The hospital is still there and called West Lane Hospital on the corner of West Lane and Ayresome Green Lane. Green lane is about half a mile further south. Lancelot --------------------------------------------------- Hello Sue, I don't know what the query is on Green lane but I do know there was a Green lane in Middlesbrough where the fever hospital was/is. Regards, Barbara

In message <[email protected]>, Paul Verney <[email protected]> writes > >Hi, > >Can SKP help me with this? >How would I go about finding the cause of death for someone who died in >1811. >in the Wensley / Layburn area? >Are there any death reports at this time & where would I start to look > >Dotty in Gloucestershire. Hi Dotty, Unless there was something unusual about the circumstances, you are unlikely to find anything. There were no death certificates at this date. Some parish burial records mention illnesses/cause of death, but this very much depended on what the incumbent/parish clerk wished to make a note of. I've just looked at the PR transcript of Wensley for 1811 and no cause of death details are given. If the death was caused by an accident, you could try local newspapers. Sometimes there are clues on a memorial inscription. <http://www.bl.uk/collections/newspapers.html> Regards, -- Helen Oram

Hi, Can SKP help me with this? How would I go about finding the cause of death for someone who died in 1811. in the Wensley / Layburn area? Are there any death reports at this time & where would I start to look Dotty in Gloucestershire.

Hi Laurel, Her are the MI's from St Wilfred, Great Langton, N Yks. Table tomb. " Erected in memory of THOMAS SAYER Esq. He died at Moulton 14th November 1807, aged 46yrs. Near this tomb is deposited the mortal remains of ANN SAYER wife of THOMAS SAYER. She died Gilling 9th August 1842, aged 80yrs. In memory of ALICE daughter of THOMAS & ANN SAYER who died at Carthorpe 22nd April 1866, aged 75yrs." "In memory of THOMAS son of THOMAS & ANN SAYER who departed this life 11th August 1794, aged 6yrs. I have a few other MI's from this area if it is of any help to listers. Dotty in Gloucestershire.

Hi Michele, That's wonderful. Thank you very much. Please remember me if you're ever looking for anyone in Australia. Yours, Julie

Hi Julie, Here they are, albeit with a different spelling of the surname - 1841 census, West Burton (Aysgarth parish) John Hammil, age 35 overwritten 30, Coal Miner, Y Jane Hammil, 30, Y Elizabeth, 14, Y Eleanor, 11, Y John, 7, Y Jane, 5, Y Agnes, 3, Y n k, 1 month, Y (presumably this 'n k' stands for 'not known', in that they hadn't decided on a name for the baby yet? However the age was in the male column so a boy child.) Regards, Michele -----Original Message----- From: Julie Robinson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 January 2006 01:32 To: [email protected] Subject: [NYorks] 1841 CENSUS WEST BURTON Hello List, Could anyone help me, please, in finding 1841 Census information for a JOHN HAMMELL, labourer (for probably all of his life, certainly 1851-1871).<snip>

----- Original Message ----- From: "Julie Robinson" <[email protected]> To: "john.hume" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [NYorks] Transportation > Hi John, > > Well, you might save some time if you don't look for trains in the period > you mention: 1680-1745. > Canals are another means of water transport but they, too, are as yet > nascent. There were always, pretty well, coastal "packets" plying here and > there, and certainly from Durham to London. Also, in time, colliers would > carry a few passengers besides the coal-handling crew members. But to get > from Durham to York at the time you speak of, I would pursue reading around > coaching and carting (think Barkis of "David Copperfield"). The poorest > always walked, as you mention, either carrying a bundle or swag on the end > of a pole comme aux Australiens, or maybe pushing a hand-cart. There are > some wonderful visual illustrations of all this and I bring to mind Sir > Hubert van Herkomer's evocative "Hard Times" (Manchester). It's not your > period neither is it your place but it tells us a lot about the foot-weary, > poor family. Of course, your people moving from Durham to York might not > have been "poor", in which case, certainly, the coach for them. > > I'm sure someone will suggest suitable histories of transport, or transport > in the 17th Century, or whatever, but I often find that, once the facts are > at hand, you'll get your best ideas from paintings and from novels. Of > course, the novel itself was is its infancy in the period you specify, but > people like Defoe and Fielding were roaming the countryside for various > reasons and have left us vivid word pictures of "fact" besides Fielding's > (in particular) own novels, e.g. "Tom Jones". > > Then there are "Reports into the State of xxxxx Turnpike" or similar. > You'll probably get these on the internet by googling. > > Hope this encourages, > Julie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "john.hume" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 6:01 PM > Subject: [NYorks] Transportation > > > > Hi Everyone, > > Off to the public library tomorrow to try and discover any book which may > help in defining how our ancestors travelled around the country from 1680 > onwards. Stagecoach, horse and cart, train and even Shanks's pony, therefore > the question is does anyone have any book titles which cover this topic. I'm > trying to find out how my family moved from Durham in 1680 down to York for > 1745. > > Many thanks > > regards > > John Morriss HUME > > Always looking for:-HUME plus > > ARCHER-Cradley Herts, 1840---BEAL(E) - Sheffield 1880 > > BROOKES-Rotherham > > BROGDEN - Collingham York 1851 > > 1860---BUCKLAND-Nottingham 1880 > > BURTON- Sheffield 1910---CARLTON-Sutton on Forest Yorks. 1730 > > CLARKE-Myton Hall, CHAMBERS, Rotherham 1880-1901 > > CLARK- Hull 1820, Yorks 1825---CROWSHAW- Sheffield 1910 > > HARGREAVES-West Yorks 1840---HARRISON-Nottingham 1760 > > HELMAN-London 1850---HOLIDAY-Kilvington York 1780 > > HUME- Lowestoft 1901--- > > LINCOLN-London 1850--- MEDD-SEAMER YORK 1901---McBRIDE- Rotherham 1850 > > SKELTON -York 1800---THEAKER- Sheffield 1910 > > STANLEY-West Hartlepool-1863 > > > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > > List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: > > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > > > ============================== > > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > > > >

Further to that the local pub the Mermaid used to have it's wall covered in photos from the First World War airfield. The place was re-furbished and the photos have gone. No-one seem to know where. Lancelot ------------------------------------------------------- Further to my earlier reply and also in respect of Lancelot's reply. I have spoken to a local historian friend of mine and he advises that the airfield buildings were taken over by ICI after WWII and used as storage sheds for palletised plastics. He knows because he was the ICI engineer responsible for the maintenance of the buildings! He also advises that a group of local enthusiasts is preparing a book for publication "imminently" that will include material about the airfield. regards, Peter Appleton

There was an old airfield that was used in the First World War. It's buildings were in Marske and used 'till not many years ago as an industrial site. The airfield would have extended towards Redcar. Lancelot Howard Barron MIDDLESBROUGH U.K LBarron Associates U.K Web Site http://www.barron40.fsnet.co.uk/New_Web/Page_1x.html

Hi Everyone, Off to the public library tomorrow to try and discover any book which may help in defining how our ancestors travelled around the country from 1680 onwards. Stagecoach, horse and cart, train and even Shanks's pony, therefore the question is does anyone have any book titles which cover this topic. I'm trying to find out how my family moved from Durham in 1680 down to York for 1745. Many thanks regards John Morriss HUME Always looking for:-HUME plus ARCHER-Cradley Herts, 1840---BEAL(E) - Sheffield 1880 BROOKES-Rotherham BROGDEN - Collingham York 1851 1860---BUCKLAND-Nottingham 1880 BURTON- Sheffield 1910---CARLTON-Sutton on Forest Yorks. 1730 CLARKE-Myton Hall, CHAMBERS, Rotherham 1880-1901 CLARK- Hull 1820, Yorks 1825---CROWSHAW- Sheffield 1910 HARGREAVES-West Yorks 1840---HARRISON-Nottingham 1760 HELMAN-London 1850---HOLIDAY-Kilvington York 1780 HUME- Lowestoft 1901--- LINCOLN-London 1850--- MEDD-SEAMER YORK 1901---McBRIDE- Rotherham 1850 SKELTON -York 1800---THEAKER- Sheffield 1910 STANLEY-West Hartlepool-1863

Linda, This is the 1881 census, Terry ---------------------------------------- Household: Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John MUDD Head M Male 48 Easby, York, England Weighman At Ironworks Eliza MUDD Wife M Female 48 Lane End, Stafford, England Eleanor MUDD Dau U Female 24 Middlesbrough, York, England Clerk At Post Office (CS) Charlotte MUDD Dau U Female 22 Middlesbrough, York, England Domestic Duties Emily MUDD Dau U Female 20 Middlesbrough, York, England Teacher George MUDD Son U Male 17 Middlesbrough, York, England Clerk Eliza MUDD Dau Female 8 Middlesbrough, York, England Scholar ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Source Information: Dwelling 10 Baxter St Census Place Linthorpe, York, England Family History Library Film 1342170 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 4857 / 31 Page Number 11 =================================== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Livingstone" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 5:37 AM Subject: [NYorks] Mudd > Hello List, > > I am now looking for John Mudd, born Easby, Richmond around 1833. Looking for siblings and parents. > > It is very strange that he is from another branch of the family. I have been looking for Thomas William Wade who is supposed to have been born there in 1840. Very strange > > Can anyone help, please? > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the ENG-NORTH-YORKS list, send the command "unsubscribe" to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Sue (and anyone else with an interest in the history of the East Cleveland area), An excellent source of local history publications is Guisborough Bookshop who have a presence on the web at: http://www.guisboroughbookshop.com. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- From: Sue Tomkins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 January 2006 12:56 To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [NYorks] The Stray, Redcar Many Thanks to Peter Appleton and Lancelot Barron for the information on the airfield. This is really fascinating and I will definitely keep a look out for the book. Thank you both again So, might Biddy Camp have been a part of the airfield or perhaps just a caravan site? Sue Tomkins ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from the ENG-NORTH-YORKS list, send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] (if in mail mode) or [email protected] (if in digest mode.) ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Sue, I don't recall a caravan park anywhere in the vicinity of the old airfield in my lifetime so I suspect the name probably does associate with the airfield. There was a camp on the opposite side of Marske (the east side between Marske and Saltburn) called Windy Hill. It was used between the wars by the Territorial Army (I have postcards that my grandfather sent to his wife and family when he was on annual camp there in the 1920s) The buildings survived into the post-WWII era. I know this because I myself went to Cub Camp there during the late 1950s. regards, Peter

Many Thanks to Peter Appleton and Lancelot Barron for the information on the airfield. This is really fascinating and I will definitely keep a look out for the book. Thank you both again So, might Biddy Camp have been a part of the airfield or perhaps just a caravan site? Sue Tomkins

Hi Sue, Further to my earlier reply and also in respect of Lancelot's reply. I have spoken to a local historian friend of mine and he advises that the airfield buildings were taken over by ICI after WWII and used as storage sheds for pelletised plastics. He knows because he was the ICI engineer responsible for the maintenance of the buildings! He also advises that a group of local enthusiasts is preparing a book for publication "imminently" that will include material about the airfield. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3

Hi Linda Here's John Mudd in 1871, 1861 and 1851: 1871 Class: RG10 Piece: 4896 Folio: 127 Page: 36 Schedule: 145 Civil Parish: St.Hilda's Municipal Borough: Middlesbrough Municipal Ward: Boundary Road Parliamentary Borough: Middlesbrough Village or hamlet: Old Newport Address: Station House John Mudd, Head, Married, 38, Traffic Manager Ironworks, Easby Yorkshire Eliza Mudd, Wife, Married, 38, , Lane End Staffordshire Eleanor Mudd, Daur, , 14, Scholar, Middlesbrough Yorkshire Charlotte Mudd, Daur, , 12, Scholar, Middlesbrough Yorkshire Emily Mudd, Daur, , 10, Scholar, Middlesbrough Yorkshire John M Mudd, Son, , 8, Scholar, Middlesbrough Yorkshire George Mudd, Son, , 7, Scholar, Newport Yorkshire Joseph Watson, Lodger, Married, 25, Station Master, Eaglescliffe Durham Margaret Watson, Wife, Married, 22, , Yarm Yorkshire 1861 Class: RG9 Piece: 3687 Folio: 77 Page: 54 Schedule: 243 Township: Middlesbrough Municipal Borough: Middlesbrough Address: Robinson's Buildings John Mudd, Head, Married, 28, Station Master, Easby Yorkshire Eliza Mudd, Wife, Married, 28, , Lane End Staffordshire Eleanor Mudd, Daur, , 4, , Middlesbrough Yorkshire Charlotte Mudd, Daur, , 2, , Middlesbrough Yorkshire Emily Mudd, Daur, , 7 months, , Middlesbrough Yorkshire William Schnider, Boarder, Unmarried, 27, Joiner & Cabinet Maker, Prussia James Jowsey, Boarder, Unmarried, 34, Tailor, Yorkshire Whitby 1851 Class: HO107 Piece: 2383 Folio: 269 Page: 33 Schedule: 129 Township: Middlesbrough Town: Middlesbrough Address: Durham Street John Mudd, Head, Married, 56, Farmer's Lab, Yorkshire Hilton (possibly Skelton) Charlotte Mudd, Wife, Married, 56, , Yorkshire Bilsdale John Mudd, Son, Unmarried, 18, Tailor's Apprentice, Yorkshire Easby Thomas Pratt, Visitor, Unmarried, 29, Farmer's Lab, Yorkshire Airsgath I also checked the BMD Index for John William Wade's marriage to Elizabeth. I could not find a likely match. There were none listed in any of the Cleveland area districts between 1860 and 1870. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- From: Linda Livingstone [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 January 2006 02:21 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYorks] Mudd Hi Peter, Would be kind enough to transcribe 1851,1861 and 1871 please. Very many thanks Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Appleton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [NYorks] Mudd > Linda, > > Have found your John Mudd in censuses as follows: > > 1851 - HO107/2383/269/33 Schedule 129 > 1861 - RG9/3687/77/54 Schedule 243 > 1871 - RG10/4896/127/36 Schedule 145 > 1881 - RG11/4857/31/11 > 1891 - not found, presumed deceased > > Which of these would you like transcribing? > > regards, > > Peter Appleton > > My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Livingstone [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 10 January 2006 05:38 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NYorks] Mudd > > Hello List, > > I am now looking for John Mudd, born Easby, Richmond around 1833. Looking > for siblings and parents. > > It is very strange that he is from another branch of the family. I have > been looking for Thomas William Wade who is supposed to have been born > there > in 1840. Very strange > > Can anyone help, please? > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the ENG-NORTH-YORKS list, send the command > "unsubscribe" > to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet > http://www.snopes.com/ > <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: Diana Boothe [email protected] ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

I wonder if anyone has any connections to High Cliff School, Scarbrough. It was founded in 1897 We have a copy of The High Cliffian Magazine for 1929 which was dedicated to Miss B Field Hall and Miss Ford who had retired in 1928. There is a copy in the archives of the Brotherton Library in Leeds. My mother in law attended this school and her sister and they are included in a list of names from from former pupils giving their news etc. May give both school and married surnames as well as locations but no dates of attendance. There is a picture of the school buildings and knowing scarborough a little I feel its location to be on the southern end area of the Esplanade I have been unable to locate it in the 1901 census. Any suggestions welcome Mark Andrew Halifax

Hi Peter, Would be kind enough to transcribe 1851,1861 and 1871 please. Very many thanks Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Appleton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [NYorks] Mudd > Linda, > > Have found your John Mudd in censuses as follows: > > 1851 - HO107/2383/269/33 Schedule 129 > 1861 - RG9/3687/77/54 Schedule 243 > 1871 - RG10/4896/127/36 Schedule 145 > 1881 - RG11/4857/31/11 > 1891 - not found, presumed deceased > > Which of these would you like transcribing? > > regards, > > Peter Appleton > > My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Linda Livingstone [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 10 January 2006 05:38 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [NYorks] Mudd > > Hello List, > > I am now looking for John Mudd, born Easby, Richmond around 1833. Looking > for siblings and parents. > > It is very strange that he is from another branch of the family. I have > been looking for Thomas William Wade who is supposed to have been born > there > in 1840. Very strange > > Can anyone help, please? > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from the ENG-NORTH-YORKS list, send the command > "unsubscribe" > to > [email protected] (if in mail mode) or > [email protected] (if in digest mode.) > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > > > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > Hoaxes and Urban Legends on the Internet > http://www.snopes.com/ > <A HREF="http://www.snopes.com/">Snopes.com</a> > > ============================== > Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. > New content added every business day. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx >

Hi Sue, There certainly was an airfield on the outskirts of Marske in the fields to the east of Green Lane and north of the railway line. I was born in 1950 in Saltburn and remember the hangar buildings standing when, as a child, I went by bus to Redcar. The modern housing estate, built on that land, has street names that reflect the aviation link e.g. Barnes Wallis Way, Spitfire Close, De Havilland Drive, etc. (Try using one of the street map websites to find these in Marske-by-the-sea. Their postcodes are in the TS11 7xx range). The history of aviation in the Marske-Redcar-Kirkleatham area goes back beyond WWII. When I was a university student at Hull, a friend found a reference to an airship station at Redcar and asked me if I knew anything about it. I didn't but it fired my enthusiasm. I did some research (instead of working towards my maths degree) using the university library facilities and confirmed that the Royal Naval Air Service (RNAS) had indeed established a station near Kirkleatham from which to fly airships on patrols out over the North Sea. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- From: Sue Tomkins [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 10 January 2006 19:09 To: [email protected] Subject: [NYorks] The Stray, Redcar Could anyone help me to find out about Biddy Camp, Green Lane ? I have received a death certificate, with that address on, for 1953. I know of Green Lane, the last? road in Redcar before travelling to Marske. Also, related to the fields along the Stray, did there used to be an airfield there in the 1950's ( a relative gave me the information). I can't find a map or any information about this. I was wondering if the "camp" was anything to do with an airfield. Any help much appreciated Sue Tomkins ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: Diana Boothe [email protected] ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

Thanks for the reply, Tracie. However it's definitely Redcar (near Middlesbrough) that is on the death certificate. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Tracie Geelan [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 11 January 2006 00:33 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [NYorks] The Stray, Redcar Hi Sue, There is a Green Lane in Harrogate, now at the top of the Rossett Area of the Town. the Stray is 250Acres of green Grassland in the Centre of Harrogate protected by Royal Charter. As green lane is very close to where the Ministry of Defence was situated (St. georges Road) in harrogate whcih was originally part of the Air Ministry, it is highly possible that there was an Airfield near there. Also ther was an ATC corp based there so again. a possibility. I suspect that there will be plenty of people on list who can accurately confirm this. I worked there from 1980 to 1991 and remember hearing regales from colleagues about an Airfield near the site. Regards Tracie