Dear Joyce,sorry, can't send front page, but this is the address. Good hunting http://catalogue.progov.uk/ Dorothy in Dunedin NZ

Dear Joyce, I have found the Procat reader invaluable. Through it I have found not only one of my ancestors, in the early 1800s but his service records as well. Once I made the initial finding, by typing in his name and place of birth and approx date, Procat gave me his regiment. I then hired a professional researcher who was very reasonable and efficient. I suggest you use Procat for your initial search, since you can do it at home, and be sure of exactly which pieces you are looking for. Use the 'search the catalogue' box. Best of all, it is free! I am sending the front page of the Procat in my next email so all listers can copy and use it .If you want the name of the researcher, let me know Dorothy in Dunedin NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joyce Armstrong" <nojarms@myallcoast.net.au> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 4:56 PM Subject: [N'Yorks] PRO & Carlisle Castle research C>

Michael, I cant see that you should have any problems installing NBI. Have you tried installing using My Computer/Control Panel/Add and remove programs? Making sure that you are using Disk 1 to install which containes the viewer. The following web page may give you some help and advice. http://www.ffhs.org.uk/General/Projects/NBI.htm The only other suggestion is that you have received a damaged copy and may need to be replaced. Good Luck Robyn Australia -----Original Message----- From: Michael G Ward [mailto:mgmjward@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, 29 March 2003 10:56 PM To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [N'Yorks] National Burial Index - Installation Problems Please can anyone help with the problem I am having installing the NBI First Edition? My PC exceeds all the minimum spec requirements listed in the installation instructions. However, each time I try to run setup.exe I get a window titled 'Can't run 16-bit Windows program' and the message, 'Insufficient memory to run the application. Quit one or more Windows applications and try again'. This appears without the virus application or any other windows applications running, and my PC is operating with Widows XP and has 512MB of DDR memory. I have had no problems loading any other software. What's my solution? I have tried contacting the FFHS from whom I bought it, by both telephone and email, but unfortunately have received no reply. Michael ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Bryan, They have microfilm readers (for parish records etc) and fische readers. There is the facility to print from microfilm readers. Also I have seen people using laptop computers, so sockets are available. It is advisable to contact them beforehand to book a microfilm reader. The only drawback I found was that there are no facilities for obtaining drinks or anywhere to eat any food/drinks you may take - other than the small entrance lobby which isn't really suitable anyway. So you will probably need to take a walk at lunchtime. Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: <TheCoopster53MR@aol.com> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:15 PM Subject: [N'Yorks] Middlesbrough Records Office > Hi Everybody, > > I am planning a trip to Middlesbrough Records Office while I am over in the > North East for a few days. Can anyone please tell me what facilities they > have there for searching through the archives. Do they have photocopying > facilities etc. Any assistance would be gratefully accepted. > > Kind Regards, > > Bryan Cooper in Harrington, Cumbria > > > > Researching - HARLAND in Marske > WREN in Skinningrove > > ______________________________

Sue & Steven: Thanks for sending examples of women cordwainers. It makes perfect sense that widows would use their husbands tools of the trade and carry on with their work. I should have thought of this myself. Nancy My web page: http://community.webtv.net/nanspage

Thanks John you make very interesting comments. My FERGUSON/TAYLOR family were living in a rural area, around Lovesome Hill/Hutton Bonville/Brompton area near Northallerton and I well imagine them having to produce and repair many different items for farmwork as well as items of footwear. Regards Sue, Shropshire.

Hi I always understood the term cordwainer to be a worker in leather who did much more than shoes. At that time all farming was done by horses and a lot of leatherwork was needed for that plus coach and riding horses saddles etc. We have ancestors who were cordwainers usually in the country areas and some shoemakers who were likely to be town based. john ferguson ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted&Sue" <ted@nsue.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 5:31 PM Subject: Re: [N'Yorks] Cordwainer > Hi Nancy, > just to follow on from Steven's message my gt.gt grandmother is on the 1871 > census as follows. > > Aiskew. > Jane PEARSON, 51, Wid, Shoemaker employing one son. > Robert PEARSON, 27, Shoemaker Journeyman. > > Jane had inherited the business from her husband even though her son Robert > was already in the trade. Jane is entered as annuitant on the next census. > By that time Robert had married and later became Master Shoemaker > (Cordwainer) as his father had been. Plus another son William, my gt, > grandfather had already left home, married and took on the same trade. > > Regards, Sue. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nancy Vogt" <nrvogt@webtv.net> > To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:29 AM > Subject: [N'Yorks] Cordwainer > > > > I agree with those who identified a cordwainer as a shoemaker, but I > > wonder how many women were actually involved in this occupation in the > > 1850's? Since I have a "master cordwainer" in my line of interest, I > > have searched many directories online and have yet to see a female > > listed as a cordwainer or shoemaker. > > > > I would be interested if anyone has knowledge of female cordwainers. > > > > Nancy Vogt > > > > > > > > My web page: http://community.webtv.net/nanspage > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > > Have you visited the *NEW* RootsWeb/Ancestry Message Boards yet? Take a > > tour soon & learn how time-saving those "Gateway" messages are compared > > to trying to find the *new* ones on your own. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > ----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use <---------- > When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? NO! > It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Hi List, as I understand the term Cordwainer, aka Cordiner or Cordviner, orginally was used for a person who worked with Cordovan which was a special soft leather from Spain, made of goat skin. Later the term was used for any shoemaker. David, in Derbyshire

Hi Nancy, just to follow on from Steven's message my gt.gt grandmother is on the 1871 census as follows. Aiskew. Jane PEARSON, 51, Wid, Shoemaker employing one son. Robert PEARSON, 27, Shoemaker Journeyman. Jane had inherited the business from her husband even though her son Robert was already in the trade. Jane is entered as annuitant on the next census. By that time Robert had married and later became Master Shoemaker (Cordwainer) as his father had been. Plus another son William, my gt, grandfather had already left home, married and took on the same trade. Regards, Sue. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nancy Vogt" <nrvogt@webtv.net> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 3:29 AM Subject: [N'Yorks] Cordwainer > I agree with those who identified a cordwainer as a shoemaker, but I > wonder how many women were actually involved in this occupation in the > 1850's? Since I have a "master cordwainer" in my line of interest, I > have searched many directories online and have yet to see a female > listed as a cordwainer or shoemaker. > > I would be interested if anyone has knowledge of female cordwainers. > > Nancy Vogt > > > > My web page: http://community.webtv.net/nanspage > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Have you visited the *NEW* RootsWeb/Ancestry Message Boards yet? Take a > tour soon & learn how time-saving those "Gateway" messages are compared > to trying to find the *new* ones on your own. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi Listers, I shall be visiting England late April and would appreciate any help regarding getting the best out of the above offices. In Kew I particularly need WW 1 army sergeants' record, and 2 navy captains 1790's and 1815ish. In Carlisle I will be looking for Armstrongs (Cumberland farming & mining) and Hodgson &Winskell ,Westmorland (Nord Vue farm). Regards Joyce

Hi Jo Sorry my last message seems to have been partially cut-off for some reason. It should have followed with the fact that all my ROE,s on file originated from Egton Village then moved to Cty Durham mainly Hartlepool , Then Lancashire and finally Cheshire. I have checked the 1881 census for your Maria none shown apart from WALTER ROE Married to MARIA ROE age19 bn Mellor Derby with son William 10 wks living 33 Meadow Lane Dukinfield Cheshire. I will keep my eye open for your MARIA ROE will contact you if I come across her.I see you live in Scrayingham have you come across any KNOWLSON,s in your area ? Regards Rory

Please can anyone help with the problem I am having installing the NBI First Edition? My PC exceeds all the minimum spec requirements listed in the installation instructions. However, each time I try to run setup.exe I get a window titled 'Can't run 16-bit Windows program' and the message, 'Insufficient memory to run the application. Quit one or more Windows applications and try again'. This appears without the virus application or any other windows applications running, and my PC is operating with Widows XP and has 512MB of DDR memory. I have had no problems loading any other software. What's my solution? I have tried contacting the FFHS from whom I bought it, by both telephone and email, but unfortunately have received no reply. Michael

Rory, Thanks for the message. Haven't come across any KNOWLSONs but I'll keep a look out! Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "rory" <rory@mgownersclub.net> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [N'Yorks] Roe ,s > Hi Jo Sorry my last message seems to have been partially cut-off for some > reason. It should have followed with the fact that all my ROE,s on file > originated from Egton Village then moved to Cty Durham mainly Hartlepool , > Then Lancashire and finally Cheshire. I have checked the 1881 census for > your Maria none shown apart from WALTER ROE Married to MARIA ROE age19 bn > Mellor Derby with son William 10 wks living 33 Meadow Lane Dukinfield > Cheshire. I will keep my eye open for your MARIA ROE will contact you if I > come across her.I see you live in Scrayingham have you come across any > KNOWLSON,s in your area ? Regards Rory > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 22:29:20 -0500 (EST), you wrote: >I agree with those who identified a cordwainer as a shoemaker, but I >wonder how many women were actually involved in this occupation in the >1850's? Since I have a "master cordwainer" in my line of interest, I >have searched many directories online and have yet to see a female >listed as a cordwainer or shoemaker. > >I would be interested if anyone has knowledge of female cordwainers. > >Nancy Vogt > > Nancy How about this entry from the 1861 census (RG9/3372/51) for Bewley's Yard, Leeds: Sarah Houfe 39 Head Widowed Shoemaker/Mistress empg 2 men. Sarah is my great-great-great-grandmother. She inherited the business from her husbands (she's been widowed twice). I think that would be the same for other female cordwainers, that they inherited the business as there were no sons old enough to manage it. Even then, I expect most women of the period would have sold the business and lived off the annuity. Sarah Ann Hough (formerly Robinson, late Harral) must have been one tough lady. Cheers Steve

BIRTHS On the 23rd inst., at Malton, the wife of Mr T. BOTTERILL, of a daughter. MARRIAGES On the 22nd inst., at St. Mary Abbotts, Kensington, London, by the Rev. W. F. STOKEN, Mr John STATHERS, pharmaceutical chemist, Notting Hill, to Miss Harriet WHEELER, Royal Crescent, Notting Hill. On the 19th inst., at St. Mary's church, Whitby, by the Rev. J. DINGLE, Mr Wm. SMITH, librarian, son of the late Mr. A. M. SMITH, bookseller, of Durham, to Mary, second daughter of Mr J. DIXON, farmer, of Rigg, near Whitby. On the 17th inst., at St. Cuthbert's church, York, by the Rev. W.B. CRICKNER, Mr Anthony CLARK, of Osbaldwick, to Ann, widow of Mr Thos. POOL, of Heslington. In the 24th inst., at the parish church, Norton, by the Rev. E. DAY, Mr Charles NEWTON, of Norton, to Mary Ann, only daughter of the late John DONAGAH. On the 22nd inst., at the parish church, Slingsby, by the Rev. W. CARTER, Mr C. WILSON, farmer, Firby, to Mrs WATERWORTH, Slingsby. On the 22nd inst., at the parish church, Slingsby, by the Rev. W. CARTER, Mr H. Flewker HEBDEN, joiner, to Anne, eldest daughter of the late Mr W. SMITH, builder, Slingsby. DEATHS On the 15th inst., at Scarbro', Ann, widow of Mr John ROSS, fishmonger, aged 85. On the 11th inst., at Beverley, Mr Jas. SHIPSTONE, aged 78, formerly a wool dealer. On the 16th inst., at Great Smeaton, near Northallerton, Sarah ?????? BARRY, third daughter of Carlisle BAMLETT, Esq., of that place, aged 26. On the 14th inst., Mr Wm. TINKER, formerly grocer, Cross-street, Scarbro', aged 96. On the 8th inst., Mary, wife of Mr Henry WILSON, of York, and daughter of the late Mr Joseph THACKERY, of Collingham, near Wetherby, aged 36. On the 16?th inst., at Burlington, (late of Malton,) Mr Hessey ALLANSON, aged 23. On the 19th inst., at Ossett, Mr Richard WATSON, joiner and builder, late of Newton, near Pickering, aged 47, much respected. On the 17th inst., at Old Malton, Mr W. BORTON, aged 74. Andy Sefton Pocklington n.b. This concludes 1863

I agree with those who identified a cordwainer as a shoemaker, but I wonder how many women were actually involved in this occupation in the 1850's? Since I have a "master cordwainer" in my line of interest, I have searched many directories online and have yet to see a female listed as a cordwainer or shoemaker. I would be interested if anyone has knowledge of female cordwainers. Nancy Vogt My web page: http://community.webtv.net/nanspage

Hi Judith and Angael, Thank you both for the Cord(s)wainer/Shoemaker - it makes sense. It just goes to provide many heads are better than mine! Regards Sue, Shropshire.

Dear Admistrator. I have just listed from Queensland, Australia & applying for full membership. My interests are ggmo Louisa Carolyn nee Hunt b 1839 Wakefield & ggf John Smith b 1836 native of Leeds m Bedale 1864. I would like to access ENG_NORTH _ YORKS D-request Archives. How do I do this - web link? Thanks Bruce

Hi, It will be CORDSWAINER[a Shoemaker] Judith At 21:17 28/03/03 +0000, you wrote: >Hi Listers, > >Has anyone any idea what a 'Cerdwainer' is. I have just received a copy >of a death certificate for my GG GM Isabella TAYLOR (nee FERGUSON) d.22nd >Jan 1853, Hutton Bonville, Brompton. Isabella's occupation was listed as >'Cerdwainer'. I have checked Genuki & found 'Cardmaker' a person who >makes cards or instruments for combing wool - confirmation or any >ideas/suggestions gratefully received. > >Regards Sue, Shropshire. > > > >==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== >NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private 'chit-chat' on this >list, okay! Other than that, anything pertaining to the lives and times >of those we seek goes, but MUST be kept within the *List's Golden Rule*. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Many thanks - again! Jo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Varley" <judith.varley@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [N'Yorks] Marishes > Marishes[East and West] > is in the Parish of Pickering, > Judith > > > > > > At 21:17 28/03/03 -0500, you wrote: > >Next question! > > > >Which parish does Marishes (between Malton & Pickering) come under? > > > >Jo > > > > > >==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > >~ SUBJECT LINES ~ > >Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The > >4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > ~~ The List's GOLDEN RULE ~~ > Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestors! Keep it clean & cool. > Treat others as you want them to treat you...Positively *NO* selling! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >