790 > cheers > Lynne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get mobile Hotmail. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > To reply to someone privately (off list), remember that the list is set up to send all replies back to the ENG-ROTHERHAM list. Make sure the correct recipient's address is in the 'to' line before sending. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thank you ever so much Ruth, it's so nice to receive a little help from friendly and helpful people, unlike another list I am subscribed to, which I wont mention who are having an all out war on each other. Thanks again Kenneth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth Hopkinson" <ruth.hopkinson@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 8:40 AM Subject: RE: [ROTH] Where are you? LOOK UP > Hello Kenneth > I have the 1871 census index for Rotherham. > this appears to be your family: > Piece RG10/4702 Folio 20 Enumeration District 1 Place ROTHERHAM > Surname Name Age County Birthplace > HAWKSWORTH ANN 58 YKS WHISTON > HAWKSWORTH ELIZABETH 27 YKS ROTHERHAM > HAWKSWORTH ELLEN 2 YKS ROTHERHAM > HAWKSWORTH GEORGE 26 YKS ROTHERHAM > HAWKSWORTH JOSEPH 1 YKS ROTHERHAM > HAWKSWORTH JOSEPH 56 YKS ROTHERHAM > > I hope thats helpful > Regards > Ruth > > > -----Original Message----- > From: kennethlittlewood > [mailto:kennethlittlewood@crabtree79.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: 15 June 2003 07:49 > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ROTH] Where are you? LOOK UP > > > I'm Here, Hello, > > Good Morning all, > > > We would like the help of a census check please, below is the information we > were kindly given for Joseph Hawksworth and his family. If possible could > anyone with the 1871 census do a look up for the family, I think the family > could be living in the Ecclesfield area > > Enjoy your day I intend to > Kindest Regards > > Kenneth > > ROTHERHAM 1861 Census > SURNAME FORENAME[S] REL STA AGE OCCUPATION BIRTHPLACE > HAWKSWORTH JOSEPH HEAD MAR 45 BRINSWORTH > ANN WIFE MAR 50 WHISTON > GEORGE SON 16 BRINSWORTH > CHARLOTTE DAU 14 BRINSWORTH > ALICE DAU 9 ECCLESFIELD > > > Kenneth and Joan Littlewood > Barnsley Yorkshire > > RESEARCHING: > LITTLEWOOD....KIRKBURTON, HOLMFIRTH, PENISTONE > CRABTREE.......FELKIRK, SOUTH HIENDLEY, BARNSLEY > GREAVES.........ECCLESFIELD, TANKERSLEY, THORPE HESLEY, BARNSLEY > STAFFORD.......GLOSSOP, PENISTONE > > Please inform us prior or when sending an attachment > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the > list. Anyone doing so will be removed - as will those who reply to such > material - the listowner will deal with such issues off list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > To reply to someone privately (off list), remember that the list is set up to send all replies back to the ENG-ROTHERHAM list. Make sure the correct recipient's address is in the 'to' line before sending. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Lynne: I think the following is correct (but feel free to correct me if I am wrong) ... The earliest census was about 1841 but useful information wasn't really provided until 1851,61,71,81,91,1901 censuses were taken. For earlier records you have to go through parish records, bishops transcripts, etc. If you are looking for something specific, why don't you pose a question to the list and see what kind of help listers might be able to provide? Given my experience, they are full of all kinds of useful trivia :o) Belinda Robinson London Ontario Canada > > From: "Lynne West" <lynne_west@hotmail.com> > Date: 2003/06/16 Mon PM 04:26:33 EST > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROTH] RE:census records > > Hello All > could SKS advise me of the earliest census records in Rotherham. Is there a > possibility I might find records back to 1790 > cheers > Lynne > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get mobile Hotmail. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilecentral/signup.asp > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > To reply to someone privately (off list), remember that the list is set up to send all replies back to the ENG-ROTHERHAM list. Make sure the correct recipient's address is in the 'to' line before sending. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Karen My G grandfather James O'Brien was also a glassblower at Beatson Clark as was his dad. My great aunt Florence O'Brien was a clerk there also Steven > > From: "Karen Hill" <shys07572@blueyonder.co.uk> > Date: 2003/06/15 Sun PM 10:38:26 GMT+12:00 > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ROTH] Where are you? > > Oops sorry about that everyone! > > Sorry Helen, I was just saying that my grandfather was a glass blower at > Beatson Clark. > I wondered, if you had the time, if you could tell me a little about the > place. Sadly my grandfather died when I was five and I know very little > about him. > > Many thanks > > > Karen Hill > Sheffield, UK > > -------Original Message------- > > From: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Date: 15 June 2003 11:17:22 > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [ROTH] Where are you? > > Hello Tracy and everyone, > I'm from Rotherham and still live here, overlooking the 14th century > Manorial Barn in the village of Whiston. Whiston was mentioned in the > Domesday Book but has been inhabited since the Stone Age. > I went to Rotherham High School from 1958 to 1964. Some old-established > companies I have worked for in the Rotherham area include Beatson Clark > Glassworks, Canning Town Glass, Bestobell Foundry, Guest & Chrimes Foundry, > and North Central Finance. We have a long association with the Glass > Industry, from the DUGDALES in Sunderland around 1850, through the TAYLORS > around 1890, down to my brother who worked in the Industry all his life, and > myself for a few years. > My family interests are:- > BAKER and RENTON from Barwick in Elmet and Leeds, > DUGDALE from Sunderland, York and Rotherham, > ASHMORE and ATKINSON from Hooton Levitt and Ecclesfield, > TAYLOR from Belper, Derbyshire and Rotherham, > PATCHING or PETCHING originally from Brighton. Great-grandpa PATCHING had > children in Barrow in Furness - Lancs, Radcliffe - Lancs, Horsted Keynes - > Sussex, Hull - Yorks, Grays - Essex and Horsey Island -Southampton, then his > wife died and he remarried and got 6 stepchildren! > The PATCHINGs moved to Bramley and Wickersley after grandfather came here to > help sink Thurcroft Colliery. > Ruth - my mother went to Wickersley School from 1913-1920, her name was MAY > PATCHING. She remembers lots of WADSWORTHS, but can't remember BESSIE > unfortunately. She says some WADSWORTHS ran a cinema in Attercliffe, > Sheffield. If you can provide more details on the family I'm sure she will > know them - she is 95 but has an excellent memory! > > Regards to everyone > Helen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tlh" <tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:28 PM > Subject: [ROTH] Where are you? > R > > > Hi all > > > > The list has gone quiet again........... > > > > So I thought a little exercise might liven things up - just to stop the > fingers from seizing.... > > > > > > For those who are still in Rotherham, which school did you go to? > > > > What time period was this? > > > > > > For those who originate from Rotherham, where were you born and where are > you now (town/county/country will do - no need to post your address). > > > > > > And for those who don't originate from Rotherham - where in the > country/world are you? > > > > > > Any other ideas to keep the list ticking over, please post them to me @ > tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk > > > > > > Tracy - Listower > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > > Visit ENG-ROTHERHAM archives for past postings: > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-ROTHERHAM > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > Do not post any VIRUS information to the list - many virus messages are hoax > - although some are not. If in doubt, never open messages with attachments > unless you have specifically requested information. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > . > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the list. Anyone doing so will be removed - as will those who reply to such material - the listowner will deal with such issues off list. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Kenneth I have the 1871 census index for Rotherham. this appears to be your family: Piece RG10/4702 Folio 20 Enumeration District 1 Place ROTHERHAM Surname Name Age County Birthplace HAWKSWORTH ANN 58 YKS WHISTON HAWKSWORTH ELIZABETH 27 YKS ROTHERHAM HAWKSWORTH ELLEN 2 YKS ROTHERHAM HAWKSWORTH GEORGE 26 YKS ROTHERHAM HAWKSWORTH JOSEPH 1 YKS ROTHERHAM HAWKSWORTH JOSEPH 56 YKS ROTHERHAM I hope thats helpful Regards Ruth -----Original Message----- From: kennethlittlewood [mailto:kennethlittlewood@crabtree79.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 15 June 2003 07:49 To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROTH] Where are you? LOOK UP I'm Here, Hello, Good Morning all, We would like the help of a census check please, below is the information we were kindly given for Joseph Hawksworth and his family. If possible could anyone with the 1871 census do a look up for the family, I think the family could be living in the Ecclesfield area Enjoy your day I intend to Kindest Regards Kenneth ROTHERHAM 1861 Census SURNAME FORENAME[S] REL STA AGE OCCUPATION BIRTHPLACE HAWKSWORTH JOSEPH HEAD MAR 45 BRINSWORTH ANN WIFE MAR 50 WHISTON GEORGE SON 16 BRINSWORTH CHARLOTTE DAU 14 BRINSWORTH ALICE DAU 9 ECCLESFIELD Kenneth and Joan Littlewood Barnsley Yorkshire RESEARCHING: LITTLEWOOD....KIRKBURTON, HOLMFIRTH, PENISTONE CRABTREE.......FELKIRK, SOUTH HIENDLEY, BARNSLEY GREAVES.........ECCLESFIELD, TANKERSLEY, THORPE HESLEY, BARNSLEY STAFFORD.......GLOSSOP, PENISTONE Please inform us prior or when sending an attachment ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the list. Anyone doing so will be removed - as will those who reply to such material - the listowner will deal with such issues off list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03

Hello Helen Hello Karen, My Grandma's uncles ran two cinemas, Tinsley and Wincobank picture palaces. I'd love to find out more about that. Grandma remembers the decision being taken to introduce talking pictures. Her sisters, Kathleen and Irene worked in the ticket office, and at least one of her brothers married an usherette! Interestingly I also have connections in Belper, my Dads family (HOPKINSON, BOWLER, BATTERLEY) were there for from at least 1800, and my maternal Grandfathers (TOMLINSON, HUNT) family also came from Belper. Ruth -----Original Message----- From: Helen Dugdale [mailto:helen@helendugdale.evesham.net] Sent: 15 June 2003 11:16 To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ROTH] Where are you? Hello Tracy and everyone, I'm from Rotherham and still live here, overlooking the 14th century Manorial Barn in the village of Whiston. Whiston was mentioned in the Domesday Book but has been inhabited since the Stone Age. I went to Rotherham High School from 1958 to 1964. Some old-established companies I have worked for in the Rotherham area include Beatson Clark Glassworks, Canning Town Glass, Bestobell Foundry, Guest & Chrimes Foundry, and North Central Finance. We have a long association with the Glass Industry, from the DUGDALES in Sunderland around 1850, through the TAYLORS around 1890, down to my brother who worked in the Industry all his life, and myself for a few years. My family interests are:- BAKER and RENTON from Barwick in Elmet and Leeds, DUGDALE from Sunderland, York and Rotherham, ASHMORE and ATKINSON from Hooton Levitt and Ecclesfield, TAYLOR from Belper, Derbyshire and Rotherham, PATCHING or PETCHING originally from Brighton. Great-grandpa PATCHING had children in Barrow in Furness - Lancs, Radcliffe - Lancs, Horsted Keynes - Sussex, Hull - Yorks, Grays - Essex and Horsey Island -Southampton, then his wife died and he remarried and got 6 stepchildren! The PATCHINGs moved to Bramley and Wickersley after grandfather came here to help sink Thurcroft Colliery. Ruth - my mother went to Wickersley School from 1913-1920, her name was MAY PATCHING. She remembers lots of WADSWORTHS, but can't remember BESSIE unfortunately. She says some WADSWORTHS ran a cinema in Attercliffe, Sheffield. If you can provide more details on the family I'm sure she will know them - she is 95 but has an excellent memory! Regards to everyone Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "tlh" <tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: [ROTH] Where are you? R > Hi all > > The list has gone quiet again........... > > So I thought a little exercise might liven things up - just to stop the fingers from seizing.... > > > For those who are still in Rotherham, which school did you go to? > > What time period was this? > > > For those who originate from Rotherham, where were you born and where are you now (town/county/country will do - no need to post your address). > > > And for those who don't originate from Rotherham - where in the country/world are you? > > > Any other ideas to keep the list ticking over, please post them to me @ tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk > > > Tracy - Listower > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > Visit ENG-ROTHERHAM archives for past postings: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-ROTHERHAM > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Do not post any VIRUS information to the list - many virus messages are hoax - although some are not. If in doubt, never open messages with attachments unless you have specifically requested information. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 10/06/03

G'day Tracy and listers, Although not born and bred in Rotherham my family have had a long association with the area. My ggf, John PAYLING an ag lab, from Fulbeck in Lincolnshire migrated northwards along with many others to seek work in the mining and steelworking industry in and around Rawmarsh. The 1881 census has him at age 51 living at Oak Terrace near Green Lane Farm Rawmarsh. (I am still trying to determine when these houses were demolished and if any photographs exist.) Seemingly he became a coal miner along with a number of his 15 children one of whom was my gf Quinn PAYLING. Unfortunately both ggm Sarah nee COBB from Clarborough in Nottinghamshire (53yrs) and ggf John (56 yrs) both died of Bronchopneumonia when Quinn was only 9 years old and he was taken in by an aunt and uncle. As his uncle was a mine manager, living at Beechwood House, Sandhill Lane, it appeared inevitable that Quinn (and his brothers) would also became a coal miner. He did and eventually married and the 1901 census has him living at 164 Clay Pit Lane, Rawmarsh (or is it Swinton?) My father was born at this address. He joined the army and after a long period overseas eventually moved to Sheffield where I spent most of childhood. However both my mother and father worked in Rotherham for many years. My mum was a health visitor in Rotherham and my father worked in the laboratory at Doncaster Gate Hospital. On retirement they moved to Kimberworth and stayed. Although my schooling was all based in Sheffield I eventually joined Steel Peech and Tozer and spent over 9 memorable and enjoyable years there before moving on. I also met my wife Marie there, and surprise surprise she was a Rawmarsh girl and her father was a coal miner. We lived in Rotherham for a number of years and after moving around with my job emigrated to Australia in 1980. Thanks to the power of the www and lists like this I have found a 2nd cousin and my wife has made contact with her best friends when she was at Rosehill school all too many yeras ago!! I would be happy to hear from any one who has any interest in any of the above. Best wishes from Melbourne, Australia Duncan Payling

> Geoge there used to be a glassworks in Wombwell less than a mile from Bramton Bierlow based on the side of the canal was a quite big place Regards Alan born Darfield lived Wombwell now Bolton Lancs > From: <tothfamily@cwctv.net> > Date: 2003/06/15 Sun PM 04:07:46 GMT > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [ROTH] RE:Helen Digdale & Glass Makers > > > --1055693266090 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Hi Helen > > My maternal grandfather was a glass blower, and suspect that he was an apprentice at Wood Bros in Barnsley, although born in Brampton Bierlow, Wath. He was William TAYLOR b. 6 Jun 1868. By 1896 he had become a journeyman (qualified tradesman) and went to work at the Canning Town glassworks in West Ham, Essex. He married my grand mother Josephne Elizabeth CASE on xmas day 1896 in Canning Town. > > My mother was their second daughter, born 1900. > > William's father was Charles Taylor b. 1842/5 in Brampton B. His mother was Mary Ann SALKELD b. 1849/50 in Brampton B. and daur of George Salkeld of Hoober & Sarah U(or O)ttley b. 1827/8 in Street. > > How can I prove that my William TAYLOR had been an apprentice at Wood Bros in Barnsley? > > George > > Regards > George Toth of Stockport, UK > > Some names being researched: > CASE worldwide > TOTH - Europe/USA > AREOFF & variants > ALGER West Ham & Lincolnshire. > GREENHOFF Barnsley > HORS*MAN Bucks & London > SALKELD Brampton Bierlow, Wath upon Dearne > TAYLOR Brampton Bierlow & Barnsley, Yorks (pre 1896) > & Canning Town, (post 1895) > THORPE & NICHOLLS (Yorks & West Ham) > > NB - This digital cable Television system accepts text emails rejecting many other formats. > > It ADDS the truncated original message as an ATTACHMENT when replying. It does not have a cut & paste or address book. George > > On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:15:41 +0100 "Helen Dugdale" <helen@helendugdale.evesham.net> wrote: > > --1055693266090 > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline > > Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.39]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); > Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:12:18 +0100 > Received: (from slist@localhost) > by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id h5FAHHLh010941; > Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:17:17 -0600 > Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:17:17 -0600 > X-Original-Sender: helen@helendugdale.evesham.net Sun Jun 15 04:17:16 2003 > Message-ID: <003701c33327$2ebd39c0$258687d9@dugdalebtinternet.com> > From: "Helen Dugdale" <helen@helendugdale.evesham.net> > Old-To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > References: <028e01c331fb$30acf720$385b87d9@pbncomputer> > Subject: Re: [ROTH] Where are you? > Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:15:41 +0100 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > X-Priority: 3 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 > Resent-Message-ID: <aJhLWC.A.xqC.teE7-@lists2.rootsweb.com> > To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-From: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Reply-To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > X-Mailing-List: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/459 > X-Loop: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com > Return-Path: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com > > Hello Tracy and everyone, > I'm from Rotherham and still live here, overlooking the 14th century > Manorial Barn in the village of Whiston. Whiston was mentioned in the > Domesday Book but has been inhabited since the Stone Age. > I went to Rotherham High School from 1958 to 1964. Some old-established > companies I have worked for in the Rotherham area include Beatson Clark > Glassworks, Canning Town Glass, Bestobell Foundry, Guest & Chrimes Foundry, > and North Central Finance. We have a long association with the Glass > Industry, from the DUGDALES in Sunderland around 1850, through the TAYLORS > around 1890, down to my brother who worked in the Industry all his life, and > myself for a few years. > My family interests are:- > BAKER and RENTON from Barwick in Elmet and Leeds, > DUGDALE from Sunderland, York and Rotherham, > ASHMORE and ATKINSON from Hooton Levitt and Ecclesfield, > TAYLOR from Belper, Derbyshire and Rotherham, > PATCHING or PETCHING originally from Brighton. Great-grandpa PATCHING had > children in Barrow in Furness - Lancs, Radcliffe - Lancs, Horsted Keynes - > Sussex, Hull - Yorks, Grays - Essex and Horsey Island -Southampton, then his > wife died and he remarried and got 6 stepchildren! > The PATCHINGs moved to Bramley and Wickersley after grandfather came here to > help sink Thurcroft Colliery. > Ruth - my mother went to Wickersley School from 1913-1920, her name was MAY > PATCHING. She remembers lots of WADSWORTHS, but can't remember BESSIE > unfortunately. She says some WADSWORTHS ran a cinema in Attercliffe, > Sheffield. If you can provide more details on the family I'm sure she will > know them - she is 95 but has an excellent memory! > > Regards to everyone > Helen > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tlh" <tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:28 PM > Subject: [ROTH] Where are you? > R > > > Hi all > > > > The list has gone quiet again........... > > > > So I thought a little exercise might liven things up - just to stop the > fingers from seizing.... > > > > > > For those who are still in Rotherham, which school did you go to? > > > > What time period was this? > > > > > > For those who originate from Rotherham, where were you born and where are > you now (town/county/country will do - no need to post your address). > > > > > > And for those who don't originate from Rotherham - where in the > country/world are you? > > > > > > Any other ideas to keep the list ticking over, please post them to me @ > tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk > > > > > > Tracy - Listower > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > > Visit ENG-ROTHERHAM archives for past postings: > > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-ROTHERHAM > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > Do not post any VIRUS information to the list - many virus messages are hoax - although some are not. 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--1055693266090 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Helen My maternal grandfather was a glass blower, and suspect that he was an apprentice at Wood Bros in Barnsley, although born in Brampton Bierlow, Wath. He was William TAYLOR b. 6 Jun 1868. By 1896 he had become a journeyman (qualified tradesman) and went to work at the Canning Town glassworks in West Ham, Essex. He married my grand mother Josephne Elizabeth CASE on xmas day 1896 in Canning Town. My mother was their second daughter, born 1900. William's father was Charles Taylor b. 1842/5 in Brampton B. His mother was Mary Ann SALKELD b. 1849/50 in Brampton B. and daur of George Salkeld of Hoober & Sarah U(or O)ttley b. 1827/8 in Street. How can I prove that my William TAYLOR had been an apprentice at Wood Bros in Barnsley? George Regards George Toth of Stockport, UK Some names being researched: CASE worldwide TOTH - Europe/USA AREOFF & variants ALGER West Ham & Lincolnshire. GREENHOFF Barnsley HORS*MAN Bucks & London SALKELD Brampton Bierlow, Wath upon Dearne TAYLOR Brampton Bierlow & Barnsley, Yorks (pre 1896) & Canning Town, (post 1895) THORPE & NICHOLLS (Yorks & West Ham) NB - This digital cable Television system accepts text emails rejecting many other formats. It ADDS the truncated original message as an ATTACHMENT when replying. It does not have a cut & paste or address book. George On Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:15:41 +0100 "Helen Dugdale" <helen@helendugdale.evesham.net> wrote: --1055693266090 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from lists2.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.39]) by smtp.cwctv.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:12:18 +0100 Received: (from slist@localhost) by lists2.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id h5FAHHLh010941; Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:17:17 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 04:17:17 -0600 X-Original-Sender: helen@helendugdale.evesham.net Sun Jun 15 04:17:16 2003 Message-ID: <003701c33327$2ebd39c0$258687d9@dugdalebtinternet.com> From: "Helen Dugdale" <helen@helendugdale.evesham.net> Old-To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> References: <028e01c331fb$30acf720$385b87d9@pbncomputer> Subject: Re: [ROTH] Where are you? Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2003 11:15:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Resent-Message-ID: <aJhLWC.A.xqC.teE7-@lists2.rootsweb.com> To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/459 X-Loop: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com Return-Path: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L-request@rootsweb.com Hello Tracy and everyone, I'm from Rotherham and still live here, overlooking the 14th century Manorial Barn in the village of Whiston. Whiston was mentioned in the Domesday Book but has been inhabited since the Stone Age. I went to Rotherham High School from 1958 to 1964. Some old-established companies I have worked for in the Rotherham area include Beatson Clark Glassworks, Canning Town Glass, Bestobell Foundry, Guest & Chrimes Foundry, and North Central Finance. We have a long association with the Glass Industry, from the DUGDALES in Sunderland around 1850, through the TAYLORS around 1890, down to my brother who worked in the Industry all his life, and myself for a few years. My family interests are:- BAKER and RENTON from Barwick in Elmet and Leeds, DUGDALE from Sunderland, York and Rotherham, ASHMORE and ATKINSON from Hooton Levitt and Ecclesfield, TAYLOR from Belper, Derbyshire and Rotherham, PATCHING or PETCHING originally from Brighton. Great-grandpa PATCHING had children in Barrow in Furness - Lancs, Radcliffe - Lancs, Horsted Keynes - Sussex, Hull - Yorks, Grays - Essex and Horsey Island -Southampton, then his wife died and he remarried and got 6 stepchildren! The PATCHINGs moved to Bramley and Wickersley after grandfather came here to help sink Thurcroft Colliery. Ruth - my mother went to Wickersley School from 1913-1920, her name was MAY PATCHING. She remembers lots of WADSWORTHS, but can't remember BESSIE unfortunately. She says some WADSWORTHS ran a cinema in Attercliffe, Sheffield. If you can provide more details on the family I'm sure she will know them - she is 95 but has an excellent memory! Regards to everyone Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "tlh" <tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 11:28 PM Subject: [ROTH] Where are you? R > Hi all > > The list has gone quiet again........... > > So I thought a little exercise might liven things up - just to stop the fingers from seizing.... > > > For those who are still in Rotherham, which school did you go to? > > What time period was this? > > > For those who originate from Rotherham, where were you born and where are you now (town/county/country will do - no need to post your address). > > > And for those who don't originate from Rotherham - where in the country/world are you? > > > Any other ideas to keep the list ticking over, please post them to me @ tlh@party7.fsnet.co.uk > > > Tracy - Listower > > > > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== > Visit ENG-ROTHERHAM archives for past postings: > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-ROTHERHAM > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Do not post any VIRUS information to the list - many virus messages are hoax - although some are not. 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Hi Kenneth Ecclesfield is in Sheffield not Rotherham - the only look-ups anyone can do for 1871 is at the Archives so you have to hope that someone is willing to make a trip there for you. Best wishes Tracy Listowner ----- Original Message ----- From: kennethlittlewood To: ENG-ROTHERHAM-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [ROTH] Where are you? LOOK UP I'm Here, Hello, Good Morning all, We would like the help of a census check please, below is the information we were kindly given for Joseph Hawksworth and his family. If possible could anyone with the 1871 census do a look up for the family, I think the family could be living in the Ecclesfield area Enjoy your day I intend to Kindest Regards Kenneth ROTHERHAM 1861 Census SURNAME FORENAME[S] REL STA AGE OCCUPATION BIRTHPLACE HAWKSWORTH JOSEPH HEAD MAR 45 BRINSWORTH ANN WIFE MAR 50 WHISTON GEORGE SON 16 BRINSWORTH CHARLOTTE DAU 14 BRINSWORTH ALICE DAU 9 ECCLESFIELD Kenneth and Joan Littlewood Barnsley Yorkshire RESEARCHING: LITTLEWOOD....KIRKBURTON, HOLMFIRTH, PENISTONE CRABTREE.......FELKIRK, SOUTH HIENDLEY, BARNSLEY GREAVES.........ECCLESFIELD, TANKERSLEY, THORPE HESLEY, BARNSLEY STAFFORD.......GLOSSOP, PENISTONE Please inform us prior or when sending an attachment ==== ENG-ROTHERHAM Mailing List ==== Do not post unsavoury material or anything which may upset others to the list. Anyone doing so will be removed - as will those who reply to such material - the listowner will deal with such issues off list. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi everybody Like Pat I also have an interest in Smith's in Wentworth, so far we have not been able to make a connection. Mine is James Smith, who was a tailor in the village, born 1817 and married to Sarah Addy in 1840, they had a number of children including Joe Smith. He married Eliza Alice Lineham who lived in Wath upon Dearne. Her father was Elijah Lineham, who was, for a number of years the census enumerator for the Wath No. 1 district. Joe and Eliza Alice had a number of children who were born in Wath, Gorton Lancs. Oxford and Leicester. Joe was a chemist and druggist and moved around. Leicester is were I come in, Joe and Eliza Alice were my ggrandparents, I was born in Leicester but migrated to Sydney Australia in 1966 which is were I live now. Bye for now Graham Grant Sydney Australia Researching Grant - Wigston Magna and Leicester 1780 to present. Follow - Stafford Staffordshire 1790 to present Gra(i)nger - Oadby Leicestershire, Cold Ashby and Great Oxendon Northants. Flatters - Horncastle area Lincs Smith - Wentworth Yorks Lineham - Newark, Wath upon Dearne. Bowley - Sheepshed Leicestershire