Hi Ailsa, Royal Oak is a village north west of Darlington, Co. Durham out towards Barnard Castle This area is alwlays confused between Yorkshire and Durham as the River Tees is the boundary and people around there do not bother with county names. I was born in Darlington and our garden went down to the River Tees and Yorkshire was on the other bank! I have not seen Royal Oak on a map but it does exist as a hamlet. Do you have any other information as I am visiting the area in May. Regards Linda Western Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailsa Petrie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 5:07 AM Subject: [NYorks] Royaloak, Yorkshire or Durham > Good morning, > > On two different census entries I have the birth of a person given as > "Royaloak". The 1881 census says "Royaloak, Yorkshire", while in 1891 it's > given as "Royaloak, Durham". The birth was about 1878. > > A modern map has given me nothing, nor has multimap. Can anyone tell me > where Royaloak may be, please? I wonder if it may be the name of a > property rather than a place, as the father was an ag.lab. > > Many thanks > Ailsa Petrie > Hamilton > New Zealand > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: > 18/01/2006 > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 >

Do any of you historians know of any connection between the N York village of Wintringham and the N Lincs village of Winteringham? equally I find lots of historic data on the village of Settrington (N Yorks) and the villages of Blackness and Faxfleet in N Lincs. Is there any connection historically? I ask because my family appear to have duel connections??!! Rob

Hi Roz, From the Kirkdale MI's published by the Cleveland Family History Society at:- http://www.clevelandfhs.org.uk/ Erected in the memory of Thomas Ellerby late of Salton who d 10 Sept 1825 aged 74 years. Also Ralph Ellerby of Salton who departed this life 27 Sep 1830 aged 75 yrs. This does not look like your names, but they look like there may be a connection. Also:- In memory of Christopher Ellerby of Whitwell in this county who departed this life 16 July 1847 aged 48 years. Also of Elizabeth his wife who died 20 Jan 1860 aged 63 years. I looked in the Salton MI's published by the East Riding of Yorkshire FHS at:- http://www.eyfhs.org.uk/ Unfortunately did not find any possibles. Regards Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]>> I am trying to locate a baptism and marriage in Nunnington for an Ann(e) > KAY, born sometime between about 1755 & 1770. She married Ralph Ellerby > of > Kirkdale in 1794. I am trying to establish whether this couple had any > children > in Kirkdale other than Thomas (1797) and Christopher (1799), whether Ann > died > shortly thereafter, and whether it was the same Ralph who subsequently > married a Hannah Blenkhorne in 1802.

Hi list I am currently researching the above names, many in Egton in the 1700's and then around Hinderwell and Skelton in the 1800's. I will be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Roger D Gill West Yorks

Ailsa, Using Oldmaps (www.old-maps.co.uk), its ability to call up a modern map, and the Ordnance Survey Atlas of Great Britain: Royal Oak, Co Durham: on the B6275 (Dere Stree), north of Piercebrige, where the A68 crosses. Royal Oak, Yorkshire: a level crossing where the railway from Bridlington to Filey crosses the A165. The former seems more likely. Hope this helps. Jim Balmer Website: freespace.virgin.net/jim.balmer

I am sure there is a Royal Oak near to Darlington in County Durham I can remember passing it some years back. hope this helps Stephen Northumberland. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailsa Petrie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 9:07 PM Subject: [NYorks] Royaloak, Yorkshire or Durham > Good morning, > > On two different census entries I have the birth of a person given as > "Royaloak". The 1881 census says "Royaloak, Yorkshire", while in 1891 it's > given as "Royaloak, Durham". The birth was about 1878. > > A modern map has given me nothing, nor has multimap. Can anyone tell me > where Royaloak may be, please? I wonder if it may be the name of a > property rather than a place, as the father was an ag.lab. > > Many thanks > Ailsa Petrie > Hamilton > New Zealand > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: > 18/01/2006 > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors > at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: > http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&targetid=5429 > >

Hi Ailsa, Try searching on "www.streetmap.co.uk" using the search terms "Royal Oak" (two words and minus the quotes) as a GB place. There are several including one in North Yorkshire (near Scarborough) and one in County Durham. Also note that "Royal Oak" is a popular name for a pub or inn. So it could be a "house" name. regards, Peter Appleton My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3 -----Original Message----- From: Ailsa Petrie [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 18 January 2006 21:07 To: [email protected] Subject: [NYorks] Royaloak, Yorkshire or Durham Good morning, On two different census entries I have the birth of a person given as "Royaloak". The 1881 census says "Royaloak, Yorkshire", while in 1891 it's given as "Royaloak, Durham". The birth was about 1878. A modern map has given me nothing, nor has multimap. Can anyone tell me where Royaloak may be, please? I wonder if it may be the name of a property rather than a place, as the father was an ag.lab. Many thanks Ailsa Petrie Hamilton New Zealand -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: Diana Boothe [email protected] ============================== New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429

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Hi everyone, I have a side-shoot individual who appears in 1851 census as an 18 year old single male and then is heard of no more until 1881 census when he re-appears married and with family. I'm trying to identify possible avenues for research to fill in the big gap in his life. My starting point is to understand possible reasons for his absence from two consecutive censuses. Is there a list member who can give me answers to any of the following questions? (N.B. The time period in question is from 1850-1880) If an individual was serving abroad in the army, would he appear in the UK census? If an individual was in the Royal Navy and was aboard ship, would he appear in the UK census? If an individual was a merchant seaman aboard ship, would he appear in the UK census? In the case of the two naval questions: Would it make any difference if his ship was in a UK port, in transit at sea or in an overseas port? Apart from army/navy service, is there any other reason that fellow listers can think of as to why an individual would be missing from two consecutive censuses? Do the Ancestry.co.uk census indexes include all land-based institutions (e.g. prisons, army barracks, naval shore establishments, etc.)? regards, Peter Appleton Researching the following surnames: Yorkshire (North Riding): APPLETON, BOWERS, COCKERILL, EVANS, FAWCETT, LEGG/LEGGE, MASON Norfolk: BOWERS, BRUNDLE, CALVER/CARVER, MULLENGER/MULLINGER, WOODS Cornwall: ANNEAR Lincolnshire: HOWSAM Suffolk: MATTHEWS Westmorland: MASON My Family Tree website: http:/www.tribalpages.com/tribes/pappleton3

Hi Janice, Tnak you for the offer. Any help would be gratefully received. I am trying to locate a baptism and marriage in Nunnington for an Ann(e) KAY, born sometime between about 1755 & 1770. She married Ralph Ellerby of Kirkdale in 1794. I am trying to establish whether this couple had any children in Kirkdale other than Thomas (1797) and Christopher (1799), whether Ann died shortly thereafter, and whether it was the same Ralph who subsequently married a Hannah Blenkhorne in 1802. Any ELLERBY references for Kirkdale, Nunnington or Salton would be of interest. Many thanks. Best wishes, Roz

Hi Ailsa: I am wondering if Royaloak is the name of a house. I have a very detailed road atlas and do not see it listed as a place. I had the same problem some years ago trying to find a village called Bainwood--it turned out to be the name of the house. Good Luck, Joan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ailsa Petrie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: [NYorks] Royaloak, Yorkshire or Durham > Good morning, > > On two different census entries I have the birth of a person given as > "Royaloak". The 1881 census says "Royaloak, Yorkshire", while in 1891 > it's given as "Royaloak, Durham". The birth was about 1878. > > A modern map has given me nothing, nor has multimap. Can anyone tell me > where Royaloak may be, please? I wonder if it may be the name of a > property rather than a place, as the father was an ag.lab. > > Many thanks > Ailsa Petrie > Hamilton > New Zealand > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.20/234 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 > > > ==== ENG-NORTH-YORKS Mailing List ==== > List Mom for ENG-NORTH-YORKS-L: > Diana Boothe [email protected] > > ============================== > New! Family Tree Maker 2005. Build your tree and search for your ancestors at the same time. Share your tree with family and friends. Learn more: http://landing.ancestry.com/familytreemaker/2005/tour.aspx?sourceid=14599&ta rgetid=5429 > >

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Hello Dotty-there are/were Outhwaite's in Hull up to mid 1950s.Believe my late stepmother's brothers are possibly in the area ofBrighton-or some such area close by.Jean

Hi Mary, My husband's gg.grandmother is Mary Ann HOLMES, who lived at Bilsdale/Hawnby/Snilesworth. Not miners, but I am not sure if this family is connected to those HOLMES who were in Bilsdale 50 years earlier, - Mary Ann's father was born in Nesfield, in the parish of Ilkley, in the West Riding of Yorkshire. He was a gamekeeper, back in Ilkley and in Snilesworth, so it is most likely to have been work that took him there, but he may have gone there because of family. If you find any connection, I would be interested. Regards, Janice Wood www.btinternet.com/~jansfamily/ www.yorkshireancestors.com www.ryedalefamilyhistory.org in North Yorkshire Researching: BANKS, BEALL, BULMER, CALVERT, COCKERILL, FISHER, FOX, FOXTON, GARBUT, HARRISON, HAWKINS, HOLYDAY, HURD, KIRK, LOWTHER, MATTISON, NAWTON, PATTISON, PICKARD, PICKERING, POTTER, SCAIFE, SHOUT, SIMPSON, SKILBECK, STAINTHORPE, STONEHOUSE, THOMPSON, TRENHOLM(E), WARRINER, WEATHERILL, WEDGEWOOD, WILSON, and WOOD. > Hi > Many people have coal miners on the North Yorkshire Moors in their tree > and I wondered if anybody could help me. William Holmes m Jane Hornby in > Helmsley 20 Feb 1808. He was a collier in Bilsdale. I can go no further. > Many Holmes lived & worked a Coal miners but I cannot connect them all > together. > Any Ideas > Mary Lamport >

Thank you to Mary and Karen for the information on where to obtain a copy of the Bilsdale survey. Michele

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Hi Joan, I had a look in my MI's for Pickering & Middleton near Pickering, both published by the East Yorkshire Family History Society, unfortunately your chap was not listed. Regards Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Mercer" <[email protected]> > > I am wondering if someone would have the cemetary transcriptions for the > area around Pickering/ Newton on Rawclife/Stape. > > I am trying to find out where my great great grandfather John Pickering is > buried. He died July 25, 1872 at Undercliffe, Pickering at the age of > approximately 52. He was the husband of Bessie Ann (nee Robson). >

Hi Mary, Many thanks for the information, the documents you mention sound like something I should look into further. For information to others on the list I purchased my copy of the Bilsdale surveys from Northallerton records office a few years ago now. It might be worth enquiring with them if they have any copies left. Cheers Karen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Lamport" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: [NYorks] Miners etc > Hi, > In answer to the ones who asked these questions > The Scarborough Library sent me a copy of Ryedale Historian 4 Pages 55-63 > 1969 from an article by Arthur H. Whitaker `Coal Mining in Bransdale & > Farndale in the 18th Cent.` It is an essay based almost entirely on the > original documents deposited by the late Earl of Feversham in > NorthallertonArchives Cat No 2EW 262 & 230 > I also copied some information ( I think from Leeds Library) from `The > North Yorks Moor Landscape Heritage` It does say that` miners burrowed to > wrest a living in conditions which beggar description` > Bilsdale Survey1687-1851 which is the census > North Yorkshire County Record Office Publication No 23 Jan 1980 > I bought it at a Family History Fair so not sure is in print.I will be > happy to look up any names up for anybody. > The first dated 1637 is a Survey of Bilsdale George Earle of Rutland who > must have owned the land then. eg

Hi All, many thanks to all of you who replied regarding the 11 lost days, I appreciate it. best regards John Morriss HUME Always looking for:-HUME plus ARCHER-Cradley Herts, 1840---BEAL(E) - Sheffield 1880 BROOKES-Rotherham BROGDEN - Collingham York 1851 1860---BUCKLAND-Nottingham 1880 BURTON- Sheffield 1910---CARLTON-Sutton on Forest Yorks. 1730 CLARKE-Myton Hall, CLARK- Hull 1820, Yorks 1825---CROWSHAW- Sheffield 1910 HARGREAVES-West Yorks 1840---HARRISON-Nottingham 1760 HELMAN-London 1850---HOLIDAY-Kilvington York 1780 HUME- Lowestoft 1901--- LINCOLN-London 1850--- MEDD-SEAMER YORK 1901---McBRIDE- Rotherham 1850 SKELTON -York 1800---THEAKER- Sheffield 1910 STANLEY-West Hartlepool-1863