Hello Margaret, I have checked the 1851 for Thornaby on Tees, known in 1851 as South Stockton. Charlie does not appear there. A Charles ROBINSON is noted as under, perhaps a possible pointer. Peter St Paul's Baptism 15 Jul 1866 ref No 1264. ROBINSON Charles. Parents Richard and Elizabeth 1881 census 4862 f 127 STAFFORD PLACE 23. ROBINSON Charles aged 14 Born THORNABY These two above entries a possible matching pair 1881 census 4863 f 35 GILMORE STREET 60 ROBINSON Charles aged 25 Born LAMBERHURST > > ______________________________

Hi Listers, I am hoping SKS can help me confirm or refute a long standing family story. Please bear with me as it is slightly convoluted. :-) Sir Edward BANKS was a well known engineer who from humble beginnings rose above his station to be part owner in a large engineering firm, JOLIFFE and BANKS which undertook major works including the building of the *new* London Bridge which was opened in 1831. My family oral history states that my Great Grandfather William BANKS was born in 1841 at the home of Sir Edward BANKS ( his Great Uncle?) in Sheerness. I have obtained Williams birth cert. and he was born in Sheerness.Family lore also states that Williams mother almost named him Delamark after Sir Edward's son. If you are still with me here is the North Yorks. bit. Edward BANKS was apparently born in Hutton Hang on 4th Jan 1770. What I am hoping to find out is whether Edward BANKS is in fact my Great Great Grand Uncle. :-) I am hoping, as Sir Edward was a knight, there may be a family tree already in existence which may confirm or refute this or, failing this I need to find Edwards records. I told you it was convoluted. Any help or advice gratefully received.Apologies if you have fallen asleep while reading this. Regards, Nev in Oz I use Archive Cd Books to help with my research http://www.rod-neep.co.uk/index.htm

Susan, IGI shows a Jane born Dec 7, 1832 at Richmond Yorks, to Joseph and Ann(Rodham) ? who married Jun 12, 1832 at Richmond. Now, the 1881 census for County Durham. --------------------------------- Dwelling: 12 Wells Yard Census Place: Hartlepool, Durham, England Source: FHL Film 1342180 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4906 Folio 77 Page 46 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas COULSON M 50 M Hartlepool, Durham, England Rel: Head Occ: Ferryman Jane COULSON M 50 F Hartlepool, Durham, England Rel: Wife Elizh. COULSON U 21 F Hartlepool, Durham, England Rel: Dau Alice COULSON U 16 F Hartlepool, Durham, England Rel: Dau Francis COULSON U 12 M Hartlepool, Durham, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Thomas COULSON U 10 M Hartlepool, Durham, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William COULSON M 26 M Hartlepool, Durham, England Rel: Son Occ: Fisherman Mary A. COULSON M 20 F Hartlepool, Durham, England Rel: Dau In Law Anna COULSON 3 F Hartlepool, Durham, England Rel: G Dau ------------------------------ Hope this helps, Terry. -----Original Message----- From: Susan Tudor-Coulson [mailto:susantudor-coulson@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 10 April 2003 18:23 To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [N'Yorks] Lookup - WARING All Is there a kind someone who could help with a look up pls? Jane WARING b1828 (give or take - based on age recorded in census) at Sedbury, Gilling West, North Yorkshire. I'd like to check her date of birth and any information about her parents which may be recorded. (Her place of birth is given as Sodbury, Yorks, in the 1901 census, but since there doesn't appear to be such a place Sedbury seems likely, especially as she married a Thomas COULSON from Hartlepool) Thanks for any help. Kind regards STC ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== ~~ The List's GOLDEN RULE ~~ Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestors! Keep it clean & cool. Treat others as you want them to treat you...Positively *NO* selling! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

In message <003b01c3130a$5fd28a20$020010ac@jenny>, Jenny DeAngelis <jennyda@terra.es> writes >Hi Helen, > >Thankyou for noting this stray STAINTHORP it is Richard Thomson and myself >who are researching Stainthorps at Brompton North Yorks. Not sure if >Burnton should read Brompton or if there was such a place will have to >check. > >thanks once again for your help >Regards >Jenny DeAngelis. >Spain. Hi Jenny, I seem to remember something on this list a while back about " Brunton " being Brompton on Swale, as it had cropped up on someone else's census searches. Regards, -- Helen Oram

Hi Helen, Thankyou for noting this stray STAINTHORP it is Richard Thomson and myself who are researching Stainthorps at Brompton North Yorks. Not sure if Burnton should read Brompton or if there was such a place will have to check. thanks once again for your help Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. Helen Oram wrote:- Subject: [N'Yorks] STAINTHORP > Hi, > I know there are a few STAINTHORP/E researchers out there. I have just > spotted a stray in the 1851 census index > > H)107/2392 Sheraton DUR >> Henry Stainthorp age 36 born Brunton YKS folio 211 > > Hope this helps someone!

Can anyone advise, pls? Will the above be closed tomorrow (Tuesday) as well as today (many local authorities, but perhaps not all, take the Tuesday after a bank holiday Monday as an additional day's holiday)? Their website says they're open by appointment, so do you have to phone to ensure they're open or merely to reserve research space? How far ahead do you realistically need to phone them? Thanks and kind regards STC

No wedding cards? on 5/5/03 4:51, Pmc248@cs.com at Pmc248@cs.com wrote: > Hello, > Can anyone tell me why some Marriage announcements state " no cards." > > Regards, Pam in Arizona. > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to the North Riding, Yorkshire, England! If you > have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please > contact Kathleen off-list at Administration@KathleensKorner.net. Thanks. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

MARRIAGES On the 5th inst., at Wollaton church, Notts., by the Hon. and Rev. Charles WILLOUGHBY, assisted by the Hon. and Rev. Percival WILLOUGHBY, brothers of the bride, Godfrey Wentworth BOSVILLE, Esq., of Thorpe and Gunthwaite, in the County of York, to the Hon. Harriet Cassandra WILLOUGHBY, daughter of the late Henry WILLOUGHBY, Esq., of Birdsall and Settrington, in the same county. On the 5th inst., at St. Peter's church, Pickering, by the Rev. E. BENNETT, Mr James A. PLACE, chemist, to Marianne, fourth daughter of the late Mr E. BLAND, of Pickering. No Cards. At Whiston, on the 7th inst., by the Hon. and Rev. Wm. HOWARD, Francis, youngest son of Wm. BARTHOLOMEW, Esq., of Waddington-heath, in the county of Lincoln, to Emily, youngest daughter of the late Thos. SWANN, Esq., of Morthem Hall in this county. (No cards). DEATHS On the 7th inst., much and deservedly respected, Mr Chas. CLARKSON, of the firm of J.E. WINDLE and Co., of Pickering, aged 29. On the 1st inst., William, second son of Mr HIGGINS, Exciseman, of Thirsk, aged 4. On the 2nd inst., George, only son of Mr George WALBRAN, of Thirsk, aged 18. On the 4th inst., at Malton, Mr Francis KIRBY, basket maker, aged 53. Andy Sefton Pocklington

BIRTHS On the 29th ult., at Malton, the wife of Mr Welford GIBSON, teacher of music, of a daughter. On the 25th ult., the wife of Mr W. NELSON, Coxwold, of a daughter. On the 23rd ult., at Hovingham, the wife of Mr Thomas ISHERWOOD, Esq., of a daughter. MARRIAGES On the 25th ult., at Kirkdale church, by the Rev. Charles TUDOR, rector, Mr Jas. SPENCELEY, Nawton, to Mary, third daughter of the late Mr Henry BOWES, farmer, Wombleton. On the 25th ult., at Kirbymoorside church, by the Rev. Mr PARKINS, Mr James WILLIAMSON, farmer, Kirby Mills, to Miss Mary FOSTER, of East Moors. On the 28th ult., at the parish church, Thirsk, Mr Thomas DINSDALE, to Sarah, daughter of Mr George TIBBETT, both of Thirsk. On the 30th ult., at Harrogate, Mr SNOW, draper, Malton, to Miss WARE, of the former place. DEATHS In May last, at Chatham, Canada West, America, Mr Henry BARTLIFF, (son of the late Mr Robert BARTLIFF, of Malton,) Adjutant in the Chatham Battalion, aged 47 years. On the 25th ult., Thomas, eldest son of Mr HIGGINS, exciseman, of Thirsk, aged 5 years. On the 27th ult., at Tullyhogue, near Dungannon, aged 58, the Rev. Dr. WHITESIDE, vicar of Scarbro'. On the 24th ult., at Malton, Samuel, son of Geo. WING, aged 10 years. On the 25th ult., at Little Habton, Jane, wife of Mr Mark SMITH, aged 44 years. On the 26th ult., at Malton, Mrs. Mary WOOD, aged 84. Andy Sefton Pocklington

What I am wondering is why some people request, No Wedding Cards, is it a religious reason or some other reason. Have never heard of that before. Regards, Pam in Arizona.

Hi, I know there are a few STAINTHORP/E researchers out there. I have just spotted a stray in the 1851 census index H)107/2392 Sheraton DUR Henry Stainthorp age 36 born Brunton YKS folio 211 Hope this helps someone! -- Helen Oram

Hi Steve, Don't have the 1861 census, but the PRs for Kirk Deighton parish, published by YAS, show the following COOPERs (pre 1837): 1804-Aug-8 mar Joseph COOPER & Ellen PETTY botp (L) 1805-Jun-16 bap John s Joseph & Ellen COOPER, Kirk Deighton 1806-Dec-10 bap Mary dau Joseph & Elinor, KD 1810-Dec-30 bap William son Joseph & Ellen, KD 1815-Sep-17 bap Frances dau Joseph & Helen, shoemaker, KD 1818-Sep-6 bap Elizabeth dau Joseph & Ellen, shoemaker, KD 1823-Jun-29 bap Joseph son Joseph & Ellen, shoemaker, KD 1826-Dec-3 bap Charles son of Joseph & Ellen, shoemaker, KD 1830-Dec-14 bap Sarah dau John & Mary, farmer, North Deighton 1832-Dec-31 bap John son John & Mary, farmer, ND 1834-Oct-20 bap Francis son John & Mary, farmer, ND 1836-Sep-5 bap Hannah dau John & Mary, farmer, ND There are various other earlier COOPER entries if these might be of interest, but no others for these names. The only other marriage I found was on 23 Dec 1751 between Willm. COOPER of Wetherby and Ann GAUNT, of Ingmanthorpe. Ann (wife of Wm. COOPER, Wetherby) was buried on 1 May 1753 I couldn't find any other burials, and there are no SEYMOURs at all. Re. Willoughby: there is a place called Thorpe Willoughby about 2 miles from Selby; also a Willerby in the East Riding. If trying Wetherby, Spofforth was the original parish. Hope this may be of some help. Best wishes, Roz

Hello, Can anyone tell me why some Marriage announcements state " no cards." Regards, Pam in Arizona.

Tribute from the "Land Down Under" (Lat 17.5s Long 146.4e) Hello to All, The family MACHELL that I am looking for was listed in the 1851 census at Egton in Lancashire. No mention of them in 1861 census so may have moved to Westmorland or Cumberland as John was born in Kendal, or they may have moved to Durham or North Yorkshire. Family in 1851 comprised: John (Head) age 29 b. Kendal Maria (Wife) age 35 b. Ulverston Mary (dau) age 3 b. Egton cum Newlands Sarah (dau) age 8 months b. Egton cum Newlands. What I seek is something from census 1861 or 1871 if such exists or similar timespan info. By then the family could have the addition of one George Edward MACHELL born c1851-1853 "near Keswick in the Lake district of Westmorland", according to his obituary. And he is the one that I am really chasing! Be kind and hope to be right Dean Newman, North Queensland Australia. "As time goes by" kenyon@znet.net.au "The more you learn the less you know"

BIRTHS On the 18th inst., at Norton, the wife of Mr MASTERMAN, of the "Hyde Park" Tavern, of a daughter. On the 16th inst., at Swinton, the wife of Mr Isaac COATES, of a daughter. MARRIAGES On the 21st inst., at the parish church, bulmer, by the rev. W. PRESTON, M.A., Mr F. ATKINSON, park keeper to the Earl of Carlisle, K.G., Castle Howard, to AMrtha, daughter of Mr WOODWARD, Welburn, near Malton. On the 22nd inst., at the parish church, Hulme, near Manchester, David, second son of Mr Johnathon BIELBY, of Settrington, to Hannah, youngest daughter of Mr Wm. CROSBY, Birdsall, Yorkshire. On the 22nd inst., at the Bar Church, Scarbro', by the Rev. BALGARNIE, Mr John SNARRY, veterinary surgeon, Malton, to Alice Ann, eldest daughter of Mr Samuel BAKER, farmer, of Thornton-cum-Farmanby. DEATHS On the 23rd inst., at Norton, Mr. Thomas BRAND, aged 63 years. On the 18th inst., after a lingering illness, Jane, the beloved wife of Mr. William COLLIER, of the city of York, chemist and druggist, aged 49. On the 14th inst., at Aislaby, Mary, wife of Mr. John BUCKLE, aged 62 years. On the 16th inst., at Slingsby, Edward, second son of Mr W. SNOWDON, Veterinary Surgeon, aged 28 years. On the 20th inst., at Broughton, Sarah, wife of Mr Hy. RIDLEY, aged 63 years. Andy Sefton Pocklington

BIRTHS On the 11th inst., at Thirsk, the wife of Mr DOWSON, of a daughter. MARRIAGES On the 14th inst., at St. Leonard's Church, Malton, by the Rev. W. W. ELLIOT, M.A., Mr John Booth NICHOLS, of Birmingham, commercial traveller, to Sarah, third daughter of Mr Thos. SMITH, of the North Eastern Railway Hotel, Malton. On the 12th inst., at the parish church, Norton, by the Rev. E. DAY, Mr. John SKELTON, compositor, to Eliza Ann, eldest daughter of Mr J. WATSON, Norton. On the 15th inst., at the parish church, Halifax, by the Ven. Archdeacon MUSGRAVE, D.D., Walter STOREY, Esq., solicitor, to Rachel, eldest daughter of Mr Benjamin HENWORTHY all of Halifax. DEATHS On the 14th inst., at the residence of her brother, Henry MILNER, Esq., of Retford, the wife of Charles William STRICKLAND, Esq., of Hildenley Hall, near Malton, and third daughter of the late Sir Wm. MILNER, Bart., Nun Appleton, near York, in the 45th year of her age. On the 14th inst., at York, Frederick, son of Mr William SCAIFE, shoemaker, aged 17 years. On the 11th inst., at Norton, Arthur William, son of Mr. Richard SKELTON, aged 7 months. On the 16th inst., at Malton, Jane, daughter of Mr James COOPER, aged 1 year. On the 10th inst., at Stokesley, William Llewellyn, infant son of the Rev. William L. CROFT, M.A. Andy Sefton Pocklington

There is no "Charles Robinson" aged 48 , born yks in the Stockton 1851 census index. Peter Adams > If anyone has the index to the 1851 census for Stockton, I would be very grateful for any details of a Charles Robinson, aged about 48 and born in the Moorsholm/Skelton area of Yorkshire. > > Many thanks. > > Margaret > > ______________________________

I'm interested in the following COOPERs - anyone know anything related to them. Or any chance of an 1861 Census lookup for: John COOPER age ~28 Born North Deighton, York, England Ann COOPER Born North Deighton? York, England - suspect relative of John Most likely in Ripon or North Deighton in 1861. Ann married William SEYMOUR (in Ripon) in 1869 and gave birth to their first son, Joseph, 6 months later in Edinburgh (Joseph was rasied by his grandfather in West Keal, Lincs). They then returned to Ripon were Rose and Harriet were born. In 1837 William repeated the trick with his second wife Mary Elizabeth Robinson (second marriage for her as well) producing a second sonm Sydnet Herbert. Mary Elizabeth was also born in North Deighton (no idea of her original maiden name - possibly another Cooper??) William's younger sister married a John Cooper also from North Deighton - which is presumably now William met Ann. 1881 Census returns for Harriet and Willaim are as follows: Address: 99 Crofton Road Place: Camberwell, Surrey, England Ref: FHL Film 1341157 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 0675 Folio 16 Page 25 William Seymour Head M 41 M West Keal, Lincs Horse Dealer Mary E Seymour Wife M 38 F North Deighton, Yorks John T Robinson Stepson U 22 M Willoughby**, York Warehouseman Rose M Seymour Dau U 9 F Corpt Hewick, York Scholar Harriet L Seymour Dau U 8 F Corpt Hewick, York Scholar Sydney H Seymour Son U 3 M Camberwell Scholar John W Sherrington Boarder U 20 M York Clerck Secy Admirality Dept John J Cooper Boarder U 19 M Stokesley, York Clerk War Dept **since I don't know of a Willoughby in Yorks I'm assuming this is Wetherby (FreeBDM have a John T Robinson in Wetherby at right time). Address: 122 Camp Road Place: Leeds, York, England Ref: FHL Film 1342087 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4526 Folio 158 Page 33 John Cooper Head M 48 M North Deighton, Yorks Farmer Harriet Cooper Wife M 40 F West Keal, Lincs Frances Cooper Son S 15 M Pickhill, York, England Office Boy Mary A Cooper Dau S 14 F Pickhill, York, England Thos J Cooper Son S 9 M Pickhill, York, England Annie G Cooper Dau S 6 F Rawcliffe, York, England Amelia L Cooper Dau S 5 F Rawcliffe, York, England Joseph S Cooper Son S 3 M Leeds, York, England Harriet A Cooper Dau 2 F Leeds, York, England All information appreciated.

Local papers had correspondents from local places which fed them the information for the births, marriages and deaths. Obviously for this edition the Middlesborough/Stokesley correspondent handed them the week's events. Sometimes the correspondent for Ripon is very active. It is easy to spot the weeks when the correspondent for the area is active. A few years ago from 1864, I noticed there were lots of entries from Whitby, but these have now dried up. Obviously the Whitby correspondent has ceased sending them. As to entries from further afield. Usually there is some sort of connection with the Malton area. Maybe the person used to live in the area or they have connections. I have to admit some entries are totally baffling as to why they appear. regards Andy Sefton -----Original Message----- From: David Drake [mailto:davidmdrake@btinternet.com] Sent: 04 May 2003 15:35 To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [N'Yorks] Malton Messenger BMD's 11th June 1864 Andrew, Many thanks again for your efforts in producing BMD's announcements from the Malton Messenger-much appreciated by many people all over the world I would imagine. I have a question that has perplexed me from some time and maybe you or another lister could provide an answer. The Malton Messenger mainly covers locals (and various places within a few miles) but have noticed that this is not always the case. I appreciate that perhaps dignitaries from further afield and folk who have moved to other parts of the country might get a mention. However on occasions a solitary edition of the Messenger might include a spate of entries from a single place not that close to Malton. For example the 11th June 1864 has 7 marriages and 2 deaths from Middlesbrough. Why would that be? Any ideas anybody? Thanks again on behalf of many, David Drake (researching in Malton-DRAKE, JEWITT, BELL, with peripheral interest in TAYLOR, MILESTONE, YOUNG, CLARKE, STOCKDALE, DODGSON, GIBSON) ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== ~ SUBJECT LINES ~ Think about it!! A picture's worth 1000 words; a Subject Line more! The 4 W's: Who? What? When? and Where? Don't leave home without 'em! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Andrew, Many thanks again for your efforts in producing BMD's announcements from the Malton Messenger-much appreciated by many people all over the world I would imagine. I have a question that has perplexed me from some time and maybe you or another lister could provide an answer. The Malton Messenger mainly covers locals (and various places within a few miles) but have noticed that this is not always the case. I appreciate that perhaps dignitaries from further afield and folk who have moved to other parts of the country might get a mention. However on occasions a solitary edition of the Messenger might include a spate of entries from a single place not that close to Malton. For example the 11th June 1864 has 7 marriages and 2 deaths from Middlesbrough. Why would that be? Any ideas anybody? Thanks again on behalf of many, David Drake (researching in Malton-DRAKE, JEWITT, BELL, with peripheral interest in TAYLOR, MILESTONE, YOUNG, CLARKE, STOCKDALE, DODGSON, GIBSON)