It looks to me as though "alsiboy" is using Mailwasher or a similar anti-spam program. He has probably blacklisted ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com either accidentally or deliberately. Mailwasher will then return a "Returned mail : User unknown" message to a sender. This looks like it is a genuine "user unknown" message from the ISP. The idea is that the recipient then removes your address from their list. I use Mailwasher, and it cuts down the amount of spam that I get, so it is useful in that way. With some sources of spam, it is definitely a bad idea to send a message saying "please remove me from your list" or even to follow up their "unsubscribe" options, as this shows them that they have found a genuine address and that you will respond to them. However it is a pain if you end up blocking "friendly" addresses. If it continues, we ought to ask the list administrator to remove him from the list. Richard Thomson ----- Original Message ----- From: "john cullwick" <lsa@globalnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2003 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [N'Yorks] Returned mail: User unknown > > Is there any reason why all mail to the list recently as been arriving > like > > the one below > > > > rob > > > > ========Original Message======== > > Subj: [N'Yorks] Returned mail: User unknown > > I was also a bit surprised to see the letter I had sent to this list and > from which I have already received 3 replies being returned as > ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com user unknown. > > Suspect that alsiboy@ntlworld.com is having a puerile chuckle. Suspect it > is all too easy for someone to subscribe to a list then cause disruption in > this way. > > B wishes > > John > > ______________________________

Helen replied as follows to my first request> > Now, I had a look at the 1851 census index to the Guisborough area > HO107/2375, which includes Marske (by the sea) > > at folio 102, which is Brotton parish (includes Brotton, Kilton, > Saltburn, Skinningrove), there was > > Richard SHARVEL age 61 born SSX Rye > Rebecca " " 62 " SSX Seaford Have found a bit out about these two in the last couple of hours. They were married at Seaford Parish Church, Sussex on 20 May 1816 and had children as follows: Martha SHARVELL b 1816 at Seaford, bp 15 Sept 1816 at Newhaven Louisa (later Mrs HINDSON) b abt 1818 in Marske Richard b abt 1822 in Marske John b abt 1826 in Marske I found this little tidbit on a web site "Rebecca LEVETT married Richard SHARVELL who was from Rye. He was in the coastguard service. If a coastguard married a local girl (as in this case), he was transferred virtually immediately to a new post a very long way away. This was because of the smuggling activities, and a local girl may well have connections with local gangs. She could therefore put the word about, about the movements of the excise and military gleaned from her husband. The LEVETT family were great smugglers. The SHARVELLs ended up in Staithes, Yorkshire." Source: Mrs Gill Couper, Horsell, Surrey. Would appreciate any further information about this - about Staithes in particular. Would Staithes tie in with Marske and Brotton (which I understand includes Brotton, Kilton. Saltburn and Skinningrove). And is there a Methodist Chapel close to any of these places that would have been operating back in the 1820's? Best wishes John

> Is there any reason why all mail to the list recently as been arriving like > the one below > > rob > > ========Original Message======== > Subj: [N'Yorks] Returned mail: User unknown I was also a bit surprised to see the letter I had sent to this list and from which I have already received 3 replies being returned as ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com user unknown. Suspect that alsiboy@ntlworld.com is having a puerile chuckle. Suspect it is all too easy for someone to subscribe to a list then cause disruption in this way. B wishes John

--- Some of the following intended recipients had permanent fatal errors --- ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM --- Transcript of session follows --- .. while talking to mail.eta.earthstop.net: >>> RCPT To:ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM <<< 550 relaying to ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM... prohibited by administrator 550 ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.eta.earthstop.net Received-From-MTA: DNS; dsl.lifespring.com Arrival-Date: 22/06/03 Final-Recipient: RFC822; ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.eta.earthstop.net Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 relaying prohibited by administrator Last-Attempt-Date: 22/06/03 --- Portion of Original Message follows --- +OK 2602 octets Return-Path: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.41]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030622080204.JLIG16215.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@lists5.rootsweb. com>; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:02:04 +0100 Received: (from slist@localhost) ~by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id h5M80igl028975; ~Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:00:44 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:00:44 -0600 X-Original-Sender: lsa@globalnet.co.uk Sun Jun 22 02:00:44 2003 Message-ID: <001201c33883$58e6d560$5a04bd50@lsa> From: "john cullwick" <lsa@globalnet.co.uk> Old-To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:58:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; ~charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [N'Yorks] SHARVELL Resent-Message-ID: <moqG2D.A.SEH.sIW9-@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/6676 X-Loop: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L-request@rootsweb.com I am a new lister and hope I am on the right list. Firstly, Mary Ann SHARVELL died in Wolverhampton on 1st January 1901 aged 79. Her obituary was apparently published in the North Eastern Daily Gazette - which I understand is a Middlesborough paper. Is any KS going to somewhere that keeps old copies and can look that obituary up for me. Her husband appears to have been John SHARVELL, who was 74, born Mouske, York, Secretary to a Building Society, in the 1901 census. Cannot trace them at all on the 1881 census, but believe they were in Wolverhampton. And where is Mouske? Sounds like Eskimo territory. I know it is cold in North Yorkshire. I have never ventured north of Sheffield myself. Many thanks John Cullwick near Silverstone in rural Northants ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== ----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use <---------- When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? NO! It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

> >Firstly, Mary Ann SHARVELL died in Wolverhampton on 1st January 1901 > >aged 79. Her obituary was apparently published in the North Eastern > >Daily Gazette - which I understand is a Middlesborough paper. Is any > >KS going to somewhere that keeps old copies and can look that obituary > >up for me. > > > >Her husband appears to have been John SHARVELL, who was 74, born > >Mouske, York, Secretary to a Building Society, in the 1901 census. > >Cannot trace them at all on the 1881 census, but believe they were in > >Wolverhampton. > >Many thanks > > > >John Cullwick > > Hello again John, > I think I have tracked down John in 1881 > > Dwelling: 62 Newport Rd > Census Place: Middlesbrough, York, England > Source: FHL Film 1342169 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4856 Folio > 82 Page 2 > Marr Age Sex Birthplace > Richard SHAROELL M 58 M Marske, York, England > Rel: Head > Occ: Tea Merchant > Mary A. SHAROELL M 58 F Ayton, York, England > Rel: Wife > John SHAROELL M 54 M Marske, York, England > Rel: Brother > Occ: Secy Building Society (Clerk) > Louisa HINDSON W 62 F Marske, York, England > Rel: Sister > > > It would be advisable to try to look at the original 1881 census entry, > as from the above it looks like Mary A was the wife of Richard, unless > there is a mistake somewhere. > Now, I had a look at the 1851 census index to the Guisborough area > HO107/2375, which includes Marske (by the sea) > > at folio 102, which is Brotton parish (includes Brotton, Kilton, > Saltburn, Skinningrove), there was > > Richard SHARVEL age 61 born SSX Rye > Rebecca " " 62 " SSX Seaford > > They were the only people wit this name in the index. I wonder if they > could be John & Richard's parents? > > Hopefully this gives you a few more leads to follow. > > Good luck, > -- > Helen Oram Hi Helen You are brilliant. I could give you a hug! I think Richard and John were probably brothers. And I think their father was also Richard. It appears from the IGI that they were Wesleyans and that Richard junior married twice - first to Jane SIMPSON on 5 Aug 1850, then to Mary Ann COULSON on 8 Apr 1862. Both marriages on the Middlesborough Wesleyan Circuit - no idea which chapel. The Eskimo place Mouske must be Marske, as Helen suggests. Was ther am Wesleyan chapel at Marske on the circuit, I wonder. What a brilliant list. Now I must leave you like the Lone Ranger. To join Sussex list where these SHARVELLs seem to have originated in the previous generation. Many many thanks John

Is there any reason why all mail to the list recently as been arriving like the one below rob ========Original Message======== Subj: [N'Yorks] Returned mail: User unknown Date: 22/06/2003 21:47:53 GMT Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:alsiboy@ntlworld.com">alsiboy@ntlworld.com</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com">ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com</A> Sent from the Internet (Details) --- Some of the following intended recipients had permanent fatal errors --- ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM --- Transcript of session follows --- .. while talking to mail.eta.earthstop.net: >>> RCPT To:ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM <<< 550 relaying to ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM... prohibited by administrator 550 ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.eta.earthstop.net Received-From-MTA: DNS; dsl.lifespring.com Arrival-Date: 22/06/03 Final-Recipient: RFC822; ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.eta.earthstop.net Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 relaying prohibited by administrator Last-Attempt-Date: 22/06/03 --- Portion of Original Message follows --- +OK 2602 octets Return-Path: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.41]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id < 20030622080204.JLIG16215.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@lists5.rootsweb. com>; Sun, 22 Jun 2003 09:02:04 +0100 Received: (from slist@localhost) ~by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id h5M80igl028975; ~Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:00:44 -0600 Resent-Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:00:44 -0600 X-Original-Sender: lsa@globalnet.co.uk Sun Jun 22 02:00:44 2003 Message-ID: <001201c33883$58e6d560$5a04bd50@lsa> From: "john cullwick" <lsa@globalnet.co.uk> Old-To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:58:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; ~charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: [N'Yorks] SHARVELL Resent-Message-ID: <moqG2D.A.SEH.sIW9-@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/6676 X-Loop: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L-request@rootsweb.com I am a new lister and hope I am on the right list. Firstly, Mary Ann SHARVELL died in Wolverhampton on 1st January 1901 aged 79. Her obituary was apparently published in the North Eastern Daily Gazette - which I understand is a Middlesborough paper. Is any KS going to somewhere that keeps old copies and can look that obituary up for me. Her husband appears to have been John SHARVELL, who was 74, born Mouske, York, Secretary to a Building Society, in the 1901 census. Cannot trace them at all on the 1881 census, but believe they were in Wolverhampton. And where is Mouske? Sounds like Eskimo territory. I know it is cold in North Yorkshire. I have never ventured north of Sheffield myself. Many thanks John Cullwick near Silverstone in rural Northants ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== ----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use <---------- When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? NO! It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== Have you visited the *NEW* RootsWeb/Ancestry Message Boards yet? Take a tour soon & learn how time-saving those "Gateway" messages are compared to trying to find the *new* ones on your own. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Funny....I saw the subject line "Beans from Normandy" and immediately wondered whether it was a recipe using white beans or brown ones..... Annie Ann Pettijohn Tomlinson annt51@cableone.net

I have just discovered some new names on my tree. Joseph HOLMES married Mary Ann PICKTHALL 1873. On the 1881 census Mary is stated as being from Kendal, and Joseph is from Hawes. Is anyone else interested in these names? Regards Pat ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----

In message <001201c33883$58e6d560$5a04bd50@lsa>, john cullwick <lsa@globalnet.co.uk> writes > >Firstly, Mary Ann SHARVELL died in Wolverhampton on 1st January 1901 >aged 79. Her obituary was apparently published in the North Eastern >Daily Gazette - which I understand is a Middlesborough paper. Is any >KS going to somewhere that keeps old copies and can look that obituary >up for me. > >Her husband appears to have been John SHARVELL, who was 74, born >Mouske, York, Secretary to a Building Society, in the 1901 census. >Cannot trace them at all on the 1881 census, but believe they were in >Wolverhampton. >Many thanks > >John Cullwick Hello again John, I think I have tracked down John in 1881 Dwelling: 62 Newport Rd Census Place: Middlesbrough, York, England Source: FHL Film 1342169 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4856 Folio 82 Page 2 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Richard SHAROELL M 58 M Marske, York, England Rel: Head Occ: Tea Merchant Mary A. SHAROELL M 58 F Ayton, York, England Rel: Wife John SHAROELL M 54 M Marske, York, England Rel: Brother Occ: Secy Building Society (Clerk) Louisa HINDSON W 62 F Marske, York, England Rel: Sister It would be advisable to try to look at the original 1881 census entry, as from the above it looks like Mary A was the wife of Richard, unless there is a mistake somewhere. I suppose it is always possible that if Mary A was Richard's wife, she may have married John later, perhaps if they were both widowed, although strictly speaking this was illegal at that time. Now, I had a look at the 1851 census index to the Guisborough area HO107/2375, which includes Marske (by the sea) at folio 102, which is Brotton parish (includes Brotton, Kilton, Saltburn, Skinningrove), there was Richard SHARVEL age 61 born SSX Rye Rebecca " " 62 " SSX Seaford They were the only people wit this name in the index. I wonder if they could be John & Richard's parents? Hopefully this gives you a few more leads to follow. Good luck, -- Helen Oram

In message <001201c33883$58e6d560$5a04bd50@lsa>, john cullwick <lsa@globalnet.co.uk> writes >I am a new lister and hope I am on the right list. >And where is Mouske? Sounds like Eskimo territory. I know it is cold >in North Yorkshire. I have never ventured north of Sheffield myself. > >Many thanks > >John Cullwick >near Silverstone in rural Northants > Hello John, Could it be Marske? <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Marske/index.html> There is also Marske by the Sea just to complicate matters! <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/NRY/Marskebythesea/index.html> Regards, -- Helen Oram

Hello Karen, Thank you for your reply, it is very helpful. Seems that I will have to go through Southport and pay the extra. I can work through an agent here in New Zealand, although that adds extra again. We are so accustomed to flashing our credit cards to pay for things these days, that we assume everyone is able to accept them! Regards Ailsa karen wrote: > > Hi Aisla, > > > Here is the link to the email addresses for Harrogate. > > > > http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/tradingstandards/general/contact.shtm > > > > I am afraid that North Yorks CC do not however take credit cards yet. But the lady there is very helpful if you have other queries. > > Further to my previous email. I would think the easiest thing to do would be to apply for your certificates from Southport > > http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certificates.asp > > I know the charge is a little bit more, but at least they take credit cards. > > Best Wishes > > Kareb > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ > > Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > ~~ The List's GOLDEN RULE ~~ > Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestors! Keep it clean & cool. > Treat others as you want them to treat you...Positively *NO* selling! > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 -- Hamilton New Zealand

Does anyone on the list have any connections with the BEAN family born in Normanby near Pickering?????? Thanks Hilary.

I am a new lister and hope I am on the right list. Firstly, Mary Ann SHARVELL died in Wolverhampton on 1st January 1901 aged 79. Her obituary was apparently published in the North Eastern Daily Gazette - which I understand is a Middlesborough paper. Is any KS going to somewhere that keeps old copies and can look that obituary up for me. Her husband appears to have been John SHARVELL, who was 74, born Mouske, York, Secretary to a Building Society, in the 1901 census. Cannot trace them at all on the 1881 census, but believe they were in Wolverhampton. And where is Mouske? Sounds like Eskimo territory. I know it is cold in North Yorkshire. I have never ventured north of Sheffield myself. Many thanks John Cullwick near Silverstone in rural Northants

Just for the record I am sure that official adoption started in 1926. All other adoptions before this would have been a private agreement. June

After sending my message to the list where I said I didn't think adoptions were official in 1877, I looked on the FRC site, that which I gave the URL for in the same message. There they have a section on Adoptions and it stated that adoptions weren't official until the first half of the 20th century, so Sue would probably be correct when she says they came into being about the late 1920s. There are various ways of buying certificates, obviously, but as I dont get to the UK too often, haven't been since starting my Family history several years ago, I find the system of checking entries with the local registrars to be the best for me. The system I use also seems to be the cheapest way to buy copies. Remember too that the local registrars still hold the original registers from which they will have sent copies to the GRO. Regards Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. >I may be wrong but I don't think there were Official Adoptions back in 1877. I'm willing to be corrected if anyone knows better, but I think official adoption came in in the late 1920s. Before that it was a completely informal arrangement which was simply the subject of consent between the parents of the child and the would-be parents. One of the daughters of one of my ancestors was informally adopted in this way by one of his brothers and his wife as they were unable to have children of their own. That was in the early 1900s. Regards STC >I think at that time it was still the case where a person who was willing to >take the child and bring it up as their own just did so. I am not sure >though when official adoptions came into being. > >As to ordering birth certificates when you are unsure if you have the right >person from the GRO index, you can ask the local registrars office if they >will check the entry for you against other details that you know to be >correct for the birth etc., that you are looking for. > >If you had found an entry in the GRO index for say Fred Bloggs and thought >it might be the one you are looking for, you will know from that entry >which quarter of the year that person had been born and which area the birth >had been registered in. If you also knew that his father was John Bloggs >and mother was Ann Bloggs neé Smith or had some other piece of inforamtion >such as an address or something, you could ask the local registrars office >to check the entry that you have found to see if the other information you >have matches that given on that particular entry in their registers. They >will not give you any information from the entry but they will say Yes or No >to whether the entry you are interested in matches your information, that is >all. > >You would have to send the £7.00 fee by cheque, some local offices do take >credit cards and some now have e.mail so you can ask about payment methods. >If they are successful in finding the right entry then they will keep the >fee and send you a copy of the entry. If however, the entry does not match >up they may keep part of the fee as a search fee, about half I believe, and >return the rest of the monry to you. I have done this a few times and have >not yet been charged for the search on failed enquiries, I think it depends >on each individual office whether or not they charge but can't be sure. > >The Genuki website will give you the addresses etc. of all the local >registrars offices for the UK so if you go to the relevant Page for your >place of interest and click on Civil Registration you will find the address >and phone number and the occassional e.mail address to. Go to >www.genuki.org.uk > >I feel this searching system of the local registers is far better than >thrashing about ordering 2 or 3 copies of what might or might not be the >correct entries. You may have to pay but not the full £7.00 and a copy of >the entry is cheaper from the local office than from the FRC as Myddleton >St. or from the GRO at Southport. > >You can look at the GRO website which explains about ordering copies from >them and about their search service which is more expensive. >http://www.statistics.gov.uk/registration/default.asp > >You could also look at the Family Records Centre Website too at >http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/default.htm > >Hope this is of some help >Regards >Jenny DeAngelis. >Spain. > >> New subscriber here though I have been reading the lists for a couple >> of weeks. My names being looked into are: >> FREER Malton 1877 Later became Taylor. This was my great grandmother. >> When she had my grandmother Elsie Freer (b.1895) it was alleged that >> she was adopted by the Taylor family. Any idea how I can check if this >> was a legal adoption? > > >==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== >----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use <---------- >When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? NO! >It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571sourceid=1237 > ______________________________

Hello, I have been following with some interest the ongoing thread re purchasing certificates. Bank cheques are very expensive here in New Zealand, too, and make the purchase of certificates far too expensive to consider. I checked the Genuki site and find the Northallerton district records are now at Harrogate. I have the postal address and would like to ask if anyone knows of an e-mail address, please? I would like to find out the way they accept payment, I hope by credit card. My English research is slowly coming to a halt, because I need the confirmation that only certificates can give me and for the number I need, far too expensive for my pocket. I can make assumptions based on other snippets of information I have, although that is not satisfactory. Many thanks for any help Ailsa Petrie -- Hamilton New Zealand

--- Some of the following intended recipients had permanent fatal errors --- ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM --- Transcript of session follows --- .. while talking to mail.eta.earthstop.net: >>> RCPT To:ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM <<< 550 relaying to ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM... prohibited by administrator 550 ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM... User unknown Reporting-MTA: dns; mail.eta.earthstop.net Received-From-MTA: DNS; dsl.lifespring.com Arrival-Date: 21/06/03 Final-Recipient: RFC822; ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@ROOTSWEB.COM Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Remote-MTA: DNS; mail.eta.earthstop.net Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 relaying prohibited by administrator Last-Attempt-Date: 21/06/03 --- Portion of Original Message follows --- +OK 2903 octets Return-Path: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L-request@rootsweb.com> Received: from lists5.rootsweb.com ([207.40.200.41]) by mta06-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.37 201-229-121-137-20020806) with ESMTP id <20030620222704.NPI16215.mta06-svc.ntlworld.com@lists5.rootsweb.c om>; Fri, 20 Jun 2003 23:27:04 +0100 Received: (from slist@localhost) ~by lists5.rootsweb.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) id h5KMMvMu005254; ~Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:22:57 -0600 Resent-Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 16:22:57 -0600 X-Original-Sender: Pmc248@cs.com Fri Jun 20 16:22:57 2003 From: Pmc248@cs.com Message-ID: <195.1c1ce961.2c24e340@cs.com> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 18:22:56 EDT Subject: Re: [N'Yorks] new finder names Old-To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 107 Resent-Message-ID: <HXeqtB.A.oRB.Bl48-@lists5.rootsweb.com> To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Reply-To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/6664 X-Loop: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L-request@rootsweb.com Hello Jenny, When we visited the Family Records Center at Islington, there was a whole area on the second floor which had a large sign over it which said " Adoptions". A I was not looking for anyone who would be in that section, we didn,t go there, but it may be possible to E mail them and ask when Adoptions became legal by law. Regarding the forms for certificates, when you are applying at the offices yourself, there is a section on the reverse side which you can fill in with the particulars of the person whose certificate you are seeking. So that if you are seeking Mary BROWN whose parents were John BROWN and Elizabeth BROWN [nee. SMITH] and the listing in the book does not give the Father's name, but the birth dates are the same, you can apply for more than one certificate, and as long as you have filled the reverse side and signed it, they will search for the certificate with the correct Father's name, and not charge you for the others, at least that is how they did when we went. However we were told that if we submitted more than one search for Mary Brown, but did not fill in and sign the reverse sign we could be charge for each search. Regards, Pam, in Arizona. ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

At 23:51 20/06/2003 +0200, Jenny wrote: >I may be wrong but I don't think there were Official Adoptions back in 1877. I'm willing to be corrected if anyone knows better, but I think official adoption came in in the late 1920s. Before that it was a completely informal arrangement which was simply the subject of consent between the parents of the child and the would-be parents. One of the daughters of one of my ancestors was informally adopted in this way by one of his brothers and his wife as they were unable to have children of their own. That was in the early 1900s. Regards STC >I think at that time it was still the case where a person who was willing to >take the child and bring it up as their own just did so. I am not sure >though when official adoptions came into being. > >As to ordering birth certificates when you are unsure if you have the right >person from the GRO index, you can ask the local registrars office if they >will check the entry for you against other details that you know to be >correct for the birth etc., that you are looking for. > >If you had found an entry in the GRO index for say Fred Bloggs and thought >it might be the one you are looking for, you will know from that entry >which quarter of the year that person had been born and which area the birth >had been registered in. If you also knew that his father was John Bloggs >and mother was Ann Bloggs neé Smith or had some other piece of inforamtion >such as an address or something, you could ask the local registrars office >to check the entry that you have found to see if the other information you >have matches that given on that particular entry in their registers. They >will not give you any information from the entry but they will say Yes or No >to whether the entry you are interested in matches your information, that is >all. > >You would have to send the £7.00 fee by cheque, some local offices do take >credit cards and some now have e.mail so you can ask about payment methods. >If they are successful in finding the right entry then they will keep the >fee and send you a copy of the entry. If however, the entry does not match >up they may keep part of the fee as a search fee, about half I believe, and >return the rest of the monry to you. I have done this a few times and have >not yet been charged for the search on failed enquiries, I think it depends >on each individual office whether or not they charge but can't be sure. > >The Genuki website will give you the addresses etc. of all the local >registrars offices for the UK so if you go to the relevant Page for your >place of interest and click on Civil Registration you will find the address >and phone number and the occassional e.mail address to. Go to >www.genuki.org.uk > >I feel this searching system of the local registers is far better than >thrashing about ordering 2 or 3 copies of what might or might not be the >correct entries. You may have to pay but not the full £7.00 and a copy of >the entry is cheaper from the local office than from the FRC as Myddleton >St. or from the GRO at Southport. > >You can look at the GRO website which explains about ordering copies from >them and about their search service which is more expensive. >http://www.statistics.gov.uk/registration/default.asp > >You could also look at the Family Records Centre Website too at >http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/default.htm > >Hope this is of some help >Regards >Jenny DeAngelis. >Spain. > >> New subscriber here though I have been reading the lists for a couple >> of weeks. My names being looked into are: >> FREER Malton 1877 Later became Taylor. This was my great grandmother. >> When she had my grandmother Elsie Freer (b.1895) it was alleged that >> she was adopted by the Taylor family. Any idea how I can check if this >> was a legal adoption? > > >==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== >----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use <---------- >When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? NO! >It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571sourceid=1237 >

Hi Aisla, > Here is the link to the email addresses for Harrogate. > > http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/tradingstandards/general/contact.shtm > > I am afraid that North Yorks CC do not however take credit cards yet. But the lady there is very helpful if you have other queries. Further to my previous email. I would think the easiest thing to do would be to apply for your certificates from Southport http://www.statistics.gov.uk/nsbase/registration/certificates.asp I know the charge is a little bit more, but at least they take credit cards. Best Wishes Kareb __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.

Hi Aisla. > I checked the Genuki site and find the Northallerton district records > are now at Harrogate. I have the postal address and would like to ask if > anyone knows of an e-mail address, please? I would like to find out the > way they accept payment, I hope by credit card. Here is the link to the email addresses for Harrogate. http://www.northyorks.gov.uk/tradingstandards/general/contact.shtm I am afraid that North Yorks CC do not however take credit cards yet. But the lady there is very helpful if you have other queries. The other records pertaining to the old North Riding are at:- http://www.middlesbrough-indexes.co.uk The above site is very useful if you have relatives specifically for that area. They do take credit cards and you can (as I have done) set up an account with them. Hope that helps. Best Wishes Karen __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application.