Oh boy do I need some help - please !! The following bapt entry is from Topcliffe by Thirsk PRs and dated 1778:- "Christopher 1st son of Christopher Forster of Rainton saddle tree maker son of John of Rainton saddle tree maker by Jane his wife daughter of Richard Eden of Kirby Knowle - and of Jane daughter of John Dinnis of Rainton lab: by Dorothy daughter of John Ward of Middlesmoor lab: and Ellen daughter of Thomas Walker of Flawith" If I am reading it correctly then Christopher is son of Christopher and Jane {Dinnis] and I have a marriage for them 30th Aug 1776 - Christopher was bapt 1749 at Topcliffe and Jane Dinnis 1753 at Coxwold so that's Ok The problem is with John's wife Jane dau of Richard Eden. I cannot find a marr for these two but if Jane dau of Richard Eden is correct, she was bapt 1740 in Kirby Knowle and so would have been only 9 when Christopher [1749] bapt. I had hoped she might have had an adult bap but have checked Kirby Knowle records - transcript from Cleveland & N Yorks FHS - and all Richard's children between 1727 and 1743 appear to have been bap in a regular order. I wonder did the cleric make a mistake - Jane did have a elder sister Mary bapt 1734 - a bit more likely re: age, or there was a Jane dau William Eden but she was bap 1700 and I believe she marr 1736 in Leake. Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can sort this out? I would really appreciate any comments. Cheers Jean [going slowly round the twist]

Hi Jean, I don't have an answer to your problem, but I do know that mistakes can easily be made. In my husband's ancestry there were (at least) two mistakes. The IGI said that my husband's GGG Grandmother Ellen Plaxton was born to Charles and Ellen Plaxton. I'm 99% sure that the father was George (census and marriage certificate), in spite of checking both the PRs and the BTs and coming up with Charles. I'm almost as certain that Charles and his wife Mary had emigrated to Canada by the time Ellen was born, and my thoughts are that the vicar was discussing Charles' departure with George and accidentally wrote the wrong brother. These things happen. On a completely different part of the tree, and a marriage not a baptism, the bride's and groom's fathers' christian names were switched on the marriage certificate, James and John. In this case I could check up on the baptisms and realised the mistake. In your case, although I expect it is physically possible to have a baby at 9, I doubt if it has ever been legal to marry at such an early age. Could your Jane have been the daughter of Richard's brother, in a similar way to the scenario I described? It might be worth checking other EDENs born in the same area. The wording you have described is confusing to say the least!! I'm sorry I couldn't have been more help, but at least you know that mistakes do happen and that sooner or later we all end up going round the twist.....!!! Regards, Jan > From: jean.greenwood2@ntlworld.com> To: eng-north-yorks@rootsweb.com> Date: Thu, 1 May 2008 18:20:30 +0100> Subject: Re: [ENG-NORTH-YORKS] A mother at 9?> > > Oh boy do I need some help - please !!> > The following bapt entry is from Topcliffe by Thirsk PRs and dated> 1778:-> > "Christopher 1st son of Christopher Forster of Rainton saddle> tree maker son of John of Rainton saddle tree maker by Jane his wife> daughter of Richard Eden of Kirby Knowle - and of Jane daughter of John> Dinnis of Rainton lab: by Dorothy daughter of John Ward of Middlesmoor> lab: and Ellen daughter of Thomas Walker of Flawith"> > If I am reading it correctly then Christopher is son of Christopher and> Jane {Dinnis] and I have a marriage for them 30th Aug 1776 - Christopher> was bapt 1749 at Topcliffe and Jane Dinnis 1753 at Coxwold so that's Ok> > The problem is with John's wife Jane dau of Richard Eden. I cannot find> a marr for these two but if Jane dau of Richard Eden is correct, she was> bapt 1740 in Kirby Knowle and so would have been only 9 when Christopher> [1749] bapt. I had hoped she might have had an adult bap but have> checked Kirby Knowle records - transcript from Cleveland & N Yorks FHS -> and all Richard's children between 1727 and 1743 appear to have been bap> in a regular order.> > I wonder did the cleric make a mistake - Jane did have a elder sister> Mary bapt 1734 - a bit more likely re: age, or there was a Jane dau> William Eden but she was bap 1700 and I believe she marr 1736 in Leake.> > Does anyone have any ideas as to how I can sort this out? I would really> appreciate any comments.> > Cheers> Jean [going slowly round the twist]> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-NORTH-YORKS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ All new Live Search at Live.com http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/msnnkmgl0010000006ukm/direct/01/