Hello Sue, He died from anaemia caused by persistent nose bleeds, not from loss of blood at a single event. Unless the iron lost during bleeding is replaced, then anaemia is produced. Peter Rowley in Runcorn, Cheshire searching for COX CRAWFORD both in YKS ANDERSON ROWLEY both in DUR &NBL

Dear Liz and Mary, Thank you both for your responses and the amazing Archaic Medical website. I think it probably was a nose bleed, what a horrible way to die - but how come someone can bleed to death from a nose bleed. I hope it's not hereditary! Kind regards Sue Taylor, Shropshire, UK All outgoing and incoming messages checked with McAfee anti-virus

Hello Sue Could it be Epistaxis which is another term for nose bleed - just a thought. Regards Mary Morgan ----- Original Message ----- From: "sue taylor" <sutaylor@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 12:05 AM Subject: [N'Yorks] What is 'Epixlascis Anaemia' ? > Hi Listers, > > Has anyone come across 'Epixlascis Anaemia'. My gg grandfather John > TAYLOR died from this at Northallerton Cottage Hospital in 1883. I've > tried 'goggle' with no luck - any help gratefully received. > > Regards Sue Taylor, Shropshire, UK > > All outgoing and incoming messages checked with McAfee anti-virus > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > ---> Some placed you don't want to miss!! > ~~ "Newbies' Guide: http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html ~~ > ~~ Genuki England: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/ ~~ > ~~ UK Public Records Office: http://www.pro.gov.uk ~~ > ~~ UK Newspapers? http://dds.nl/~kidon/media-link/ukpapers.shtml ~~ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

If I were you I would be looking for a second marriage of Thomas's mother to Henry Jefferson and for the death of Thomas's father. If you could find the marriage of the mother and Henry Jefferson this would give you her name and that would then be either her maiden name or her married name at that time if she was a widow. Either way it would give her father's name and his occupation which would show what surname the mother was born with and you could go from there looking for a possible first marriage for her if that proves to be the case. You could then find Thomas's birth certificate accordingly. I had a Gt. Grandmother who married three times in all, she had two children from each of her first two marriages and when I first discovered her in the 1881 census I wondered what on earth had gone on. She was there with my Grandma, the only child from her third and last marriage but with four older children with other surnames? I was very intrigued but soon got to the bottom of it by finding marraige and birth certificates etc. Good luck Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Harrison" <klharrison@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 12:21 PM Subject: [N'Yorks] Father's Name on Marriage Certificate .. > Hi Folks, > > I have just received the marriage certificate of one of my husband's ancestors ... and noticed that the father has a different surname to the groom: > > Thomas HARRISON - father Henry JEFFERSON > > If anyone has something similar in their research I would be grateful for any advise ... > > My immediate thoughts are that he is/was born outside of wedlock (so Harrison was his mother's maiden name) or that he was adopted. Does anyone else know of another reason. > > The wedding took place on 12 June 1841 - a couple of days after the census was taken. Need to have another look to see if I can find them! > > Kind regards > Karen > > ______________________________

Has anyone come across 'Sloughing of the Nates'. This is what my great great great great grandfather was certified as dying fom in 1860. James Harrison Halesowen West Midlands.

Hi Listers, Has anyone come across 'Epixlascis Anaemia'. My gg grandfather John TAYLOR died from this at Northallerton Cottage Hospital in 1883. I've tried 'goggle' with no luck - any help gratefully received. Regards Sue Taylor, Shropshire, UK All outgoing and incoming messages checked with McAfee anti-virus

Hi Everyone Just joined this list, although not new to Yorkshire Lists. I am looking for some info with regards to a marriage of Christopher SHEPHERDSON to Mary DOBSON in 1804 in Thornton Dale. I know of 2 children baptised of this couple. Dobson SHEPHERDSON, 1805 and John SHEPHERDSON, 1806 both baptised in Pickering. I notice from the Parish Registers by Colin Blanshard Withers that there are transcripts and indexes for both the parishes of Thornton Dale and of Pickering. Does anyone on the List have any of these indexes or access to them? Is there anyone planning on a visit to Northallerton in the near future who would be kind enough to look for the marriage in 1804 of Christopher & Mary in Thornton Dale? I am mainly looking for and hoping the marriage may have shown Christopher's father's name. Thank you to anyone who can offer any assistance. Janet

Hi Elizabeth Just a thought. Another possibility might be the word naris meaning opening to the nose, that would fit with the nosebleed Cheers Sandie in Nova Scotia Elizabeth Agar wrote: >Hi James, > >I couldn't find anything on Paul Smith's site at >http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm >but going from OED definitions - > >nates = (1) buttocks or haunches > (2) the anterior and larger pair of the optic lobes of the brain. > >slough = Of diseased skin, tissue, etc.: >(a) To come away or off, to be shed, as a slough. >1720 Quincy tr. Hodges' Loimologia 138 Those which went no >further than the skin, would oftentimes slough off. >1787 Med. Comm. II. 160 A large portion of the integuments.. >sloughed away. >1813 J. Thomson Lect. Inflamm. 269 The injured part of the >artery sloughed off with the ligature. >1847 W. C. L. Martin Ox 160/2 The diseased part..sloughs away, >and new and healthy skin is reproduced. > >(b) To become covered or encrusted with a slough; to form or >develop necrosed tissue. >1787 Med. Comm. II. 160 It was evident that some part of the >urethra had also sloughed. >1804 Abernethy Surg. Obs. 54 The exposed tumour inflamed and >sloughed progressively, till it entirely came away. >1846 F. Brittan tr. Malgaigne's Man. Oper. Surg. 319 The columna.. >sloughed from the fourth day, and was removed with the scissors. >1880 MacCormac Antiseptic Surg. 14 In the other case of >protracted recovery, a large portion of skin sloughed. >fig. > >2. trans. To eat away, to throw off, by the formation of a slough or >sloughs. >1762 R. Guy Pract. Obs. Cancers 48 Four large Ulcers were >sloughing the Breast away. >1844 H. Stephens Bk. Farm II. 612 The portion of the vertebra >which has been cut through will have to be sloughed off before the >wound can heal. > >So, did he die of bed sores or a brain tumour?? > >Perhaps an email to Paul Smith will help with this too!! > >Cheers, >Liz in Melbourne > >On Friday, September 12, 2003 9:44 AM, James Harrison [SMTP:jh004e4234@blueyonder.co.uk] wrote: > >>Has anyone come across 'Sloughing of the Nates'. This is what my great great great great grandfather was certified as dying fom in 1860. >> >>James Harrison >>Halesowen >>West Midlands. >> >> >>==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== >>ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post >>your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. >> >>============================== >>To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > >==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== >This List is dedicated to the North Riding, Yorkshire, England! If you >have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please >contact Kathleen off-list at Administration@KathleensKorner.net. Thanks. > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Greetings , I have been given details of a family centred on the marriage of William SAYER and Elizabeth ALDERSON on 6 May 1717 but have not been able to confirm this . William's Father , Thomas , was born in Hutton Rudby . Two of William's (known) 5 children were born in Osmotherley , but I have not been able to trace the others . Whilst my SAYER records are fairly extensive I have never followed the ALDERSON name . Maybe someone interested in ALDERSON will be able to help . Best Wishes , Harry Sayer , Ambleside . Researching . CALVERT , HODGSON , PYBUS , SIMPSON All in E.Cleveland Coast and Moors area SAYER Anywhere in N.Riding from 1350 up to 1850 . I am working on several lines apart from my own and welcome any contributions and new contacts .

Many thanks to all those listers who replied to my earlier request. It seems that not all of the messages from the list get through to me (I have not had any messages in the past 24 hours), so if I have not replied personally to you please accept my apologies. Regards, Bob > Hi listers, > Does anyone know of a website that lists the towns/parishes included within > each "Piece" number in the 1891 (or any other) census returns. For example, > Piece 4012 = Middlesbrough. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

Some nice people suggested that I try north yorks.gov.uk/libraries and follow links. My problem is that i do not understand your hierarchy of local govt.and not knowing your local geography am unable to find Ruswarp or near district. Can someone please straighten me out. Stuart from Sth. Aust.

Hi Stuart, You might find a good place to begin understand all about the UK, our local government systems, civil registration, church records, archives and record offices, maps and where places are within the county or country. In short all kinds of very useful information about the UK that will help you get to grips with genealogy by going to the Genuki website at www.genuki.org.uk from here you can link to each county and then to the place names within that county which interest you. There are also many links to items of interest. Yorkshire is quite a complicated county to get to grips with so make sure that you read all the information on the initial page for Yorks. on the Genuki site when you get there, this is very important to understanding the place as a whole. I also find that a good current road map atlas of either the whole of the UK or of England very useful for pinpointing places as they are today and seeing the lie of the land. You will find links on the Genuki site where you can purchase reproduction and/or old maps from the 19th century of portions of the country too. Good Luck Jenny DeAngelis. Spain. > Some nice people suggested that I try north yorks.gov.uk/libraries and follow links. My problem is that i do not understand your hierarchy of local govt.and not knowing your local geography am unable to find Ruswarp or near district. Can someone please straighten me out. > Stuart from Sth. Aust.

Hi Karen, I have different names on one of my certs and yes he was born out of wedlock. Another reason is that he could have been born to his mothers previous husband. Ian -----Original Message----- From: Karen Harrison [mailto:klharrison@btinternet.com] Sent: 10 September 2003 11:22 To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [N'Yorks] Father's Name on Marriage Certificate .. Hi Folks, I have just received the marriage certificate of one of my husband's ancestors ... and noticed that the father has a different surname to the groom: Thomas HARRISON - father Henry JEFFERSON If anyone has something similar in their research I would be grateful for any advise ... My immediate thoughts are that he is/was born outside of wedlock (so Harrison was his mother's maiden name) or that he was adopted. Does anyone else know of another reason. The wedding took place on 12 June 1841 - a couple of days after the census was taken. Need to have another look to see if I can find them! Kind regards Karen ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== ~~ The List's GOLDEN RULE ~~ Keep to genealogy, history, anything ancestors! Keep it clean & cool. Treat others as you want them to treat you...Positively *NO* selling! ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Folks, I have just received the marriage certificate of one of my husband's ancestors ... and noticed that the father has a different surname to the groom: Thomas HARRISON - father Henry JEFFERSON If anyone has something similar in their research I would be grateful for any advise ... My immediate thoughts are that he is/was born outside of wedlock (so Harrison was his mother's maiden name) or that he was adopted. Does anyone else know of another reason. The wedding took place on 12 June 1841 - a couple of days after the census was taken. Need to have another look to see if I can find them! Kind regards Karen

Hi Patrick, I think you made a spelling mistake it should be Hutton Rudby. Ian -----Original Message----- From: PATRICK KEANE [mailto:p.keane@ntlworld.com] Sent: 09 September 2003 22:22 To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [N'Yorks] 1861 census for Hutton rugby Does any lister have the 1861 census for Hutton Rugby? Searching Elizabeth Whorlton with parents William and Hannah Lynn Keane ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== NO Virus warnings, seasonal greetings or private 'chit-chat' on this list, okay! Other than that, anything pertaining to the lives and times of those we seek goes, but MUST be kept within the *List's Golden Rule*. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Does any lister have the 1861 census for Hutton Rugby? Searching Elizabeth Whorlton with parents William and Hannah Lynn Keane

Just thought I would list the name WHORLTON again from Hutton Rugby Anyone with connections Lynn

Hi , Here they are in 1861, Hornby's Yard Pocklington 3560/17b/18 William Fisher Head Marr 30yrs Ag Lab b Leconfield Yorks Hannah " wife 30yrs Walkington Thomas " son 8yrs Pocklington Ann " dau 7yrs " Hannah " " 5yrs " Rose E " " 2yrs " could'nt find the family in 1851 here's William I think in 1841 Leckonfield 1219/7/9 Phillip Fisher 40yrs Ag Lab Y Mary " 35yrs " Phillip " 12yrs " William " 10yrs " Robert " 8yrs " Martha " 6yrs " James 4yrs " Mary " 2yrs " *John " 15yrs " *John was at the bottom of the household list, Judith At 18:02 07/09/2003 -0700, you wrote: >Hi list, last week I got the scan of the marriage cert >of my gg grandparents. >My gg grandmother,Rose Ellen FISHER (born abt 1861, >Pocklington, YKS), >she married my gg grandfather James Hopper SUFFILL/ >SUFFIELD, in 1888 at Langton, YKS, >she had been previously widowed, and her previous >married name was MERCHANT. >The marriage cert lists William FISHER, labourer as >her father. >Anyone with connections out there? >Anyone with access to 1871 or 1861 census for >Pocklington? >love to hear from you >cheers >John Dods, Wellington, New Zealand > > >===== >Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project >and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software >http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com > > >==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== >Uh-Oh!!! <----- Missed or deleted a post that would put a crack in your >wall? Remember, day and night, the RootsWeb Archives are always there to >browse or search from http://www.rootsweb.com . > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I guess I am trying the impossible but I have Wrights in my family tree. They married inot the BOOKER family. Did any of yours? Jean in sunny Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "getsmart" <getsmart@beeb.net> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:23 AM Subject: [NYorks] Viking Ancestors > Somebody told me that someone (a university, maybe) is doing reseach to find out how many Yorkshire folk have Viking blood in their veins as well. I believe they were taking DNA samples from volunteers to see if they were Viking descendants. Does anyone know if this is the case, and if so who is conducting the study? My father always believed that the LINSLEY surname had Viking origins, and I would love to know! > > Dorothy Smart (nee LINSLEY) > > Also researching CANHAM, CARRICK, DEARING, SPINK, WILSON and WRIGHT in North and East Yorkshire. > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: > Diana Boothe philsbarbie1@arkansasfamilies.net > > ============================== > Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration > Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 > >

Desperately trying to find who was living at Willow Tree House/Farm located just outside the village of West Rounton in the 1901 cencus. I believe the civil parish is East Harlsey entire and Yorkshire - West Rounton administrative. Have tried every combination I can think of without success and would appreciate any help