Hi Ailsa, You might try going to the "British Expeditiary Force" site. Canadians fought in the British Expediary Force during WW 1. New Zealanders may have as well. In any case, the Department of Veterans Affairs in Canada have just recently put the enlistment "roll" of all men who served, as well as they are undertaking to put copies of their enlistment papers on line I found my Great-uncle's enlistment papers on the site, and he survived the war. I also found the burial place of a distant cousin who died in WW 1, and the enlistment papers of his brother, who survived the war. It's really neat. On the enlistment papers, they have their height, weight, hair, eye and skin color, religion, and their next of kin. So, if you can find such a site (or go through your Department of Veterans' Affairs - or it's equivalent) you might have a lot of your questions. Good Luck!' Marg Taylor Alberta, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailsa Petrie" <ampetrie@ihug.co.nz> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2003 8:17 PM Subject: [N'Yorks] World War I service records > Hello List, > > This may be a hopeless question and a stab in the dark, but here goes. I > would like to know where I might look to find the names of men who > served in World War I, and survived. Where might any records be kept? I > remember reading that many World War 2 records were destroyed in the > bombing, did this include WWI records as well? > > I have found a number of marriages in my families which took place just > before and during 1914-18, with, apparently, no children being born to > the couples in the immediate years following and I am wondering if the > marriages took place before the men went off to war. > > Can anyone offer suggestions, please? > > Many thanks > Ailsa Petrie > -- > > Hamilton > New Zealand > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > ----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use <---------- > When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? NO! > It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

You might try google.com and enter "Lady Ann Howard" (using the quotes as I have written). This brings up several websites to look at including one or two that list other childen of Wm. Tunnell and Ann. Or I would suggest that you might subscribe to a Medieval Genealogy list (you can find some listed on rootsweb.com). There are some knowledgable people on these lists that may be able to help if you are interested in learning of possible royal connections or further information about the family. Nancy Vogt My web page: http://community.webtv.net/nanspage

Hi Peter, Yes I believe we are talking about the same church. I have used the FHC here in the states near me. I have view 2 films one for births and another for marriages. It is for: "The parish church is also known as All-Saints or Skelton-in-Cleveland" as stated in the FHC notes about the films of Skelton. Now I see there is a third film I could order on banns. Here is the family history as I know: father: William LOCKWOOD b. 1763 Topcliffe m. 27 Dec 1790 Lythe to Ruth MERRY b. 1764 Yorkshire b. 5 Dec. 1848 Skelton Many children of this marriage : Jane LOCKWOOD b. 1791 Topcliffe Peter Merry Lockwood b. 1793 Skelton Ruth Lockwood b. 1794 Skelton Hannah Lockwood b. 1795 Ann Lockwood b. 1796 Mary Lockwood b. 1798 Ellis Lockwood b. Aug 1799Skelton John Lockwood b. 1801 William Lockwood b. 1802 Skelton Frances Lockwood b. 1804 Skelton m. Joseph Kipling 1836 Skelton Sarah Lockwood b. 1806 Skelton Elizabeth Lockwood b. 1806 Skelton From 1829-1854 I found several marriages and many births in the Skelton Church book: however I did not find a marriage for Ellis LOCKWOOD and John TAYLOR. I thought that if they didn't marry in Skelton Church, All Saints perhaps they married at John TAYLOR's church, which I believe to be in Sneaton, St. Hilda's church. (near Whitby) Now I am waiting for the Bishop's transcripts for the Sneaton church to arrive at my local FHC. I will try to match up the birth for John TAYLOR b. 1800 at this Sneaton church and maybe I will find the marriage taking place there. By family lore I have been told that in 1830 soon after these newly weds were married they immigrated to USA and settled in Dearborn County, Indiana. They had 2 children in Indiana. Elizabeth Taylor b. 1832 and George Lockwood TAYLOR b. 1834. Shortly after the birth of George in 1834 Ellis Lockwood TAYLOR died and she is buried in Dearborn County, Indiana. I know for sure the section from 1832 onward taking place in Indiana. They were Methodist once they were in Indiana. Do you think that maybe they were of the Methodist faith for the marriage? Thus the reason for asking about the records at Teesside Archives is perhaps something was missing on the film or perhaps I missed the records of the marriage. Is there a fee for you for looking up this record for me? There is no rush for finding this marriage. Please advise. Thank you, Margaret In a message dated 9/12/2003 2:28:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, peter.appleton3@ntlworld.com writes: > > > Forgive me if I am asking a stupid question but, are you sure you are > looking in the right Skelton? The GENUKI web site gives links for 13 > different places in Yorkshire that include in their name the word "Skelton". > > If you are sure that the Skelton for you is Skelton-in-Cleveland in the > North Riding of Yorkshire then the only church in the village is All Saints > and the registers are held locally at Teesside Archives which is just 20 > minutes from where I live. > > I don't have much reason at present to research in the Teesside Archives > but, next time I'm there, I'll check the PR for Skelton All Saints for the > marriage of John Taylor and Ellis Lockwood around 1830. (If I search 1830 > +/- 5 years would that suffice?) > > Another possibility would be a non-conformist marriage. I've had need to > follow this path with some of my own ancestors but the Methodist records for > the Redcar, Saltburn and Guisborough Circuits (which include Skelton and the > outlying villages) have been kept only from the mid-1830s. So this might > prove to be a dry well before we even begin. >

Hi Judith Thank you so very much for your very kind offer of looking up this info for me. I am doing research on the SHEPHERDSON name. This Christopher at the moment does not connect with our family at the moment. However, in saying that, we are finding connections of one family to the other and this could be the case here. I don't know where this Christopher came from and any baptisms of a Christopher SHEPHERDSON just don't seem to be him. I have no idea of how old he was. Was he a bachelor or widower? Occupation? Does it name his father and his occupation? Does it say what parish Christopher or his father are from? Christopher married Mary DOBSON on October 16, 1804 in Thornton Dale. The only known children I know of are Dobson SHEPHERDSON, January 20, 1805 and John SHEPHERDSON, November 30, 1806 I hate to burden you with anything else, but could you check also the transcriptions or indexes to see if there are any further mentions of the name SHEPHERDSON. Do you know if there is an 1851 census index of surnames for the area of around Pickering? I have the East Yorkshire census index but it does not have any info on Christopher or Mary. Wonder if they may be still alive and living in Pickering. However, if your time is limited, don't worry about that info. I really do appreciate any info that you can find. We leave on the 12th of October for our visit to Australia and New Zealand. I mentioned to you before that we had to cancel our April trip because of the Iraq war. Really looking forward to this trip. Thanks again. Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judith Varley" <judith.varley@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2003 2:14 AM Subject: Re: [N'Yorks] Help with Research Required > Hi Janet, > I have booked to go to Northallerton on the 8th Oct and will gladly check > the Registers for you, > Judith > > > > >

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Hello Lola, The parish records for St.Aidan's, Boosbeck will be held at Teesside Archives, 6 Marton Road, Middlesbrough, TS1 1DB (Tel: +44 1642 224 8321). The staff here are a very friendly and helpful bunch. You can e-mail them at: - teessidearchives@middlesbrough.gov.uk. I live in Guisborough, a small market town just five miles away from Boosbeck and have been researching my own ancestry for about nine months. Neither the HUSBAND nor AGAR surnames feature in my family tree but I do recall seeing many instances of them in the parish register for All Saints, Skelton-in-Cleveland. Both surnames are quite prevalent in the area. They registered with me as I saw them because, when growing up in Skelton as a small boy in the 1950s, a family of AGARs lived a few doors down the street from my home. Later, a HUSBAND was the milk delivery man. If you succeed in finding something out about George and Emma/Eva and push further back in time you'll probably end up searching in All Saints Skelton registers. These are also held at Teesside Archives. Another possible source of information for the local ironstone mining community is the excellent set of booklets published by Peter Tuffs (a local historian) entitled: Directory of Cleveland Ironstone Miners and their Associates. It comes in five volumes (A5 booklets) and comprises transcriptions of items taken from the local newspapers of the time. There are references to AGARs as follows: Forename, Occupation, Article dated, Volume Barker, Miner, 2 Jun 1908, 1 George, Miner, 15 Nov 1905, 2 James, Miner, 3 Jan 1880, 2 Joseph, Miner, 5 Nov 1875, 4 Joseph, Miner, 3 Jan 1880, 2 Ralph, Farmer, 9 Feb 1866, 1 Thomas, Builder, 4 Aug 1883, 1 Thomas, Miner, 27 Dec 1905, 2 Thomas, Deputy-overman, 31 Oct 1907, 2 These booklets can be obtained from Guisborough Bookshop: http://www.guisboroughbookshop.com/ Hope this helps you. Don't hesitate to ask for any clarification on these or any other aspects of research in the Cleveland area of the UK. regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Yikasub@aol.com [mailto:Yikasub@aol.com] Sent: 12 September 2003 13:22 To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [N'Yorks] Re: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-D Digest V03 #205 RE: HUSBAND / AGAR MARRIAGE Just wondering how I look up Church records for St. Aidans, Boosbeck. I think my grandparents, George HUSBAND and Emma or Eva AGAR married in 1911 at this church. Trying to find out Emma's dads name - he was known as "Smack" AGAR. But what was his real name I wonder. He died in Lingdale approx. 1929. An ironstone miner all his life. He would also have had a record for poaching - Guisborough Court House probably over a number of years whilst trying to feed 12 children. Lola HUSBAND Fremantle, Western Australia ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== *** Tired of this LIST? Going on vacation, a business trip? *** Send an email with one word, UNSUBSCRIBE, in the Subject and Message area to: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L-request@rootsweb.com. Digest? "L" into "D". ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello List, This may be a hopeless question and a stab in the dark, but here goes. I would like to know where I might look to find the names of men who served in World War I, and survived. Where might any records be kept? I remember reading that many World War 2 records were destroyed in the bombing, did this include WWI records as well? I have found a number of marriages in my families which took place just before and during 1914-18, with, apparently, no children being born to the couples in the immediate years following and I am wondering if the marriages took place before the men went off to war. Can anyone offer suggestions, please? Many thanks Ailsa Petrie -- Hamilton New Zealand

In a message dated 9/12/2003 9:51:36 AM Eastern Standard Time, peter.appleton3@ntlworld.com writes: > the parish register for All Saints, > Skelton-in-Cleveland. Both surnames are quite prevalent in the area. They > registered with me as I saw them because, when growing up in Skelton as Hello Peter, I am interested in Skelton (near Cleveland) My family names that I am most interested in learning about are; Ellis LOCKWOOD christening 5 Aug 1799 Skelton, (parents were William Lockwood and his wife born Ruth Merry.) Ellis married John TAYLOR b. 1800 Yorkshire, around 1830 but I am not sure where in Yorkshire. John Taylor may have been born in Sneaton near Whitby. I am checking that out when the film arrives at my FHC. Do you have clues of where to check for the marriage of Ellis LOCKWOOD and John TAYLOR around 1830. I might have missed the marriage when I view the film of Skelton. Thanks for any ideas. Margaret in Maryland, USA

You could probably do a search for Cholera epidemics in England and find some information. However, it is unlikely that you would be able to locate a precise year i.e. 1840 and come up with a definite cause of death for your ancestor. It would seem likely that given the sanitary conditions (lack thereof) of the time that any illness resulting in prolonged diarrhea could cause death. Usually the cold weather was conducive to the slowing of outbreaks so perhaps the fact that the death was registered in November may be a clue. However, it also could just be that the registrar was slow in accomplishing the task due to lack of personnel or whatever. Nancy Vogt My web page: http://community.webtv.net/nanspage

Hi James, I couldn't find anything on Paul Smith's site at http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm but going from OED definitions - nates = (1) buttocks or haunches (2) the anterior and larger pair of the optic lobes of the brain. slough = Of diseased skin, tissue, etc.: (a) To come away or off, to be shed, as a slough. 1720 Quincy tr. Hodges' Loimologia 138 Those which went no further than the skin, would oftentimes slough off. 1787 Med. Comm. II. 160 A large portion of the integuments.. sloughed away. 1813 J. Thomson Lect. Inflamm. 269 The injured part of the artery sloughed off with the ligature. 1847 W. C. L. Martin Ox 160/2 The diseased part..sloughs away, and new and healthy skin is reproduced. (b) To become covered or encrusted with a slough; to form or develop necrosed tissue. 1787 Med. Comm. II. 160 It was evident that some part of the urethra had also sloughed. 1804 Abernethy Surg. Obs. 54 The exposed tumour inflamed and sloughed progressively, till it entirely came away. 1846 F. Brittan tr. Malgaigne's Man. Oper. Surg. 319 The columna.. sloughed from the fourth day, and was removed with the scissors. 1880 MacCormac Antiseptic Surg. 14 In the other case of protracted recovery, a large portion of skin sloughed. fig. 2. trans. To eat away, to throw off, by the formation of a slough or sloughs. 1762 R. Guy Pract. Obs. Cancers 48 Four large Ulcers were sloughing the Breast away. 1844 H. Stephens Bk. Farm II. 612 The portion of the vertebra which has been cut through will have to be sloughed off before the wound can heal. So, did he die of bed sores or a brain tumour?? Perhaps an email to Paul Smith will help with this too!! Cheers, Liz in Melbourne On Friday, September 12, 2003 9:44 AM, James Harrison [SMTP:jh004e4234@blueyonder.co.uk] wrote: > Has anyone come across 'Sloughing of the Nates'. This is what my great great great great grandfather was certified as dying fom in 1860. > > James Harrison > Halesowen > West Midlands. > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post > your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Sue, Could that be Epistaxis Anaemia? Epistaxis is bleeding from the nose. See http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm If all else fails, you can email Paul Smith - see first his tips for sending questions under "Contact". Cheers, Liz in Melbourne On Friday, September 12, 2003 9:06 AM, sue taylor [SMTP:sutaylor@blueyonder.co.uk] wrote: > Hi Listers, > > Has anyone come across 'Epixlascis Anaemia'. My gg grandfather John > TAYLOR died from this at Northallerton Cottage Hospital in 1883. I've > tried 'goggle' with no luck - any help gratefully received. > > Regards Sue Taylor, Shropshire, UK >

Good Morning Peter, Thank you for that insight - these extra pieces of information help to build a fuller picture. Kind regards Sue Taylor, Shropshire, UK All outgoing and incoming messages checked with McAfee anti-virus

Hi, One of my ancestors - Rhoda Hartley died in Leeds Infirmary of "inflammation of the bowels" She died on 30 September 1840 but the death was not registered until 24 November by "H.L.Thornton in attendance Infirmary" - nearly two months later. My query is what caused the inflammation - could it have been dysentry or cholera? Was there an epidemic at this time and was that the reason for the long delay in her death being registered. Any theories or information very welcome Ruth

Hi Ailsa, I found this web site a useful starting point for researching military servicemen. http://www.armymuseums.co.uk/ancestor.htm regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Ailsa Petrie [mailto:ampetrie@ihug.co.nz] Sent: 12 September 2003 03:17 To: ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [N'Yorks] World War I service records Hello List, This may be a hopeless question and a stab in the dark, but here goes. I would like to know where I might look to find the names of men who served in World War I, and survived. Where might any records be kept? I remember reading that many World War 2 records were destroyed in the bombing, did this include WWI records as well? I have found a number of marriages in my families which took place just before and during 1914-18, with, apparently, no children being born to the couples in the immediate years following and I am wondering if the marriages took place before the men went off to war. Can anyone offer suggestions, please? Many thanks Ailsa Petrie -- Hamilton New Zealand ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== ----------> ALL CAPS or UPPER CASE Letters Permissible Use <---------- When typing a surname? YES! Absolutely! A must! For general text? NO! It's shouting, bad manners (Netiquette) and hard to find surnames. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello all, Just a reminder! The Great North Fair at Gateshead International Stadium, Neilson Road, Gateshead is happening this Saturday, the 13th September 2003. This promises to be absolutely huge (!) with Family History Societies and traders from all over the UK. Then, on Sunday, 14th September another great event! Yorkshire Coast Family History Fair, Spa Complex, Scarborough. Wow! What a weekend! See you there! Regards, Janice Wood www.btinternet.com/~jansfamily/ www.yorkshireancestors.com in North Yorkshire Researching: BANKS, BEALL, BULMER, CALVERT, COCKERILL, FISHER, FOX, FOXTON, GARBUT, HARRISON, HAWKINS, HOLYDAY, HURD, KIRK, LOWTHER, MATTISON, NAWTON, PATTISON, PICKARD, PICKERING, POTTER, SCAIFE, SHOUT, SIMPSON, SKILBECK, STONEHOUSE, THOMPSON, TRENHOLM(E), WARRINER, WEATHERILL, WEDGEWOOD, WILSON, and WOOD.

In a message dated 9/12/2003 7:30:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, judith.varley@btinternet.com writes: > > Hi Margaret, > there's no fee, > I gladly check the entry for you > Judith > Thanks Judith. It will greatly appreciated. Margaret

RE: HUSBAND / AGAR MARRIAGE Just wondering how I look up Church records for St. Aidans, Boosbeck. I think my grandparents, George HUSBAND and Emma or Eva AGAR married in 1911 at this church. Trying to find out Emma's dads name - he was known as "Smack" AGAR. But what was his real name I wonder. He died in Lingdale approx. 1929. An ironstone miner all his life. He would also have had a record for poaching - Guisborough Court House probably over a number of years whilst trying to feed 12 children. Lola HUSBAND Fremantle, Western Australia

Hi there!! I am compiling data onmy 5th G.Grandparents named "Lady"Ann(howard)and Wm.Tunnel(b.1702-03 in France.)His Dad was Guillaume Tonnelier but Dad changed their name to Tunnell some time after 1703.Guillaume also had sons named James and John who also came to Virginia a little while after Wm.came. Ann and Wm.came to America sometime between 1731 to 1736 from Yorkshire N.Riding They had 4 known children but I figure they had at least 12 or 13 kids I am only compiling on two of their sons and an Elizabeth Tunnell-Ball ,whom I am assuming is one of their daughters.. But I have always wanted to know of their other sons and daughter's of GuillaumeTonnelier-Tunnel and his wife. Her name has never been known to any of Wm.Tunnel's descendents. William's wife was always called "LADY"Ann.She was born in Yorkshire,North Riding in 1710 and died in 1814.nr,Oak Rige,Tn.Her maiden name was Howard. and she descends thru the Royal line of the Howard's of Yorkshire off wich I know nothing about. Ann and Wm.Tunnel were my 5th G.Grandparents, Would love to hear from any Tunnell descendent about the Tonnelier/Tunnel/Tunnell family. Sincerely yours, Wilma M.(COWSAR)Brown P.S.I live nr.a little town called Granbury,Texas.about 50 miles S.W.of Ft.worth,Tx. P.S.S.Will answer all e-mails.

Judith, What is your fee for checking at Northallerton ? I have a gr gr grandfather b. 1800 at St. Hilda's Church Sneaton, (Near Whitby) named John TAYLOR. What is the fee for checking this out? Tahnks Margaret

Thanks for that. James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elizabeth Agar" <emagar@hotkey.net.au> To: <ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2003 2:03 AM Subject: RE: [N'Yorks] STRANGE CAUSES OF DEATH ? > Hi James, > > I couldn't find anything on Paul Smith's site at > http://www.paul_smith.doctors.org.uk/ArchaicMedicalTerms.htm > but going from OED definitions - > > nates = (1) buttocks or haunches > (2) the anterior and larger pair of the optic lobes of the brain. > > slough = Of diseased skin, tissue, etc.: > (a) To come away or off, to be shed, as a slough. > 1720 Quincy tr. Hodges' Loimologia 138 Those which went no > further than the skin, would oftentimes slough off. > 1787 Med. Comm. II. 160 A large portion of the integuments.. > sloughed away. > 1813 J. Thomson Lect. Inflamm. 269 The injured part of the > artery sloughed off with the ligature. > 1847 W. C. L. Martin Ox 160/2 The diseased part..sloughs away, > and new and healthy skin is reproduced. > > (b) To become covered or encrusted with a slough; to form or > develop necrosed tissue. > 1787 Med. Comm. II. 160 It was evident that some part of the > urethra had also sloughed. > 1804 Abernethy Surg. Obs. 54 The exposed tumour inflamed and > sloughed progressively, till it entirely came away. > 1846 F. Brittan tr. Malgaigne's Man. Oper. Surg. 319 The columna.. > sloughed from the fourth day, and was removed with the scissors. > 1880 MacCormac Antiseptic Surg. 14 In the other case of > protracted recovery, a large portion of skin sloughed. > fig. > > 2. trans. To eat away, to throw off, by the formation of a slough or > sloughs. > 1762 R. Guy Pract. Obs. Cancers 48 Four large Ulcers were > sloughing the Breast away. > 1844 H. Stephens Bk. Farm II. 612 The portion of the vertebra > which has been cut through will have to be sloughed off before the > wound can heal. > > So, did he die of bed sores or a brain tumour?? > > Perhaps an email to Paul Smith will help with this too!! > > Cheers, > Liz in Melbourne > > On Friday, September 12, 2003 9:44 AM, James Harrison [SMTP:jh004e4234@blueyonder.co.uk] wrote: > > Has anyone come across 'Sloughing of the Nates'. This is what my great great great great grandfather was certified as dying fom in 1860. > > > > James Harrison > > Halesowen > > West Midlands. > > > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > > ROLL CALLS? Not permitted unless instituted by the List Admin. But post > > your interests and areas of search often. New members join every day. > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > This List is dedicated to the North Riding, Yorkshire, England! If you > have a problem, question, need direction or to report a virus, please > contact Kathleen off-list at Administration@KathleensKorner.net. Thanks. > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >