Thanks to Harry for that information about James Sayer. looks like we definiely have 2 James, one a sailor the other a jet worker. I'll follow up Harry's comments with hime off line. best wishes laurel sayer -----Original Message----- From: Harry Sayer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday 16 February 2006 21:04 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYorks] James Sayer of Whitby Hi Laurel . A James was bapt 13 June 1815 , son of James and Charlotte . A James married Isabella Hutchinson at Whitby on 18 Feb1837 A James, Master Mariner , is recorded as Owner or part Ownerof several ships from1838-1857 . In addition a Capt James Sayers ship left Alexandria on 11 Feb 1871 .On 17 March the ship was becalmed and an , unsuccessful , attempt on the ship was made by pirates .This may account for his absence from the general 1871 Census returns . The James who died 1862 could be the elder . Dunsley and Newholm are small villages about 1 mile apart . This combining of names where small populations are involved is not uncommon in Yorkshire . cheers , Harry Sayer Who has similar interests to Laurel . ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 2:06 PM Subject: [NYorks] James Sayer of Whitby > Hello > > I wonder if anyone can help me solve a puzzle about a James Sayer of Whitby. > > James was born in about 1815 in Whitby, the son of James Sayer and Charlotte > (nee Williamson) > > By 1841 James would appear to have been married and living in Haggersgate, > Whitby, and according to the census, working as a house carpenter. > > The 1851 census lists a James born at East Row, Whitby, living with wife > Isabella and a niece, Isabella Cook ( Isabella, aged 15, has not been > identified as yet). James was apparently working as a jet factor in > Ruswarp, Whitby, quite a different occupation from Carpenter. > > Then the 1855 Slaters director has a James Sayer listed as a ship owner > living at Wellington Place. > > In 1861 census a James and Isabella and their niece Isabella Cook are listed > at Wellington Terrace, Whitby. (is this the same as Wellington Place or a > different address?) Again is this the same James- his place of birth is now > given as Newholme cum Dunsley, not Whitby. (There is a Newholm, Whitby but > the census clearly states Newholme cum Dunsley). > > James does not appear on the 1871 census so perhaps he died - there is a > death of a James Sayers in qtr ending June 1862 in Whitby. > > So, why the variety of occupations - do we have one James here or two? The > birth date of 1815/16 seems consistent but the birth place varies and so do > the occupations. of course, it is possible that he started work as a > carpenter, made the boat which he leased out, and worked himself as a worker > of jet until his death in the early 1860s. I've checked Ancestry.co.uk for > any obvious answers, but nothing. > > Would any lister have the answer? I dont have his marriage record and have > not had sight of any original birth or death records. Are there some local > records that might help? > End of ENG-NORTH-YORKS-D Digest V06 Issue #45 *********************************************